Good job there just wanted to inform users about spam Pm I just got one from a user http://painandsuffering.newgrounds.com/ I blocked him and I'm annoyed about spam like this Malachy made a thread about it. Funny after I posted some other users had the same PM. I'm keeping a close eye on Chris Beer latest account I flagged the 10 review and it got deleted here is his account http://crbzk.newgrounds.com/. This guy must have loads of alts.

So I hear the NG Department of Defense is good for having an EGB-DOD Liaison?

Anyone interested in the position should PM me. Looking for experienced members belonging to both clubs. Job will be to encourage cross-club activity, especially in regards to whistling stolen/unsuitable flash.

And yes, Chris Beer is back. To constantly re-create accounts over and over shows just how little of a life he's got. Don't let it bug you, the inevitable will happen eventually.

In other news, I'm looking to increase the EGB's membership with active and intelligent users who may not know about the Barracks (or NGPD, or maybe even the BBS). If you see anyone with the requisite stats...or even if they're missing the whistle but otherwise okay...PM me a link so I can check them out and maybe talk to them about the Barracks. I sweep the blog pages fairly often, but Private+ users make up maybe 1% of the NG population, maybe less, so it's not easy to find them.

At 5/15/09 11:37 PM, SlashFirestorm wrote: So I hear the NG Department of Defense is good for having an EGB-DOD Liaison?

Anyone interested in the position should PM me. Looking for experienced members belonging to both clubs. Job will be to encourage cross-club activity, especially in regards to whistling stolen/unsuitable flash.

Not to rain on your parade (again?) Slash but there's something else I'm going to mention about the future of the NGDD. There's a new NGDD System coming out hopefully soon and it has a new application system to it. Meaning, every current member of the NGDD will be kicked out and have to go through the new application process. So if there were to be a EGB-DOD Liaison now that person would have to be removed from the position once the New NGDD System (The LD System, not the New-NGDD System) is released under NGDD orders.

At 5/15/09 11:50 PM, DarkSoldier wrote: Not to rain on your parade (again?) Slash but there's something else I'm going to mention about the future of the NGDD. There's a new NGDD System coming out hopefully soon and it has a new application system to it. Meaning, every current member of the NGDD will be kicked out and have to go through the new application process. So if there were to be a EGB-DOD Liaison now that person would have to be removed from the position once the New NGDD System (The LD System, not the New-NGDD System) is released under NGDD orders.

Raining bastard, lol. OKAY FINE EVERYONE WAIT SOME MORE.

In other news, I have locked the review reporting thread in the EGB forums, at least for the time being. I'm starting to become a little less sure that such a thread is a good idea. The potential for incorrect flagging (and thus wasting mods' time) is one of the reasons; that most reviews have a degree of ambiguousness in whether or not they're abusive is another.

And while I encourage all EGB members to flag reviews that they believe are abusive, the idea of swarming reviews (which, unlike stolen flashes, can't have evidence other than "I'm pretty sure it's abusive") is a little too close to mass-voting for me to be comfortable.

If the thread is re-opened, it will only deal with the most obvious of the obvious, which all mods would deem abusive---link spam, death threats, claims of theft. For now, though, it's locked until further notice.

On that note, the idea of a Review Violations Officer isn't really needed, what with Coop83 being a mod and handling it just fine. This does not change the Bronze requirement for Barracks membership, though---in fact, I think a Newgrounder getting a Bronze whistle on their own, without a "here's some abusive reviews" thread to guide them, is more impressive.

At 5/16/09 12:01 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: In other news, I have locked the review reporting thread in the EGB forums, at least for the time being. I'm starting to become a little less sure that such a thread is a good idea. The potential for incorrect flagging (and thus wasting mods' time) is one of the reasons; that most reviews have a degree of ambiguousness in whether or not they're abusive is another.

I do see your point - it is very easy to get carried away on the "borderline" reviews, and then have a lot of people leech the list and whistle those that are too close to call. The whistle concept was designed to help the mods locate unacceptable flashes and reviews and remove them from NewGrounds. In theory, if everyone paid attention to what is abusive versus useless, then the mods would only get notified of those violators that need to be removed.

IMHO, I think that the general caliber of EGB members present a level of maturity that can handle whistling truly abusive reviews - but only if they stick to very strict guidelines that avoid gray areas, such as:

- Low scoring reviews that say BLAM this, curse the author or are offensive, and contain NO reference to the flash at hand. Example: "Blam this crap!" is abusive. But "The artwork sucked, surprised it wasn't blammed" is not.

- Reviews made up of long spam strings, ascii images or nonsense words that mean nothing are abusive.

- Reviews that promote other websites or programs and have nothing to do with the flash at hand.

...etc...

If we had a condensed and defined set of rules - no more than 10 - with explicit examples, and agreed that to whistle a flash, it must clearly violate these rules, no grey areas. If in doubt, leave it out. EGB members who wanted to add to the abusive reviews list would then have no reason to post borderline reviews. Also, instead of providing a link to a page and saying "a ton here", each one needs to be explicitly linked as to avoid confusion.

Assuming we could work all of this out, there is still the matter of your concern that this fosters "mass voting". Again, I can see and understand your point, but IMHO isn't it our purpose to help clean up the junk from Newgrounds? - and if a member finds something truly abusive, then we should act on it. If we don't, then what do we wait for? We're on the side of good, trying to help things here. We're not mass voters or completely ignorant stat whores that don't care what passes. We are the guard - and as the guard, we work together as a team - and we work well together at that.

I am not, for even a second, trying to undermine your authority here, Slash. Your word is law, and that's not being argued. All I am saying is that those of us under you are on your side, and want to do the right thing - and with the right amount of clarity, we can. The BBS on the "z4.invisionfree" site is mainly for our use. It's not as visible as the forums on Newgrounds. Oh, I am sure a handful of non-EGBers are trolling it, but the bulk of the NG community doesn't even know it exists.

So as long as we keep our house in order, I think the Abusive Review thread was doing more good than harm. But again, that's just my opinion, sir!

*Salutes*
(and then gets off his high horse)

Just a heads up for you guys-

Keep an eye on things that look like tutorials. Spammers are making fake tutorials that will surely get passed by lazy statwhores that 2 anything that they think is gonna pass.

At 5/16/09 09:27 PM, BenwaHakubi wrote: Just a heads up for you guys-

Keep an eye on things that look like tutorials. Spammers are making fake tutorials that will surely get passed by lazy statwhores that 2 anything that they think is gonna pass.

you are kinda late for this... spammer have been doing this for a couple months now...

small post.. damn... i hate them

guys, i know everyone is very busy with RL and everything but... the barracks have been very dead lately, i have notice that the last pages the we only talk about spam and stolen, no there are no real conversations (expect for a couple 'hi, how's everyone?')

i know there is not much to talk about, but if we compare our club (i know... compare is not good, but...) with the NGPD, we are like total opposite, they talk about anything (maybe too much 'anything', some users are almost getting to the 'post +1'...) and we are totally quiet... and we are 'basically' the same, i just see it a little funny you know

P.S. i'm not accusing anyone... but when i say thing like this... it usually sounds like i were, sorry, i'm very direct. i hope i didn't make any NGPD get mad or take it personally

At 5/16/09 10:01 PM, aldlv wrote:

P.S. i'm not accusing anyone... but when i say thing like this... it usually sounds like i were, sorry, i'm very direct. i hope i didn't make any NGPD get mad or take it personally

Nah, it's good. At the NGPD we know it's more relaxed and we all think it's just a better idea to have a more relaxed atmosphere. Posts like that, in my opinion at least, are not just +1

Just a heads up, I'll be getting private in a few days and I'll probably apply for membership in this club. I know I have a garbage whistle, but I had a silver and due to an 'incident' a while back that I talked to Wade about I'm deep in the garbage hole, I think. There should be a system to track points :X

I do try to make sure that not all my posts are based on reporting spam etc aldv. It has been more quiet in here then say January but its maybe the time of year. I have noticed in NGPD its more informal but then I remember the warning from Malachy, and how there were lots of fights about who should lead. I'm sad but I love to talk about what's going on in Newgrounds I to try to chat to people but your idea about maybe saying other thing like when Idiot-Finder talks about Baseball. I don't have much idea about sports but its a good idea to keep other topics going. I just like to keep up to date with the portal.

Just a heads up, I'll be getting private in a few days and I'll probably apply for membership in this club. I know I have a garbage whistle, but I had a silver and due to an 'incident' a while back that I talked to Wade about I'm deep in the garbage hole, I think. There should be a system to track points :X

Cool look forward to you joining read SlashFirestorm thread how to confess I really miss the old Rages's thread feel like someone got rid of a friend .I loved that thread of course it had problems but the end was a major shock WI/HT so quiet these days wish another would open not going to happen though.

At 5/16/09 10:40 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: Cool look forward to you joining read SlashFirestorm thread how to confess I really miss the old Rages's thread feel like someone got rid of a friend .I loved that thread of course it had problems but the end was a major shock WI/HT so quiet these days wish another would open not going to happen though.

Those were the good-old days :)

I posted so much in that thread, it's a sin I have a garbage whistle right now. And yea, I hardly visit the Wi/Ht now that it's so quiet. I still think that a thread like that should exist, but I can see how it was getting out of control.

big ol' list I posted a while back in Rage's.

big ol' list I posted a while back in Rage's.

Yes the long lists what epic times I had posting in that thread but it did have problems Stat whores only wanting the gold whistle. Non abusive review etc. Still the end was not something I could predict till Wade posted that message. gumOnShoe said the last four months but I did not notice any other changes apart from the ones which had always been there.

At 5/16/09 10:01 PM, aldlv wrote: guys, i know everyone is very busy with RL and everything but... the barracks have been very dead lately

I've noticed that too but it's not wrong at all (after all, we're still flagging stolen stuff and doing the things we have to do).

I've been lurking a lot lately without actually posting. I read threads but I don't feel the motivation to post, I've been making three or even less post per day lately. However that doesn't mean I'm not around checking stuff out. ;)

At 5/16/09 10:14 PM, X-TERRORIST-X wrote:

At 5/16/09 10:01 PM, aldlv wrote:

P.S. i'm not accusing anyone... but when i say thing like this... it usually sounds like i were, sorry, i'm very direct. i hope i didn't make any NGPD get mad or take it personally

Nah, it's good. At the NGPD we know it's more relaxed and we all think it's just a better idea to have a more relaxed atmosphere. Posts like that, in my opinion at least, are not just +1

They are not always +1 posts, but sometimes the NGPD thread has gone a bit off topic. This thread, on the other hand, is the opposite, I think aldlv is proposing more of a "gray" area here (not to strict, not too off topic).

Just a heads up, I'll be getting private in a few days and I'll probably apply for membership in this club. I know I have a garbage whistle, but I had a silver and due to an 'incident' a while back that I talked to Wade about I'm deep in the garbage hole, I think. There should be a system to track points :X

It's always good to know new people want to join. By the way, can I ask what that "incident" was?

At 5/16/09 10:56 PM, Ismael92 wrote: By the way, can I ask what that "incident" was?

Sure.

I had a whole blog detailing it, but I deleted it for some reason because I was an idiot.

Luckily, one of my friends who had the same problem made a thread about it that got a few pages. It's annoying because they tried to act like nothing happened, when it obviously did. I have a bunch of PM's from people who had the same problem. I think a mod just went awol for a day and cleared a shit-load of abusive reviews, but who knows.

related

At 5/16/09 10:56 PM, Ismael92 wrote:

At 5/16/09 10:14 PM, X-TERRORIST-X wrote:

At 5/16/09 10:01 PM, aldlv wrote:

P.S. i'm not accusing anyone... but when i say thing like this... it usually sounds like i were, sorry, i'm very direct. i hope i didn't make any NGPD get mad or take it personally

Nah, it's good. At the NGPD we know it's more relaxed and we all think it's just a better idea to have a more relaxed atmosphere. Posts like that, in my opinion at least, are not just +1

that's why I 'italic' almost... they aren't +1... but kinda out of topic, yes... (sorry... i am very exigent on what a 'decent' post is...)

Even i make a few +1, I accept it... but i only make them in the 'Lvl up Lounge', because there is nothing much to add... but i try to make it at least 2 lines, putting the achievement and adding some comment

They are not always +1 posts, but sometimes the NGPD thread has gone a bit off topic. This thread, on the other hand, is the opposite, I think aldlv is proposing more of a "gray" area here (not to strict, not too off topic).

gray area... exactly...
thanx
that's what i meant

Just a heads up, I'll be getting private in a few days and I'll probably apply for membership in this club. I know I have a garbage whistle, but I had a silver and due to an 'incident' a while back that I talked to Wade about I'm deep in the garbage hole, I think. There should be a system to track points i

yes... without rage's gift... is almost 'Epic' to get Bronze, imagine Deity

It's always good to know new people want to join. By the way, can I ask what that "incident" was?

Is just a small thing, don't worry... just focus on the STOLEN flash more than review... i know they are hard to find, and are very few... but they give you a lot more... that's what i would do in your situation
good luck man...

good old good time

now, i don't feel like the new guy on Ng... finally an 'old time' I remember

Quiet enough in here, I suppose some people like myself may be wrapped up in exams or work and whatnot, hopefully things will pick up over the summer.

At 5/17/09 06:13 AM, Lizzardis wrote:

I appreciate your concerns dude, but really, you've misread the issue a little bit. In terms of going off-topic, we aren't really as strict as you might imagine, in fact, as long as the place isn't being treated as a +1 chat thread/lounge 24/7 you can pretty much talk about whatever you'd like. Of course it's advisable and desirable to keep the topic of discussion related to the Portal, after all, that's why we're here, but don't be afraid to start talking about something else for fear of being chastised for it. Hell, recently I think we had 3 discussions regarding exams, sports and Transformer the mod in the space of 2 pages.

I know we come off as being "official" and whatnot, but hey, that's half the fun of what EagleRock started all those years ago, and really I think we are rather relaxed and nice, regardless of how cold and monotonous our posts in here may seem. If we didn't enjoy being part of the Barracks, we'd just quit lol. So yeah, as long as it's not a consistent habit or plain spamming feel free to turn the topic of conversation to non-NG matters. In fact, some of you may be aware that very soon after I found out my mother died last September (literally 20 mins later) I posted to that effect here, because I knew that I could rely on this place which has made me feel so welcome to lend me a kind thought or two.

As for being intimidating, I suppose with all the high level users in here it's unavoidable, and I myself was rather intimidated by the place at first. Once you spend some time here though, you learn differently, and find that we're all just nice guys and gals coming together to achieve something as a group. I guess some people might be put off by the place because they think (possibly from experiences in places like General) that if they make a mistake or post something dumb that they'll be flamed or met with a barrage of "STFU noob". Thankfully, we are all more mature than that here.

Basically Lizz, don't work yourself up over nothing man, don't try and analyze everything you post here for fear that you will be attacked over it. Of course put care and attention into your posting, but relax and enjoy yourself too. Finally, don't worry about anyone "ripping your head off" for going off-topic, as long as it doesn't become a +1 or spam convo, it's ok, and even then Slash or one of the other higher-ups would just politely ask you to stop. The only head-ripping we'd expect to see around here would be by Slash for someone doing something REALLY bad, like using an alt to submit virus-infected flashes or something, and even then it might just be a simple "Get out now".

So basically Lizz, enjoy yourself here :)

In regards to points and whistle levels, I really don't want that to be the focus of our anti-abuse work. Yeah, it's harder to get your whistle up when you're single-handedly marking a review that may not get noticed for years unless someone else stumbles across it, but it also prevents incorrect mass-flagging, which can bring a non-abusive or ambiguous review to the top of a review mod's attention and waste their time (as well as cost lots of well-meaning people their whistles if they're wrong).

It's not impossible to get your whistle up without a target thread. Plenty of people had Silver Whistles (the highest level realistically possible) before Rage's thread existed, and maybe it's just my imagination, but the number of Garbage Whistles I've seen around Newgrounds seems to have exploded since its creation. I remember a time when the odds of finding a Garbage wielder was tiny, and now I see several every time I sweep the recent blog page.

Well, I think I will open up the abusive review thread again, but indeed, ONLY for the obvious of the obvious. I will give specific examples there of what that constitutes (again, namely accusations of theft, link spam, death threats). And the new rule is that posts should be deleted after cleared, rather than edited---that way we have an accurate date on all posts. I forget it y'all can delete your own posts, but if not, I can.

Handling that obvious abuse takes away the degree of ambiguity in some of the reviews that flutter between useless and abusive (indeed, remember that review mods, like BBS mods, have different opinions on where the line is) and stop it from being a risky, possibly harmful waste of time.

Of course, all members are still encouraged to whistle any reviews they believe are abusive. It may take a while to get dealt with if it isn't on a popular submission, but getting those points isn't the goal. At least it isn't the goal for the mission of the Barracks.

As for the Barracks being less casual than the NGPD, people are free to talk about non-Newgrounds related stuff. It's only when we have whole pages of back-and-forth about sports or whatever that I'll ask the participants to take it to the forums, or stop everyone if we get one-liner spammishness.

I'll say this, though. If the Barracks ever had the kind of posting that was in the NGPD when Mal gave them the warning, those people would be told to stop and possibly kicked out if they continued. There's a difference between off-topic and pointless, and I will certainly inform people if they cross the line.

Incidentally, with flash submissions like this, I would like to say, once again, that I would love to see Portal mods capable of punishing authors who write such abusive author comments. I have not yet formed an opinion on whether not I'd favor flaggable review responses.

Also, I have deleted the Whistle Improvement Project Reborn thread. The Abusive Review Investigation thread handles its power-up purpose, and the new Hall of Achievement thread lists all Barracks members who have Deity Whistles (and those who are Supreme Commanders).

If you rank up to EGSC or Deity, post it here (so we can congratulate you) and there (so I can add you to the lists).

At 5/17/09 06:13 AM, Lizzardis wrote: Your quite intimidating.

High level users can be intimidating... Hopefully I'm not one of them :D
But seriously, if you want to talk about something, feel free to do it! Don't be afraid of starting a conversation :)

Maybe if you all just relaxed a little more people may join for starters, but they also might just bob in for a little chat, ask some questions without being bombarded with serious and very very long answers.

But if someone wants to know something, the least we can do is giving him/here a serious and detailed response :/

I would like to stat some conversations sometimes with you guys, but I feel I'll get my head ripped off for it being 'too off topic' and the incident with Malachy in the NGPD, apparently he said he was joking with me and that the way we were going the thread was not going to get locked....I think.

As I said, don't be afraid of starting a conversation! And about what happened with Malachy, I don't think it was a joke. Things at the NGPD got out of hand and it was time for someone to intervene, or the thread would have been locked.

At 5/17/09 09:35 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: Well, I think I will open up the abusive review thread again, but indeed, ONLY for the obvious of the obvious.

Something similar to what's happened in the NGPD. Less "I think" and more "I know".

At 5/17/09 10:37 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: Also, I have deleted the Whistle Improvement Project Reborn thread. The Abusive Review Investigation thread handles its power-up purpose, and the new Hall of Achievement thread lists all Barracks members who have Deity Whistles (and those who are Supreme Commanders).

If you rank up to EGSC or Deity, post it here (so we can congratulate you) and there (so I can add you to the lists).

That's a good idea! Hopefully people will feel more motivated to get the deity whistle and the EGSC rank. One day, my name will be on the list of list of Supreme Commanders...

At 5/17/09 06:13 AM, Lizzardis wrote: You know....Just relax a bit.

sure... sounds pretty easy to do
*trying to relax*
*images coming to mi mind... the spam is coming to the portal, i took my blam rifle, and start shooting... we defeat the first wave, but now they are more coming and have started raining, we continue shooting the next wave, then i heard another barrack member getting shoot and screaming, someone is getting to him to help, but i difficult to see how they are...
we hear some sirens, the NGPD is here, now is time to finish this...*

ok... is not as easy to relax as i though
but i will continue trying
XD

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At 5/17/09 10:37 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: If you rank up to EGSC or Deity, post it here (so we can congratulate you) and there (so I can add you to the lists).

sup... i always liked that list... i thing i made almost the impossible to enter with the deity, as the image on my last post, i used to find large lists of abusives... the good times
now i'm about 3K away for getting the other achievement

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At 5/17/09 12:33 PM, Ismael92 wrote:

At 5/17/09 06:13 AM, Lizzardis wrote: Your quite intimidating.

i don't feel like that... well... not really, most of the time i don't
...
*checking my latest post*
no... i don't think i'm one of those old user that are intimidating... i don't feel old neither

High level users can be intimidating... Hopefully I'm not one of them :D
But seriously, if you want to talk about something, feel free to do it! Don't be afraid of starting a conversation :)

nah... you aren't
=D

Maybe if you all just relaxed a little more people may join for starters, but they also might just bob in for a little chat, ask some questions without being bombarded with serious and very very long answers.

But if someone wants to know something, the least we can do is giving him/here a serious and detailed response :/

well i think all this have to do with the "act like the army"... this conduct have changed between since a long time ago... but we continue acting like that to new candidates

At 5/17/09 10:37 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote:

That's a good idea! Hopefully people will feel more motivated to get the deity whistle and the EGSC rank. One day, my name will be on the list of list of Supreme Commanders...

i think i will get it before you
byteslinger will got it first, then Corky52... and then I
Have been like 2 year of entire dedication... i can't handle that level anymore... after i get SC, my phase will slow down very much

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At 5/17/09 08:04 AM, RohantheBarbarian wrote: Quiet enough in here, I suppose some people like myself may be wrapped up in exams or work and whatnot, hopefully things will pick up over the summer.

kinda... but after my post... everyones came posting, pretty cool
it had the effect i wanted =D

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At 5/17/09 01:50 PM, Lizzardis wrote: So, yeah*Afraid to start a conversation, shaking with fear* H-h-how is e-e-everyone?

pretty cool, thanx for asking =D

hey... i have been thinking on this for a while
i think slash is the one that can answer it better
did anyone ever draw the barracks? I mean... did some made a drawing about how the barracks were... or a drawing of barracks members (you know... like EagleRock, Phamtom and you holding rifle or something?)

At 5/17/09 01:50 PM, Lizzardis wrote: So, yeah*Afraid to start a conversation, shaking with fear* H-h-how is e-e-everyone?

STFU N00B!
j/k obviously :D
I'm fine, I've been playing Counter Strike a lot today... Actually I play everyday to get better at it >:D

At 5/17/09 03:06 PM, aldlv wrote:

At 5/17/09 12:33 PM, Ismael92 wrote: High level users can be intimidating... Hopefully I'm not one of them :D
But seriously, if you want to talk about something, feel free to do it! Don't be afraid of starting a conversation :)

nah... you aren't

I actually know I'm not one of them, I don't know why I wrote "hopefully" :/

after i get SC, my phase will slow down very much

* pace

hey... i have been thinking on this for a while
i think slash is the one that can answer it better
did anyone ever draw the barracks? I mean... did some made a drawing about how the barracks were... or a drawing of barracks members (you know... like EagleRock, Phamtom and you holding rifle or something?)

I never made a drawing, but NEVR posted this funny pic on page 931:

At 5/17/09 04:04 PM, Ismael92 wrote:

At 5/17/09 03:06 PM, aldlv wrote: after i get SC, my phase will slow down very much

* pace

sorry... i always forget this one
pace...
paso

hey... i have been thinking on this for a while
i think slash is the one that can answer it better
did anyone ever draw the barracks? I mean... did some made a drawing about how the barracks were... or a drawing of barracks members (you know... like EagleRock, Phamtom and you holding rifle or something?)

and talking about Typos... crap... Phantom, sir sorry, really sorry i was writing very fast,
yes i'm an stupid idiot that don't know how to write phantom...

fantasma... =D

I never made a drawing, but NEVR posted this funny pic on page 931:

I remember this one... the EGB Rooster XD
our new mascot at that moment (Joshiwa idea)
I never knew how to write it until then...

part of the difficulties of now speaking the language

so there is no images about 'us'?... right?
:| ... :) ... :D ...

Well, I think that thread should be closed, the Review thread in the forums.
Ignoring some abusive review styles but then recognizing others is odd. Why not obey all the guaranteed-abusive possibilities? The NG FAQ is here for a reason.
I personally won't visit it anymore, since it's purposeless now.

Yes I made that little spelling error I used Roaster instead of Roster it was so funny that picture NEVR made shame he is no longer here and Joshiwa as well. That was written 11 months ago does the time not fly by. Its gone so quick this year.
KrevZabijak do you mean The Rages's thread? it got locked way back in January or RRC Review request club. http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/7426 4/1649 And gumOnShoe wonder if it will ever get unlocked?. Chris Beer flash has all got blammed his account still here though. I love the Roaster picture though very cool and funny.

At 5/17/09 07:12 PM, KrevZabijak wrote: The NG FAQ is here for a reason.

I agree with you on this one, Krev. It's been something that the Review Mod Crew are working on - that we all agree with our interpretations of the rules, so that when we look at a review that has been flagged, most of us will agree on the course of action, even though only one of us is looking at it.

If all of the Review Mods sing from the same hymn sheet, we should be able to get things straightened up, but if you want to carry on flagging reviews, please feel free to do so, but this is something that should be on a solitary basis, rather than via the use of threads to collaborate with one another - it's similar to a mass voting tactic, which is frowned upon in the portal, which we all know is against the rules.

At 5/18/09 10:44 AM, Lizzardis wrote: Its not the same when you are just helping people get their whistle up....besides your not mass-voting for a bad thing because your not voting on a flash just to get it into the portal...If you mass-vote on a flash review then its obvious that there is something wrong with the review for you ALL to mark it as abusive...

The problem with that is that people can be wrong. And then everyone suffers, from the people who lost whistle points to the mods wasting their time dealing with the mess to the poor bastard having his review unfairly flagged. That's why the newer version of the thread only deals with theft claims, link spam, death threats, ASCII images, and chain reviews, which don't really have an ambiguous middle ground.

Incidentally, points are the least of the reasons anyone should be flagging something. Yeah, high whistle level is nice, but it should be the reward, not the motivation.

And if Coop tells me that the review thread should be stopped, even for the obvious stuff, I'll lock it, since he knows the system better than any of us non-mods. I was honestly reluctant about reopening it at all and only did so as a sort of compromise. Besides, if any of us spot a serious abusive review situation (such as alt-fueled award theft attempts), we've got him to inform and take care of it.

So yeah, Coop, confirm that you think it should be closed and I'll do so. And if anyone wants to complain, remember that these guys are the ones who RUN the whistle system---they have a little bit more idea about how it should be run than us.

At 5/18/09 10:44 AM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 5/18/09 08:54 AM, Coop83 wrote: it's similar to a mass voting tactic, which is frowned upon in the portal, which we all know is against the rules.

Its not the same when you are just helping people get their whistle up....besides your not mass-voting for a bad thing because your not voting on a flash just to get it into the portal...If you mass-vote on a flash review then its obvious that there is something wrong with the review for you ALL to mark it as abusive...

Oh really? How about if you are shown a flash that is by Chris Beer and told that this should be voted 0 on. That's inciting or insinuating mass voting.

Apply the same theory to the abusive reviews thread. It's giving people links to reviews which, while they may be questionable, should be down to the discretion of the individual to whistle if they see fit.

Rages thread used to have a lot of links that had annotations guiding people to the exact review which was, in the opinion of the poster, abusive. That, my friend is encouraging them to mass vote.

I think its OK for the thread to stay up as with Rage's thread, its a good way of users helping each other.

In principal, it's sound. However, nothing works perfectly in practice, as people have opinions, which can range from differing interpretations to the moderators, to having completely misread the rule or review in question.

The thread wasn't locked because it was classed as mass-voting, it was locked because people were linking to reviews which were not abusive and people were all voting on them because they had no common sense. GumOnShoe explains why Rages thread was locked.

Yeah, but look at that - people were posting more questionable links than not and as a result, impressionable individuals came along and flagged lots of non-abusive reviews. That, in my opinion is mass voting.

At 5/18/09 11:11 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: So yeah, Coop, confirm that you think it should be closed and I'll do so. And if anyone wants to complain, remember that these guys are the ones who RUN the whistle system---they have a little bit more idea about how it should be run than us.

Now I'm stuck on the fence, well and truly with this one. While I think that it is a form of mass voting, I think that you guys are some of the more mature members of the site, by and large. I think that there is a need for people to learn that they don't know the mind of each and every moderator that visits the site.

If there is any doubt in their minds as to whether or not a review is abusive, contact a review mod, or leave well alone. So far, there is only one member of the EGB who has done this to me - sonofkirk. I'm not saying that no-one here hasn't contacted anybody else - Krev went to Malachy, for example. If you can catch a mod when they are online, you're more likely to get a response when they will be checking the reviews themselves.

I'm in pretty decent contact with a few of the Review Mods and I'm hoping to get better contact established with more of them through this summer's meet up in London.

At the end of the day, please bear with us, we're only human.

Since I feel it goes against the EGB principles, please could you lock the thread, Slash.

At 5/18/09 11:15 AM, Lizzardis wrote:

So yeah, Coop, confirm that you think it should be closed and I'll do so.

*Sigh*

I'm doing this because I won't be a Newgrounder forever. I want to make sure that the thread doesn't descend into something like Rage's Gift did. After all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, is it not?

At 5/18/09 10:44 AM, Lizzardis wrote: Its not the same when you are just helping people get their whistle up.

You're not just helping people get their whistle up, actually that's like the "secondary objective", it's like a bonus (ha). The primary function is to clean Newgrounds up, and that's what we are always focusing in in the Barracks :)

At 5/18/09 12:34 PM, Coop83 wrote: Since I feel it goes against the EGB principles, please could you lock the thread, Slash.

I think it's OK if you want the thread to be locked, after all, we'll still be able to flag abusive reviews individually :) And sooner or later, they will be deleted.

I actually come across with several abusive reviews while making icons for submissions (since flashes that don't have icons usually have a bad score, and I always focus on newer submissions). Just a tip for those who want to catch a few abusive reviews ;)

Hey guys. As many of you may know I submit a live action movies to newgrounds every now and then. I get one or two youtube comment reviews, but for the most part people use their brain and give it a honest review for what it is.

So I'm guessing for some honest reviews from you guys. I really don't mind the score that you give me at all, as long as the review backs up the score! I'm not really greedy, but I love reading reviews on my submissions. So if anyone would review my movie I would greatly appreciate it.

We could even start a small topic about whether we think videos should be submitted or not. (Obviously I'm for it if it's quality)

Thank you Slash for reviewing it! I'm happy you liked it. It probably has done better than any of my other submissions I have ever submitted. It even got up to a 3.86 last night before I went to bed.

Bad thing was 3 spam flashes passed right next to mine even though I 0'd them all. It's the first thing that I noticed this in quite awhile as I thought the portal was kind of getting a little better. I've been so busy I've been barely visiting the portal though.

Hope everyone is doing good and any reviews are appreciated.

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  The Pretenders

  by Fro

  An old cop is hunting down a killer, but will his emotions get in his way?

  Movie

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  (Ages 13+)

Cool I will review that sometime I'm just very lazy when it comes to writing reviews as you may know I have some possible links to stolen content ,but I hope they don't mind me reporting it I found the info on NGPD and was curious about the flashes in question. I did not see them but here they are.

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  by <deleted>

  Under Judgment

  (Everyone)

Maybe stolen from here

http://www88.sakura.ne.jp/~eros/index2.h tm

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  by <deleted>

  Under Judgment

  (Everyone)

From here?

http://www.flashgames247.com/play/821.ht ml

Lastly I posted him before but he has another game http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/49 4321

from here http://www.mousebreaker.com/games/winezi lla/playgame

Lastly the author http://madnesscombat0099.newgrounds.com/
flash/ seem to up to his old tricks again stealing previews?.

Do you think these may be stolen I'm losing track here so many possible ones!