At 9/11/05 03:04 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: I haven't lurked in that one, though I have seen some of the workings of the Jew Jihad. The barney bunch, in my belief is simply a group meant to spam as much as possible, though they did manage to make one video that I believe should have passed judgement. I made a post about it a while ago. It seems that like the clock crew, some might actually be trying to make something decent even if it is a little screwy while others are just there to spam

Well, I remember someone posting a link to one actually quite good one - but really, the majority is crazily bad spam - I've seen copycats of them too - personally, I think the best idea to get rid of them is to make a whistle for "Repeatidly submitted crap"

At 9/11/05 04:26 PM, DaSadGirl wrote: I could say I know a decent amount of NG to join this place. Hopefully, this can keep the C&C more active. :)

Yup at both statements.

Your member information:

Member-ID: 0011 - 372675 - DaSadGirl
Member Specifications: All around.

At 9/11/05 12:45 PM, Nomader wrote: There's also the lock crew, clock crew, glock crew, socks, blocks, Sprite Crew (I think that's the name...) and many others that are much less known (I'm not sure how many people know about the socks and blocks - they didn't do so well)

Don't forget the Milano Crew. Their animations are sometimes rather good, but most are only worth a vote of 2 at best. There haven't been many Milaon Crew submissions that I've blammed, but they could do with putting more effort into them.

I'd like to join, I know a bunch of stuff about newgrounds, maybe not the most info about the history considering my sign-up date, but I still know a lot.

At 9/11/05 06:24 PM, -absentminded- wrote: I'd like to join, I know a bunch of stuff about newgrounds, maybe not the most info about the history considering my sign-up date, but I still know a lot.

I consider you a regular, welcome I'll show you your room, you share room with DaSadGirls. =)

Your member information is:

Member-ID: 0012 - 1182162 - -absentminded-
Member Specifications: All around.

At 9/11/05 06:15 PM, DelboyDylan wrote:

At 9/11/05 12:45 PM, Nomader wrote: There's also the lock crew, clock crew, glock crew, socks, blocks, Sprite Crew (I think that's the name...) and many others that are much less known (I'm not sure how many people know about the socks and blocks - they didn't do so well)

Don't forget the Milano Crew. Their animations are sometimes rather good, but most are only worth a vote of 2 at best. There haven't been many Milaon Crew submissions that I've blammed, but they could do with putting more effort into them.

My bad - forgot them - and I also left out the Star Syndicate and Friends of Foamy - the first uses their menu to pass them through - not their flashes... the second - a near precise copy, which just has Foamy subsituting for stars in the intro, and their latest production I believe contained two things - a picture of Wade, and a picture of Tom - never got around to seeing if it was blammed or not though...

Next little question, which function do you think a sig is best for?

According to me, it's about finding your own posts easy and as you can see that my signature says "Here to protect", it's also about showing that I have a fair opinion, that I will say what I think, not what I will get most popularity through saying.

So people who think that all the regulars would stick together have someone that would stick up for them if they are wise.

How about you?

At 9/12/05 05:07 AM, Andersson wrote: How about you?

I use my sig to show the main topics I have created and to link to my website. I also like to put various personal quotes in there. The "Currently:" indicator was orginally used to display whether I was online or not, and if I was online, what I was doing (e.g. voting, making icons etc.). Now it just indicates what kind of mood I'm in.

My sig pic is just something random I put together. The sig pic link is to my audio submissions. I like people to see this as I'm crap at flash and would like my fellow newgrounders to see that I have contributed some content to the site.

At 9/11/05 12:22 PM, Andersson wrote: What the heck, you know what I ment. I ain't sure if they are blammed.

Oh, they are blammed. Quite a lot get flagged.

Yeah, I do actually have a strong feeling myself that there's like one person or two in real life friends who are making alot of alt acounts.

I think it's around ten people that have these Barney alts.

At 9/11/05 12:40 PM, Nomader wrote: About the Barney Bunch... I think I've seen at least six of their submissions - and I haven't seen one pass judgement...

I think one passted on Clock Day.

Personally, I think they should get an IP ban so they can't submit the crap... but when you look into it, I think "Barney Masturbates" is taking it too far - and they are a bunch of alts - but the problem is that their submissions break no real portal rules - so they can only be blammed, and not whistled instead... I find this to be one of the most annoying groups to ever strike NG.

True, they should get an IP ban. It says in the FAQ if you submit multiple submissions with mutliple accounts, you will get an IP ban for it. They can be really annoying, but that's what their aim is. To annoy people.

And welcome to the people that have joined.

Yes, I know that - but my problem with it all is the fact that their getting away with it - chances are, their simply changing their IP Adress everytime they get a ban...

At 9/12/05 03:09 PM, Nomader wrote: Yes, I know that - but my problem with it all is the fact that their getting away with it - chances are, their simply changing their IP Adress everytime they get a ban...

Well, if they are able to get around the IP ban and whatever else the mods and admins can throw at them, there isn't really much that can be done about it. Unless you were able to find out who they are in real life and found out their address, then you could go round and "persuade" them to stop submitting their crap in person.

At 9/12/05 03:09 PM, Nomader wrote: Yes, I know that - but my problem with it all is the fact that their getting away with it - chances are, their simply changing their IP Adress everytime they get a ban...

I'm not too sure about them getting IP banned. I don't think Wade has IP banned them yet. True, they could change their IP address, but I bet Wade will sort them out if they think about getting around an IP ban.

I knows enough about BBSing

At 9/12/05 03:21 PM, Bahamut7 wrote:

At 9/12/05 03:09 PM, Nomader wrote: Yes, I know that - but my problem with it all is the fact that their getting away with it - chances are, their simply changing their IP Adress everytime they get a ban...

I'm not too sure about them getting IP banned. I don't think Wade has IP banned them yet. True, they could change their IP address, but I bet Wade will sort them out if they think about getting around an IP ban.

Yes, well I believe for the current moment, that I'm fine with getting blam points... although I think that Ban would be well taken.

Also, has anyone noticed the poor work put into the Star Syndicate? I notice that intro is what passes them, and almost no one gets to the menu - most of the things in the menu are horrible...

At 9/12/05 03:33 PM, Nomader wrote: Also, has anyone noticed the poor work put into the Star Syndicate? I notice that intro is what passes them, and almost no one gets to the menu - most of the things in the menu are horrible...

The star syndicate continues to prove that having a good looking start to a movie is one of the most important parts when getting a movie pass judgement. Idiots see lots of people co-authored and think "wow, this has to be good!" Then they start watching, see the menu/loading screen, and continue to think the movie is good. The voting bar appears, and, now with those thoughts of the movies being good, they vote on it. Also having foamy in the movie somewhere seems to boost score.

Now this is most likely not all true. The people who have been b/ping for a while see the movie, and think to themselves "sheesh, another one of these, well it's going to pass anyway, might as well vote for it to be protected." Some of the star syndicate movies are good, like the "best of the month" dailytoon movies usually have some pretty well animated shorts in them, although there are a lot more bad ones submitted in the month.

There's not really much to do about it either, there is no mass voting, resubmitting, or anything like that, which would be unfair. They pass simply because people except them to pass.

At 9/12/05 04:57 PM, -absentminded- wrote:

At 9/12/05 03:33 PM, Nomader wrote: Also, has anyone noticed the poor work put into the Star Syndicate? I notice that intro is what passes them, and almost no one gets to the menu - most of the things in the menu are horrible...

The star syndicate continues to prove that having a good looking start to a movie is one of the most important parts when getting a movie pass judgement. Idiots see lots of people co-authored and think "wow, this has to be good!" Then they start watching, see the menu/loading screen, and continue to think the movie is good. The voting bar appears, and, now with those thoughts of the movies being good, they vote on it. Also having foamy in the movie somewhere seems to boost score.

I definitly agree - but try searching "Friends of Foamy" - and you'll find some horrible collab with instead of stars, foamy... I'm seriously thinking that next time I see one of them, I'll whistle it... but I'm not sure if it falls under the catagory.

Now this is most likely not all true. The people who have been b/ping for a while see the movie, and think to themselves "sheesh, another one of these, well it's going to pass anyway, might as well vote for it to be protected." Some of the star syndicate movies are good, like the "best of the month" dailytoon movies usually have some pretty well animated shorts in them, although there are a lot more bad ones submitted in the month.

Actually, sadly it's what I'm beggining to think - I voted 5 for a star syndicate movie because I knew it was going to pass... but I know it was horrible, but in the end, I might as well get that protection point.

And your right - some actually ARE good...

There's not really much to do about it either, there is no mass voting, resubmitting, or anything like that, which would be unfair. They pass simply because people except them to pass.

That is true - there was that controversy awhile ago with the Star Syndicate and mass voting - however, unless I'm mistaken - it has been cleared up - now I notice that theyre passing, from what I think is people who simply decide to give it a 5

IP bans are easy to get around, what you could do though is to ban hardware.

I don't know much about this but it means, that they can ban the hard drive, motherboard and processor as they can be reached and seen which number it has et cetera.

So to be able to go to the site again, you'll have to change your hardware.

At 9/12/05 05:38 PM, Andersson wrote: IP bans are easy to get around, what you could do though is to ban hardware.

I don't know much about this but it means, that they can ban the hard drive, motherboard and processor as they can be reached and seen which number it has et cetera.

So to be able to go to the site again, you'll have to change your hardware.

Wow... I never knew they had this many tools - I knew they could IP Ban you, and that they could ban/delete your account, but can they really ban lets say your motherboard? Isn't that a bit cruel? And is that even in the FAQ? I've read it now a few times, and if its in there, I haven't really noticed it...

At 9/12/05 05:56 PM, Nomader wrote: Wow... I never knew they had this many tools - I knew they could IP Ban you, and that they could ban/delete your account, but can they really ban lets say your motherboard? Isn't that a bit cruel? And is that even in the FAQ? I've read it now a few times, and if its in there, I haven't really noticed it...

No this ain't in the FAQ and they do most probably not have those administrative options.

System ban does excist in games like "Counter-Strike" and other games with "PunkBuster".

But to have this legal you'll have to make alot of terms for the users to fill, but I am pretty sure that they would be able to add it if they got the law on their side and putted some effort in it.

At 9/12/05 06:06 PM, Andersson wrote:

At 9/12/05 05:56 PM, Nomader wrote: Wow... I never knew they had this many tools - I knew they could IP Ban you, and that they could ban/delete your account, but can they really ban lets say your motherboard? Isn't that a bit cruel? And is that even in the FAQ? I've read it now a few times, and if its in there, I haven't really noticed it...

No this ain't in the FAQ and they do most probably not have those administrative options.

System ban does excist in games like "Counter-Strike" and other games with "PunkBuster".

But to have this legal you'll have to make alot of terms for the users to fill, but I am pretty sure that they would be able to add it if they got the law on their side and putted some effort in it.

But if I were Wade and Tom or liljim, you could ask yourself - do I really need this sort of ban?

With the amount of spam in the portal, you have some newbs who get blammed or whistled, some groups (some good, some bad), and simply amazing submissions.

I don't really think they need this sort of thing - and everyone would be too nervous to fill out lengthy legal contracts... no, I think its fine as it is.

At 9/12/05 06:06 PM, Andersson wrote: But to have this legal you'll have to make alot of terms for the users to fill, but I am pretty sure that they would be able to add it if they got the law on their side and putted some effort in it.

I really don't think they would bother. If someone was being malicious and submitting shit all the time, it wouldn't matter, as it would get blammed anyway. If it does get through judgement it will disappear into obscurity within 24 hours.

If it started to get really ridiculous I would have thought after a few IP bans and account deletions that most people would get bored and give up.

At 9/12/05 06:18 PM, Nomader wrote: But if I were Wade and Tom or liljim, you could ask yourself - do I really need this sort of ban?

In my opinion, you don't. You can control it to the level there it won't have gone way too far anyway.

I don't really think they need this sort of thing - and everyone would be too nervous to fill out lengthy legal contracts... no, I think its fine as it is.

Yup, it's good as it is.
The 2 MB limit per submission they've given the StarSyndicate members is good, and enough.

And with maximal two submissions per day, they can't submit too many, even though co-authoring doesn't count.

At 9/12/05 06:22 PM, DelboyDylan wrote: If it does get through judgement it will disappear into obscurity within 24 hours.

And if they wanted to, they could just delete their submissions.

If it started to get really ridiculous I would have thought after a few IP bans and account deletions that most people would get bored and give up.

The nightmare would be 50 drunks at an office party who started to spam though. That would be insane, and some drunks can keep it going for very long if they find it funny.

At 9/12/05 06:25 PM, Andersson wrote:

At 9/12/05 06:22 PM, DelboyDylan wrote: If it does get through judgement it will disappear into obscurity within 24 hours.

And if they wanted to, they could just delete their submissions.

True, but I was talking about really bad submissions that barely make it passed judgement. They could delete them, but I don't know why they would waste their time.

If it started to get really ridiculous I would have thought after a few IP bans and account deletions that most people would get bored and give up.

The nightmare would be 50 drunks at an office party who started to spam though. That would be insane, and some drunks can keep it going for very long if they find it funny.

So, similar to Clock Day then. But in this case everyone wouldn't be deliberately passing each submission through judgement regardless of the content. Also it would only last a few hours, half a day tops. Not really a nightmare, just rather irritating.

None of these acts really warrant hardware banning, as that is a bit over the top. Blamming, IP bans, submission deletions and account deletions (and whatever else the admins and mods have up there sleeves) is quite enough in my opinion.

At 9/12/05 06:45 PM, DelboyDylan wrote: Stuff...

What you are saying is true, but if 50 drunks at a office party started to spam the forum sections for only a couple of hours with 10 alts each, they would give horrible effects actually.

However, yeah, the current tools and options are enough at the moment.

The only thing I could say would be bad enough to give someone a system ban is if they post real uncensored pictures of rapes, child pornography and murder.

At 9/12/05 06:56 PM, Andersson wrote: What you are saying is true, but if 50 drunks at a office party started to spam the forum sections for only a couple of hours with 10 alts each, they would give horrible effects actually.

Spamming in the forums in that scenario would be a bitch, especially for the mods who would have to keep up with the post/topic deletions and bans.

The only thing I could say would be bad enough to give someone a system ban is if they post real uncensored pictures of rapes, child pornography and murder.

Very true. However, in that case they would probably be reported to the FBI or something. The admins claim to have followed through on that one before.

At 9/12/05 07:08 PM, DelboyDylan wrote:

At 9/12/05 06:56 PM, Andersson wrote: What you are saying is true, but if 50 drunks at a office party started to spam the forum sections for only a couple of hours with 10 alts each, they would give horrible effects actually.

Spamming in the forums in that scenario would be a bitch, especially for the mods who would have to keep up with the post/topic deletions and bans.

Yes - imagine the overtime they'd have to pull - It'd be a nightmare...

The only thing I could say would be bad enough to give someone a system ban is if they post real uncensored pictures of rapes, child pornography and murder.

Very true. However, in that case they would probably be reported to the FBI or something. The admins claim to have followed through on that one before.

If I posted some little 9 year old girl being raped, I'm sure that the FBI would be notified - or at least the cops - I'm sorry, but you simply don't post that stuff...

At 9/12/05 08:22 PM, Nomader wrote: If I posted some little 9 year old girl being raped, I'm sure that the FBI would be notified - or at least the cops - I'm sorry, but you simply don't post that stuff...

I don't know why you are saying sorry. Pictures like that simply shouldn't exist. Period.

At 9/12/05 08:29 PM, DelboyDylan wrote:

At 9/12/05 08:22 PM, Nomader wrote: If I posted some little 9 year old girl being raped, I'm sure that the FBI would be notified - or at least the cops - I'm sorry, but you simply don't post that stuff...

I don't know why you are saying sorry. Pictures like that simply shouldn't exist. Period.

Sorry... crap - I mean - it's a habit of mine - so if I say sorry completly out of text ignore them.

At 9/12/05 03:33 PM, Nomader wrote: Yes, well I believe for the current moment, that I'm fine with getting blam points... although I think that Ban would be well taken.

True, but now, I'll just appreciate the blam points I get from their crappy movies.

Also, has anyone noticed the poor work put into the Star Syndicate? I notice that intro is what passes them, and almost no one gets to the menu - most of the things in the menu are horrible...

I go further than their intro. I see a Daily2oon under judgment, I see if the flashes have good quality or not. A few times, I have voted low on Daily2oons due to bad quality on the flashes. Maybe I'll miss a save point there, but I was being honest.

At 9/12/05 05:38 PM, Andersson wrote: IP bans are easy to get around, what you could do though is to ban hardware.

IP bans are very easy for me to get around since I use AOL. Yes, I should be ashamed for using that piece of shit.

I use to have a forum that I had until some cunt wrecked it. I was unable to ban unable completely since he kepy changing his IP. I IP banned him a few times, but it didn't work once. I had to take the forum offline for a week. :|

So to be able to go to the site again, you'll have to change your hardware.

Or use another computer. That's what I've done in the past when I couldn't find a single way around a ban.