Level 38! Yes! :)

Congratulations to

Bobbybroccoli - Level 20
1337 - Level 43
Toohot100 - Level 46
WeHaveFreshCookies - A very praiseworthy level 30
jonthomson - 32,000 Experience
AnalPenguinFarming - 1000 Total medals
illuminate - 66,000 Saves
BaronVonBadGuy - Level 48
Auz - Top 20 in total stats
FurryFox - 7,000 B/P
EmmDubya - Corporal, 4,000 B/P
sandwich-eater - 8,000 Experience
Hacsev - Level 36

Coop wonders if he'll get as much writing done today, while congratulating:
sandwich-eater: 8,000 Experience
Hacsev: Level 36
Aprime: Level 38

Ins>Listening to:
Rush - Roll The Bones [Rush In Rio]
Michael Jackson - Ghosts
Priestess - Lay Down

At 1/3/12 08:22 AM, Odyssic wrote:

At 1/3/12 03:26 AM, Coop wrote: Coop prepares to head back to the office, while congratulating:

If you went in early, was it pitch black this morning?

Not quite - side lights only this morning. Since tomorrow is the anniversary of my accident, I'm not looking forward to that one :P

At 1/3/12 08:45 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/2/12 10:15 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/1/12 09:29 AM, Bahamut wrote: That is an excellent idea.

I'll be putting this to the test soon - I've been loaned a fistful of CDs, which are as follows:

Rush - Feedback
Rush In Rio

More Rush? Can't argue with that.

"Alright, its Saturday night. I have no date, a two litre bottle of Shasta, and my all Rush mix tape! Let's rock!"

Got to love Neil Peart's drumming

In The Court of the Crimson King

Heck yes!

I'll let you know when I've given it a spin

Deceased - Supernatural Addiction

...Uhhh, I don't know.

Is that a sarcastic IDK, or genuinely a band that you've not encountered before?

At 1/2/12 09:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: The Beatles - White Album. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine.

I prefer number eight.

It feels better with the burp.

More of a relief of the tension, I feel.

Nope, they were civil about it. Now Slayer and Manowar on the other hand...

Do you really want to go there?

Why not?

Not my thing.

At 1/3/12 09:18 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/3/12 03:26 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/2/12 06:20 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/2/12 10:15 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/2/12 09:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: The Beatles - White Album. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine.

I prefer number eight.

Number eight *buuuuurp* Number eight *buuuuuurp* Number eight *buuuuuuurp*

Hey, wow! A Peanut!

I'm rich again! USA! USA! USA!

Okay, have we just descended into random Simpsons quotes? In that case,

"How can one piece of insulated wire bring so much happiness?

Police Sergeant.

Listening to:

Devin Townsend - Ghost. So relaxing.

At 1/3/12 09:18 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/3/12 08:45 AM, Bahamut wrote: I still want to get The Man-Machine. I still have £10 gift voucher for HMV so I'll see what I can get in Liverpool on Saturday.

I might consider buying a full album of Kraftwerk. But before I do that I have to buy some more metal albums.

Heh, I have plenty of metal albums right now but I need more. Some Kraftwerk is good for me.

YouTube doesn't even fight back with copyright claims. If someone makes a false claim, they'll blindly take it and the victim has no luck.

Yeah, they say something like "it may be possible that this video contains content from blabla". Really? It MIGHT BE POSSIBLE??

May as well say that for everything, like claiming everything MAY have traces of nuts.

Also good. More?

Primordial. But I just bought The Gathering Wilderness as an MP3-Album.

Can't blame you for going for the MP3. Some of their albums aren't easy to get. To the Nameless Dead is their best one.

At 1/3/12 03:43 PM, Hacsev wrote: Holy shi-, checking out my previous posts I noticed I made an achievement post in the wrong topic. Can a mod please delete my post in here?

I'm sorry, I just find Nijsse's post humourous.

At 1/4/12 03:27 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/3/12 08:45 AM, Bahamut wrote: More Rush? Can't argue with that.

"Alright, its Saturday night. I have no date, a two litre bottle of Shasta, and my all Rush mix tape! Let's rock!"

Got to love Neil Peart's drumming

That reminds me, I need to pick up season 5 of Futurama.

In The Court of the Crimson King

Heck yes!

I'll let you know when I've given it a spin

Best prog rock album?

Deceased - Supernatural Addiction

...Uhhh, I don't know.

Is that a sarcastic IDK, or genuinely a band that you've not encountered before?

Not heard of it before. Sounds like a death metal band.

Why not?

Not my thing.

Well there you have it Auz. Manowar and Slayer, not Coop's things.

At 1/4/12 03:27 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/3/12 09:18 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/3/12 03:26 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/2/12 06:20 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/2/12 10:15 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/2/12 09:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: The Beatles - White Album. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine.

I prefer number eight.

Number eight *buuuuurp* Number eight *buuuuuurp* Number eight *buuuuuuurp*

Hey, wow! A Peanut!

I'm rich again! USA! USA! USA!

Okay, have we just descended into random Simpsons quotes? In that case,

"How can one piece of insulated wire bring so much happiness?

Hey, my last quote was from the same episode as the "peanut" quote, so it wasn't that random!

"The man hates pants!"

Yes, I forgot to include the rest of the post. Silly me!

At 1/4/12 12:39 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/3/12 09:18 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/3/12 08:45 AM, Bahamut wrote: I still want to get The Man-Machine. I still have £10 gift voucher for HMV so I'll see what I can get in Liverpool on Saturday.

I might consider buying a full album of Kraftwerk. But before I do that I have to buy some more metal albums.

Heh, I have plenty of metal albums right now but I need more. Some Kraftwerk is good for me.

I may buy a new album every month. Would be 12 albums a year and not hurt that much financially, if you go for cheap(er) albums. At least that way you'd have a steady income of new albums while at the same time not spending EVERYTHING on CDs.

YouTube doesn't even fight back with copyright claims. If someone makes a false claim, they'll blindly take it and the victim has no luck.

Yeah, they say something like "it may be possible that this video contains content from blabla". Really? It MIGHT BE POSSIBLE??

May as well say that for everything, like claiming everything MAY have traces of nuts.

Exactly! And that's why youtube can go fuck itself.

Also good. More?

Primordial. But I just bought The Gathering Wilderness as an MP3-Album.

Can't blame you for going for the MP3. Some of their albums aren't easy to get. To the Nameless Dead is their best one.

Also MP3 is much cheaper than the physical copy. But I still prefer the real thing, so I won't buy too many MP3 albums.

20,000 Experience Points

9k saves

I passed 55000 B/P

You passed 55000 B/P! Congrats!

Coop works "overtime" today, while congratulating:
RoyalStraightFlush: 20,000 Experience
jonthomson: 9,000 Saves
Alex616: Corporal
DoctorStrongbad: 55,000 B/P

At 1/4/12 12:39 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/3/12 03:43 PM, Hacsev wrote: Holy shi-, checking out my previous posts I noticed I made an achievement post in the wrong topic. Can a mod please delete my post in here?

I'm sorry, I just find Nijsse's post humourous.

Same here.

At 1/4/12 03:27 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/3/12 08:45 AM, Bahamut wrote: More Rush? Can't argue with that.

"Alright, its Saturday night. I have no date, a two litre bottle of Shasta, and my all Rush mix tape! Let's rock!"

Got to love Neil Peart's drumming

That reminds me, I need to pick up season 5 of Futurama.

I've still not got it, though I do have the DVD movies, aren't they the same thing, or is this the new stuff you're on about?

In The Court of the Crimson King

Heck yes!

I'll let you know when I've given it a spin

Best prog rock album?

Lofty goal, but I'll give it a listen over the next day or two.

Deceased - Supernatural Addiction

...Uhhh, I don't know.

Is that a sarcastic IDK, or genuinely a band that you've not encountered before?

Not heard of it before. Sounds like a death metal band.

Death / Thrash, according to Wiki.

Why not?

Not my thing.

Well there you have it Auz. Manowar and Slayer, not Coop's things.

BEst to get it from the horse's mouth, I always say.

At 1/4/12 12:55 PM, Haggard wrote: Yes, I forgot to include the rest of the post. Silly me!

Sorry, my random Simpsons quoting seems to have derailed you. Carry on.

I became a Sergeant Major!

Top 200 in Experience!

Top 2k in B/P Ranks

Listening to:

Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath

At 1/4/12 12:55 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/4/12 12:39 PM, Bahamut wrote: Heh, I have plenty of metal albums right now but I need more. Some Kraftwerk is good for me.

I may buy a new album every month. Would be 12 albums a year and not hurt that much financially, if you go for cheap(er) albums. At least that way you'd have a steady income of new albums while at the same time not spending EVERYTHING on CDs.

Better than nothing. Not sure how your finance is but would 2 or 3 a month hurt?

May as well say that for everything, like claiming everything MAY have traces of nuts.

Exactly! And that's why youtube can go fuck itself.

I couldn't agree more. I removed all of my videos because I got false claimed once before and it could happen again. At least you wouldn't get that bullshit on Blip.

Can't blame you for going for the MP3. Some of their albums aren't easy to get. To the Nameless Dead is their best one.

Also MP3 is much cheaper than the physical copy. But I still prefer the real thing, so I won't buy too many MP3 albums.

There was one album I almost bought on MP3 and that was Brocas Helm's Defender of the Crown. I managed to win it on eBay so I didn't need to buy it on iTunes in the end.

At 1/5/12 04:01 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/4/12 12:39 PM, Bahamut wrote: That reminds me, I need to pick up season 5 of Futurama.

I've still not got it, though I do have the DVD movies, aren't they the same thing, or is this the new stuff you're on about?

The new one is considered season 5. Bah, this shit only becomes more and more complicated.

Best prog rock album?

Lofty goal, but I'll give it a listen over the next day or two.

Trust me, if it isn't, it's damn close!

Not heard of it before. Sounds like a death metal band.

Death / Thrash, according to Wiki.

What? You? Listening to death metal?

At 1/4/12 12:55 PM, Haggard wrote: Yes, I forgot to include the rest of the post. Silly me!

Sorry, my random Simpsons quoting seems to have derailed you. Carry on.

I was actually enjoying it.

At 1/5/12 06:13 AM, Haggard wrote: Top 200 in Experience!

Awesome! Next stop: Top 150 EXP. Of course, it will take a long time. It took me a year to move from top 200 to top 150 and now I'm fighting for the top 100. It's been ten months since I entered the top 150.

You passed 19000 B/P! Congrats!

My Graveyard CDs arrived today. My first impression is that the first album is better than the second. But the title track from Hisingen Blues is THE SHIT! So the second album is still worth it.

At 1/5/12 04:01 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/4/12 12:55 PM, Haggard wrote: Yes, I forgot to include the rest of the post. Silly me!

Sorry, my random Simpsons quoting seems to have derailed you. Carry on.

Yeah, I was so glad that I found such an amazing quote that I wanted to post it straight away.

At 1/5/12 12:03 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/4/12 12:55 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/4/12 12:39 PM, Bahamut wrote: Heh, I have plenty of metal albums right now but I need more. Some Kraftwerk is good for me.

I may buy a new album every month. Would be 12 albums a year and not hurt that much financially, if you go for cheap(er) albums. At least that way you'd have a steady income of new albums while at the same time not spending EVERYTHING on CDs.

Better than nothing. Not sure how your finance is but would 2 or 3 a month hurt?

That could be too much already. But this gave me an idea: Instead of buying one album each month I should buy two albums every other month. That way I can avoid shipping costs every time I buy a new album.

May as well say that for everything, like claiming everything MAY have traces of nuts.

Exactly! And that's why youtube can go fuck itself.

I couldn't agree more. I removed all of my videos because I got false claimed once before and it could happen again. At least you wouldn't get that bullshit on Blip.

I often switch to myvideo, but the layout there sucks ass. Plus I have the feeling they show even more commercials than youtube does.

Can't blame you for going for the MP3. Some of their albums aren't easy to get. To the Nameless Dead is their best one.

Also MP3 is much cheaper than the physical copy. But I still prefer the real thing, so I won't buy too many MP3 albums.

There was one album I almost bought on MP3 and that was Brocas Helm's Defender of the Crown. I managed to win it on eBay so I didn't need to buy it on iTunes in the end.

I found the The Holy Koran as an audio book, for only 370,99 Euros!

At 1/5/12 06:13 AM, Haggard wrote: Top 200 in Experience!

Awesome! Next stop: Top 150 EXP. Of course, it will take a long time. It took me a year to move from top 200 to top 150 and now I'm fighting for the top 100. It's been ten months since I entered the top 150.

Yes, it took me quite long to get into the top 200. Let's see how fast I can get to the top 150...

Congratulations to

Aprime - Level 38
Winrar1337 - Police Sergeant
RoyalStraightFlush - 20,000 Experience
jonthomson - 9,000 Saves
Alex616 - Corporal
DoctorStrongbad - 55,000 B/P
Gimmick - Sergeant Major
Haggard - Top 200 in Experience
Tycrane - 19,000 B/P

Coop waits for the Virgin Media bloke to turn up, while congratulating:
Gimmick: Sergeant Major
Haggard: Top 200 Experienced. Only 100 places behind me now :D
Tycrane: 19,000 B/P

Listening to:
Bread - Make It With You
Velvet Revolver - For A Brother

At 1/5/12 12:03 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/5/12 04:01 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/4/12 12:39 PM, Bahamut wrote: That reminds me, I need to pick up season 5 of Futurama.

I've still not got it, though I do have the DVD movies, aren't they the same thing, or is this the new stuff you're on about?

The new one is considered season 5. Bah, this shit only becomes more and more complicated.

I need to reinvest myself into being a Futurama anorak :P

Best prog rock album?

Lofty goal, but I'll give it a listen over the next day or two.

Trust me, if it isn't, it's damn close!

We'll see.

Not heard of it before. Sounds like a death metal band.

Death / Thrash, according to Wiki.

What? You? Listening to death metal?

I think what's more surprising is that I've now managed to get hold of a CD for a metal band that you've never heard of. Dr. Sticks has really helped me on that front. If ever they get shelves for their (his) CD Collection, it will take up at least a whole wall in their small bedroom...

Triple stats milestone :)

Level 22

5,500 experience rank

3,000 saves (by the end of today)

At 1/5/12 04:25 PM, Tycrane wrote: You passed 19000 B/P! Congrats!

Congrats lasse, I can't remember when I passed 19,000 b/p for yee. I could find out but fffuuuu it I don't get any more stat milestone the only thing I am striving for is 2.0 P/B ratio and 9,999,990 experience points 255,000 experiences

Today I reached level twenty-two. It's not a particularly attractive icon, in my opinion, but I believe that it's superior to the previous one, even if not by much. What really excites me is that I'm now just fourty-eight days away from level twenty-three, which is my personal favourite on the site other than a few ones another twenty or more levels upwards. With just a few days until the redesign countdown begins, however, I fear that it may be a race to reach that icon before there's a pretty sizeable chance that it is replaced by another - even if I don't end up keeping it for a long time I want to wield it at some point at the very least, as I've always thought that it's a lovely, solid looking icon.

Level 37.

The base voting power is my total voting power flipped!
TVP = 8.16
VP = 6.18

I'm allowing the shitty cupid icon to appear on my screen just for this day.

Listening to:

Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath

At 1/5/12 05:13 PM, Haggard wrote: My Graveyard CDs arrived today. My first impression is that the first album is better than the second. But the title track from Hisingen Blues is THE SHIT! So the second album is still worth it.

My latest haul of CDs just gets more and more crazy. Hopefully it won't be like last year where I was listening to 25 albums on a single playlist.

At 1/5/12 12:03 PM, Bahamut wrote: Better than nothing. Not sure how your finance is but would 2 or 3 a month hurt?

That could be too much already. But this gave me an idea: Instead of buying one album each month I should buy two albums every other month. That way I can avoid shipping costs every time I buy a new album.

How about three every two months?

I couldn't agree more. I removed all of my videos because I got false claimed once before and it could happen again. At least you wouldn't get that bullshit on Blip.

I often switch to myvideo, but the layout there sucks ass. Plus I have the feeling they show even more commercials than youtube does.

I don't even know about myvideo. Blip.tv has some ads and while I think it's only fair to get some revenue, I have problems where the ads cause the main video to not work at all.

There was one album I almost bought on MP3 and that was Brocas Helm's Defender of the Crown. I managed to win it on eBay so I didn't need to buy it on iTunes in the end.

I found the The Holy Koran as an audio book, for only 370,99 Euros!

Only?!

Awesome! Next stop: Top 150 EXP. Of course, it will take a long time. It took me a year to move from top 200 to top 150 and now I'm fighting for the top 100. It's been ten months since I entered the top 150.

Yes, it took me quite long to get into the top 200. Let's see how fast I can get to the top 150...

About a year, probably. Hopefully some like Armissea are deleted to make way for you. :P

At 1/6/12 04:09 AM, Coop wrote: Coop waits for the Virgin Media bloke to turn up, while congratulating:
Haggard: Top 200 Experienced. Only 100 places behind me now :D

Haha, so it is. For us two, we're only 23 ranks apart. Once I'm out of level 50, those inactive users will be dried up. I just wonder how close both of us will ever be in terms of EXP ranks.

At 1/5/12 12:03 PM, Bahamut wrote: The new one is considered season 5. Bah, this shit only becomes more and more complicated.

I need to reinvest myself into being a Futurama anorak :P

I'll just get more toys. I still need the Nibbler plush. My parents weren't able to get it for Christmas but I'm not going to fault them since they did well with the majority of presents.

Trust me, if it isn't, it's damn close!

We'll see.

Now get listening to it!

What? You? Listening to death metal?

I think what's more surprising is that I've now managed to get hold of a CD for a metal band that you've never heard of.

So will you explore further in heavy metal underground?

At 1/6/12 12:49 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/5/12 05:13 PM, Haggard wrote: My Graveyard CDs arrived today. My first impression is that the first album is better than the second. But the title track from Hisingen Blues is THE SHIT! So the second album is still worth it.

My latest haul of CDs just gets more and more crazy. Hopefully it won't be like last year where I was listening to 25 albums on a single playlist.

I only have one playlist for music. It's too much work to put together new playlists all the time.
But I have a few playlists for different Full Cast Audio Drama Series, lol.

At 1/5/12 12:03 PM, Bahamut wrote: Better than nothing. Not sure how your finance is but would 2 or 3 a month hurt?

That could be too much already. But this gave me an idea: Instead of buying one album each month I should buy two albums every other month. That way I can avoid shipping costs every time I buy a new album.

How about three every two months?

How about "2 or 3 every two months"? ;)

I couldn't agree more. I removed all of my videos because I got false claimed once before and it could happen again. At least you wouldn't get that bullshit on Blip.

I often switch to myvideo, but the layout there sucks ass. Plus I have the feeling they show even more commercials than youtube does.

I don't even know about myvideo. Blip.tv has some ads and while I think it's only fair to get some revenue, I have problems where the ads cause the main video to not work at all.

Turns out that myvideo isn't even available in english, so no surprises that you don't know about it. But I think I should try out blip.tv when I run into another "this video is blocked because we suck".

There was one album I almost bought on MP3 and that was Brocas Helm's Defender of the Crown. I managed to win it on eBay so I didn't need to buy it on iTunes in the end.

I found the The Holy Koran as an audio book, for only 370,99 Euros!

Only?!

Or you can buy it at Amazon.com for $335.49. Also nice: "Album Savings: $186.24 compared to buying all songs".

Awesome! Next stop: Top 150 EXP. Of course, it will take a long time. It took me a year to move from top 200 to top 150 and now I'm fighting for the top 100. It's been ten months since I entered the top 150.

Yes, it took me quite long to get into the top 200. Let's see how fast I can get to the top 150...

About a year, probably. Hopefully some like Armissea are deleted to make way for you. :P

That would be swell!

At 1/6/12 04:09 AM, Coop wrote: Coop waits for the Virgin Media bloke to turn up, while congratulating:
Haggard: Top 200 Experienced. Only 100 places behind me now :D

Haha, so it is. For us two, we're only 23 ranks apart. Once I'm out of level 50, those inactive users will be dried up. I just wonder how close both of us will ever be in terms of EXP ranks.

I guess there are some very active users between us (Auz for example). If only I could have my missed deposits back I would be ahead of you all! :P

In addition to my prior levelup, I just noticed that sometime earlier today I reached 1,337 blams, which although isn't too impressive it's certainly a pretty number, especially considering it only really comes once, as opposed to multiples of 1000. I'm also expecting to reach 15,000 total stats by about four or five PM tomorrow, which I assume is reportable as it's a multiple of 5,000, not just 1,000, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, even though it is slightly past 12 am in myy area, I have, in the past 24 hours, become Level 5, my B/P Rank is now Police Sargeant. and I have just above 24,000 medal points.

LEVEL 50!

That cupid is no more.Screw you level 49, I will not miss you one bit. As for the golden shurikens, hard to complain about them, even though the redesign is only around the corner so I'll most likely not have any golden shurikens then.

Coop finally pries himself from the cleaning to congratulate:
Decky: Level 22; 3,000 Saves
EmmDubya: Level 22; 1,337 Blams
DarkSoldier: Level 37
Shade: Level 13
Bahamut: Level 50

Listening to:
Bruce Dickinson - Born in '58
Iron Maiden - Futureal
Bruce Dickinson - Lickin' The Gun

At 1/6/12 06:01 AM, Decky wrote: Triple stats milestone :)

Double, your experience rank is still pitiful :P

Also, don't be so fucking lazy - come and tell us when you've reached 3,000 Saves, not "I'll have got there by the end of the day!" >:(

At 1/6/12 12:15 PM, Gimmick wrote: The base voting power is my total voting power flipped!
TVP = 8.16
VP = 6.18

Nice little quirk. I remember when I could notice stuff like that about my account. Of course, it'll never happen now.

At 1/6/12 12:49 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/6/12 04:09 AM, Coop wrote: Coop waits for the Virgin Media bloke to turn up, while congratulating:
Haggard: Top 200 Experienced. Only 100 places behind me now :D

Haha, so it is. For us two, we're only 23 ranks apart. Once I'm out of level 50, those inactive users will be dried up. I just wonder how close both of us will ever be in terms of EXP ranks.

It would be quite weird if you ever get to chasing me for the next rank :P The only way that would happen is if I ever reach #1, I feel :P

At 1/5/12 12:03 PM, Bahamut wrote: The new one is considered season 5. Bah, this shit only becomes more and more complicated.

I need to reinvest myself into being a Futurama anorak :P

I'll just get more toys. I still need the Nibbler plush. My parents weren't able to get it for Christmas but I'm not going to fault them since they did well with the majority of presents.

I've just ordered a horde of DVDs for birthday presents and one for myself. That reminds me, I need to update the Xmas list to a Birthday list, since some of the stuff I still didn't get my hands on!

At 1/6/12 06:12 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 1/6/12 04:09 AM, Coop wrote: Coop waits for the Virgin Media bloke to turn up, while congratulating:
Haggard: Top 200 Experienced. Only 100 places behind me now :D

Haha, so it is. For us two, we're only 23 ranks apart. Once I'm out of level 50, those inactive users will be dried up. I just wonder how close both of us will ever be in terms of EXP ranks.

I guess there are some very active users between us (Auz for example). If only I could have my missed deposits back I would be ahead of you all! :P

Yeah, but you've missed hundreds of them. I've only missed six.

Trust me, if it isn't, it's damn close!

We'll see.

Now get listening to it!

Not got there yet - I will, but cutting down a tree to Garage Inc and Black Sails at Midnight was a great exercise.

What? You? Listening to death metal?

I think what's more surprising is that I've now managed to get hold of a CD for a metal band that you've never heard of.

So will you explore further in heavy metal underground?

I'll explore what CDs get placed into my hand or bag. I will listen to them, even if they are Slayer, Manowar or Apocalyptica, before rendering a verdict.