Ohhhh where to start... First of all I don't know how to do flash I don't have a flash program and I have not submitted a flash vid obviously. That don't mean I can't tell the diffrence between a good quality submition and a piece of shit. Secondly I have no life. I sit here at home and spend all day watching the portal for new submitions (while chating on msn or playing some games). Sure I miss a few but I will judge as many as I can. I judge hard but fair even if I don't watch 100% of a submition. If the submission is under 10k or the first thing i see is a crappy stickman that don't even look like a stickman I will blam without hesitation. If I see the graphics are good I'll watch more into it and probably give it a 2 or 3. You want a 4 or 5 from me it had better be somthing that god him/her self would consider phenominal. I will also admit I have blamed some submissions because the preloader itself was a shitty stickman. (sorry if I don't wanna waste any more time loading somthing thats going to be shit) (side note. Not having a preloader isn't reason to blam although 90% flash that don't have one is shit.) Now for the standing up for others part. I have noticed that some submitions don't auto load for those who don't know this can be mistaken for a not working flash and blam it. (always cheak to see if it will play by going to play). Not everyone has high speed internet those with dial up would have to wait a good 30 minuts to load a 3-5 meg flash vid (if that was me I would say screw it and vote 0 unless it had a good preloader. 90% of the 3+meg files without a preloader are infact SHIT. Now for the bad stuff nah j/k. Now for the good stuff. I fully support what is said here because all flash submitions should indeed be judged fairly (side note) I consider my judgements hard but fair. Now for a great idea to stop people from submiting the same crap over and over again. If target person has submited befor then if target new submission size= same then kill submission. (Wade you have my email please mail me if I am being targeted for by this as I am not sure. I would mail you but im sure you get more than enough mail.) (msn would be much better)

just curious, but did anyone ever assume that fixit was more than one person? one account shared by ... i dunno, 5 to 10 people, all logging in and voting on under judgement files at intervals throughout the day, for a 24 hour period? you really could rack up a shitload of points that way.

devious, but sounds entirely possible.

re slippery

if you have notices there is a timelimit per acount as well as ip for voting so it has already been though of and protected. to protext the authors. found this out when i went to friends house and loged in adn wennt to go suport something but friend had already visited it 18 hours earler
-Schlag

its about time you guys started doing this.

I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619
Just read the reviews about it.

Oh yea I remember that p.o.s. I gave that a blam point fairly. The preloader was alright then the thing stated to play (BLAM!!!)

Is it allowed to vote on stuff that's already passed judgement that you have'nt watched?

I sometimes vote on stuff that i've already watched before without watching it at that moment is that allowed?
It should be because i've already watched it and its passed judgement.

At 12/8/04 10:52 AM, Portal_Diver wrote: I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619

it was submission liek this that made me become a member of the NG to remove shit like this from making it

first there was no point
2nd there was unnessary strobing
3rd it had nothing to do related to the title
4th it was from a member of the star syndacate)

i blamed it at the point where he enterd his username
its just that easy to tell wether something is going ot be good or a waste of ng space.

so why does this and submissions like daily flash make it
onto the portal ? zzz seriously .. there's a reason i only give out 2/3 for decent flash .. its because shit like this take up all my blam power.. and still makes it onto the portal.

* sugestions

1> time for adding replies to each movie make less
2> add whistle for crap like this so that we can flag users that are just wasting ng time and submitting utter shit and stop them or at least teach them a lesson from submitting crap vs quality flash
3> raise the pass / fail rate .. anything under 2.5 is blamed.

that way we have a greater degree of hate / non hate for movies and if somethign truly deservesto make it onto the portal it will get 3/4/5 if something is truly shit it gets 0/1 if its aceptable but you dont believe to your fullest strength that others should have to submit to this type of movie vote 2

-Schlag..

submit a decent flash and i'll judge you fairly

did anyoen see the flashes earler today with the guy

authors coments i'm not giving up till i get turd of the week
was like latex harry potter or something had blob figures 1 motion some sound and whipping ... its these type of submissions that relly egg me into forcing votes very low
no care for there flash or a goal within the flash.

YEt more crap ...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206658
Author's comments:

Short pointless movie of some guy listening to music. Thanks to evil_dog for the music too.

when the authors know themselves that the movies suck and ther just giving us free blam points is ther not somethign we can do to stop them from sumitting ie punish them for there stupidity / arrogence.

if ther was a whistle level for "quote" free blam point flash"
i'd prob have a deity whistle by now

At 12/6/04 07:30 PM, DarkSnipe wrote: OK WHAT THE HELL?

thats so right your the coolest man

At 12/8/04 12:20 PM, Schlaghund wrote: YEt more crap ...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206658
Author's comments:

Short pointless movie of some guy listening to music. Thanks to evil_dog for the music too.

when the authors know themselves that the movies suck and ther just giving us free blam points is ther not somethign we can do to stop them from sumitting ie punish them for there stupidity / arrogence.

if ther was a whistle level for "quote" free blam point flash"
i'd prob have a deity whistle by now

Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

OK this has nothing to do with the subject, but can some one tell me how the hell you get those little strips of animatins or pictures on the bottom of your posts?

someone answer back please.
much oblieged;)

There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points, why should they care who they hurt or help if they're being rewarded either way. I think the solution is to force people to view entries before they are allowed to vote, so maybe they'll feel bad about voting 0 for no reason.

You are the kind of person I was talking about. You only have two scores in your mind and you will probably never change that. On this website there is:
Crap>Kind of crap with effort>Average>Good story, Programming or art>Godly

and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2

- this was taken from another topic stated by wade via ->
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=43270&page=2

anywyas this is exactly what this thread is about and i count of put it more clearly myself

the 0.001% of ng users taht only see black and white

0carp 5 holly crap this person submitted a flash wow there awsome i'm gona vote 5 cause i cant do flash myself

users need to realize taht there is a degreee ie the 0-5 scale on submissions being crap or not ..

to quote wade in a past post from same thread.

You seem resonable and you probably have nothing to worry about. We're most concerned with the people giving something you and I would give a 5, a 0.

Also, we'd rather see something sorta crappy stay on Newgrounds than be deleted, as long as it isn't stolen, malicious, overly offensive or pornographic, and not completely and utter crap. Because it won't HURT anything. If everyone gives stuff like that 2's it won't be on the daily top 5, it won't ever show up again once it's off the TOP 50 most recent, but if you blam it, it might come back again and again, better to let the damn thing through and into the abyss. Then the author can be happy and show it to his friends and try harder on the next one. Go look at some of Tom's early work, like the very first FDA. That probably would get blammed with today's standards. We all start somewhere. Look how Tom has grown since he started. You might BLAM something and discourage a future Tom Fulp!

-Schlag

At 12/8/04 12:08 PM, Schlaghund wrote:

At 12/8/04 10:52 AM, Portal_Diver wrote: I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619

it was submission liek this that made me become a member of the NG to remove shit like this from making it

first there was no point
2nd there was unnessary strobing
3rd it had nothing to do related to the title
4th it was from a member of the star syndacate)

i blamed it at the point where he enterd his username
its just that easy to tell wether something is going ot be good or a waste of ng space.

* sugestions

1> time for adding replies to each movie make less
2> add whistle for crap like this so that we can flag users that are just wasting ng time and submitting utter shit and stop them or at least teach them a lesson from submitting crap vs quality flash
3> raise the pass / fail rate .. anything under 2.5 is blamed.

Do you know what realy burns me up. When I do a review for a crappy flash entry that needs to be blammed and the author writers back "flash by Portal_Diver None" It's like they are moking (sp) those that don't submit flashes even tho their own flash sucks.

At 12/8/04 01:05 PM, GrimMasterDeath wrote:
Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

actually, there is . look at the stuff at the bottem before the "submit" button

What people used to do was they had a program that just gave every movie a 0 so they would have a huge amount of blams and no saves. Since the majority of movies are blams, they were able to get 75-90 blams a day for a month.

At 12/6/04 05:21 PM, BrainClock wrote: This is how it should be. No movie should contain a message like 'vote 5,' or 'legendarey frog sux cock', or any "political" messages that may affect how the viewer will vote.

dude, you can't take away "vote 5". its just not something you cand do to ng. its almost like....well i cant think of anything. but vote 5 is one of them trademark ng things. hell, if we're going to take away vote five, then strawberry clock will henceforth no longer be the king of the portal. how 'bout that ASSHOLE?!

I have to say, after this posting I've seen under judgment movies' scores go up.

What if I only watch half of it? Will that also count? There's some really bad ones, and you can pretty much tell by just watching about 10 seconds of it.

After all this ranting against the Star Syndicate, why must I get the saviour animation for today's daily toon?

Oh well, at least its scored lower than 2, so maybe this topic has helped some users come to their senses. And I'm surely doing my part to get these flashes blammed, as long as they are truly crappy ones, of course.

At 12/8/04 04:23 PM, dictator_of_da_world wrote:

At 12/8/04 01:05 PM, GrimMasterDeath wrote:
Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

actually, there is . look at the stuff at the bottem before the "submit" button

actualy what hes talkign about dictator is when a flash is arleady in the portal and the user has totaly ignored the rules and is submitting flash to give users free blam cause they speent maybe 1 horu or 2 horus on utter crap and have shit like

coment by artist
just blam this its crap

At 12/8/04 05:57 PM, Fizzle wrote:

At 12/8/04 01:49 PM, Schlaghund wrote: and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2

Why, though, would you vote 2 on a movie you are trying to protect? If it is that close to being blammable, shouldn't you just give it a 1, or at the most extreme, a 0? A 2 won't help that movie be saved if it is already borderline. It will only bring it's score down. Three is also a worthless score, because if the movie is worth of protection, shouldn't you give it the highest possible vote to ensure that safety? Even if you do vote 5. the average of the movie will most likely amount to something over 2 or 3. By you giving it a 2, you are only bringing down that score, and helping it get blammed, if other people end up voting in the same range, or below it.

re frizzle

the point is that anything over 2 makes it into the portal anyways what it is saying on yoru behalf is that yes i belive this should make it it deserves to be viewed by others howerver i m not going to give it a 5 and give it the credit a flash that deserves to be on the front page should have

ie if i vote 5 i think its frontpage worthy.
such entries most peole have seen
there she is / dads home
these are 5 worthy

daily flash toons hmm yea i dont think so .. these should jsut not be viewed ... by anyone.
call me a prick call me anti syndocate
i still watch them sometiems i even vote 1 or 2 but i;d be rolling over in my grave if i ever voted 5.. or if there was a gun pointed to my head and my life was at the sake of voting ... no wait i'd probaby still blam it ..

point is a shit submission gets blamed
a submission taht is shit but shoudl be viewed for another 3 min in the portal gets a 1
if you think its an ok flash and the author deserves to have his work on ng vote 2
if its worthy of telling your best buddy to watch it for a laugh vote 3
if its something you would be proud of showing your parents wout having them kick yoru ass for your stupidity vote 4
hell if you want all ng to see it because it fucking kicks ass or has some sort of slobbery yellow slug in it that farts when it exhales vote 5

vote responsibly ...

At 12/8/04 01:49 PM, Schlaghund wrote:

the point is that anything over 2 makes it into the portal anyways what it is saying on yoru behalf is that yes i belive this should make it it deserves to be viewed by others howerver i m not going to give it a 5 and give it the credit a flash that deserves to be on the front page should have

i agree with you, Schlaghund. partially. You see, voting 2, 3 or 4 on a submission that should pass judgment may seem to be the best course of action, but to the person trying to save it, it isnt. i have voted 2 on flashes i thought were not that good but still deserved to pass, only to find out other people really enjoyed it. then i see that i actually lowered the score. If it's really close to borderline, voting 5 can be what saves the flash that you think should pass. Also, voting 1 on a crappy submission can do bad also. if the author(s) voted on it, or some other people gave it ones, than your vote of 1 is going to raise the score and could allow it to pass. But on all passed judgment submissions, VOTE FAIRLY. By voting fairly on the passed submissions, you are doing WAY more good than bad. On some flashes (ecspecially political flashes), someone will vote 0 just because they hate bush or kerry, which is wrong in every way possible. this is why i agree with you partially.

well there is also one other aspect that still needs to be looked at

on average lets look at the ng user ... lets break these into catagories.

those that view flash portal those that view newsgroudns.com

- back in my early days i never would even touch the flash portal i'd log on look at the top 10 on front page and watch the 5 most recent flashes log off. done in reality this is the majority of ng viewers but lets break this down

- flash portal viewers
-authors the people that make um
-voters good / evil/ part of syndacate/ clock crew
auto lames 0/5 voters

the real job of the flash portal viewer is in the view of over 150 voters i think thats the average is the flash worthy of being on newground..
the only real power these users have is yes its gona make it no its not .. from here it goes to stage 2

the flash portal out of "under judgement area"
this is where the real power of ng users comes in. ok so yoru flash has made it .. its either
a> low score has red on it
b> just pased normal color
c> passed high score green color

most people now view the ones with the green as the under jugment had sais yes this is good and we gave it ++ pro marks

now it gets viewed more then others .. if enough other viewers like it .. it now has the ability to receive rewards... if i phone or msn my friend say yea this submission kicks ass vote 5 and he just votes 5 this i believe is what ng is trying to stop.

anywyas it comes down to comon sence.

sorry its late at night and ive been posting on this thread to much .. g'nite all and please for the sake of ng vote fairly

everytime you vote5 god creates a clock

FUCK YOU WADE YOU DELETED MY FUCKING ACCOUNT. 92 2 PARAGRAPH EACH REVIEWS GONE. I FUCKING HATE THIS SITE, OFF TO EBAUMSWORLD.ALL BECAUSE OF 1 FUCKING REVIEW THAT SLIPPED THE RULE LINE A BIT AND YOU DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT I WORKED HARD ON. FUCK YOU FUCK NEWGROUNDS, AND TELL TOM TO SHOVE THAT COPY OF ALIEN HOMINID I BOUGHT UP HIS ASS.

YO, I just found another violation.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206774

It's seams like it'll be a good flash in the future, but so far it's only 5 sec long.

Free blam flash
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206776

Why do people make flashes like this?

Not really sure what is up and realize it being a half hour till the new day I'm coming into it late. But how were 1050 flashes submitted yesterday and what does it say when 950 of them were blammers? Tell me this doesn't smell fishy to anyone else.

Also I vote low, something has to be pretty great to get a 5 from me. You ask no whimpering beg for people to vote fair, vote 5, watch to the end. Here is better idea make something bigger then 50K worth watching to the end, and maybe then when people do vote fair it won't be blammed. If something is honestly like 2 work, but it pisses me off with its sad little cries. Why should I not be allowed to vote 0, it is my perogitive. I don't care if you worked real hard, when I'm constipated I don't crap on a picture frame, crap goes in the shitter no matter how hard I work.
Also some thinks are animated just fine, or relative quality but I don't like the message, genre, ect. again I have the right to blam away. I vote what I feel, just hope I've had lunch already when your might make it might not flash comes on.

My rant and questin posted,
0-I don't want it in the portal(no sound / music / background /semblance of a motive = quick zero)
1-Never use, just seems either it is worth the stay around 2 or it isn't.
2&3- Good enough to stay, and it'll get the bump for creativity or lear effort.
4- Dam good.
5-Front page worthy, usally done by some one who well does this for a living, or something related

Case in point,
this is this
Authors jake pomroy
Origin 12/08/2004 11:49PM EST
Size 5.7Kb
comment
"this is my 2nd flash ever i jus submited one and im jus indin messin round it only took me 5 or ten mins so respect"
I don't really need to see this(though I did at >6k is hard not to) to know I want to blam it, plus lower case I, no capitals, mis spelled and slang words. HOW ABOUT THIS ASS HAT RESPECT NG and not submit till he has something nice to show.
If you can't show a nice flash don't show any at all.

Respect what, you didn't actually submit anything. This is why awhile back I proposed both (go to my profile and look at the bbs to find the long term wicket one, maybe we can get this going for real, and once again if you don't get the idea email me and I'll explain don't go all flame on)
A) A min. file size, something reasonable say 10-50k
B) A long term wicket, not like the current blind vote short wickets. But one that if something is put threw by bad votes we can expell it over time as it disseminates to the greater masses.

At 12/8/04 09:21 PM, mog_ff3 wrote: FUCK YOU WADE YOU DELETED MY FUCKING ACCOUNT. 92 2 PARAGRAPH EACH REVIEWS GONE. I FUCKING HATE THIS SITE, OFF TO EBAUMSWORLD.ALL BECAUSE OF 1 FUCKING REVIEW THAT SLIPPED THE RULE LINE A BIT AND YOU DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT I WORKED HARD ON. FUCK YOU FUCK NEWGROUNDS, AND TELL TOM TO SHOVE THAT COPY OF ALIEN HOMINID I BOUGHT UP HIS ASS.

Well you were only on level 5 so don't moan. We don't need people like you on Newgrounds mog_ff3.
Just because your account was deleted your going to stop playing the copy of Alien Hominid you just bought? That's very sad!