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Anamonator
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Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 08:21:14

A lot of kids and some adults on this platform use flash because they think just because they make an Animation flash, they will get an award and a frontpage because of nostalgia. The majority of people who think that after 2020, make horrible animations in flash and expect them to get awarded and a frontpage because they think they are entitled to one because they use flash.


To get a frontpage or an award, you need to actually but noticeable effort into it and I’ve seen animations made in flash after 2020 get frontpaged and awarded but it’s very rarely that you see a flash animation get frontpaged. But no matter what software you use, you have to put noticeable effort into your work to get recognition.


What do you all think?

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 10:47:15

First time I hear that.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 14:31:49

coz they might

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 16:13:25 (edited 2025-05-14 16:14:26)

At 5/14/25 08:21 AM, Anamonator wrote:A lot of kids and some adults on this platform use flash because they think just because they make an Animation flash, they will get an award and a frontpage because of nostalgia. The majority of people who think that after 2020, make horrible animations in flash and expect them to get awarded and a frontpage because they think they are entitled to one because they use flash.

To get a frontpage or an award, you need to actually but noticeable effort into it and I’ve seen animations made in flash after 2020 get frontpaged and awarded but it’s very rarely that you see a flash animation get frontpaged. But no matter what software you use, you have to put noticeable effort into your work to get recognition.

What do you all think?


yea true, I feel like your entry has to be good enough for people to notice it and vote it for the front page (or to have a good enough score base on the persons taste) , just because the program is nostalgic doesn’t mean people with d ride and vote 5 immediately.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 19:57:27 (edited 2025-05-14 19:57:42)

Here's a news flash: this site used to have turd of the week for worst submission. It encouraged garbage low effort uploads just to get it.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 19:59:43 (edited 2025-05-14 20:01:39)

At 5/14/25 07:57 PM, xeiavica wrote:Here's a news flash: this site used to have turd of the week for worst submission. It encouraged garbage low effort uploads just to get it.


When I was looking at older newgrounds on internet archive, I saw that award. I wish it still existed. (Edit: It does still exist but you can’t get it anymore)


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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-14 21:27:27

So this is really just my take but some people feel they deserve to have their efforts recognized. Not just with Animation but with anything really.


PERSONALLY I wouldn't submit anything under the premise that I expect to get front page. Sometimes I have but most of the time I don't and that's fine! As long as I'm sharing my work that should be the big thing.


Whether or not it's because people feel they've put a lot of effort into it and feel they should have earned it to get recognition and just didn't luck out or the people who don't put in the right effort and think they're perfect enough to have their work be put up there out of arrogance and whine when they don't is another story.


The only way you're going to get recognized for the right reasons is if you post and continue to improve.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 06:10:02

These people should know that the era of flash content is over and now there are countless animation programs. If people want to win a prize with their flash content, they should wait for an underdog of the week. An award given to the movie that may not have had a good rating but had the most number of reviews of the week.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 06:12:51

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 08:18:50

At 5/15/25 06:10 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:These people should know that the era of flash content is over and now there are countless animation programs. If people want to win a prize with their flash content, they should wait for an underdog of the week. An award given to the movie that may not have had a good rating but had the most number of reviews of the week.


I think you're looking at the topic of the thread at face value.


Yes, Flash is now Animate and Flash as we knew it in the 2000's is dead. But what OP is asking is why people expect their creative works in animation, games, or whatever else to get front page. NOT necessarily flash in of itself.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 08:31:05

At 5/15/25 08:18 AM, DioShiba wrote:
At 5/15/25 06:10 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:These people should know that the era of flash content is over and now there are countless animation programs. If people want to win a prize with their flash content, they should wait for an underdog of the week. An award given to the movie that may not have had a good rating but had the most number of reviews of the week.

I think you're looking at the topic of the thread at face value.

Yes, Flash is now Animate and Flash as we knew it in the 2000's is dead. But what OP is asking is why people expect their creative works in animation, games, or whatever else to get front page. NOT necessarily flash in of itself.


Oh yeah. To give a better answer, people do this because many flash movies like "shapes" have appeared on the front page and have also earned daily picks. All people want are trophies but they need to understand that they need to put in more effort and practice more. Only then will they win a trophie.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 09:18:54

At 5/15/25 08:31 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:
At 5/15/25 08:18 AM, DioShiba wrote:
At 5/15/25 06:10 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:These people should know that the era of flash content is over and now there are countless animation programs. If people want to win a prize with their flash content, they should wait for an underdog of the week. An award given to the movie that may not have had a good rating but had the most number of reviews of the week.

I think you're looking at the topic of the thread at face value.

Yes, Flash is now Animate and Flash as we knew it in the 2000's is dead. But what OP is asking is why people expect their creative works in animation, games, or whatever else to get front page. NOT necessarily flash in of itself.

Oh yeah. To give a better answer, people do this because many flash movies like "shapes" have appeared on the front page and have also earned daily picks. All people want are trophies but they need to understand that they need to put in more effort and practice more. Only then will they win a trophie.


And that's the issue I have with people at a cultural level. Most would rather forsake the enjoyment of the process in favor of the result.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 10:18:40

At 5/15/25 09:18 AM, DioShiba wrote:
At 5/15/25 08:31 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:
At 5/15/25 08:18 AM, DioShiba wrote:
At 5/15/25 06:10 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:These people should know that the era of flash content is over and now there are countless animation programs. If people want to win a prize with their flash content, they should wait for an underdog of the week. An award given to the movie that may not have had a good rating but had the most number of reviews of the week.

I think you're looking at the topic of the thread at face value.

Yes, Flash is now Animate and Flash as we knew it in the 2000's is dead. But what OP is asking is why people expect their creative works in animation, games, or whatever else to get front page. NOT necessarily flash in of itself.

Oh yeah. To give a better answer, people do this because many flash movies like "shapes" have appeared on the front page and have also earned daily picks. All people want are trophies but they need to understand that they need to put in more effort and practice more. Only then will they win a trophie.

And that's the issue I have with people at a cultural level. Most would rather forsake the enjoyment of the process in favor of the result.

Blame social media and the "everyone gets an award" mentality.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 10:35:19 (edited 2025-05-15 10:50:12)

I still use a 20 year old version of Flash. The difference is that I know it's just another animation program and that I'd need to put in roughly the same amount of effort, creativity, and polish as someone who uses Toom Boom Harmony, of even modern Animate for that matter.


Factors like proper art styles and fundamentals* can be learned and practiced independently of what program you use.


The movie needs to hold up on its own, otherwise it's just a novelty.


*edit: Forgot to mention timing, writing, narrative, and sound design, but my point still stands.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 10:41:24

At 5/15/25 10:35 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:I still use a 20 year old version of Flash. The difference is that I know it's just another animation program and that I'd need to put in roughly the same amount of effort, creativity, and polish as someone who uses Toom Boom Harmony, of even modern Animate for that matter.

Factors like proper art styles and fundamentals can be learned and practiced independently of what program you use.

The movie needs to hold up on its own, otherwise it's just a novelty.


In other words, there's no point in having a good animation program if you don't animate well.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 10:42:22 (edited 2025-05-15 10:43:34)

At 5/15/25 10:35 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:I still use a 20 year old version of Flash. The difference is that I know it's just another animation program and that I'd need to put in roughly the same amount of effort, creativity, and polish as someone who uses Toom Boom Harmony, of even modern Animate for that matter.

Factors like proper art styles and fundamentals can be learned and practiced independently of what program you use.

The movie needs to hold up on its own, otherwise it's just a novelty.


Case in point: @BoiledMilkz. He's developed an art style that while not the most professional, it still has its charms, and those come regardless of what version of Flash the animation was made in.


Whereas most of the Flash creators OP is talking about tend to copy Eddsworld or some other popular flash artist from yesteryear.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 11:40:17

Prolly cuz it works on other sites due to nostalgia bait

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 13:35:40

At 5/15/25 10:42 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:
At 5/15/25 10:35 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:I still use a 20 year old version of Flash. The difference is that I know it's just another animation program and that I'd need to put in roughly the same amount of effort, creativity, and polish as someone who uses Toom Boom Harmony, of even modern Animate for that matter.

Factors like proper art styles and fundamentals can be learned and practiced independently of what program you use.

The movie needs to hold up on its own, otherwise it's just a novelty.

Case in point: @BoiledMilkz. He's developed an art style that while not the most professional, it still has its charms, and those come regardless of what version of Flash the animation was made in.

Whereas most of the Flash creators OP is talking about tend to copy Eddsworld or some other popular flash artist from yesteryear.

How can you truly avoid 'copying' a certain style in flash. When you're significantly limited into how detailed you can be in the first place?

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 14:40:13 (edited 2025-05-15 14:44:50)

At 5/15/25 01:35 PM, xeiavica wrote:
At 5/15/25 10:42 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:
At 5/15/25 10:35 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:I still use a 20 year old version of Flash. The difference is that I know it's just another animation program and that I'd need to put in roughly the same amount of effort, creativity, and polish as someone who uses Toom Boom Harmony, of even modern Animate for that matter.

Factors like proper art styles and fundamentals can be learned and practiced independently of what program you use.

The movie needs to hold up on its own, otherwise it's just a novelty.

Case in point: @BoiledMilkz. He's developed an art style that while not the most professional, it still has its charms, and those come regardless of what version of Flash the animation was made in.

Whereas most of the Flash creators OP is talking about tend to copy Eddsworld or some other popular flash artist from yesteryear.
How can you truly avoid 'copying' a certain style in flash. When you're significantly limited into how detailed you can be in the first place?


Simple answer: Just develop your own style.

Long answer: Look at other cartoon styles for reference, understand different styles and how they work, and how they can be applied to your animations.

Understand the specific limitations and figure out how to make it work within them, or beat them entirely.


For example, this old man's head. Done completely in Flash 8.

1- Can anyone identify which style (or styles I probably got inspired by when making this?

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Another example, (also Flash 8, unfinished from ~2 years ago)

In terms of lineart, I managed to beat the limitation.

Zoom in, smoothing, erasing, any tool available can be used to distort lines after I've already drawn them.

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Be aware of miniature errors like these that can come from using the paint bucket.

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Smooth shading: Can't do that, but lots of cartoons and anime use flat shading because it's quicker anyway. Use a bitmap art program if you want to learn shading. Use the bitmaps for backgrounds if you need smooth shading.

But if you don't, it's mostly doable with older Flash versions. Some examples from the Art Portal of stuff that could be recreated with a vector program or Flash:


Doable. The texture at the back may need to be a bitmap texture, but could be vectorised.


Probably, if you ignore the filter.


Doable. It's all black and white with no grainy textures or shading.


Definitely


Might have some trouble getting the YouTube window to align, but otherwise definitely. Maybe the light shading on the plush can be ignored. You get the idea.

Point is, there's a lot of things that also don't use advanced shading, but still look badass.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 15:30:20

At 5/15/25 08:31 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:
At 5/15/25 08:18 AM, DioShiba wrote:
At 5/15/25 06:10 AM, Simoes1000 wrote:These people should know that the era of flash content is over and now there are countless animation programs. If people want to win a prize with their flash content, they should wait for an underdog of the week. An award given to the movie that may not have had a good rating but had the most number of reviews of the week.

I think you're looking at the topic of the thread at face value.

Yes, Flash is now Animate and Flash as we knew it in the 2000's is dead. But what OP is asking is why people expect their creative works in animation, games, or whatever else to get front page. NOT necessarily flash in of itself.

Oh yeah. To give a better answer, people do this because many flash movies like "shapes" have appeared on the front page and have also earned daily picks. All people want are trophies but they need to understand that they need to put in more effort and practice more. Only then will they win a trophie.


You can say all you want about effort and animation quality.



But some people will simply rather watch something with a good comedic or dramatic delivery, instead of a proffesional looking expertly animated snooze-fest.


Cause these crappily animated shape skits, gave me a propper good old chuckle, and actually had me invested in the dramatic bits.

Wich is often times, a thing that the bigger and better looking projects, often fail to do down the road, with all of the serious work being put into it.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 18:02:27

At 5/14/25 07:57 PM, xeiavica wrote:Here's a news flash: this site used to have turd of the week for worst submission. It encouraged garbage low effort uploads just to get it.


Basically being blammed is now the turd of the 10 minutes

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 19:56:47

I try hard. Not for front page just cause I’m curious about pushing subtle stuff in animation currently.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-15 20:00:18 (edited 2025-05-15 20:01:01)

At 5/15/25 07:56 PM, Luis wrote:I try hard. Not for front page just cause I’m curious about pushing subtle stuff in animation currently.


Yeah you actually try very hard with your animations luis. You've used flash for years and you're obviously very comfortable using that software. I'm mainly talking about new comers to animation and flash itself.

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They want their internet points and updoots. They require that 30 seconds of fame to not start to cry about it.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-16 06:54:19

Speculating by proxy can only take us so far. If I was you, I'd ask the people in question.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-16 07:17:27

At 5/14/25 08:21 AM, Anamonator wrote:A lot of kids and some adults on this platform use flash because they think just because they make an Animation flash, they will get an award and a frontpage because of nostalgia. The majority of people who think that after 2020, make horrible animations in flash and expect them to get awarded and a frontpage because they think they are entitled to one because they use flash.

To get a frontpage or an award, you need to actually but noticeable effort into it and I’ve seen animations made in flash after 2020 get frontpage and awarded but it’s very rarely that you see a flash animation get frontpage. But no matter what software you use, you have to put noticeable effort into your work to get recognition.

What do you all think?


Pretty much.


They fully believe that if you make one animation (no matter how bad), should be on front page ASAP and they should be treated better than the users that never contributed (like games, music and art) to the site.


It's an good ambition, but not everyone's first content on NG isn't 100% a master piece.

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Make something pleasing to you.

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Response to Why do people think just because they make a flash animation, they will get a frontpage 2025-05-16 10:46:51

I think because in recent years, people working on animation is a bit too few and far between compared to what the portal was like decades ago. It's a goal, sure enough but honestly, if your making something because it's fun and posting it because you feel it might make other people laugh or whatever, whatever happens once it's in the portal is merely a little bonus (a little graphic of a trophy isnt supposed to be taken that seriously, just something to be proud of). I've seen a few people back in the day obsess over trying to make front page to the point it got ugly pretty quickly, like making cheap shots at other creators.

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From my experience, it's just kids. Specifically eddsworld fans. Which includes me. Five years ago I used be just like this, tracing eddsworld ref sheets to put my characters in the show as a sorta au. I even knew a few other people who did the same. Some still do. Or at least are massively inspired by Edds work. Reason I'm pointing this out is because when I was making the au 5 or 6 years ago I wanted to use flash cause I saw Edd use it. I saw some old live streams of his archived and I just copied his methods and I figured "If I can upload flash animations I can be just like Edd."


I was a dumb kid and I didn't know any better. You look at my art now and then and you still see a bit of that Eddsworld-ish look but I think I got better. They just need time to improve and realize that it ain't that easy.


Another thing to note is things that often get front page or daily is completely random. One day you can upload something no one seas and it gets ignored while a bigger more popular artist uploads a dumb shitpost drawing and it gets frontpage instantly. Then again that's just the internet.

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Because people who weren't even alive back when Flash animation was at its peak have completely subverted the culture and general quality standards of this website to the point where exactly what you've just described is an actual valid strategy to gain attention. I've seen so many younger users on here acting like shitty low-effort Flash animation was the standard rewarded content back in the day, but it just wasn't. The few shitty Flashes that did get attention and rise to prominance stand out among the crowd because they were exceptionally shit and got attention against all odds because they had some small detail that made them funny, or they just slipped through the tight net of quality control which was a funny novelty in and of itself due to how rarely it happened. There was a lot of garbage, but the majority of stuff that got frontpaged years ago was insanely high quality for its time.


I don't know how or why this happens, but zoomers and generation alpha people seem to have this sort of faux-nostalgia for millenial and gen x aesthetics in general but they completely fail to grasp the context that came along with it so it just falls flat almost every single time. I'm not trying to shit on them or anything, but I'm really getting tired of the whole "Y2K/90's aesthetic" shit I see plastered everywhere online lately. I literally grew up in this era myself, but I have kids trying to tell me what it was like back then when they were barely conscious or not even born yet. It's tiring.


That said, maybe I'm just a miserable old prick and looking at shit through rose tinted glasses. Maybe everything was shit and I'm misremembering it due to being senile or something.

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