i didn't join the site proper until i was 16, thankfully.
..buuuut i was playing castle crashers with my younger brothers when i was about 7. whoops.
I don't like living in this timeline. Why does privacy have to be such a fantasy thing? I feel like Ellis Redding at the end of Shawshank redemption. Privacy is something I could talk about a lot; I'm not sure that would be the most suitable thing to do in this forum however. I think that one day during my lifetime it will feel normal to have surveillance in our homes, and people have smartphones so in a way it's already like that. ("I don't care about privacy since I've got nothing to hide")
On the topic of pm images; it feels a bit harsh to limit it to supporters. It would feel a bit more fair to say one month of supporter status may grant unlimited permission to send images in pms. I do understand the concern, I have seen some things myself at a young age (specifically targeted at young people..) that I wish I didn't. People will be people.
Another possible solution could be limiting the ability to send images in pms to accounts that are like 3 month old or something; that could be somewhat circumvented however by mass creating accounts.
I wonder if algorithms could be used to recognise all common shock images and instantly ban the offender for sending them
HeroPapaya~
i just hope that this doesn't affect me being pretty close of have 15 years, but, i can perfectly understand why are you doing it.
At 1/30/25 07:59 AM, Anamonator wrote:At 1/29/25 04:08 PM, Anamonator wrote:At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:Word of advice and word to the wise: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS.
Sorry to sound generalizing but I lost count of how many kids and teenagers I've seen who were stupid enough to reveal their actual age and even if it's an adult pretending to be a kid that's problematic for other reasons.
I think that revealing your real age will stop weird people from interacting with minors because now when the minor exposes the pedo, the pedo has no excuse to lie. Therefore, the pedos will think twice before sexting minors on NG
Basically what I mean by this is that the adult can’t get away with saying that they didn’t know the minor’s when they pm them and groom them. Therefore this could stop pedophiles on Newgrounds. (I’m trying to make sense but could someone sum this up better so it makes sense because it’s not making sense to some people)
Except the problem is a pedo, an actual pedo doesn't just have to rely on newgrounds to exploit a minor. Hell it takes one server on a discord and they still can do what you would expect them to do.
Do not get me wrong, I think the changes on Newgrounds directly can help curb the problematic creepers from contacting minors. However, it is not fool proof because users also have their own individual servers that they are ultimately responsible for moderating those interactions unless through discord DM.
Its a larger problem that goes beyond the boundaries of Newgrounds and that's where some level of vigilence still need be applied.
Just to be clear, everyone here is on the same page as you are but we also have to approach these things realistically.
At 1/30/25 07:51 AM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 02:34 AM, EuropeanRat wrote:I think you screwed up some code for the mobile frontpage.
(can you see whats missing? super cool find the difference hehe)
I haven't been able to recreate this on my end. What mobile OS / browser are you using? Anyone else seeing this?
Chrome Canary (latest version, i just checked), Android 14, on a Xiaomi Redmi A3
Edit: me so dumb to forget browser grr
At 1/30/25 08:25 AM, liljim wrote:What exactly are you both pointing out (or not) here?
At the top, there is mostly a banner with a link to literally anything, mostly featured movies/games but it also contained the banner to the once upon a time kickstarter.
It should show the banner for "Die for the lich", but it doesn't appear
At 1/30/25 08:25 AM, liljim wrote:At 1/30/25 07:56 AM, Anamonator wrote:At 1/30/25 07:51 AM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 02:34 AM, EuropeanRat wrote:I think you screwed up some code for the mobile frontpage.
(can you see whats missing? super cool find the difference hehe)
I haven't been able to recreate this on my end. What mobile OS / browser are you using? Anyone else seeing this?
the same thing is happening on my end and I’m on iOS
What exactly are you both pointing out (or not) here?
the featured front page banner is gone
Protecting the Portal Since 2024
I am not related to Wegra. Its just a joke.
At 1/30/25 09:26 AM, EuropeanRat wrote:At 1/30/25 08:25 AM, liljim wrote:What exactly are you both pointing out (or not) here?
At the top, there is mostly a banner with a link to literally anything, mostly featured movies/games but it also contained the banner to the once upon a time kickstarter.
It should show the banner for "Die for the lich", but it doesn't appear
Oh, I thought you were pointing out the Supporter banner on the page. Die for the lich isn't showing up on mobile because it's not mobile-friendly. Ideally we'd promote the Kickstarter there instead but the current system doesn't allow for an alternative banner.
At 1/30/25 09:46 AM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 09:26 AM, EuropeanRat wrote:At 1/30/25 08:25 AM, liljim wrote:What exactly are you both pointing out (or not) here?
At the top, there is mostly a banner with a link to literally anything, mostly featured movies/games but it also contained the banner to the once upon a time kickstarter.
It should show the banner for "Die for the lich", but it doesn't appear
Oh, I thought you were pointing out the Supporter banner on the page. Die for the lich isn't showing up on mobile because it's not mobile-friendly. Ideally we'd promote the Kickstarter there instead but the current system doesn't allow for an alternative banner.
fair enough
Protecting the Portal Since 2024
I am not related to Wegra. Its just a joke.
At 1/30/25 08:44 AM, DioShiba wrote:At 1/30/25 07:59 AM, Anamonator wrote:At 1/29/25 04:08 PM, Anamonator wrote:At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:Word of advice and word to the wise: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS.
Sorry to sound generalizing but I lost count of how many kids and teenagers I've seen who were stupid enough to reveal their actual age and even if it's an adult pretending to be a kid that's problematic for other reasons.
I think that revealing your real age will stop weird people from interacting with minors because now when the minor exposes the pedo, the pedo has no excuse to lie. Therefore, the pedos will think twice before sexting minors on NG
Basically what I mean by this is that the adult can’t get away with saying that they didn’t know the minor’s when they pm them and groom them. Therefore this could stop pedophiles on Newgrounds. (I’m trying to make sense but could someone sum this up better so it makes sense because it’s not making sense to some people)
Except the problem is a pedo, an actual pedo doesn't just have to rely on newgrounds to exploit a minor. Hell it takes one server on a discord and they still can do what you would expect them to do.
Do not get me wrong, I think the changes on Newgrounds directly can help curb the problematic creepers from contacting minors. However, it is not fool proof because users also have their own individual servers that they are ultimately responsible for moderating those interactions unless through discord DM.
Its a larger problem that goes beyond the boundaries of Newgrounds and that's where some level of vigilence still need be applied.
Just to be clear, everyone here is on the same page as you are but we also have to approach these things realistically.
I understand completely. I need to be more educated on this topic.
Protecting the Portal Since 2024
I am not related to Wegra. Its just a joke.
I know im not place to talk now since i paid for the supporter role, but with the images going only for supporters due to all the gore.
"This is why we can't have nice things".
At 1/30/25 08:35 AM, HeroPapaya wrote:I don't like living in this timeline. Why does privacy have to be such a fantasy thing? I feel like Ellis Redding at the end of Shawshank redemption. Privacy is something I could talk about a lot; I'm not sure that would be the most suitable thing to do in this forum however. I think that one day during my lifetime it will feel normal to have surveillance in our homes, and people have smartphones so in a way it's already like that. ("I don't care about privacy since I've got nothing to hide")
On the topic of pm images; it feels a bit harsh to limit it to supporters. It would feel a bit more fair to say one month of supporter status may grant unlimited permission to send images in pms. I do understand the concern, I have seen some things myself at a young age (specifically targeted at young people..) that I wish I didn't. People will be people.
Another possible solution could be limiting the ability to send images in pms to accounts that are like 3 month old or something; that could be somewhat circumvented however by mass creating accounts.
I wonder if algorithms could be used to recognise all common shock images and instantly ban the offender for sending them
an algorithm would NOT be ideal because:
1) high risk of false positives (just browse the audio appeal thread while ignoring the kids who want to add copyrighted music to geometry dash to see what i'm talking about)
2) artists who draw gore and people who commission gore images from them exist in this site and may want/need to use the DM system for reference sharing and/or feedback requesting. imagine 2 horror artists share images of nasty injuries to use as a reference for how to better draw their monsters. do those people deserve to get a ban for trading references with each other, even if they would never send unrequested gore to anyone?
that said, i agree with the other things you said. maybe after you've been a supporter for X months you get a free pass to send images? though demanding to be an active supporter helps sustain the site...
I don't like the laws and I don't like the change. I think they're bad.
At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:This month we raised the minimum sign-up age to 14 and we intend to gradually raise it this year until we settle on 16 as the minimum age. […] If you are an artist who was hoping to participate on NG but are too young, please keep honing your craft, we look forward to seeing you here some day!
In a way it's sensible, in another way I'm going to miss seeing the younger creators around.
I would have never become a game developer if I hadn't played a ton of Flash web games around the age of twelve and up and thought, “Hey, this game doesn't seem too complex, I want to learn how to do that, too.” and started fiddling with GameMaker. Creating a barely playable mess, but with my own crazy ideas I wanted to show to everybody. To this day whenever I see a kid post a flawed maze or platformer game in Scratch I want to say something encouraging and give tips to make them feel seen. Especially if I can see the passion behind it.
Because unlike let's say itch.io (where the beginner experience is publishing a project to zero views and comments), Newgrounds is one of those unique places where game developers of any level of skill do get some engagement and feedback almost every time.
I hope those who begin learning to develop games early and discover this site will stick around, continue their passion and we'll see them make their accounts here eventually.
I hate that governments run by old people, who don't know how the internet works, try to impliment laws that make things very difficult for people trying to take part, or run websites.
Thanks for keeping on top of things Tom!
At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
Nuegronds
At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
At 1/30/25 01:40 PM, Ralix wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:This month we raised the minimum sign-up age to 14 and we intend to gradually raise it this year until we settle on 16 as the minimum age. […] If you are an artist who was hoping to participate on NG but are too young, please keep honing your craft, we look forward to seeing you here some day!
In a way it's sensible, in another way I'm going to miss seeing the younger creators around.
I would have never become a game developer if I hadn't played a ton of Flash web games around the age of twelve and up and thought, “Hey, this game doesn't seem too complex, I want to learn how to do that, too.” and started fiddling with GameMaker. Creating a barely playable mess, but with my own crazy ideas I wanted to show to everybody. To this day whenever I see a kid post a flawed maze or platformer game in Scratch I want to say something encouraging and give tips to make them feel seen. Especially if I can see the passion behind it.
Because unlike let's say itch.io (where the beginner experience is publishing a project to zero views and comments), Newgrounds is one of those unique places where game developers of any level of skill do get some engagement and feedback almost every time.
I hope those who begin learning to develop games early and discover this site will stick around, continue their passion and we'll see them make their accounts here eventually.
I'll still be around until further notice
Protecting the Portal Since 2024
I am not related to Wegra. Its just a joke.
At 1/30/25 02:33 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
Nuegronds
At 1/29/25 10:04 AM, Piss wrote:I started using Newgrounds when I was 8. Sorry, Tom.
Ditto, I had the chance once to look him in the eyes and say "don't worry Tom, I turned out just fine" but I was lying. Newgrounds totally made me weird.
At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/30/25 02:33 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
Unless you are using a VPN, your IP address gives away your location with enough accuracy to know in which country and city you are. Some sites also use your installed keyboard languages (TikTok and Google Maps open in Japanese for me). Others just use your location data if it's available and you provide it.
At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
We'll have to do IP lookups and assign countries (even states) to individual accounts. Another example of how more regulation leads to less privacy!
At 1/30/25 03:55 PM, cyangorilla wrote:At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/30/25 02:33 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
Unless you are using a VPN, your IP address gives away your location with enough accuracy to know in which country and city you are. Some sites also use your installed keyboard languages (TikTok and Google Maps open in Japanese for me). Others just use your location data if it's available and you provide it.
That's if they want to decide that with your ip. Pixiv let's you choose the country you are from, it can be decided by just where you say where you are from on your account.
At 1/30/25 04:37 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
We'll have to do IP lookups and assign countries (even states) to individual accounts. Another example of how more regulation leads to less privacy!
I bet that’s a pain in the ass for you isn’t it Tom
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I am not related to Wegra. Its just a joke.
At 1/30/25 04:38 PM, wlimy wrote:That's if they want to decide that with your ip. Pixiv let's you choose the country you are from, it can be decided by just where you say where you are from on your account.
If that law will allow for that then I'm down for that, I have a feeling they will say that's not enough though.
At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp sort of wrote:
We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Stupidity Act.
Hey Tom, this is a great incentive to become a supporter especially because I don't think sending images via PM is that necessary (or is it? I don't know). Like, how popular is it really to send images? Do most of us really need that? I think it's cool to keep this as a suporter only feature because of it. But I am nowhere near as active as most users here, so I don't know, I am just trying to imagine
Regardless of this, the only reason you are setting this requirement is to minimize bad actors and make moderation easier. So, I was thinking that it doesn't have to be a supporter only feature. Accounts that had been *active* on the site for very long could be trusted to not send these images (ACTIVE only otherwise this is easy to bypass with alt accounts), but I think the most fun way to acquire the privilege to send images is for the feature to be unlocked for people with a high rank. I am not sure how ranks work but hopefully this is a good suggestion you can at least consider :)
At 1/30/25 04:47 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 04:38 PM, wlimy wrote:That's if they want to decide that with your ip. Pixiv let's you choose the country you are from, it can be decided by just where you say where you are from on your account.
If that law will allow for that then I'm down for that, I have a feeling they will say that's not enough though.
Oh I am confident they will for now!
They will fail to consider that. Telling you specifically how you have to determine the age can be more legalities and delays
At 1/30/25 06:01 AM, Cyberdevil wrote:At 1/30/25 05:51 AM, xeiavica wrote:What happened to small government? It was here a minute ago. I don't remember throwing it.
I hadn't even heard that term actually... wonder if we've really had any small governments during my lifetime, feels like everything's been getting progressively more and more intrusive, and regulated, more and more instances of control developed under the pretenses of progress, integrity and safety. Even if it's all done with good intent bureaucracy has a tendency to compound, and the reasons for cumulative regulation muddle.
We could probably use some kind of societal reset, like the Mayans used to practice. Every few centuries just burn everything down and start anew; begone all old, outdated non-serving dogmas and customs...
There never was "small government," it was just a tagline used by republicans to paint an image of a government run by the good-old-boys. I'm kind of surprised you've never heard a conservative go on about how a government should be small enough to have absolutely no effect on our lives but big enough to tell gay people they can't get married. A government should be small enough to not have the power to take away our guns but big enough to supply all our police with military gear and weapons. "Small government" has been used by conservatives in the US as a subversive talking point for at least the last 50 years. The only time in our history we had anything resembling a "small government" was at the start when we had a much smaller country anyways and the only people that could vote were white land owning males.
I also like the phrase "constitutional originalist" because everyone seems to forget that part where white land owning males had all the power. Clarence Thomas claims to be a constitutional originalist, which is probably the most entertaining fact about his political views. Sorry if I displayed any political bias in my response but I really find the term "small government" an annoyingly deceptive phrase.
At 1/30/25 08:03 AM, cyangorilla wrote:Hah, kids will start taking their parents' phones for porn.
We've gone all the way back to getting an older dude to buy you alcohol.
With how shitty governments are protecting citizen data, these messy regulations will promote the market of identity theft to a new level. I might just end up renewing my national ID card every year just so the old one isn't valid anymore.
It's so ridiculous. Sites that adhere to these rules will suffer and kids who try to watch porn will find it in the shadiest places where the law don't shine (torrent, xyz sites, etc).
this; this is exact reason why I concern about these ID law
