I know im not place to talk now since i paid for the supporter role, but with the images going only for supporters due to all the gore.
"This is why we can't have nice things".
At 1/30/25 08:35 AM, HeroPapaya wrote:I don't like living in this timeline. Why does privacy have to be such a fantasy thing? I feel like Ellis Redding at the end of Shawshank redemption. Privacy is something I could talk about a lot; I'm not sure that would be the most suitable thing to do in this forum however. I think that one day during my lifetime it will feel normal to have surveillance in our homes, and people have smartphones so in a way it's already like that. ("I don't care about privacy since I've got nothing to hide")
On the topic of pm images; it feels a bit harsh to limit it to supporters. It would feel a bit more fair to say one month of supporter status may grant unlimited permission to send images in pms. I do understand the concern, I have seen some things myself at a young age (specifically targeted at young people..) that I wish I didn't. People will be people.
Another possible solution could be limiting the ability to send images in pms to accounts that are like 3 month old or something; that could be somewhat circumvented however by mass creating accounts.
I wonder if algorithms could be used to recognise all common shock images and instantly ban the offender for sending them
an algorithm would NOT be ideal because:
1) high risk of false positives (just browse the audio appeal thread while ignoring the kids who want to add copyrighted music to geometry dash to see what i'm talking about)
2) artists who draw gore and people who commission gore images from them exist in this site and may want/need to use the DM system for reference sharing and/or feedback requesting. imagine 2 horror artists share images of nasty injuries to use as a reference for how to better draw their monsters. do those people deserve to get a ban for trading references with each other, even if they would never send unrequested gore to anyone?
that said, i agree with the other things you said. maybe after you've been a supporter for X months you get a free pass to send images? though demanding to be an active supporter helps sustain the site...
I don't like the laws and I don't like the change. I think they're bad.
At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:This month we raised the minimum sign-up age to 14 and we intend to gradually raise it this year until we settle on 16 as the minimum age. […] If you are an artist who was hoping to participate on NG but are too young, please keep honing your craft, we look forward to seeing you here some day!
In a way it's sensible, in another way I'm going to miss seeing the younger creators around.
I would have never become a game developer if I hadn't played a ton of Flash web games around the age of twelve and up and thought, “Hey, this game doesn't seem too complex, I want to learn how to do that, too.” and started fiddling with GameMaker. Creating a barely playable mess, but with my own crazy ideas I wanted to show to everybody. To this day whenever I see a kid post a flawed maze or platformer game in Scratch I want to say something encouraging and give tips to make them feel seen. Especially if I can see the passion behind it.
Because unlike let's say itch.io (where the beginner experience is publishing a project to zero views and comments), Newgrounds is one of those unique places where game developers of any level of skill do get some engagement and feedback almost every time.
I hope those who begin learning to develop games early and discover this site will stick around, continue their passion and we'll see them make their accounts here eventually.
I hate that governments run by old people, who don't know how the internet works, try to impliment laws that make things very difficult for people trying to take part, or run websites.
Thanks for keeping on top of things Tom!
At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
Note: I don't condone Augusto Pinochet's or Ion Antonescu's actions. I like naming my villainous (or flat out evil) OCs after evil historical figures.
At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
At 1/30/25 01:40 PM, Ralix wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:This month we raised the minimum sign-up age to 14 and we intend to gradually raise it this year until we settle on 16 as the minimum age. […] If you are an artist who was hoping to participate on NG but are too young, please keep honing your craft, we look forward to seeing you here some day!
In a way it's sensible, in another way I'm going to miss seeing the younger creators around.
I would have never become a game developer if I hadn't played a ton of Flash web games around the age of twelve and up and thought, “Hey, this game doesn't seem too complex, I want to learn how to do that, too.” and started fiddling with GameMaker. Creating a barely playable mess, but with my own crazy ideas I wanted to show to everybody. To this day whenever I see a kid post a flawed maze or platformer game in Scratch I want to say something encouraging and give tips to make them feel seen. Especially if I can see the passion behind it.
Because unlike let's say itch.io (where the beginner experience is publishing a project to zero views and comments), Newgrounds is one of those unique places where game developers of any level of skill do get some engagement and feedback almost every time.
I hope those who begin learning to develop games early and discover this site will stick around, continue their passion and we'll see them make their accounts here eventually.
I'll still be around until further notice
Currently working on a cartoon this summer. Stay tuned I guess. Heh.
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At 1/30/25 02:33 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
Note: I don't condone Augusto Pinochet's or Ion Antonescu's actions. I like naming my villainous (or flat out evil) OCs after evil historical figures.
At 1/29/25 10:04 AM, Piss wrote:I started using Newgrounds when I was 8. Sorry, Tom.
Ditto, I had the chance once to look him in the eyes and say "don't worry Tom, I turned out just fine" but I was lying. Newgrounds totally made me weird.
At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/30/25 02:33 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
Unless you are using a VPN, your IP address gives away your location with enough accuracy to know in which country and city you are. Some sites also use your installed keyboard languages (TikTok and Google Maps open in Japanese for me). Others just use your location data if it's available and you provide it.
At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
We'll have to do IP lookups and assign countries (even states) to individual accounts. Another example of how more regulation leads to less privacy!
At 1/30/25 03:55 PM, cyangorilla wrote:At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/30/25 02:33 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 01:59 PM, Hoppio wrote:At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:If you live in the UK there is more excitement on the way. Starting in July, we will be required to verify your age in order to toggle the Adult filter. There is currently no way we can do this without charging you money and we’re not keen to do that via Paypal or Stripe. Ideally a better option will arrive in the months ahead, such as a UK digital ID that we can check for free.
I don't live in the UK, does this apply to everyone or only for British users?
This current announcement is just concerning people in the UK but other this could happen in other places as well, based on how things progress with legislation.
How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
Unless you are using a VPN, your IP address gives away your location with enough accuracy to know in which country and city you are. Some sites also use your installed keyboard languages (TikTok and Google Maps open in Japanese for me). Others just use your location data if it's available and you provide it.
That's if they want to decide that with your ip. Pixiv let's you choose the country you are from, it can be decided by just where you say where you are from on your account.
At 1/30/25 04:37 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 02:58 PM, Hoppio wrote:How does the website know if they live in a country that requires said age verification though?
We'll have to do IP lookups and assign countries (even states) to individual accounts. Another example of how more regulation leads to less privacy!
I bet that’s a pain in the ass for you isn’t it Tom
Currently working on a cartoon this summer. Stay tuned I guess. Heh.
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At 1/30/25 04:38 PM, wlimy wrote:That's if they want to decide that with your ip. Pixiv let's you choose the country you are from, it can be decided by just where you say where you are from on your account.
If that law will allow for that then I'm down for that, I have a feeling they will say that's not enough though.
At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp sort of wrote:
We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Stupidity Act.
Hey Tom, this is a great incentive to become a supporter especially because I don't think sending images via PM is that necessary (or is it? I don't know). Like, how popular is it really to send images? Do most of us really need that? I think it's cool to keep this as a suporter only feature because of it. But I am nowhere near as active as most users here, so I don't know, I am just trying to imagine
Regardless of this, the only reason you are setting this requirement is to minimize bad actors and make moderation easier. So, I was thinking that it doesn't have to be a supporter only feature. Accounts that had been *active* on the site for very long could be trusted to not send these images (ACTIVE only otherwise this is easy to bypass with alt accounts), but I think the most fun way to acquire the privilege to send images is for the feature to be unlocked for people with a high rank. I am not sure how ranks work but hopefully this is a good suggestion you can at least consider :)
At 1/30/25 04:47 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 1/30/25 04:38 PM, wlimy wrote:That's if they want to decide that with your ip. Pixiv let's you choose the country you are from, it can be decided by just where you say where you are from on your account.
If that law will allow for that then I'm down for that, I have a feeling they will say that's not enough though.
Oh I am confident they will for now!
They will fail to consider that. Telling you specifically how you have to determine the age can be more legalities and delays
At 1/30/25 06:01 AM, Cyberdevil wrote:At 1/30/25 05:51 AM, xeiavica wrote:What happened to small government? It was here a minute ago. I don't remember throwing it.
I hadn't even heard that term actually... wonder if we've really had any small governments during my lifetime, feels like everything's been getting progressively more and more intrusive, and regulated, more and more instances of control developed under the pretenses of progress, integrity and safety. Even if it's all done with good intent bureaucracy has a tendency to compound, and the reasons for cumulative regulation muddle.
We could probably use some kind of societal reset, like the Mayans used to practice. Every few centuries just burn everything down and start anew; begone all old, outdated non-serving dogmas and customs...
There never was "small government," it was just a tagline used by republicans to paint an image of a government run by the good-old-boys. I'm kind of surprised you've never heard a conservative go on about how a government should be small enough to have absolutely no effect on our lives but big enough to tell gay people they can't get married. A government should be small enough to not have the power to take away our guns but big enough to supply all our police with military gear and weapons. "Small government" has been used by conservatives in the US as a subversive talking point for at least the last 50 years. The only time in our history we had anything resembling a "small government" was at the start when we had a much smaller country anyways and the only people that could vote were white land owning males.
I also like the phrase "constitutional originalist" because everyone seems to forget that part where white land owning males had all the power. Clarence Thomas claims to be a constitutional originalist, which is probably the most entertaining fact about his political views. Sorry if I displayed any political bias in my response but I really find the term "small government" an annoyingly deceptive phrase.
At 1/30/25 08:03 AM, cyangorilla wrote:Hah, kids will start taking their parents' phones for porn.
We've gone all the way back to getting an older dude to buy you alcohol.
With how shitty governments are protecting citizen data, these messy regulations will promote the market of identity theft to a new level. I might just end up renewing my national ID card every year just so the old one isn't valid anymore.
It's so ridiculous. Sites that adhere to these rules will suffer and kids who try to watch porn will find it in the shadiest places where the law don't shine (torrent, xyz sites, etc).
this; this is exact reason why I concern about these ID law
At 1/30/25 05:42 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:this; this is exact reason why I concern about these ID law
We had our entire national ID and health record databases breached in Argentina; multiple times.
At 1/30/25 05:51 PM, cyangorilla wrote:At 1/30/25 05:42 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:this; this is exact reason why I concern about these ID law
We had our entire national ID and health record databases breached in Argentina; multiple times.
We also have our medical company getting data breach all the fucking time, it annoying
That why I hated these verification law
At 1/30/25 12:33 PM, OnixDark wrote:At 1/30/25 08:35 AM, HeroPapaya wrote:I don't like living in this timeline. Why does privacy have to be such a fantasy thing? I feel like Ellis Redding at the end of Shawshank redemption. Privacy is something I could talk about a lot; I'm not sure that would be the most suitable thing to do in this forum however. I think that one day during my lifetime it will feel normal to have surveillance in our homes, and people have smartphones so in a way it's already like that. ("I don't care about privacy since I've got nothing to hide")
On the topic of pm images; it feels a bit harsh to limit it to supporters. It would feel a bit more fair to say one month of supporter status may grant unlimited permission to send images in pms. I do understand the concern, I have seen some things myself at a young age (specifically targeted at young people..) that I wish I didn't. People will be people.
Another possible solution could be limiting the ability to send images in pms to accounts that are like 3 month old or something; that could be somewhat circumvented however by mass creating accounts.
I wonder if algorithms could be used to recognise all common shock images and instantly ban the offender for sending them
an algorithm would NOT be ideal because:
1) high risk of false positives (just browse the audio appeal thread while ignoring the kids who want to add copyrighted music to geometry dash to see what i'm talking about)
2) artists who draw gore and people who commission gore images from them exist in this site and may want/need to use the DM system for reference sharing and/or feedback requesting. imagine 2 horror artists share images of nasty injuries to use as a reference for how to better draw their monsters. do those people deserve to get a ban for trading references with each other, even if they would never send unrequested gore to anyone?
that said, i agree with the other things you said. maybe after you've been a supporter for X months you get a free pass to send images? though demanding to be an active supporter helps sustain the site...
I did not consider the risk of false positives. It does not seem fair if gore artists would be hindered from sending images.
A big portion of my pms have been bug reports. Sending images can be very helpful for that.
HeroPapaya~
At 1/30/25 07:28 PM, HeroPapaya wrote:At 1/30/25 12:33 PM, OnixDark wrote:At 1/30/25 08:35 AM, HeroPapaya wrote:I don't like living in this timeline. Why does privacy have to be such a fantasy thing? I feel like Ellis Redding at the end of Shawshank redemption. Privacy is something I could talk about a lot; I'm not sure that would be the most suitable thing to do in this forum however. I think that one day during my lifetime it will feel normal to have surveillance in our homes, and people have smartphones so in a way it's already like that. ("I don't care about privacy since I've got nothing to hide")
On the topic of pm images; it feels a bit harsh to limit it to supporters. It would feel a bit more fair to say one month of supporter status may grant unlimited permission to send images in pms. I do understand the concern, I have seen some things myself at a young age (specifically targeted at young people..) that I wish I didn't. People will be people.
Another possible solution could be limiting the ability to send images in pms to accounts that are like 3 month old or something; that could be somewhat circumvented however by mass creating accounts.
I wonder if algorithms could be used to recognise all common shock images and instantly ban the offender for sending them
an algorithm would NOT be ideal because:
1) high risk of false positives (just browse the audio appeal thread while ignoring the kids who want to add copyrighted music to geometry dash to see what i'm talking about)
2) artists who draw gore and people who commission gore images from them exist in this site and may want/need to use the DM system for reference sharing and/or feedback requesting. imagine 2 horror artists share images of nasty injuries to use as a reference for how to better draw their monsters. do those people deserve to get a ban for trading references with each other, even if they would never send unrequested gore to anyone?
that said, i agree with the other things you said. maybe after you've been a supporter for X months you get a free pass to send images? though demanding to be an active supporter helps sustain the site...
I did not consider the risk of false positives. It does not seem fair if gore artists would be hindered from sending images.
A big portion of my pms have been bug reports. Sending images can be very helpful for that.
I do agree with your point though.
If an account is 6 months or older, they should have the ability to send images by PM and maybe more things?
Idk it’s not like I’m sending images to people by DM’s so this doesn’t affect me lol
Thinking back, I started on NG when I was either 12 or 13? But since evry 1 talkd liek dis, and I wrote like this, everyone on the internet assumed I was an adult anyway.
Master of questionable life choices
At 1/30/25 09:30 PM, MuramasasEdge wrote:Just remember;
We live in a Nazi world.
"Nazism is when the government does stuff"
For the safety of everyone, a tracking chip will be implanted on the brain of every human alive, which alerts the authorities when they think something wrong. (I will decide what is wrong.)
I wonder how much weirdos were there to make u take this desition tho,,,
still so glad that everything is getting safer!
W Tom Gulp, he's saving the children.
