At 1/26/25 12:46 AM, Quest wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

Didn't understand this the first time I read it, but you can't pay to get a frontpage, at least to the best of my knowledge. It might be argued that Takeover Tuesday allows people to pay Supporter to frontpage their own art, but that's only one day a week and more of a perk for supporting the site, not a direct payment to get a frontpage. I still really don't like the self promotion and wish that you could only feature others' work on Takeover Tuesday, but for now, it's a feature.

I would be shocked if people are actually paying to get a frontpage.

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:46 AM, Quest wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

Didn't understand this the first time I read it, but you can't pay to get a frontpage, at least to the best of my knowledge. It might be argued that Takeover Tuesday allows people to pay Supporter to frontpage their own art, but that's only one day a week and more of a perk for supporting the site, not a direct payment to get a frontpage. I still really don't like the self promotion and wish that you could only feature others' work on Takeover Tuesday, but for now, it's a feature.

I would be shocked if people are actually paying to get a frontpage.

By the way, my haters used to accuse me of paying for my songs to be put on the Frontpage. I've been laughing at this for a long time, lol!

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

So Suno is like the worse version of Udio? I’m assuming?

At 1/26/25 01:04 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

So Suno is like the worse version of Udio? I’m assuming?

Suno just appeared earlier than Udio. Udio simply took all the errors of Suno and remade the generative model.

At 1/26/25 01:05 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:04 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

So Suno is like the worse version of Udio? I’m assuming?

Suno just appeared earlier than Udio. Udio simply took all the errors of Suno and remade the generative model.

I heard both are getting sued by universal music group, didn’t know universal music group were chads!

At 1/26/25 01:07 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:05 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:04 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

So Suno is like the worse version of Udio? I’m assuming?

Suno just appeared earlier than Udio. Udio simply took all the errors of Suno and remade the generative model.

I heard both are getting sued by universal music group, didn’t know universal music group were chads!

Yes, they were kind of accused of having their AI trained on licensed songs.

At 1/26/25 01:09 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:07 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:05 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:04 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

So Suno is like the worse version of Udio? I’m assuming?

Suno just appeared earlier than Udio. Udio simply took all the errors of Suno and remade the generative model.

I heard both are getting sued by universal music group, didn’t know universal music group were chads!

Yes, they were kind of accused of having their AI trained on licensed songs.

Suno ai, make your ideas come to life… bro, GarageBand and Jummbox exist, and if you got money, Fl studio mobile! Literally anything is better for music creation then ai

At 1/26/25 01:14 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:09 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:07 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:05 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:04 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:02 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

So Suno is like the worse version of Udio? I’m assuming?

Suno just appeared earlier than Udio. Udio simply took all the errors of Suno and remade the generative model.

I heard both are getting sued by universal music group, didn’t know universal music group were chads!

Yes, they were kind of accused of having their AI trained on licensed songs.

Suno ai, make your ideas come to life… bro, GarageBand and Jummbox exist, and if you got money, Fl studio mobile! Literally anything is better for music creation then ai

and if you have an android phone, then FLM will be even more free, lol. yes, FLM does not have sufficient functionality, as in the PC version, but you can write classical music there, and that will be enough. There's a user-friendly piano roll and the interface itself is intuitive.
but no, someone is too lazy to do all This, it's better to download the Suno app or visit the Udio website.

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

At 1/26/25 01:20 AM, Quest wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

I wouldn't put so much faith in one person; everone makes mistakes, including me. An AI track was frontpaged 4 days ago. Whoever frontpaged it (Tom or otherwise) didn't recognize it. I've missed things before and I've flagged thousands of those pesky AI tracks. I wouldn't expect anyone to be 100 percent accurate at knowing if something is AI, but the person that frontpaged that track definitely needs more practice.

Also yeah, Udio is scary. It's more often used by scouted users looking to further their fake musical career comapred to unscouted users just looking to getting "their" "song" in GD.

On a somewhat related note, I had a weird dream once that Suno and Udio merged companies to form "Sudio", which is also a tongue-in-cheek reference to how both of them are getting sued.

At 1/26/25 01:24 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:20 AM, Quest wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

I wouldn't put so much faith in one person; everone makes mistakes, including me. An AI track was frontpaged 4 days ago. Whoever frontpaged it (Tom or otherwise) didn't recognize it. I've missed things before and I've flagged thousands of those pesky AI tracks. I wouldn't expect anyone to be 100 percent accurate at knowing if something is AI, but the person that frontpaged that track definitely needs more practice.

Also yeah, Udio is scary. It's more often used by scouted users looking to further their fake musical career comapred to unscouted users just looking to getting "their" "song" in GD.

On a somewhat related note, I had a weird dream once that Suno and Udio merged companies to form "Sudio", which is also a tongue-in-cheek reference to how both of them are getting sued.

It's fucked up. I also need to check out new FPS more often, you never know, I'll find something too. so I was wrong, Tom still lets such audio files, not tracks, audio files, onto the front page.

Yes, that's what I mean. It will be really scary when Udio becomes too realistic, given what is available now.

HAAHAHAHAHA! These are your dreams! I think you really think about AI tracks every day, lol.

At 1/26/25 01:28 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:24 AM, G2961 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:20 AM, Quest wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:00 AM, G2961 wrote:They won't get in anymore. Because Tom Fulp now knows exactly what this AI sounds like and is unlikely to allow the AI track to get on FP. I'm very sure of that.
but in the case of Udio, everything is ambiguous. It's a fucking powerful AI, if used correctly and handled correctly, it's a very tough weapon to kill all the hopes of aspiring musicians here.

I wouldn't put so much faith in one person; everone makes mistakes, including me. An AI track was frontpaged 4 days ago. Whoever frontpaged it (Tom or otherwise) didn't recognize it. I've missed things before and I've flagged thousands of those pesky AI tracks. I wouldn't expect anyone to be 100 percent accurate at knowing if something is AI, but the person that frontpaged that track definitely needs more practice.

Also yeah, Udio is scary. It's more often used by scouted users looking to further their fake musical career comapred to unscouted users just looking to getting "their" "song" in GD.

On a somewhat related note, I had a weird dream once that Suno and Udio merged companies to form "Sudio", which is also a tongue-in-cheek reference to how both of them are getting sued.

It's fucked up. I also need to check out new FPS more often, you never know, I'll find something too. so I was wrong, Tom still lets such audio files, not tracks, audio files, onto the front page.

Yes, that's what I mean. It will be really scary when Udio becomes too realistic, given what is available now.

HAAHAHAHAHA! These are your dreams! I think you really think about AI tracks every day, lol.

At 1/26/25 02:53 AM, OVERSCORE wrote:I honestly feel like this is scarier in the Audio portal than the Art portal (I get that I have a bias), because there’s something about seeing art that makes it more easily discerned if the piece is AI-generated. Maybe it’s the hands, or the anatomy is screwed up in ways that a human would never try. Anyone would notice. Now as AI gets continually more advanced bc the tech industry is full of a-holes, those errors will be fewer and fewer, but for now. In the Audio portal, VERY FEW PEOPLE are going to listen to a song and say “no no, a human couldn’t have made this! The song is at a bitrate of 320 kbps, but the frequencies don’t exceed that of 192 kbps!!” It’s really hard to notice the errors that AI makes when generating music because you have to be an expert to understand what makes them errors in the first place. It’s not as simple as a 6th finger.
This isn’t to minimize the awful situation with AI art, I hate what’s happening to you artists… it’s already so widespread, and you guys have been dealing with this for way too long. But AI music feels much more difficult to detect in the portal, and that makes it scarier to me.
Again though, I do have a bias. If I have said something blatantly incorrect/ignorant, please disregard! :)

At 1/26/25 12:03 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:01 AM, aapiarts wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:26 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:24 PM, OVERSCORE wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:20 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:15 PM, OVERSCORE wrote:

At 1/25/25 06:36 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:Ok so I was on the Audio Portal Cleanup thread, and saw a post made by @Quest about a Suno AI song that was frontpaged. It’s now been taken down but it also interested me a little bit since I see a lot of really good artists on here, and they never or barely get frontpaged. But yet some Suno AI track can get frontpaged.
whatre your thoughts on it?

The fact that this has happened now… dang, I’m shaken up. Good thing people recognized it as fraud eventually but still, making it all the way to the front page is … 😬
Growing increasingly thankful for people like @G2961 who work to cleanse the audio portal of this crap. Y’all are heroes ngl

This ain’t the first time either for all I know. It also just pisses me off on how I spend hours, sometimes 10s of hours, mixing experimenting, and just trying to make the song sound right… only to come up short. Thankfully if even AI is getting frontpaged, it just shows that maybe I’m just unlucky with mods since they are the reason stuff gets frontpaged. Who knows, maybe I’m a greater musician to others than myself! XD

You’ll get those front pages, no doubt about it. Events like this make me wonder… how many other AI tracks have been featured or racked up tons of listens? For all we know, there could be hundreds that don’t get reported… there are so many AI songs submitted each day, what are the chances we get can rid of ALL of them? Keeps me up at night (not really but still 😅)

How else are you gonna get an image of Goku fighting a Minecraft skeleton in the middle of picos school XD.

By commissioning someone to draw it. Simple.

Bro I get using ai for personal gain is bad, but if your just having fun ai ain’t that bad lol. Ai is scarily good these days I know, but sometimes it’s fun to see, but when people try to bypass rules with it, that’s too far

At 1/26/25 03:12 AM, aapiarts wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:03 AM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:01 AM, aapiarts wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:26 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:24 PM, OVERSCORE wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:20 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/25/25 07:15 PM, OVERSCORE wrote:

At 1/25/25 06:36 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:Ok so I was on the Audio Portal Cleanup thread, and saw a post made by @Quest about a Suno AI song that was frontpaged. It’s now been taken down but it also interested me a little bit since I see a lot of really good artists on here, and they never or barely get frontpaged. But yet some Suno AI track can get frontpaged.
whatre your thoughts on it?

The fact that this has happened now… dang, I’m shaken up. Good thing people recognized it as fraud eventually but still, making it all the way to the front page is … 😬
Growing increasingly thankful for people like @G2961 who work to cleanse the audio portal of this crap. Y’all are heroes ngl

This ain’t the first time either for all I know. It also just pisses me off on how I spend hours, sometimes 10s of hours, mixing experimenting, and just trying to make the song sound right… only to come up short. Thankfully if even AI is getting frontpaged, it just shows that maybe I’m just unlucky with mods since they are the reason stuff gets frontpaged. Who knows, maybe I’m a greater musician to others than myself! XD

You’ll get those front pages, no doubt about it. Events like this make me wonder… how many other AI tracks have been featured or racked up tons of listens? For all we know, there could be hundreds that don’t get reported… there are so many AI songs submitted each day, what are the chances we get can rid of ALL of them? Keeps me up at night (not really but still 😅)

How else are you gonna get an image of Goku fighting a Minecraft skeleton in the middle of picos school XD.

By commissioning someone to draw it. Simple.

Bro I get using ai for personal gain is bad, but if your just having fun ai ain’t that bad lol. Ai is scarily good these days I know, but sometimes it’s fun to see, but when people try to bypass rules with it, that’s too far

I would be lying if I said I never touched an AI. Of course I have tried one out of curiosity. I tried out Suno when my YouTube feed was full of "X game song but AI extended". It is interesting but it still feels shady as hell. AIs are cool on a technical and code level but they are also very bad for society and environment.

Idk AI is a very difficult topic as a whole.

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

At 1/26/25 08:30 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

No one is paying to have their audio front paged.

At 1/26/25 08:30 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

No one is paying to have their audio front paged. Seeing new artists on the front page should be considered a good thing, since other people accuse us of just featuring the same artists over and over. There will be mistakes where AI music gets front paged, at the least it helps catch it, at which point it gets removed.

At 1/26/25 01:51 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:50 PM, larrynachos wrote:I've definitely seen a few AI submissions get front paged. Seems kind of strange, because they're usually quite obvious. Don't know how they keep slipping through.

Same bro, though I’ve never seen them on the frontpage. Perhaps certain mods can frontpage, but others can’t but CAN get rid of music

At 1/26/25 01:55 PM, larrynachos wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:51 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 01:50 PM, larrynachos wrote:I've definitely seen a few AI submissions get front paged. Seems kind of strange, because they're usually quite obvious. Don't know how they keep slipping through.

Same bro, though I’ve never seen them on the frontpage. Perhaps certain mods can frontpage, but others can’t but CAN get rid of music

Audio portal mods are responsible both for audio removal and front pages

At 1/26/25 08:30 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

No one is paying to have their audio front paged. Seeing new artists on the front page should be considered a good thing, since other people accuse us of just featuring the same artists over and over. There will be mistakes where AI music gets front paged, at the least it helps catch it, at which point it gets removed.

At 1/26/25 01:57 PM, robotjones02 wrote:

At 1/26/25 08:30 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

No one is paying to have their audio front paged. Seeing new artists on the front page should be considered a good thing, since other people accuse us of just featuring the same artists over and over. There will be mistakes where AI music gets front paged, at the least it helps catch it, at which point it gets removed.

problem is, some of the “new artists” wind up being popular artists trying to make a new persona to get more attention

At 1/26/25 12:28 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 08:30 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

No one is paying to have their audio front paged. Seeing new artists on the front page should be considered a good thing, since other people accuse us of just featuring the same artists over and over. There will be mistakes where AI music gets front paged, at the least it helps catch it, at which point it gets removed.

makes sense! But sadly it shows I may never get the frontpages other people say I deserve, since I’m not exactly a new artist on Newgrounds. I also hate it when I get a featured audio that literally took me so fucking short of time. Such as this one
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1355547
all this was at best is filler or context, took me like 30 minutes to make, so really when I saw it got frontpaged, I was kinda just… eh, I guess that’s cool. The only real times I felt actual pride in getting frontpaged is when I made my songs Merriment and Anxiousbreaks.

At 1/26/25 02:01 PM, robotjones02 wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:28 PM, Creeperforce24 wrote:

At 1/26/25 08:30 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:41 AM, TheJayJay wrote:

At 1/26/25 12:36 AM, robotjones02 wrote:Yeah, I see a lot of artists accounts made weeks ago get frontpaged all the time that have like 2 or so pieces, willing to bet some of them are paying newgrounds directly for frontpages

Can you do that? @TomFulp

No one is paying to have their audio front paged. Seeing new artists on the front page should be considered a good thing, since other people accuse us of just featuring the same artists over and over. There will be mistakes where AI music gets front paged, at the least it helps catch it, at which point it gets removed.

makes sense! But sadly it shows I may never get the frontpages other people say I deserve, since I’m not exactly a new artist on Newgrounds. I also hate it when I get a featured audio that literally took me so fucking short of time. Such as this one
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1355547
all this was at best is filler or context, took me like 30 minutes to make, so really when I saw it got frontpaged, I was kinda just… eh, I guess that’s cool. The only real times I felt actual pride in getting frontpaged is when I made my songs Merriment and Anxiousbreaks.

It does kinda pain me to spend hundreds of hours on art only to be met with a lukewarm at best response as FNF fan artist #642 starts getting popular