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At 10/9/24 04:37 AM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:At 10/8/24 10:41 AM, TomFulp wrote:At the end of the day, the results of Takeover Tuesday will be archived.Where can I access said archive?
That's still being worked on at the moment.
At 10/9/24 01:32 AM, NothanyTPM wrote:I've had this little thought experiment brewing in my head all day for these new Takeover Tuesday.
Would it be better if the post with the least amount of recommendations got ranked higher? Basically flipping the formula on its head. It would certainly make everyone search far & wide on the website to find items that no one would ever pick. The downside is that it also gives someone a weapon to dethrone the one at the top.
It would certainly make the system a heck of a lot more chaotic and competitive, but I don't know if it would make it better.
I still don't know what to think of Takeover Tuesdays as it is now. I just think that it needed a bit more time in the oven, and reading a bunch of other people's comments tells me there might be a disaster waiting to happen.
Celebrating the thing that generated the least interest would probably have a lot of negative results but there are some fun things we could try. For example if someone shares something by someone else that had never been featured and it gets a positive response, maybe they'd earn a Treasure Hunter badge and the item could be showcased as a found treasure in some way in the archive.
At 10/9/24 01:26 AM, Chuw-Croissantier wrote:I like this idea not gonna lie, it's a big opportunity for smaller artists... only problem i see is that people tends to feature artists that are already big, dudes that eat and breath frontpages in daily basis, major example is the punch punch forever episode.
If the event starts to feel too samey every week we'll have to consider our options there but something I want to note, that everyone should keep in mind, is that there isn't a single artist on this site who is getting the amount of views they deserve.
So imagine a popular artist on NG, who is likely getting far less views here than on YouTube, sees us going out of our way to put a cap on their potential success and give them less views - does that encourage them to stick around?
At the same time, I understand it's discouraging to other artists when they see the same people dominate. But they should also have confidence that if they make something really great, they could also achieve that level of success and not have an artificial cap placed on it.
Next Tuesday I'm going to pick something good but not likely popular. Toss the Turtle was a no brainer, but none the less
kinda a bit too popular to feature by itself.. That game is nearly having 10 Millions people who played it.
So my main focus is to bring one thing in the featured tuesday, that deserve the attention.
I'm going to avoid featuring my stuff too. Except if I really think my work deserve some love.
Anyways, was really awesome to see that feature. My crappy chromebook lagged alot yesterday too
You know, this sounded like something that sounded like a good idea but in practice would kind of suck, but yesterday kicked ass. Yer doin' a good job, Tom & friends! I'm telling people (who already like NewGrounds) to check the site every Tuesday. Felt like the old, self-correcting wild west that I loved about this place when it was too crowded to get a word in edgewise
At 10/9/24 09:22 AM, PhantomCat wrote:You know, this sounded like something that sounded like a good idea but in practice would kind of suck, but yesterday kicked ass. Yer doin' a good job, Tom & friends! I'm telling people (who already like NewGrounds) to check the site every Tuesday. Felt like the old, self-correcting wild west that I loved about this place when it was too crowded to get a word in edgewise
Tuesday was selected as the day to do it because on Monday we're still parsing through weekend site activity, while on Tuesday things are pretty quiet. So we basically turned our slowest day into something exciting, which feels like a powerful upgrade.
At 10/9/24 01:23 AM, aapiarts wrote:I don't get why there is so much negativity against self promo.
There's an obvious bias in that. Some people might think their own work is the best thing ever only because they made it and they could not see any objective flaws within it because of that, but it doesn't mean it will be seen as good by anybody else. Another thing is that some might try abusing this feature only to link people to their eCommerce webpages or other similarly sketchy things, although it would probably result in their accounts getting banned immediately anyway but still. I don't think it's an unreasonable concern, albeit a bit paranoid.
Seeing it more positively I guess it could result in lower quality submissions receiving more constructive feedback that they otherwise wouldn't have received, but I'd rather encourage people to seek that feedback through the forums or even private message conversations with more experienced users instead of waiting for every tuesday and hoping their submission won't end up drowned amongst the rest.
Regardless, I think this is a cool event and I hope it continues to be improved, made the site feel a lot more lively yesterday.
Whew, I can't believe yesterday went by. I actually found some really cool things during that whole thing, and also Thank you for Adding the feature to only show like 5 or 25 at the same time, I appreciate you listening to our feedback!
Needless to say, Yesterday I added a really cool Piconjo video from back in like 2005 or something that I really enjoyed to test the waters. I do think I wanna try to add someone obscure yet something I like next time.
This might be my favorite new addition to the site in the last 10 years or so. Such a cool idea, and a great incentive to be a supporter too.
At 10/9/24 09:45 AM, Leavesz wrote:At 10/9/24 01:23 AM, aapiarts wrote:I don't get why there is so much negativity against self promo.
There's an obvious bias in that. Some people might think their own work is the best thing ever only because they made it and they could not see any objective flaws within it because of that, but it doesn't mean it will be seen as good by anybody else. Another thing is that some might try abusing this feature only to link people to their eCommerce webpages or other similarly sketchy things, although it would probably result in their accounts getting banned immediately anyway but still. I don't think it's an unreasonable concern, albeit a bit paranoid.
Seeing it more positively I guess it could result in lower quality submissions receiving more constructive feedback that they otherwise wouldn't have received, but I'd rather encourage people to seek that feedback through the forums or even private message conversations with more experienced users instead of waiting for every tuesday and hoping their submission won't end up drowned amongst the rest.
Regardless, I think this is a cool event and I hope it continues to be improved, made the site feel a lot more lively yesterday.
I am really happy you wrote this out. I think you brought a lot of reasonable concerns to the discussion. Maybe I can chime in from another side.
As someone who doesn't get much engagement, I featured my work. I saw my ratings drop, and I was overjoyed. I can't speak for others, but I make things on NG because I want critical feedback or ratings. I love making things that put a smile on someone's face.
The forums and private messages sound great, but the truth is, it's hard to find people who want to give you honest feedback. Reaching out to another artist privately sounds pushy, mainly when many people use critique as a paid service. Some people are overconfident, but that is the same, no matter how they promote their posts. Honestly, I think that's fine because self-critique is a superpower.
The self-hate I have gets me into training more. 🌚
I love that idea! I always thought there should be some sort of way to re-feature old/classic NG animations and art so that newer users or people who may have forgotten or missed them can discover them, but letting the community decide what to bump is legit the best way of implementing that!
I bumped one of my old animations yesterday but I've got some old favorites from decades ago I want to bump to the front page next time.
I dunno- as a professional lurker, I really didn't feel right selecting anything.
At 10/9/24 11:08 AM, DeadSM wrote:The forums and private messages sound great, but the truth is, it's hard to find people who want to give you honest feedback. Reaching out to another artist privately sounds pushy, mainly when many people use critique as a paid service.
I don't believe it could hurt that much to ask if you do it politely enough, if they didn't want to receive such requests they could just disable their inbox. As for feedback on the forums, specifically about the art forum as it is the most active, from what I've seen people really are not shy in the slightest to point out any flaws in the work of whoever's requesting some critique in any way. Most people here definitely wouldn't mind sharing their knowledge if they notice you're putting in the effort to actually improve your work in the first place.
At 10/9/24 12:42 AM, ProsciuttoMan wrote:You should be able to feature content you worked on IMO, but I think it’d work better if you couldn’t just feature your own submissions ad infinitum (a lot of today was flooded with users self-promoting old content, and I saw a lot of it go WAY down in terms of overall score as a result). Like, if you’re listed as a « manager » or « owner » of a submission, you should be unable to feature it, but if you’re a « contributor » or « beta tester », you should still be able to.
Users self-promoting their projects shouldn’t count as « votes » for that project (assuming they do now, I’m not a supporter). That way, projects with big teams can’t completely dominate the front page (which I foresee being a huge problem in the future with how big collabs are now).
Alright Tom I've got another idea for you....
SELF-PROMOTION SUNDAY
At 10/9/24 12:51 PM, Leavesz wrote:At 10/9/24 11:08 AM, DeadSM wrote:The forums and private messages sound great, but the truth is, it's hard to find people who want to give you honest feedback. Reaching out to another artist privately sounds pushy, mainly when many people use critique as a paid service.
I don't believe it could hurt that much to ask if you do it politely enough, if they didn't want to receive such requests they could just disable their inbox. As for feedback on the forums, specifically about the art forum as it is the most active, from what I've seen people really are not shy in the slightest to point out any flaws in the work of whoever's requesting some critique in any way. Most people here definitely wouldn't mind sharing their knowledge if they notice you're putting in the effort to actually improve your work in the first place.
Well hey I won't argue here. Maybe it's just my bad experiences. If that's what you have seen I'll make sure to take advantage of it and see if I have any more success. Thanks for the reply! ❤️
I missed the results of this. Is there a way to view the archive somehow?
At 10/9/24 02:10 PM, KoniWorx wrote:I missed the results of this. Is there a way to view the archive somehow?
The archive is coming but isn't ready yet.
At 10/9/24 02:10 PM, KoniWorx wrote:I missed the results of this. Is there a way to view the archive somehow?
It is planned to be viewable! They’re working on it
At 10/9/24 12:54 PM, Chdonga wrote:Alright Tom I've got another idea for you....
SELF-PROMOTION SUNDAY
I was thinking more of Fan-Fiction Friday.
We just need a writing portal.
At 10/9/24 02:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 10/9/24 02:10 PM, KoniWorx wrote:I missed the results of this. Is there a way to view the archive somehow?
The archive is coming but isn't ready yet.
I would love to see it B)
I really like this feature. Seeing people sharing things that are funny, impressive, thoughtful, awesome, etc; it gives a glimpse of ways newgrounds has impacted people, and which place it might have in their lives.
Some will always find ill feelings towards a new features. I think it's natural to want to resist change, since a loss of a pattern you're familiar with could mean uncertainty. I do think it will be easy to adapt to it in time though.
Everything about this will likely settle down in time, as this is the first time we experience it. Riding a roller coaster for the third or fourth time seldom beats the first ride. We are just now exploring what a takeover tuesday can be, and to me that's exciting.
I think allowing users to promote themselves this way is a very reasonable exchange for supporter status.
That was awesome!
At 10/8/24 10:41 AM, TomFulp wrote:Today is our first ever Takeover Tuesday!
Today and every Tuesday for the foreseeable future, each Supporter has access to feature one item on the front page.
If someone features an item that was already featured, it will bump it back to the top of the page and add their name to the front of the list of people who have featured it.
At the end of the day, the results of Takeover Tuesday will be archived. Entries will be ranked first by the total number of people who featured them and second by when they were featured, so you get rewarded for starting early. The featured-by credits will also switch to chronological order, so the first person to feature an item will be first on the list in the archive.
Everyone is invited to react to the featured items with emotes, to make things more fun all around.
We’re excited and curious to see what you do with this and we hope it encourages more of you to come aboard as Supporters. Your support keeps NG going and growing, thank you everyone who helps to keep the dream alive!
Even if you can't be a Supporter, you can help make the day a success by viewing the things people feature!
If you don't want to support NG you can instead support @Matzerath today by buying Orange Roulette on Steam!
Unrelated to this, but I had this idea while I was having breakfast. I dunno how feasible it would be but:
what if on Halloween there was candy medals scattered amongst certain front page movies/games/audio/art(?). And so if you happen to view it you’d get a candy as an achievement. I know we did something like this years ago but with userpages and it was kind of fun.
also I luv candy 🍬
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At 10/10/24 08:04 AM, Luis wrote:Unrelated to this, but I had this idea while I was having breakfast. I dunno how feasible it would be but:
what if on Halloween there was candy medals scattered amongst certain front page movies/games/audio/art(?). And so if you happen to view it you’d get a candy as an achievement. I know we did something like this years ago but with userpages and it was kind of fun.
also I luv candy 🍬
Do want to bring back the candy medals. It's unlikely this year but maybe next year... Would it be interesting if each candy was tied to a task, like vote on five things, favorite something, make a forum post, etc? That might start to get messy on the implementation side but could be a fun way to have people try out different site features.
At 10/10/24 08:32 AM, TomFulp wrote:Do want to bring back the candy medals. It's unlikely this year but maybe next year... Would it be interesting if each candy was tied to a task, like vote on five things, favorite something, make a forum post, etc? That might start to get messy on the implementation side but could be a fun way to have people try out different site features.
I think that could be cool as long as it doesn’t go into some of the GameJolt quest territory, they have stuff like “comment on a friend’s post” (specifically people you have friended) and it’s like…you can’t really force stuff like that, I feel like
At 10/8/24 10:41 AM, TomFulp wrote:Today is our first ever Takeover Tuesday!
Today and every Tuesday for the foreseeable future, each Supporter has access to feature one item on the front page.
If someone features an item that was already featured, it will bump it back to the top of the page and add their name to the front of the list of people who have featured it.
At the end of the day, the results of Takeover Tuesday will be archived. Entries will be ranked first by the total number of people who featured them and second by when they were featured, so you get rewarded for starting early. The featured-by credits will also switch to chronological order, so the first person to feature an item will be first on the list in the archive.
Everyone is invited to react to the featured items with emotes, to make things more fun all around.
We’re excited and curious to see what you do with this and we hope it encourages more of you to come aboard as Supporters. Your support keeps NG going and growing, thank you everyone who helps to keep the dream alive!
Even if you can't be a Supporter, you can help make the day a success by viewing the things people feature!
If you don't want to support NG you can instead support @Matzerath today by buying Orange Roulette on Steam!
You did it again Tom, another excellent idea!
Forgive me if this has been asked. Do users get a notification if someone features their link? If so what does it look like? Can users get multiple notifications if more than one person features the same link?
Also, any plans to be able to feature a playlist or text/news post for takeover Tuesday? (something like the NG newspaper or an album playlist)
At 10/22/24 05:28 PM, DeadSM wrote:Forgive me if this has been asked. Do users get a notification if someone features their link? If so what does it look like? Can users get multiple notifications if more than one person features the same link?
Also, any plans to be able to feature a playlist or text/news post for takeover Tuesday? (something like the NG newspaper or an album playlist)
You do get a notification, here's what mine looked like today:
As for sharing blog posts and playlists, we'll see where things go with all this!
One thing I would please request as a suggestion is:
—To have one user supporter frontpage the same project only once or twice, and that’s it.
—Additionally, If another user supporter wants to frontpage the same project as well, they can, once or twice.
I think I can speak for a lot of people that we’ve seen the same people recommend the same exact things every week.
— and I get it.
People pay to promote anything, but it’s not limited to their own posts. It’s also for other people’s projects as well.
& while it’s funny to do a little trolling, it gets repetitive, unfunny, & gives people’s newgrounds entries a bad taste in people’s mouth sometimes, and they may not even mean to.
It’s like drinking refreshing Coke for a month straight and listening to joyful Christmas music for three months as a retail worker. It gets old & its initial effect dies.
Sometimes the repetitive promotion done by the same people will have the opposite effect.
You also kind of miss out on seeing other people’s project posts as well.
Ms. busy bee!! <3