At 4/6/24 06:22 PM, Chdonga wrote:

Someone needs to come up with a term for when somebody complains about a piece of media so aggressively that it causes people to go into it with extremely low standards and thus they end up finding stuff to enjoy about it.

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit
tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

At 4/7/24 01:20 PM, Chdonga wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit
tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

At 4/6/24 07:47 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:
yes but Blazing Saddles is 1974, there's no way it would be greenlit today

Wow dude you're really parroting all the shit takes, huh.

Herbert and Quagmire Family Guy have gotten away with being onscreen sexual predators even in the recent seasons. While Fritz as a character would surely be scrutinized for some gags that would be interpreted as rape to a modern audience, the movie itself isn't as revolutionary or risk taking as you think. It was an adaptation of a comic series that was around ten years old by the time the movie came out.
The Ralph Bakshi movie that definitely couldn't be made today is Coonskin. It had a lot to say criticizing American exceptionalist culture and I don't have enough faith in the modern layperson that they'd interpret it as such. What can be said about Coonskin can more or less be said about Heavy Traffic, but I believe the guys who praised Fritz would call Wizards woke.

Blazing Saddles was made to poke fun at how in the 60s you weren't allowed to show onscreen death, depict interracial interractions in a positive manner, allude to sex, or criticize Christian values on TV. The most surefire way to get a TV show greenlit in the 60s was to make a western, but also depicting anything realistic about the ol' west was no bueno. A married couple sleeping in the same bed was too edgy. The word "pregnant" was too edgy. Remember that scene in Blazing Saddles where they're all just sitting around the campfire eating beans and farting? That was included because fart jokes were too edgy.

You complain about content being cut or censored in modern shows and then blame it on PC culture. Now, is this the same PC culture that fought with the Owl House's showrunners to try and subdue Luz and Amity's gay relationship, ultimately leading to the show's untimely cancellation? Is PC culture the reason why most gay couples in kids shows are shoved into "blink and you'll miss it" frames that can easily be cut out when the show gets shipped off to less queer-accepting countries? Is PC culture the reason why Korra & Asami and Bubbelgum & Marceline had to remain lesbians offscreen until the ass end of their runs on network TV? Also when did this PC culture shift begin? Because they said the n-word a ton in the Boondocks. They said it a few times in Always Sunny, and in South Park, and in Brickleberry... Family Guy and Cleveland Show made a few n-word jokes without explicitly saying it. I consider all of those shows to be modern, and the ones that have since been cancelled, well, they weren't cancelled over the n-word jokes, that's for sure.

I think the biggest reason they could never make Blazing Saddles today is because Seth MacFarlene made a raunchy western parody in 2014 called A Million Ways to Die in the West, and people would just look at Blazing Saddles as an AMWtDitW ripoff. I think the closest modern analogue we have to Blazing Saddles is The Boys. It's an edgy parody of an oversaturated genre with all the racial satire, flawed protagonists, suggestive themes, and lowbrow humor that you're looking for. Invincible is animated and the racial commentary is more subdued, but it fits the bill just as well.

Yes Youtube will demonetize someone for saying slurs. They'll also demonetize you for swearing within the first 30 seconds of their video, or mark your video as "for kids" if it's animated, or funnel your earnings to anyone who claims to be the copyright holder of the audio used in your video. This isn't about any political grandstanding, it's all about money. Youtube will scrape for any reason to not pay out and that's always been the case.
Meanwhile when it comes to paid streaming services, anything that doesn't violate US Law is basically fair game and what does get cut or censored nowadays comes from executive meddling in hopes of maximizing audience reception.

I'm really concerned with your understanding of joke structure. Saying offensive slurs isn't a joke. It isn't "edgy", nor has it ever been. You might get a reaction out of some terminally online discourse-poisoned nobodies, some puritans, but normal people are just going to look at you and groan. A movie came out in March called The Secret Society of Magical Negroes and it's a heavy-handed satire about black people who use magic to help white people. A circlejerk of rightwing comedians recently shat out a movie about a couple cisgender dudes pretending to be transwomen so they could enter a women's basketball league. If you think Blazing Saddles or Fritz the Cat wouldn't be greenlit today because of a few n-word jokes, I don't think you're actually looking at any of the crap that has been greenlit these days.

At 4/7/24 01:20 PM, Chdonga wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit
tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

At 4/6/24 07:47 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:
yes but Blazing Saddles is 1974, there's no way it would be greenlit today

Wow dude you're really parroting all the shit takes, huh.

Herbert and Quagmire Family Guy have gotten away with being onscreen sexual predators even in the recent seasons. While Fritz as a character would surely be scrutinized for some gags that would be interpreted as rape to a modern audience, the movie itself isn't as revolutionary or risk taking as you think. It was an adaptation of a comic series that was around ten years old by the time the movie came out.
The Ralph Bakshi movie that definitely couldn't be made today is Coonskin. It had a lot to say criticizing American exceptionalist culture and I don't have enough faith in the modern layperson that they'd interpret it as such. What can be said about Coonskin can more or less be said about Heavy Traffic, but I believe the guys who praised Fritz would call Wizards woke.

Blazing Saddles was made to poke fun at how in the 60s you weren't allowed to show onscreen death, depict interracial interractions in a positive manner, allude to sex, or criticize Christian values on TV. The most surefire way to get a TV show greenlit in the 60s was to make a western, but also depicting anything realistic about the ol' west was no bueno. A married couple sleeping in the same bed was too edgy. The word "pregnant" was too edgy. Remember that scene in Blazing Saddles where they're all just sitting around the campfire eating beans and farting? That was included because fart jokes were too edgy.

You complain about content being cut or censored in modern shows and then blame it on PC culture. Now, is this the same PC culture that fought with the Owl House's showrunners to try and subdue Luz and Amity's gay relationship, ultimately leading to the show's untimely cancellation? Is PC culture the reason why most gay couples in kids shows are shoved into "blink and you'll miss it" frames that can easily be cut out when the show gets shipped off to less queer-accepting countries? Is PC culture the reason why Korra & Asami and Bubbelgum & Marceline had to remain lesbians offscreen until the ass end of their runs on network TV? Also when did this PC culture shift begin? Because they said the n-word a ton in the Boondocks. They said it a few times in Always Sunny, and in South Park, and in Brickleberry... Family Guy and Cleveland Show made a few n-word jokes without explicitly saying it. I consider all of those shows to be modern, and the ones that have since been cancelled, well, they weren't cancelled over the n-word jokes, that's for sure.

I think the biggest reason they could never make Blazing Saddles today is because Seth MacFarlene made a raunchy western parody in 2014 called A Million Ways to Die in the West, and people would just look at Blazing Saddles as an AMWtDitW ripoff. I think the closest modern analogue we have to Blazing Saddles is The Boys. It's an edgy parody of an oversaturated genre with all the racial satire, flawed protagonists, suggestive themes, and lowbrow humor that you're looking for. Invincible is animated and the racial commentary is more subdued, but it fits the bill just as well.

Yes Youtube will demonetize someone for saying slurs. They'll also demonetize you for swearing within the first 30 seconds of their video, or mark your video as "for kids" if it's animated, or funnel your earnings to anyone who claims to be the copyright holder of the audio used in your video. This isn't about any political grandstanding, it's all about money. Youtube will scrape for any reason to not pay out and that's always been the case.
Meanwhile when it comes to paid streaming services, anything that doesn't violate US Law is basically fair game and what does get cut or censored nowadays comes from executive meddling in hopes of maximizing audience reception.

I'm really concerned with your understanding of joke structure. Saying offensive slurs isn't a joke. It isn't "edgy", nor has it ever been. You might get a reaction out of some terminally online discourse-poisoned nobodies, some puritans, but normal people are just going to look at you and groan. A movie came out in March called The Secret Society of Magical Negroes and it's a heavy-handed satire about black people who use magic to help white people. A circlejerk of rightwing comedians recently shat out a movie about a couple cisgender dudes pretending to be transwomen so they could enter a women's basketball league. If you think Blazing Saddles or Fritz the Cat wouldn't be greenlit today because of a few n-word jokes, I don't think you're actually looking at any of the crap that has been greenlit these days.

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

At 4/5/24 01:23 PM, jthrash wrote:
I feel like stuff like the OG Animaniacs and Akbar and Jeff in the 1990s could come across as odious to fans of the Republican Party in particular. Seriously, it is somewhat surprising going back to that decade in particular and see children's cartoons mock specific political wonks at the time like Newt Gringrich and especially Rush Limbaugh as bluntly and rudely as possible. Or how the entire Naturally, as a Democrat I absolutely ADORE these jokes even more as an adult, but I imagine more conservative cartoon fans would be far less nostalgic of this stuff if they only saw these types of episodes and jokes.