At 4/3/24 12:50 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/2/24 05:58 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/1/24 11:24 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

...what are you complaining about? What year were you born? What cartoons did you watch as a kid?

Hm... Child friendly TV cartoons being PC. A shock really. I'd would be kinda confused if a cartoon character told me my Asian friend across the street was a national enemy back in the 90s.

Adult TV cartoons don't really appeal to children unless it had lots of gag content (south park).

Movie Cartoons have a dallop of life or death.

Most theaters are owned by the few and are usually working hand in hand with the MPAA, so it's unlikely you will see fritz the cat or similar movies in today's theaters.

you missed my point, cartoons from the 90's, even the ones not for adults, were clearly far more irreverent and original - just take a look at cartoons such as Ren and Stimpy or Ed Edd n Eddy compared to anything being put out now

The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

Which cartoons are bland to you?

Steven Universe, Yogi Bear reboot, Animaniacs reboot, Loud house, Thundercats reboot, Infinity Train, He-Man reboot - whether or not you like these cartoons they undeniably have lack of variety stylistically than cartoons did in previous decades - not to mention the blandness in the majority of animated films

At 4/3/24 12:53 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/3/24 12:06 PM, Tenebrare wrote:1980s was great, what are you talking about and it was Calarts ugly style that ruined the visuals of western animation for good. As for content and quality of that, then everyone knows why it is that and I need not say it out loud.

80's animated FILMS were great (secret of NIMH is one of my favorite animated films), I was talking more about the shows in the 80's

Agreed, calarts needs to die - what's scary is how much of an impact it's had to amateur animators

At 4/3/24 01:46 PM, Tenebrare wrote:

At 4/3/24 12:53 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/3/24 12:06 PM, Tenebrare wrote:1980s was great, what are you talking about and it was Calarts ugly style that ruined the visuals of western animation for good. As for content and quality of that, then everyone knows why it is that and I need not say it out loud.

80's animated FILMS were great (secret of NIMH is one of my favorite animated films), I was talking more about the shows in the 80's

Agreed, calarts needs to die - what's scary is how much of an impact it's had to amateur animators

Hmm? I was just other day watching 1980s cartoons and I loved them, but you mean like live action ? Then 1980s has some really great live action too. Admitted, I have never been fan of anime, so I do not know much comparison in that.

For me personally the visual downfall in entertainment happened after 2000s, where there was shift on technology and CGI and computer related tools became more affordable. You got the "flash" styles,. cheap 3D etc and some of that aesthetic went to live action and so on.

Even when technology improved somehow animation never left the flash-styled of stiffness. It was related to cutting costs. but since consumer was ok with it, companies stood with it.

At 4/5/24 02:42 AM, Chdonga wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

The "overbearing PC culture" claim is just terminally online conspiracy theory nonsense. Family Guy had an episode where Stewie steals some of Brian's sperm to get himself M-preg then he shits out mutant dog-hybrid babies that all die gruesomely and onscreen over the course of the episode. Rick & Morty's staple joke is that Morty has an incestuous attraction to his sister. Every episode of Brickleberry and Paradise PD constantly made jokes making light of racism, homophobia, and bestiality. Mr. Pickles has more onscreen violence than anything that could ever be shown in the 80s. South Park and Fritz couldn't be greenlit today because execs are too stubborn to greenlight anything that isn't branching off an already successful IP. Inversely they'd never have greenlit a Scooby Doo spinoff in the 80s where the gang is investigating a string of co-eds getting murdered. Least of all one that features onscreen queer & interracial relationships, multiple broken/nontraditional households, and casual jokes about teen pregnancy.

Every generation has its share of crap, OP. We had "PC" stuff back in the day too. Captain Planet's an obvious one, but Gargoyles, The Extreme Ghostbusters, and Men in Black TAS were fantastic shows that all had at least one outlying episode that would've made you die of cringe if it came out today. And hell it should go without saying that X-Men TAS was just a weekly PSA on respecting people of different races, cultures, disabilities, etc. Also DARE was still a big thing in the 90s and a lot of shows would have that "very special episode" about drugs. I think the goddamn second episode of A Pup Named Scooby Doo was about the Mystery Gang uncovering some dolphins that were being used to smuggle drugs™, the bad guy is an extreme sports dude who ruined his career due to drugs, and they spend the latter half of the episode repeatedly turning to the camera to remind you that drugs will kill you and/or ruin your life (and also vilifying a guy for having a substance abuse problem which is pretty fucked, but that's another topic).

Since 2010 we've gotten a lot of great shows like Avatar: Legend of Korra (when it's not dangling a carrot over the heads of shippers), Gravity Falls, Owl House, Amphibia, Wander over Yonder, Kid Cosmic, Young Justice, that 2013 Thundercats reboot, Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc, Symbionic Titan, Mao-Mao, that Samurai Jack sendoff season, every TMNT sequel series, Primal (and that other more recent Tartokovsky series I can't think of its name rn), Castlevania, Invincible, He-Man Revelation & He-Man Revolution, the Dragon Prince, She-Ra, Cuphead, Voltron (see Korra), Ballmasterz, X-Men 97, and plenty of anime that incorporate mixed media like Mob Psycho 100 and Chainsaw Man. Even the Pokemon anime looks good these days. And there's countless others I've forgotten.
And I'm not going to sugarcoat it; whoever told you that Infinity Train lacks stylistic variety is an asshole. The show is gorgeous and it's nothing short of an act of malice from the higher-ups that there's no official physical release of the series.

Even though I think much of the cast looks like they're from a race of humanoid hippopotamuses, Steven Universe pays some of the best homages to classic anime that I've ever seen in western animation. Thundercats Roar, despite the characters being hideous melty blobs that only resemble the original characters by accident, had some great musical homages to the original series and some damn fine animation setpieces. By the later half of the series, the background renders in Teen Titans Go went from bland solid shapes to more detailed painterly pieces. Even though they do look like Rick & Morty at home, Star Trek Lower Decks and Inside Job were both surprisingly good. Even Zombie Simpsons and Velma and Hulumaniacs have occasional moments of sakuga.

Now, I'm not sure if children's cartoons have gotten worse or if it's just that I'm at the ass-end of my 20s, because it all looks like Cocomelon to me. But Craig of the Creek is one show that stands out for me. I've watched a few episodes and it reminds me a lot of Hey Arnold. It's chill, it's lowkey, it's a vibe, but I imagine it's hard to appreciate when you're young and only interested in hyperactive sugar-addled explosions of colors and zaniness. 90% of everything is crap, and it certainly doesn't help when brainrotten rage-fueled content farms like Mr. Enter and E;R will milk any piece of crap to a fine dust. But if you look beyond children's television stations, perish the idea that "PC culture" is the reason why 90% of everything is crap, do a bit of research on the amount of work that goes into a show's development, you'll be surprised by the nuggets of gold you'll find within a show that's receiving criticism for vapid "Calarts" boogeymannery.

Sorry for the omega dump. I wanted to find better examples of modern animation but I think I spent over 3 hours carefully crafting this essay so TL;DR: yeah, that latest Disney sequel might've sucked, but so did Atlantis: Milo's return, so go watch MFKZ instead. (Or if you're a minor, idk go watch Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem.)

At 4/6/24 08:27 AM, myhead3 wrote:

At 4/5/24 01:23 PM, jthrash wrote:

At 4/5/24 06:36 AM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote:And then there are cartoons where the writers actively want to insult the viewer, like Velma. I can't recall an era of the past where the showrunners were so keen on creating such loathsome material as Velma.

I feel like stuff like the OG Animaniacs and Akbar and Jeff in the 1990s could come across as odious to fans of the Republican Party in particular. Seriously, it is somewhat surprising going back to that decade in particular and see children's cartoons mock specific political wonks at the time like Newt Gringrich and especially Rush Limbaugh as bluntly and rudely as possible. Or how the entire Naturally, as a Democrat I absolutely ADORE these jokes even more as an adult, but I imagine more conservative cartoon fans would be far less nostalgic of this stuff if they only saw these types of episodes and jokes.

True, I wasn't even really a fan of the Animaniacs for these reasons as a kid, not because of my political beliefs, but simply because I was 10 years old and didn't know who the fuck they were referencing or talking about. When you have a cartoon aimed at kids with half the jokes being aimed at executives and politicians, my younger self is going to lose interest real fast.

At 4/6/24 12:39 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/3/24 01:46 PM, Tenebrare wrote:

At 4/3/24 12:53 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/3/24 12:06 PM, Tenebrare wrote:1980s was great, what are you talking about and it was Calarts ugly style that ruined the visuals of western animation for good. As for content and quality of that, then everyone knows why it is that and I need not say it out loud.

80's animated FILMS were great (secret of NIMH is one of my favorite animated films), I was talking more about the shows in the 80's

Agreed, calarts needs to die - what's scary is how much of an impact it's had to amateur animators

Hmm? I was just other day watching 1980s cartoons and I loved them, but you mean like live action ? Then 1980s has some really great live action too. Admitted, I have never been fan of anime, so I do not know much comparison in that.

For me personally the visual downfall in entertainment happened after 2000s, where there was shift on technology and CGI and computer related tools became more affordable. You got the "flash" styles,. cheap 3D etc and some of that aesthetic went to live action and so on.

Even when technology improved somehow animation never left the flash-styled of stiffness. It was related to cutting costs. but since consumer was ok with it, companies stood with it.

I think we're missing a point here, it doesn't need Akira levels of animation to be good, I mentioned Ruby Gloom which was as Flash animation as things could get, there's also Total Drama Island (fuck the sequels) Flash, stiff and odd looking but both had charm, CHARM!
We truly are being superficial about how a show looks or animated instead of the actual content.

Take one of my 90s favourites for example, Daria, animation was limited as fuck and the style was kinda generic but it was a good show, Beavis and Butthead was even more limited and it left a huge legacy.

At 4/2/24 03:14 AM, MondoBilby wrote:Sure, people do talk about them for a bit, but once it's been long enough they always get pushed into the back to make room for a myriad of complaint videos about bad shows that released like 6 months ago.
People love to complain, and people really love saying the old days were better (it spreads to every generation, as much as we hate it). I'd like to see more positive videos and reviews for the movies and shows that actually deserve the attention, because there really are a lot more good ones than you would believe.

At 4/6/24 12:39 PM, Mazooe wrote:I think we're missing a point here, it doesn't need Akira levels of animation to be good, I mentioned Ruby Gloom which was as Flash animation as things could get, there's also Total Drama Island (fuck the sequels) Flash, stiff and odd looking but both had charm, CHARM!
We truly are being superficial about how a show looks or animated instead of the actual content.

Take one of my 90s favourites for example, Daria, animation was limited as fuck and the style was kinda generic but it was a good show, Beavis and Butthead was even more limited and it left a huge legacy.

At 4/6/24 12:18 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

I wrote a lengthy message about the reason and my computer crashed.

All I'll say is you're looking at the mainstream but keep in mind animation in the 80s had ups downs and competition (like today, the new wave of anime)

I made a comparison with music and how I usually scrape for the underground shit or those bands that dissolved before the suck could get to them but fuck it

The point is that modern animation (mainstream) sucks but nothing stops you from doing a cartoon about a cat buttfucking a mouse every episode, or wholesome slice of life that YouTube would even pay for (yeah they're the 4th Reich)

As long as we don't keep the pen down, modern art is in our hands brother.

Draw something to express yourself, draw and hit the shit where it hurts until it hurts no more.

People yap about 80s music as a godsend when it was all radio friendly shit, no one would mention you Jane's Addiction or NWA or L7

Whatever you do, do it good and for yourself brother.

Case in Point:

At 4/6/24 02:44 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 10:18 AM, Yopenatals wrote:

I'm so sick and tired of this condescending and flippant attitude certain people have towards the criticism of PC culture and modern censorship

There is major censorship on sites like Youtube, Reddit and other social media platforms, which is singlehandedly destroying freedom of expression and critical thinking and creating a culture of fear - If you find certain content is worthy of criticism or not is up to the individual (even though I personally don't think this good attitude) but ideologies becoming dominant to the point in which you have to censor yourself due to a society of fear and compliance is morally wrong

what's more, these ideologs your defending stem from oversensitivity and mass offence, so your point is damn hypocritical - how about criticising one of the many youtube essays getting mad about a supposedly "transphobic" joke from a movie made about 20 years ago?

At 4/6/24 12:48 PM, jthrash wrote:

At 4/6/24 08:27 AM, myhead3 wrote:

At 4/5/24 01:23 PM, jthrash wrote:

At 4/5/24 06:36 AM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote:And then there are cartoons where the writers actively want to insult the viewer, like Velma. I can't recall an era of the past where the showrunners were so keen on creating such loathsome material as Velma.

I feel like stuff like the OG Animaniacs and Akbar and Jeff in the 1990s could come across as odious to fans of the Republican Party in particular. Seriously, it is somewhat surprising going back to that decade in particular and see children's cartoons mock specific political wonks at the time like Newt Gringrich and especially Rush Limbaugh as bluntly and rudely as possible. Or how the entire Naturally, as a Democrat I absolutely ADORE these jokes even more as an adult, but I imagine more conservative cartoon fans would be far less nostalgic of this stuff if they only saw these types of episodes and jokes.

True, I wasn't even really a fan of the Animaniacs for these reasons as a kid, not because of my political beliefs, but simply because I was 10 years old and didn't know who the fuck they were referencing or talking about. When you have a cartoon aimed at kids with half the jokes being aimed at executives and politicians, my younger self is going to lose interest real fast.

That's one of the not-so-great things about '90's cartoons, up until South Park came out and made adult animation (at least adult comedy) more mainstream, you'd have all these cartoons awkwardly trying to appeal to both adults and children because the showrunner clearly didn't want a "kiddie" show but at the same time their hands were tied by the editors/censors at children's networks like Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. Rocko's Modern Life, for instance, made a LOT more sense to me once I hit my early 20's and my parents decided it was time to stop babying me, similar to Rocko and his parents. And of course, the less said about the 4Kids version of One Piece, the better (legendary "dad-rap" opening aside), though technically that is more 2000's than '90's. At least now animators and studios can choose whether they want to work for a kid's network or a raunchy teen/adult-centric network, and anime is shown on the "Adult Swim" version of Toonami instead of the "Cartoon Network" version.

It would be nice if children's cartoons generally still had subtle adult humor to make it somewhat bearable for the parents to watch, though, it doesn't have to be as on-the-nose as directly calling out politicians and "influencers" ruining their children's future, of course.

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/2/24 03:14 AM, MondoBilby wrote:Sure, people do talk about them for a bit, but once it's been long enough they always get pushed into the back to make room for a myriad of complaint videos about bad shows that released like 6 months ago.
People love to complain, and people really love saying the old days were better (it spreads to every generation, as much as we hate it). I'd like to see more positive videos and reviews for the movies and shows that actually deserve the attention, because there really are a lot more good ones than you would believe.

And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

At 4/6/24 02:20 PM, Tenebrare wrote:

At 4/6/24 12:39 PM, Mazooe wrote:I think we're missing a point here, it doesn't need Akira levels of animation to be good, I mentioned Ruby Gloom which was as Flash animation as things could get, there's also Total Drama Island (fuck the sequels) Flash, stiff and odd looking but both had charm, CHARM!
We truly are being superficial about how a show looks or animated instead of the actual content.

Take one of my 90s favourites for example, Daria, animation was limited as fuck and the style was kinda generic but it was a good show, Beavis and Butthead was even more limited and it left a huge legacy.

I do not think WE are missing here anything. WE simply have different metric on what we find appealing or cool. I do think that visual is part of the very charm and you cannot put charm into procuct you do not care for and I find later animations had the problem of commercialization to new level due production becoming much cheaper and you did not need as much pre-pro time and talent. I think things are interconnected that when authors cared of their characters they also wanted to put more their soul into visual aspect. When the making became easier, so did the stories.

I never liked Beavis and Butthead nor Daria, but that is not important. When i made my last post i had just seen the S1 of the real ghostbusters cartoons which their copyright owner had loaded on YT. I would take those series over any modern cartoon any time.

At 4/6/24 02:44 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 10:18 AM, Yopenatals wrote:

I'm so sick and tired of this condescending and flippant attitude certain people have towards the criticism of PC culture and modern censorship

There is major censorship on sites like Youtube, Reddit and other social media platforms, which is singlehandedly destroying freedom of expression and critical thinking and creating a culture of fear - If you find certain content is worthy of criticism or not is up to the individual (even though I personally don't think this good attitude) but ideologies becoming dominant to the point in which you have to censor yourself due to a society of fear and compliance is morally wrong

what's more, these ideologs your defending stem from oversensitivity and mass offence, so your point is damn hypocritical - how about criticising one of the many youtube essays getting mad about a supposedly "transphobic" joke from a movie made about 20 years ago?

At 4/6/24 04:25 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/2/24 03:14 AM, MondoBilby wrote:Sure, people do talk about them for a bit, but once it's been long enough they always get pushed into the back to make room for a myriad of complaint videos about bad shows that released like 6 months ago.
People love to complain, and people really love saying the old days were better (it spreads to every generation, as much as we hate it). I'd like to see more positive videos and reviews for the movies and shows that actually deserve the attention, because there really are a lot more good ones than you would believe.

And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

I shit you not I knew nothing (and still don't) about Velma until the outrage... but I was too busy not giving a fuck

At 4/6/24 06:06 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/6/24 04:25 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/2/24 03:14 AM, MondoBilby wrote:Sure, people do talk about them for a bit, but once it's been long enough they always get pushed into the back to make room for a myriad of complaint videos about bad shows that released like 6 months ago.
People love to complain, and people really love saying the old days were better (it spreads to every generation, as much as we hate it). I'd like to see more positive videos and reviews for the movies and shows that actually deserve the attention, because there really are a lot more good ones than you would believe.

And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

I shit you not I knew nothing (and still don't) about Velma until the outrage... but I was too busy not giving a fuck

So forgettable that it wasn't even worth giving a fuck.

At 4/6/24 04:25 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

I shit you not I knew nothing (and still don't) about Velma until the outrage... but I was too busy not giving a fuck

At 4/6/24 06:11 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 06:06 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/6/24 04:25 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/2/24 03:14 AM, MondoBilby wrote:Sure, people do talk about them for a bit, but once it's been long enough they always get pushed into the back to make room for a myriad of complaint videos about bad shows that released like 6 months ago.
People love to complain, and people really love saying the old days were better (it spreads to every generation, as much as we hate it). I'd like to see more positive videos and reviews for the movies and shows that actually deserve the attention, because there really are a lot more good ones than you would believe.

And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

I shit you not I knew nothing (and still don't) about Velma until the outrage... but I was too busy not giving a fuck

So forgettable that it wasn't even worth giving a fuck.

Yeah, to be real, I'm an adult woman, I have a family, I have work. Only those terminally online manchildrend from /co/ give a fuck about cartoons. I just get back from work, pop a few pills and Invader Zim DVDs and chill

At 4/6/24 06:22 PM, Chdonga wrote:

At 4/6/24 04:25 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

I shit you not I knew nothing (and still don't) about Velma until the outrage... but I was too busy not giving a fuck

I'll be real with you. Velma wasn't even bad. If it weren't for the fact that they were really beating the "sheltered white dudes, amirite, ladies?" joke to a pulp I'd go so far as to call it good. As far as other mainstream animated edgy comedies from the past ten years or so go it was solid. It had some really good animation whenever Velma goes in a nightmare sequence also and I like the comic book-y shading that they went with. People blew the bad parts out of proportion.

Someone needs to come up with a term for when somebody complains about a piece of media so aggressively that it causes people to go into it with extremely low standards and thus they end up finding stuff to enjoy about it.

At 4/6/24 06:23 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/6/24 06:11 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 06:06 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/6/24 04:25 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 01:30 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 4/2/24 03:14 AM, MondoBilby wrote:Sure, people do talk about them for a bit, but once it's been long enough they always get pushed into the back to make room for a myriad of complaint videos about bad shows that released like 6 months ago.
People love to complain, and people really love saying the old days were better (it spreads to every generation, as much as we hate it). I'd like to see more positive videos and reviews for the movies and shows that actually deserve the attention, because there really are a lot more good ones than you would believe.

And the thing is that all this complaining does is put more of a spotlight on these negative animations when one could just be talking about how amazing the other animations are, like "A Fox in Space".

I shit you not I knew nothing (and still don't) about Velma until the outrage... but I was too busy not giving a fuck

So forgettable that it wasn't even worth giving a fuck.

Yeah, to be real, I'm an adult woman, I have a family, I have work. Only those terminally online manchildrend from /co/ give a fuck about cartoons. I just get back from work, pop a few pills and Invader Zim DVDs and chill

Most of those people are putting more power into the problems instead of the solutions, and then these same people wonder why they cannot fix their own lives. Not judging though, I've been there.

At 4/6/24 12:24 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/1/24 11:24 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

...what are you complaining about? What year were you born? What cartoons did you watch as a kid?

Hm... Child friendly TV cartoons being PC. A shock really. I'd would be kinda confused if a cartoon character told me my Asian friend across the street was a national enemy back in the 90s.

Adult TV cartoons don't really appeal to children unless it had lots of gag content (south park).

Movie Cartoons have a dallop of life or death.

Most theaters are owned by the few and are usually working hand in hand with the MPAA, so it's unlikely you will see fritz the cat or similar movies in today's theaters.

you missed my point, cartoons from the 90's, even the ones not for adults, were clearly far more irreverent and original - just take a look at cartoons such as Ren and Stimpy or Ed Edd n Eddy compared to anything being put out now

The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

What in ass's name are you saying? Fritz is tame by today's standards and Family Guy and South Park are still going on.

Ed, Edd and Eddie was fun but objectively the art style sucked and the fun was "kids doing kid shit and acting like greedy fucks while being stalked by, bro seriously I wanna bang Marie Kanker"

Ren and Stimpy is overrated, I said it.

And about PC culture, you're the only one that gives a shit. Look at how many parodies of the SJWs and PC culture there are. If people don't go throwing the N word for "jokes" maybe it's because it *is* unfunny, not offensive per se, offensively unfunny.

And seriously I can't remember the last time I haven't heard jokes about drugs on cartoons or sitcoms

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 12:24 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/1/24 11:24 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

...what are you complaining about? What year were you born? What cartoons did you watch as a kid?

Hm... Child friendly TV cartoons being PC. A shock really. I'd would be kinda confused if a cartoon character told me my Asian friend across the street was a national enemy back in the 90s.

Adult TV cartoons don't really appeal to children unless it had lots of gag content (south park).

Movie Cartoons have a dallop of life or death.

Most theaters are owned by the few and are usually working hand in hand with the MPAA, so it's unlikely you will see fritz the cat or similar movies in today's theaters.

you missed my point, cartoons from the 90's, even the ones not for adults, were clearly far more irreverent and original - just take a look at cartoons such as Ren and Stimpy or Ed Edd n Eddy compared to anything being put out now

The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

What in ass's name are you saying? Fritz is tame by today's standards and Family Guy and South Park are still going on.

Ed, Edd and Eddie was fun but objectively the art style sucked and the fun was "kids doing kid shit and acting like greedy fucks while being stalked by, bro seriously I wanna bang Marie Kanker"

Ren and Stimpy is overrated, I said it.

And about PC culture, you're the only one that gives a shit. Look at how many parodies of the SJWs and PC culture there are. If people don't go throwing the N word for "jokes" maybe it's because it *is* unfunny, not offensive per se, offensively unfunny.

And seriously I can't remember the last time I haven't heard jokes about drugs on cartoons or sitcoms

There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit

It may not be to your taste, but my point is it was a cartoon that was majorly revolutionary and taking risks

tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

Yes but the past drugs were more of a taboo, so making drug jokes was more irreverent - now it's just safe and sloppy

I'm with you on Marie Kanker tho

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

At 4/6/24 07:09 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 12:24 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/1/24 11:24 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

...what are you complaining about? What year were you born? What cartoons did you watch as a kid?

Hm... Child friendly TV cartoons being PC. A shock really. I'd would be kinda confused if a cartoon character told me my Asian friend across the street was a national enemy back in the 90s.

Adult TV cartoons don't really appeal to children unless it had lots of gag content (south park).

Movie Cartoons have a dallop of life or death.

Most theaters are owned by the few and are usually working hand in hand with the MPAA, so it's unlikely you will see fritz the cat or similar movies in today's theaters.

you missed my point, cartoons from the 90's, even the ones not for adults, were clearly far more irreverent and original - just take a look at cartoons such as Ren and Stimpy or Ed Edd n Eddy compared to anything being put out now

The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

What in ass's name are you saying? Fritz is tame by today's standards and Family Guy and South Park are still going on.

Ed, Edd and Eddie was fun but objectively the art style sucked and the fun was "kids doing kid shit and acting like greedy fucks while being stalked by, bro seriously I wanna bang Marie Kanker"

Ren and Stimpy is overrated, I said it.

And about PC culture, you're the only one that gives a shit. Look at how many parodies of the SJWs and PC culture there are. If people don't go throwing the N word for "jokes" maybe it's because it *is* unfunny, not offensive per se, offensively unfunny.

And seriously I can't remember the last time I haven't heard jokes about drugs on cartoons or sitcoms

There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit

It may not be to your taste, but my point is it was a cartoon that was majorly revolutionary and taking risks

tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

Yes but the past drugs were more of a taboo, so making drug jokes was more irreverent - now it's just safe and sloppy

I'm with you on Marie Kanker tho

Dude literally it all boils down to "They don't say n***a so I'm unhappy because they're playing it safe"

Many black comedians often wonder if their use of the word n***a isn't degrading because it ends up as tomfoolery, now if a racist character were to use the N word with the hard R to show he is a racist (and somehow make comedy of that) that's another story, but there's already a film about it (Blazing Saddles) so I really don't get your whining.

At 4/6/24 07:47 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:09 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 12:24 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/1/24 11:24 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

...what are you complaining about? What year were you born? What cartoons did you watch as a kid?

Hm... Child friendly TV cartoons being PC. A shock really. I'd would be kinda confused if a cartoon character told me my Asian friend across the street was a national enemy back in the 90s.

Adult TV cartoons don't really appeal to children unless it had lots of gag content (south park).

Movie Cartoons have a dallop of life or death.

Most theaters are owned by the few and are usually working hand in hand with the MPAA, so it's unlikely you will see fritz the cat or similar movies in today's theaters.

you missed my point, cartoons from the 90's, even the ones not for adults, were clearly far more irreverent and original - just take a look at cartoons such as Ren and Stimpy or Ed Edd n Eddy compared to anything being put out now

The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

What in ass's name are you saying? Fritz is tame by today's standards and Family Guy and South Park are still going on.

Ed, Edd and Eddie was fun but objectively the art style sucked and the fun was "kids doing kid shit and acting like greedy fucks while being stalked by, bro seriously I wanna bang Marie Kanker"

Ren and Stimpy is overrated, I said it.

And about PC culture, you're the only one that gives a shit. Look at how many parodies of the SJWs and PC culture there are. If people don't go throwing the N word for "jokes" maybe it's because it *is* unfunny, not offensive per se, offensively unfunny.

And seriously I can't remember the last time I haven't heard jokes about drugs on cartoons or sitcoms

There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit

It may not be to your taste, but my point is it was a cartoon that was majorly revolutionary and taking risks

tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

Yes but the past drugs were more of a taboo, so making drug jokes was more irreverent - now it's just safe and sloppy

I'm with you on Marie Kanker tho

Dude literally it all boils down to "They don't say n***a so I'm unhappy because they're playing it safe"

Many black comedians often wonder if their use of the word n***a isn't degrading because it ends up as tomfoolery, now if a racist character were to use the N word with the hard R to show he is a racist (and somehow make comedy of that) that's another story, but there's already a film about it (Blazing Saddles) so I really don't get your whining.

I gave other examples aswell

It's up to the general audience and genuine critics to decide if a word is being used in poor taste, my issue is if it's being flat out censored or cut

yes but Blazing Saddles is 1974, there's no way it would be greenlit today

At 4/6/24 07:50 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:47 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:09 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/6/24 07:05 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/6/24 12:24 PM, Mazooe wrote:

At 4/2/24 12:45 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:

At 4/1/24 11:24 PM, YendorNG wrote:

At 4/1/24 08:09 PM, OisinBuckley wrote:Thoughts? I think we've entered a new dark age of animation, worse than the 80's.

There are exceptions (such as primal, smiling friends, Miles Morales spider man) but it has pretty much become the norm in the past decade to make animation safe and PC, even in terms of design and cartoon style. Compare this to the 90's or even the 2000's, the climate has undeniably vastly changed

I can't seem to understand this, but Pixar, Nickelodeon, cartoon network, (most of) illumination, the majority of cartoons online - even adult swim is going down this route with shows like tuca and berti. As an animation fan this really bums me out and I feel that studios could do FAR better

...what are you complaining about? What year were you born? What cartoons did you watch as a kid?

Hm... Child friendly TV cartoons being PC. A shock really. I'd would be kinda confused if a cartoon character told me my Asian friend across the street was a national enemy back in the 90s.

Adult TV cartoons don't really appeal to children unless it had lots of gag content (south park).

Movie Cartoons have a dallop of life or death.

Most theaters are owned by the few and are usually working hand in hand with the MPAA, so it's unlikely you will see fritz the cat or similar movies in today's theaters.

you missed my point, cartoons from the 90's, even the ones not for adults, were clearly far more irreverent and original - just take a look at cartoons such as Ren and Stimpy or Ed Edd n Eddy compared to anything being put out now

The problem when it comes to movies like fritz the cat not being made today is the overbearing PC culture - Fritz would be considered too raunchy and racially insensitive (despite it being a pro-civil rights film), If it came out now they would probably be safe edgy jokes (drug culture, SAFE sex jokes, out of touch religious digs, etc)

Even South Park wouldn't be greenlit today, and if you asked most teenagers they most likely wouldn't have even seen it. My point is modern animation is primarily bland and safe and does little to challenge

What in ass's name are you saying? Fritz is tame by today's standards and Family Guy and South Park are still going on.

Ed, Edd and Eddie was fun but objectively the art style sucked and the fun was "kids doing kid shit and acting like greedy fucks while being stalked by, bro seriously I wanna bang Marie Kanker"

Ren and Stimpy is overrated, I said it.

And about PC culture, you're the only one that gives a shit. Look at how many parodies of the SJWs and PC culture there are. If people don't go throwing the N word for "jokes" maybe it's because it *is* unfunny, not offensive per se, offensively unfunny.

And seriously I can't remember the last time I haven't heard jokes about drugs on cartoons or sitcoms

There are plenty of things in fritz that you wouldn't get away with in today's standards (Fritz's lusting after women, stereotypes, racial satire, use of the word "n****r" and the overall crude style) , and I meant South Park and Family Guy wouldn't be greenlit

It may not be to your taste, but my point is it was a cartoon that was majorly revolutionary and taking risks

tbh I don't think i've seen any youtuber using the word n****r or any other words on that term (faggot, etc....), it seems even making an edgy joke can now land you in hot water (just look at Joe Rogan or Pewdiepie). Youtubers making money from the site now have to censor themselves so as not to get demonetised

Yes but the past drugs were more of a taboo, so making drug jokes was more irreverent - now it's just safe and sloppy

I'm with you on Marie Kanker tho

Dude literally it all boils down to "They don't say n***a so I'm unhappy because they're playing it safe"

Many black comedians often wonder if their use of the word n***a isn't degrading because it ends up as tomfoolery, now if a racist character were to use the N word with the hard R to show he is a racist (and somehow make comedy of that) that's another story, but there's already a film about it (Blazing Saddles) so I really don't get your whining.

I gave other examples aswell

It's up to the general audience and genuine critics to decide if a word is being used in poor taste, my issue is if it's being flat out censored or cut

yes but Blazing Saddles is 1974, there's no way it would be greenlit today

You keep saying "being greenlit" as if you wanted someone else to watch what you want Blazing Saddles was a success and to this day I quote that film with friends and there's a word for shit like that "Timeless classic" If you want something easy to do, sell and consume then you're no different, if not worst, than what you're complaining 'bout.

At 4/6/24 04:28 PM, Mazooe wrote:That's truth but it misses the point of my post. My art is shit but I still publish it because it's what I do, I've seen some animated series which had different levels of quality but I enjoyed them because of the content. Visuals are cool, of course, but flash animation don't make it less cool, like, you're lying your ass off if you tell me Ruby Gloom didn't have unique visuals. As for charm, yeah, one of the reasons I left MLP was because although the animation and shading and alll that graphical bull went up it lacked the charm and simplicity of the first seasons.

At 4/7/24 02:07 AM, Tenebrare wrote:

At 4/6/24 04:28 PM, Mazooe wrote:That's truth but it misses the point of my post. My art is shit but I still publish it because it's what I do, I've seen some animated series which had different levels of quality but I enjoyed them because of the content. Visuals are cool, of course, but flash animation don't make it less cool, like, you're lying your ass off if you tell me Ruby Gloom didn't have unique visuals. As for charm, yeah, one of the reasons I left MLP was because although the animation and shading and alll that graphical bull went up it lacked the charm and simplicity of the first seasons.

Not missing any points, just different opinion and that is ok.

I have never heard of Ruby Gloom, but didn't MLP visuals went down not up just because the technology changed. Crisper edge does not mean it went "better", it went cleaner, but doesn't mean it even had proper framerate to look good on modern screens. So we still speak of same thing: charm, but I claim that simplification of making process (not the visual simplification you see as viewer on its own) caused the creators put less effort in narrative and character development and viewer simply cannot connect to characters that have no personality and follow some template.

There are other issues with western cartoons and media now, but we all know what those problems are without need for me to say that. If you hire people based on something else than passion and merit, you get half a**ed products no one cares about. Not even the authors.

Overall i have belief that, when corporate wants something to be "mainstream" - then the product has also need to be most bland and mediocre to appeal wider range of masses. And maybe just in 2010+ we have when technology became more accessible and profits became bigger, we just started to get higher volume of those soulless cartoons and its what just got on sight of people.

I personally am more of a horror films fan, and do not pay too much attention to cartoons, and my intent is not to seek 'rights' in this thread outside that I personally just prefer old styles and stories more. Each their own etc etc.