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Discouraged Artists’ Support Group

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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-14 21:50:12


At 4/14/24 08:57 PM, lucifertan wrote:what is your threshold of "still young"? if you already exceed it, your goal is unachievable which means you need to change it.


I guess it means "younger than 18" because that's how old I was when I started. It seems nearly every artist on Twitter with thousands of followers, as well as many popular artists on this very site, became well-known long before the age I was when I picked up a pencil for the first time. What would you propose I change the goal to?


drawing, video games, social media. what other words beside fun can you think of to associate them with? btw you used to associate drawing as fun.


I used to when I started drawing digitally on a tablet, but that was before the novelty wore off. I guess another word to describe them would be "engaging"?


it seems like you always drop out after doing the first few exercises, citing no improvement.


I did pretty much every exercise in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (except the ones that required a real other person in front of you to draw) and How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way, and the only reason I stopped doing the drawabox.com lessons was because I couldn't wrap my head around the "texture analysis" exercise and the advice from the person who recommended that site in the first place was "If you got stuck then you didn't do the previous exercises completely. Start over from the beginning."


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-15 00:36:34


At 4/14/24 09:50 PM, switzrr wrote:I guess it means "younger than 18" because that's how old I was when I started. It seems nearly every artist on Twitter with thousands of followers, as well as many popular artists on this very site, became well-known long before the age I was when I picked up a pencil for the first time. What would you propose I change the goal to?


you already have one don't you? getting yourself to draw more frequently, which i assume is why you took on the challenge. if you are talking about overarching ones, mine is to make art for my game.


I used to when I started drawing digitally on a tablet, but that was before the novelty wore off. I guess another word to describe them would be "engaging"?


for me, the words i associate with social media is quick, negative, mindless, endless. games and drawing i associate with fun, challenge, exploration, grind but drawing is something i have a goal with. before i do any of the activities, those words come to my mind and i ask myself if those are the things i want to experience for the day. i still browse social media, play games and draw but the rate at which i do them is more inline with my goal. when you stop the activity for the day, reflect on how you feel and those thoughts will become words that are associated and subsequently reinforced for the activity. position your thoughts positively for things you want to do more and negatively for things you wish to do less of.


I did pretty much every exercise in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (except the ones that required a real other person in front of you to draw) and How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way, and the only reason I stopped doing the drawabox.com lessons was because I couldn't wrap my head around the "texture analysis" exercise and the advice from the person who recommended that site in the first place was "If you got stuck then you didn't do the previous exercises completely. Start over from the beginning."


start over from the beginning then. it doesn't seem like you grasped anything in lesson 0.


At 4/15/24 12:36 AM, lucifertan wrote:start over from the beginning then. it doesn't seem like you grasped anything in lesson 0.


I just re-read Lesson 0 for a refresher to see if anything I've typed has contradicted it and it basically says "Don't be afraid to draw something badly" (which I understand, but I don't see how it contradicts anything I've typed in this thread) and "Make sure to spend as much time drawing for fun as you spend on this course", a rule I didn't follow when I did DrawABox because IMO drawing is not fun.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-15 02:06:00


At 4/15/24 12:58 AM, switzrr wrote:I just re-read Lesson 0 for a refresher to see if anything I've typed has contradicted it and it basically says "Don't be afraid to draw something badly" (which I understand, but I don't see how it contradicts anything I've typed in this thread) and "Make sure to spend as much time drawing for fun as you spend on this course", a rule I didn't follow when I did DrawABox because IMO drawing is not fun.


its an observation of your art. what are the core fundamentals of drawing?


to insist associating drawing with a negative connotation when it is one of the excuses you use to allow yourself out of pursuing your goal is the same as stacking more bricks on the wall you want to overcome.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-15 18:54:23


I'm not sure I understand the first half of your response ...


At 4/15/24 02:06 AM, lucifertan wrote:its an observation of your art.


What's an "observation of my art"?


what are the core fundamentals of drawing?


Are you asking because you want to know or are you testing me?


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At 4/15/24 06:54 PM, switzrr wrote:I'm not sure I understand the first half of your response ...
At 4/15/24 02:06 AM, lucifertan wrote:its an observation of your art.


What's an "observation of my art"?

what are the core fundamentals of drawing?


Are you asking because you want to know or are you testing me?


Your missing the point of his post given the context of his whole post. He's saying that if you keep giving a negative connatation to drawing the more likely you're not going to want to draw.


Im not saying you have to put a positive one to it but accept the craft of drawung for what it is and not make it feel positive or negative. Thats my advice there.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-16 02:58:54


At 4/15/24 06:54 PM, switzrr wrote:What's an "observation of my art"?


the thoughts, processes and attitude i perceived from your drawings.


Are you asking because you want to know or are you testing me?


it is for you to ask yourself when you draw. with it figured out, then ask if you are denying yourself the opportunity to hone them.


Welcome, @T3CN0. Your thread I saw would be a good reason to revive this place.


Since I wasn’t there before the thread was locked, I’ll give my advice here: The easiest key to popularity on NG is interacting with other people. The forums are a great place to make friends with fellow creators, join collab projects, and post your own stuff (via a portfolio thread in the Art Forum). Post on other people’s threads as well as making your own, too.


That’s how I got my fanbase initially, before I started hosting collabs. I hope this helps!


Someone please help me revive my clubs

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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-20 11:26:10


thanks for the advice man!!!

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-22 19:40:52


Trying to get back to art, but something is just not clicking to me on what should I do to get back to it. Does anyone have a suggestion on what I could do to get back to art?

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-22 21:56:10


At 4/22/24 07:40 PM, LucidFox3 wrote:Trying to get back to art, but something is just not clicking to me on what should I do to get back to it. Does anyone have a suggestion on what I could do to get back to art?


I recommend introducing time limits. Most hesitation comes from a fear of wasting time on bad ideas or otherwise bad work, so make your use of time more structured.


If you use something like Line of Action to do timed subjects (short intervals like 1-5 minutes each,) you'll only have time to draw, no time for doubting yourself. Use it until you don't feel so rusty, and then you can go back to doing what you want without setting limits (or you could keep limits on yourself if you find it really helps).

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-22 23:19:46


truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual


At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual


I dont usually intrude on safe spaces but this perspective makes me so angry. You're a hypocrite.



THEY get to post fetish junk but MY fetish junk is ignored!!!!!

Simply a matter of skill. Get better and you will get scouted, then you will be able to add your piss in a sea of piss.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 00:01:30


At 4/22/24 09:56 PM, Skoops wrote:
At 4/22/24 07:40 PM, LucidFox3 wrote:Trying to get back to art, but something is just not clicking to me on what should I do to get back to it. Does anyone have a suggestion on what I could do to get back to art?

I recommend introducing time limits. Most hesitation comes from a fear of wasting time on bad ideas or otherwise bad work, so make your use of time more structured.

If you use something like Line of Action to do timed subjects (short intervals like 1-5 minutes each,) you'll only have time to draw, no time for doubting yourself. Use it until you don't feel so rusty, and then you can go back to doing what you want without setting limits (or you could keep limits on yourself if you find it really helps).


I'll give this suggestion a try, thanks.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 00:30:44


At 4/22/24 11:51 PM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual

I dont usually intrude on safe spaces but this perspective makes me so angry. You're a hypocrite.

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/kingskywarp97/day-11-of-100

THEY get to post fetish junk but MY fetish junk is ignored!!!!!
Simply a matter of skill. Get better and you will get scouted, then you will be able to add your piss in a sea of piss.


Thats not fetish art thats fanart for someone oc over on twitter . yesh

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 00:32:06


At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual


I will posit my take as someone who scrolls art by new (and votes on them as my main source of XP): Newgrounds definitely isn't the site for casual art/doodle posting, as most artists here seem ludicrously skilled by comparison to the "new" queue on like, DeviantArt. There's plenty of pieces where you can clearly judge how much effort the artist put in; which is not very much, and those get washed away in the sea of mediocrity.


Also, fetish/lewd art is extremely polarizing, especially if it's just not... drawn well. Those require a certain level of skill/confidence to post, because if it's bad no one—even your target audience—will find it appealing.


Basically there's no shortcut around "git gud" if you want to get scouted, and after a few good pieces (yes, it will definitely take more than one piece) it'll get noticed. Otherwise just... go on DeviantArt or something?

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 00:33:10


At 4/22/24 11:51 PM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual

I dont usually intrude on safe spaces but this perspective makes me so angry. You're a hypocrite.

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/kingskywarp97/day-11-of-100

THEY get to post fetish junk but MY fetish junk is ignored!!!!!
Simply a matter of skill. Get better and you will get scouted, then you will be able to add your piss in a sea of piss.


also my profile is marked nsfw

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 00:36:37


At 4/23/24 12:30 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:51 PM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual

I dont usually intrude on safe spaces but this perspective makes me so angry. You're a hypocrite.

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/kingskywarp97/day-11-of-100

THEY get to post fetish junk but MY fetish junk is ignored!!!!!
Simply a matter of skill. Get better and you will get scouted, then you will be able to add your piss in a sea of piss.

Thats not fetish art thats fanart for someone oc over on twitter . yesh


Ah yes, the gallery full of women with tits the size of their head is not meant to be erotic, purely straight edge art here, truly above and more deserving of attention than those fetish artists. Sexy girl in pose, what a concept. Really breaking the mold there by the way, even if somehow I take you seriously.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 00:37:24


At 4/23/24 12:32 AM, ghthhgfhg wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual

I will posit my take as someone who scrolls art by new (and votes on them as my main source of XP): Newgrounds definitely isn't the site for casual art/doodle posting, as most artists here seem ludicrously skilled by comparison to the "new" queue on like, DeviantArt. There's plenty of pieces where you can clearly judge how much effort the artist put in; which is not very much, and those get washed away in the sea of mediocrity.

Also, fetish/lewd art is extremely polarizing, especially if it's just not... drawn well. Those require a certain level of skill/confidence to post, because if it's bad no one—even your target audience—will find it appealing.

Basically there's no shortcut around "git gud" if you want to get scouted, and after a few good pieces (yes, it will definitely take more than one piece) it'll get noticed. Otherwise just... go on DeviantArt or something?


so what just keep slaving away until i appease the gods with good art work , or go to a website drowning in ai , and a ungodly amount of fetiish art .


At 4/23/24 12:44 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:42 AM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:39 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:36 AM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:30 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:51 PM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual

I dont usually intrude on safe spaces but this perspective makes me so angry. You're a hypocrite.

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/kingskywarp97/day-11-of-100

THEY get to post fetish junk but MY fetish junk is ignored!!!!!
Simply a matter of skill. Get better and you will get scouted, then you will be able to add your piss in a sea of piss.

Thats not fetish art thats fanart for someone oc over on twitter . yesh

Ah yes, the gallery full of women with tits the size of their head is not meant to be erotic, purely straight edge art here, truly above and more deserving of attention than those fetish artists. Sexy girl in pose, what a concept. Really breaking the mold there by the way, even if somehow I take you seriously.

i just draw women with bigger bust my guy not sure why your just automatically assuming its fetish work. thier just breast

Wow its so crazy how they're all like that! its almost like its a fetish

do you think breast are inherently sexual or something ?


Okay, we’re well into a derailing. You two can take this subject to Private Messages.

Next one to speak on these comically well-endowed women in this thread gets a ban.

I’ve deleted a few of the derailing posts, but kept the initial few. For posterity.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-04-23 09:03:55


At 4/23/24 02:38 AM, SourCherryJack wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:44 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:42 AM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:39 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:36 AM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/23/24 12:30 AM, kingskywarp97 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:51 PM, Template88 wrote:
At 4/22/24 11:19 PM, kingskywarp97 wrote:truth be told this whole site discourages me , this whole scouting thing the site has just had my brain in a swirl all week, i mean the fact that i can keep submitting art for the next five years and still not earn the right have my art posted next to the fetish junk just sucks, it really makes me just want to no even post art work here , i mean whats the point if no one is ever gonna see it unless they look for me manual

I dont usually intrude on safe spaces but this perspective makes me so angry. You're a hypocrite.

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/kingskywarp97/day-11-of-100

THEY get to post fetish junk but MY fetish junk is ignored!!!!!
Simply a matter of skill. Get better and you will get scouted, then you will be able to add your piss in a sea of piss.

Thats not fetish art thats fanart for someone oc over on twitter . yesh

Ah yes, the gallery full of women with tits the size of their head is not meant to be erotic, purely straight edge art here, truly above and more deserving of attention than those fetish artists. Sexy girl in pose, what a concept. Really breaking the mold there by the way, even if somehow I take you seriously.

i just draw women with bigger bust my guy not sure why your just automatically assuming its fetish work. thier just breast

Wow its so crazy how they're all like that! its almost like its a fetish

do you think breast are inherently sexual or something ?

Okay, we’re well into a derailing. You two can take this subject to Private Messages.
Next one to speak on these comically well-endowed women in this thread gets a ban.


sorry about that

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-16 21:17:06


Has anyone made any progress with their self-doubt in the last two months? I wish I could say yes for myself, but no...

At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-16 21:52:46


At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:


At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.


Hopefully that helps you. A bit of advice I could have uses a few years ago: if you notice you're consistently leaving sessions feeling worse than when you arrived, make sure to bring that up. Theres ways they can help you settle and "ground" before going back into regular life tasks.

It can be hard to express with anxiety, but the whole point is to help you, so its relivant. building that trust and communication is important


At 6/16/24 09:52 PM, AbstractOutliers wrote:
At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:
At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.


Hopefully that helps you. A bit of advice I could have uses a few years ago: if you notice you're consistently leaving sessions feeling worse than when you arrived, make sure to bring that up. Theres ways they can help you settle and "ground" before going back into regular life tasks.
It can be hard to express with anxiety, but the whole point is to help you, so its relivant. building that trust and communication is important


No sign of improvement after sessions is definitely my biggest worry going in, so I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! It's not going to be easy for me to express my issues with a stranger [I already have trouble doing that with family], but I think I can manage.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-17 12:47:29


At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:Has anyone made any progress with their self-doubt in the last two months? I wish I could say yes for myself, but no...
At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.


lol nope


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At 6/16/24 10:13 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:No sign of improvement after sessions is definitely my biggest worry going in, so I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! It's not going to be easy for me to express my issues with a stranger [I already have trouble doing that with family], but I think I can manage.


Sometimes, when feeling down it's easy to feel like no progress has been made. And it can be kinda hard to notice the strides in that moment. But once you look back to before you started, you should see some changes.

It was hard for me to open up too, and at first I was a sobbing wreck every session. Opening the door a crack let the floods out I guess. I can note now in those self doubt times: I don't cry everytime I'm honest about my feelings anymore. It can be easy to get down on yourself because you don't feel fully "fixed" yet, but those small steps do add up .

Also , I'd like to mention that if you do feel like it's not working, a different kind of therapy or therapist can make a huge difference.

I went from cbt to emdr, and it's been a great change for me. So don't blame yourself if it's not a good fit at first, there's other options too


Ps you could try make notes or a video as somewhat of a timestamp of how you were feeling before starting. That way, there's less room for mental bias later

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-17 16:17:10


At 6/16/24 10:13 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:
At 6/16/24 09:52 PM, AbstractOutliers wrote:
At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:
At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.


Wishes of good luck to you and other cool folks in a similar situation. Hope it may help.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-17 23:11:15


At 6/16/24 10:13 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:
At 6/16/24 09:52 PM, AbstractOutliers wrote:
At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:
At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.


Hopefully that helps you. A bit of advice I could have uses a few years ago: if you notice you're consistently leaving sessions feeling worse than when you arrived, make sure to bring that up. Theres ways they can help you settle and "ground" before going back into regular life tasks.
It can be hard to express with anxiety, but the whole point is to help you, so its relivant. building that trust and communication is important

No sign of improvement after sessions is definitely my biggest worry going in, so I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! It's not going to be easy for me to express my issues with a stranger [I already have trouble doing that with family], but I think I can manage.


I'd also like to mention feel free to shop around for a therapist if you can; no need to settle for one and stay if you feel like they aren't a good fit for you. It's important to feel comfortable and progress at your own pace.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-18 14:31:57


This is gonna sound kind of stupid, but I have been really unmotivated because I haven’t been able to get a second frontpaged artwork. I have always had a problem where I feel like I draw more for the compliments/attention, and I really like how the frontpage lets a lot more people see your art. Just kind of feeling like I’m not improving enough, or even my art style is regressing. It just kinda sucks, I put a lot of work into most of my art, I’m sad when it doesn’t get noticed as much. To be fair I think of lot of what I draw is probably not good enough for frontpaged anyway sadly. I just wish I was better at feeling less disappointed and more self motivated to draw instead of relying on external factors.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-06-18 14:51:00


At 6/18/24 02:31 PM, Halpmynamesucks wrote:This is gonna sound kind of stupid, but I have been really unmotivated because I haven’t been able to get a second frontpaged artwork. I have always had a problem where I feel like I draw more for the compliments/attention, and I really like how the frontpage lets a lot more people see your art. Just kind of feeling like I’m not improving enough, or even my art style is regressing. It just kinda sucks, I put a lot of work into most of my art, I’m sad when it doesn’t get noticed as much. To be fair I think of lot of what I draw is probably not good enough for frontpaged anyway sadly. I just wish I was better at feeling less disappointed and more self motivated to draw instead of relying on external factors.


If u feel the things you're drawing are not worth of a frontpage anymore, maybe that's a signal you should begin learning or trying new things, or you're gonna get stagnated. Also, you don't have to force yourself to draw if u don't want to, I've seen lots of artists (whether good or bad) that can easily not share anything for a month simply because they're not feeling motivated, and one day randomly share something cool.


Wanting to get frontpaged is a good motivator if you want to threat it as an achievement, not if u want that so you can feel "appreciated". When the need for love mixes with greediness, the results tend to be very depressing. Just focus on the ppl that follow and actually like seeing what u share


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