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Discouraged Artists’ Support Group

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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-01 23:58:47


At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.


It's been a month since I've been going there: I really like my therapist. He's a chill dude with a good sense of humor.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 01:14:43


At 8/1/24 11:58 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:
At 6/16/24 09:17 PM, SpikeyBlum wrote:At the very least, I finally decided to contact a CBT therapist and meet with them in a few days. It'll be my first time doing a therapy session, so it will be an exciting experience despite my anxiety. I hate feeling this way everyday.

It's been a month since I've been going there: I really like my therapist. He's a chill dude with a good sense of humor.


That’s great to hear! Glad that you found a therapist that you vibe with and can help you out going forward.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 02:59:21


At 9/6/23 04:26 PM, Thetageist wrote:
At 9/6/23 02:30 PM, 53xy83457 wrote:
At 9/6/23 11:25 AM, Thetageist wrote:Posted to add:
To start off (unless anyone else adds something first), I’m working on building a playlist on YouTube of videos related to mental health advice for creatives, like healthy ways to view your creative pursuits and work. I’ll post it here when I’ve gotten enough of them compiled.

"Healthy ways" you say. I was about to share how I find motivation when needed.
Basically this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl3njub9fno&t=15s
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't post here. Also I'm not an artist.

I mean, there’s certainly something to be said for doing things out of spite, as long as you don’t put that negative opinion on a pedestal and just take it as a fun challenge. Game dev and Youtuber Dani has a hate comment to thank for his ongoing game project, along with pretty much every other game he’s made recently. All because someone said he couldn’t make a 3D game!


this did not age well


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 04:06:02


At 8/2/24 02:59 AM, Obamaofg wrote:
At 9/6/23 04:26 PM, Thetageist wrote:
At 9/6/23 02:30 PM, 53xy83457 wrote:
At 9/6/23 11:25 AM, Thetageist wrote:Posted to add:
To start off (unless anyone else adds something first), I’m working on building a playlist on YouTube of videos related to mental health advice for creatives, like healthy ways to view your creative pursuits and work. I’ll post it here when I’ve gotten enough of them compiled.

"Healthy ways" you say. I was about to share how I find motivation when needed.
Basically this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl3njub9fno&t=15s
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't post here. Also I'm not an artist.

I mean, there’s certainly something to be said for doing things out of spite, as long as you don’t put that negative opinion on a pedestal and just take it as a fun challenge. Game dev and Youtuber Dani has a hate comment to thank for his ongoing game project, along with pretty much every other game he’s made recently. All because someone said he couldn’t make a 3D game!

this did not age well


Whaddya mean?

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 08:25:37


At 8/2/24 02:59 AM, Obamaofg wrote:
At 9/6/23 04:26 PM, Thetageist wrote:
At 9/6/23 02:30 PM, 53xy83457 wrote:
At 9/6/23 11:25 AM, Thetageist wrote:Posted to add:
To start off (unless anyone else adds something first), I’m working on building a playlist on YouTube of videos related to mental health advice for creatives, like healthy ways to view your creative pursuits and work. I’ll post it here when I’ve gotten enough of them compiled.

"Healthy ways" you say. I was about to share how I find motivation when needed.
Basically this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl3njub9fno&t=15s
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't post here. Also I'm not an artist.

I mean, there’s certainly something to be said for doing things out of spite, as long as you don’t put that negative opinion on a pedestal and just take it as a fun challenge. Game dev and Youtuber Dani has a hate comment to thank for his ongoing game project, along with pretty much every other game he’s made recently. All because someone said he couldn’t make a 3D game!

this did not age well


Sort of? If I recall, he was in the “doing Karlson and not really making videos” phase even back when I posted the comment. Though it was before he got kind of chased off the internet entirely by his own fan base demanding he make the game sooner…


(I have no idea if anything else has happened since. I hope this isn’t a milkshake duck scenario.)


Someone please help me revive my clubs

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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 19:39:27


Ok, I'll give this a go

I feel like I peaked last summer with:

Like, this got frontpaged AND liked by ninjamuffin69 and nothing I've ever done has come close to this level of popularity, and even though some of my newer stuff feels like it's better made, I feel I peaked on my fourth art here and will never be better than that


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 19:52:03


At 8/2/24 07:39 PM, SullyGuille wrote:Ok, I'll give this a go
I feel like I peaked last summer with:
https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/sullyguille/prepare-for-double
Like, this got frontpaged AND liked by ninjamuffin69 and nothing I've ever done has come close to this level of popularity, and even though some of my newer stuff feels like it's better made, I feel I peaked on my fourth art here and will never be better than that


Your art is fun, which is a quality that isnt particularly common, I'd be more proud of that than anything else. I wouldnt put too much stock in front pages. If you want to farm them though, you need to simply participate in events and contests, which is the reason why that art was front paged to begin with, it has little to do with its quality.


advocatus diaboli

Illustration | Animation

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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-02 21:33:32


At 9/9/23 09:20 AM, MondoBilby wrote:I'm having a bit of trouble getting myself to work on a comic I really want to make. I've been having ideas and making plans for it for maybe a couple years now, and I really want to get started on making it, but I'm scared to commit to something I'm not even sure will work out. I'm worried it won't be well written enough or have bad pacing or that after a few days I'll start to dislike it, and I know that these things are perfectly normal and bound to happen for a first comic, but I get so embarrassed when I make mistakes and I don't want people to think I'm incompetent at what I'm doing. I love getting constructive critisism, but at the same time I'm scared to share the comic to people if I do make it because I don't know if anyone will like it.
Anyone have any tips on how to overcome these feelings?


Dude I feel the exact same way… I’m really sorry to hear you feel this way. It’s awful. I really relate to the fear of not wanting to be seen as stupid or incompetent. To be honest I’m not quite sure yet how to overcome this feeling, but know you aren’t alone.

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-03 07:08:20


At 8/2/24 07:52 PM, Template88 wrote:
At 8/2/24 07:39 PM, SullyGuille wrote:Ok, I'll give this a go
I feel like I peaked last summer with:
https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/sullyguille/prepare-for-double
Like, this got frontpaged AND liked by ninjamuffin69 and nothing I've ever done has come close to this level of popularity, and even though some of my newer stuff feels like it's better made, I feel I peaked on my fourth art here and will never be better than that

Your art is fun, which is a quality that isnt particularly common, I'd be more proud of that than anything else. I wouldnt put too much stock in front pages. If you want to farm them though, you need to simply participate in events and contests, which is the reason why that art was front paged to begin with, it has little to do with its quality.


Hey man, I didn't get to thank you sooner, but thanks a lot, I do feel like my art is very fun, that's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me <3


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 00:50:58


Any of you sick of me on this thread yet? Well, too bad. I was going to make a separate thread, since I swear that this isn't more pathetic whining like I usually do, but I figured this has become the go-to thread for anyone needing help with questions related to the enjoyment of drawing and not exclusively a support group for discouraged artists I figured it might as well go here. So here goes.


While I don't find the act of drawing to be "suffering" or anything per se, I wouldn't say I enjoy it enough that I can make time for it and draw instead of doing things I perceive as more important, like playing video games or browsing social media. I used to genuinely look forward to drawing every day shortly after I made the switch to digital art and got a tablet, but that was before the novelty wore off. As one would expect, this is a major obstacle on the road to improvement.


I remember making a post on r/ArtistLounge a while ago asking how to force myself to sit down and draw, and a few of the responses were along the lines of "If you don't enjoy drawing even enough to draw for at least a few minutes every day, then perhaps drawing isn't for you.". In fact, I often see comments on that sub advising posters that they must enjoy every step of the process, and if not then they should find another hobby. So here's my question:


These are the different perspectives I have heard online regarding how much of the process is supposed to be enjoyable.

  1. "You must enjoy every step of the process, or else you should find something else to spend your time on." - some of the folks on r/ArtistLounge
  2. "You should at least enjoy some of the process, but doing the dirty work to improve isn't always going to be fun." - some experienced digital artists I've talked to on sites like Twitter and Newgrounds
  3. "Looking forward to the end result is good enough, but it would be beneficial to make the process more fun by letting go of the pressure you feel to be 'good'." - my therapist


Which of these perspectives is true? Could more than one possibly be true at the same time?


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 01:51:03


At 8/5/24 12:50 AM, switzrr wrote:Any of you sick of me on this thread yet? Well, too bad. I was going to make a separate thread, since I swear that this isn't more pathetic whining like I usually do, but I figured this has become the go-to thread for anyone needing help with questions related to the enjoyment of drawing and not exclusively a support group for discouraged artists I figured it might as well go here. So here goes.

While I don't find the act of drawing to be "suffering" or anything per se, I wouldn't say I enjoy it enough that I can make time for it and draw instead of doing things I perceive as more important, like playing video games or browsing social media. I used to genuinely look forward to drawing every day shortly after I made the switch to digital art and got a tablet, but that was before the novelty wore off. As one would expect, this is a major obstacle on the road to improvement.

I remember making a post on r/ArtistLounge a while ago asking how to force myself to sit down and draw, and a few of the responses were along the lines of "If you don't enjoy drawing even enough to draw for at least a few minutes every day, then perhaps drawing isn't for you.". In fact, I often see comments on that sub advising posters that they must enjoy every step of the process, and if not then they should find another hobby. So here's my question:

These are the different perspectives I have heard online regarding how much of the process is supposed to be enjoyable.

Which of these perspectives is true? Could more than one possibly be true at the same time?


I'm no art expert, and I'm certainly not a therapist, but I'd like to weigh in on the subject.


Regarding your question: yeah, I definitely think that more than one of these can be true, and there are probably even more non-mutually exclusive takes. In fact, the only one I would say is explicitly not true is number 1. Let me tell you something right now: it's impossible to enjoy everything about something. Even so-called dream jobs have elements to them that are just tedious or mundane. I think the people who advised you to give up drawing if you don't enjoy every step of the way aren't being honest with themselves. If they dug a little deeper they would probably easily find a part of the drawing process that they would happily remove if they could. The point is that you don't need to enjoy every step of the way: you need to learn to appreciate the steps you don't like as necessary stepping stones towards something you do like, which is more in line with number 2.


I would also take note of what your therapist said. Speaking from experience, putting pressure on yourself to make everything "perfect" is something that can grind your progress to a hault. I have this comic I deeply care about that I tried drawing at one point, but it quickly went nowhere because I was fussing over incredibly minute details and losing sight of the big picture. "Drawing" became "sitting at my desk for hours constantly berating myself for everything I was doing wrong and having maybe a few sketched panels to show for it". I quickly gave up because, hell, if it's not "perfect" why bother doing it? I could only start working on it in earnest when I cast that attitude aside and approached the process in the spirit of playful exploration: "I really want to tell this story and I really care about this character, so let's put it to paper no matter what it looks like." This isn't me saying you should just draw stick figures and call it a day: just draw to the best of your ability, and let that be enough for now - because it's all you can do. The funny thing about this mindset is that it will actually help you improve because you'll be drawing much more frequently and honing your skills in the process.


Of course, this is just one guy's opinion so take it with a pinch of salt. I hope it's at least somewhat helpful, and I wish you the best of luck with your art.


Thinking back, off in the distance, the future shone everywhere we looked

Underneath the beautiful blue sky

We were just a little bit afraid

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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 14:24:00


At 8/5/24 01:51 AM, vlsrb wrote:I'm no art expert, and I'm certainly not a therapist, but I'd like to weigh in on the subject.

Regarding your question: yeah, I definitely think that more than one of these can be true, and there are probably even more non-mutually exclusive takes. In fact, the only one I would say is explicitly not true is number 1. Let me tell you something right now: it's impossible to enjoy everything about something. Even so-called dream jobs have elements to them that are just tedious or mundane. I think the people who advised you to give up drawing if you don't enjoy every step of the way aren't being honest with themselves. If they dug a little deeper they would probably easily find a part of the drawing process that they would happily remove if they could. The point is that you don't need to enjoy every step of the way: you need to learn to appreciate the steps you don't like as necessary stepping stones towards something you do like, which is more in line with number 2.

I would also take note of what your therapist said. Speaking from experience, putting pressure on yourself to make everything "perfect" is something that can grind your progress to a hault. I have this comic I deeply care about that I tried drawing at one point, but it quickly went nowhere because I was fussing over incredibly minute details and losing sight of the big picture. "Drawing" became "sitting at my desk for hours constantly berating myself for everything I was doing wrong and having maybe a few sketched panels to show for it". I quickly gave up because, hell, if it's not "perfect" why bother doing it? I could only start working on it in earnest when I cast that attitude aside and approached the process in the spirit of playful exploration: "I really want to tell this story and I really care about this character, so let's put it to paper no matter what it looks like." This isn't me saying you should just draw stick figures and call it a day: just draw to the best of your ability, and let that be enough for now - because it's all you can do. The funny thing about this mindset is that it will actually help you improve because you'll be drawing much more frequently and honing your skills in the process.

Of course, this is just one guy's opinion so take it with a pinch of salt. I hope it's at least somewhat helpful, and I wish you the best of luck with your art.


Thank you for your answer!


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 14:51:03


well you can either draw or you can do nothing

Drawing might not help you but doing nothing because your peevish absolutely wont help you

Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 15:16:51


At 8/5/24 12:50 AM, switzrr wrote:Any of you sick of me on this thread yet? Well, too bad. I was going to make a separate thread, since I swear that this isn't more pathetic whining like I usually do, but I figured this has become the go-to thread for anyone needing help with questions related to the enjoyment of drawing and not exclusively a support group for discouraged artists I figured it might as well go here. So here goes.

While I don't find the act of drawing to be "suffering" or anything per se, I wouldn't say I enjoy it enough that I can make time for it and draw instead of doing things I perceive as more important, like playing video games or browsing social media. I used to genuinely look forward to drawing every day shortly after I made the switch to digital art and got a tablet, but that was before the novelty wore off. As one would expect, this is a major obstacle on the road to improvement.

I remember making a post on r/ArtistLounge a while ago asking how to force myself to sit down and draw, and a few of the responses were along the lines of "If you don't enjoy drawing even enough to draw for at least a few minutes every day, then perhaps drawing isn't for you.". In fact, I often see comments on that sub advising posters that they must enjoy every step of the process, and if not then they should find another hobby. So here's my question:

These are the different perspectives I have heard online regarding how much of the process is supposed to be enjoyable.

Which of these perspectives is true? Could more than one possibly be true at the same time?


Perspective #3 is spot fucking on! Once I eliminated the pressure and took my artistic growth slow, without pushing to improve so hard that drawing stops being fun, that's when I started improving for real!


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 15:23:34


At 8/5/24 03:16 PM, Czyszy wrote:Perspective #3 is spot fucking on! Once I eliminated the pressure and took my artistic growth slow, without pushing to improve so hard that drawing stops being fun, that's when I started improving for real!


So is it "you'll only start improving once you stop caring about improving", or is it "if you want to improve you have to put in the effort"? I've heard both quite often.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-05 15:26:14


At 8/5/24 03:23 PM, switzrr wrote:
At 8/5/24 03:16 PM, Czyszy wrote:Perspective #3 is spot fucking on! Once I eliminated the pressure and took my artistic growth slow, without pushing to improve so hard that drawing stops being fun, that's when I started improving for real!

So is it "you'll only start improving once you stop caring about improving", or is it "if you want to improve you have to put in the effort"? I've heard both quite often.


I'd say it's more like consecutively setting smaller goals and achieving them step by step, one thing at a time.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-06 07:28:08


At 8/5/24 03:23 PM, switzrr wrote:
At 8/5/24 03:16 PM, Czyszy wrote:Perspective #3 is spot fucking on! Once I eliminated the pressure and took my artistic growth slow, without pushing to improve so hard that drawing stops being fun, that's when I started improving for real!

So is it "you'll only start improving once you stop caring about improving", or is it "if you want to improve you have to put in the effort"? I've heard both quite often.


I would say you're missing the forest for the trees on this one. Whether it's "you'll only start improving once you stop caring about improving" or it's "if you want to improve you have to put in the effort" is irrelevant for you at this moment in time.

Right now you need to draw period in order to improve.


Beyond that, to your original point about enjoyment of the process of drawing I would say this: You've been having these motivational issues for as long as I've known you to be on the forum. From this time, and from the number of posts you've made about not enjoying art -- beyond that little blip when you switched to digital -- I don't think you are capable of enjoying the process of drawing enough for it to motivate you to draw on it's own. I think the novelty of digital spiked your interest because it opened new doors, but the once you walk through those doors and the novelty wore off you lost the drive to power through the plateaus of building the skills to reach a higher skill level and open new doors in the same way that switching to digital did for you prior.

With this in mind, I still understand that you want to improve as an artist. The good news is: you still can. Treat it like a job, like a real job, or a burden, acknowledge that enjoyment is secondary to your goals and embrace it. Go full automaton for skill building.

If they're available to you enroll in digital illustration classes somewhere to force you to do this. If not -- and I understand that you've tried this before -- go back to drawabox. If you really don't want to go back to drawabox: Do a couple dozen (or honestly as many as you can do) one-point perspective boxes every day -- on paper, with a ruler -- for a week, then do the next week with two-point, then three point (but spend minimum an hour on it time sunk in is important). Then draw and render a dozen spheres/pyramids/boxes/cylinders every day for a week, alternating surface textures, using references

Then set up some random household items and a still life drawing a day every day for a week. Then do a drawing of each of the gestalt principles every day for a week. And so on.

An important thing to remember during all of this - and this even goes for super experienced artists just brushing up on fundamentals -- when doing studies always go in without an ego, use references, and don't try to cheat the process. If you've already done perspective drawings, and rendered shapes, great! Do them again.


I understand the above block of text doesn't sound like much fun, but as I said earlier, it really isn't supposed to be, it is an extreme. Your issue with not finding art as important as videogames or browsing social media, is a tough one to overcome, both are literally Skinner boxes built to hold your attention for as long as possible by drip feeding you dopamine, and art is something where to get to where you want to be; it is going to require hours and hours and hours (etc) of actual work to achieve that dopamine. In a fair fight for your attention span, art is gonna lose every time.

And honestly at this point for you, with how long you've had these motivational issues, I think forcing yourself to do the above exercises every week like a robot for a few months is the only way you're going to progress to a point where you'll begin to become capable of being satisfied with your art.

Treating it like a structured obligation and forcing yourself to do it is going to get more done than wishing you were spending more time drawing while scrolling instagram.


All of that notwithstanding: I was going through your gallery, and your art has improved a solid amount in the past year, so good job on that! Keep working with references, and pay attention to the proportions of where body parts are in relation to each other in different poses. Sometimes it helps more to look at the shape the negative space makes that getting caught up in the form of the actual person.


Miscellaneous tips for sticking to the by the week regiment:

  • Pick a consistent time where you can block out an hour every day. Starting every session at X:00am/pm will reinforce the routine more effectively than a different time everyday.
  • Find a suitable source of consistent background noise with no interruptions/ad breaks/opportunities to take you out of "the zone"
  • keep a full bottle/cup of water/beverage of choice at your desk so you can't contrive a reason to get up to take a break to get some
  • be sure you schedule the time close enough to after a meal so that you will not be hungry and use that as a contrivance to end early so you can eat
  • no cheat days, once you allow a crack in the armor on something like this and skip a day it only gets easier and easier to skip the next ones.
  • Put your phone far enough away from you that it will not distract you, silence any non essential calls/alerts
  • if checking social media is a big enough issue: disconnect your computer from the internet while you work, download any references/guides to your computer beforehand.
  • Or block the social media sites from your computer for the hours you're working.

I don't know if it's going to reach to anyone but I would want to say something that would put my mind at ease.


I feel so fucking hard on myself as I just wanted to get into things I want to do. I don't want to think about the times right now as I just wanted to do my series project, fan-arts, practice animations as I just wanted to start somewhere new under the less less amount of time before I go to college this next Tuesday on the 20th of August. I just wanted to start my mini portfolios away from TikTok Twitter and Instagram as I just have that itch do something more but all I can do right now is do my sketchbook right in front of me.


I feel like I have been obsessed with it as I just wanted to start the day but it feels so overwhelmed when it doesn't meet to my expectations. This random incursion feels more like a test A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT FROM THE 2010's


I just feel so stupid for breaking down as I just wanted to make it my weekend and no one else. I just wanted to be caught up onto things and relax but it feels like its impossible to achieve it. It's like trying to have financial and social stability at the time like this before the sun blows up or when world leaders starts pulling knives out.


I don't know what else I should do right now. I can't think of anything as I feel this tension coming later on.

I don't want to talk to a single AI as I have been at this with myself for a long time.


Wanted to create a community for artist but it feels complicated to do so. Same applies when it comes to taking social media and series project more seriously. By then, it would be late at night before the new year starts. Taking shit seriously and getting punished for it. I'm literally questioning whether I should continue community college to an another college or not as this AI and new regulations needs to fucking stop. Can't control anything and that is eating me up inside every time I think of it.


I don't feel like I got a lot of time here.

It feels like a goddamn Truman Show ffs.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-17 21:39:20


At 8/17/24 09:15 PM, TheBKB wrote:I don't know if it's going to reach to anyone but I would want to say something that would put my mind at ease.

I feel so fucking hard on myself as I just wanted to get into things I want to do. I don't want to think about the times right now as I just wanted to do my series project, fan-arts, practice animations as I just wanted to start somewhere new under the less less amount of time before I go to college this next Tuesday on the 20th of August. I just wanted to start my mini portfolios away from TikTok Twitter and Instagram as I just have that itch do something more but all I can do right now is do my sketchbook right in front of me.

I feel like I have been obsessed with it as I just wanted to start the day but it feels so overwhelmed when it doesn't meet to my expectations. This random incursion feels more like a test A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT FROM THE 2010's

I just feel so stupid for breaking down as I just wanted to make it my weekend and no one else. I just wanted to be caught up onto things and relax but it feels like its impossible to achieve it. It's like trying to have financial and social stability at the time like this before the sun blows up or when world leaders starts pulling knives out.

I don't know what else I should do right now. I can't think of anything as I feel this tension coming later on.
I don't want to talk to a single AI as I have been at this with myself for a long time.

Wanted to create a community for artist but it feels complicated to do so. Same applies when it comes to taking social media and series project more seriously. By then, it would be late at night before the new year starts. Taking shit seriously and getting punished for it. I'm literally questioning whether I should continue community college to an another college or not as this AI and new regulations needs to fucking stop. Can't control anything and that is eating me up inside every time I think of it.

I don't feel like I got a lot of time here.
It feels like a goddamn Truman Show ffs.


TLDR: I need help to get out from this toxic relationship


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At 8/5/24 12:50 AM, switzrr wrote:Any of you sick of me on this thread yet? Well, too bad. I was going to make a separate thread, since I swear that this isn't more pathetic whining like I usually do, but I figured this has become the go-to thread for anyone needing help with questions related to the enjoyment of drawing and not exclusively a support group for discouraged artists I figured it might as well go here. So here goes.

While I don't find the act of drawing to be "suffering" or anything per se, I wouldn't say I enjoy it enough that I can make time for it and draw instead of doing things I perceive as more important, like playing video games or browsing social media. I used to genuinely look forward to drawing every day shortly after I made the switch to digital art and got a tablet, but that was before the novelty wore off. As one would expect, this is a major obstacle on the road to improvement.

I remember making a post on r/ArtistLounge a while ago asking how to force myself to sit down and draw, and a few of the responses were along the lines of "If you don't enjoy drawing even enough to draw for at least a few minutes every day, then perhaps drawing isn't for you.". In fact, I often see comments on that sub advising posters that they must enjoy every step of the process, and if not then they should find another hobby. So here's my question:

These are the different perspectives I have heard online regarding how much of the process is supposed to be enjoyable.

Which of these perspectives is true? Could more than one possibly be true at the same time?


I find 2 and 3 are closest to reality; 1 is just unsustainable, and most people pushing it don't walk the walk.


My go-to analogy is the gym. I kinda hate going to the gym; I do it 3 times per week, and I rarely ever look forward to it. It's not so bad when I've already dragged myself there, and I like knowing that I did it after the fact, but ultimately the thing that keeps me going back is that I need to do it. When your eyes are on a bigger prize than short-term enjoyment, you don't need to gaslight/hypnotize yourself into loving every minute of the process, you just need to commit some time to it and show up when you say you will. Art is a gargantuan marathon, not a sprint, and the way you find enjoyment from inching forward is gonna be different from person to person.


The only thing that's guaranteed to not work is neglecting that time commitment and stressing out about how you're not doing it, in a way that never translates into action. Don't connect your sense of self worth to something you're not gonna do.

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My boyfriend/creative partner died last year. Making the game I am working on has been rough without him. He liked my pictures and videos, but hated my games. He was supportive though. I got a kick out of his criticism. He would listen to me obsess about details, and come up with jokes for me. I was afraid to tell him about my website when we met, because I really liked him, and most people would respond with an eye roll. He didn't. He was my heart. And making this game without him sucks.


Recently my self confidence has been bouncing alot around the room due to what kind of art and interactions i see on social media (via twitter). Sometimes I get ideas to make said character/project, sometimes i get inspiration/motivation to draw because of someone else but then theres those times where i look at my art and ask myself what am i doing wrong.


Dont get it twisted though, i enjoy drawing and i appreciate what i do. Its just sometimes i wonder if its even worth sharing if people will barely see it and i shoulda just kept it to myself y'know? I tend to feel left out on twitter and discord because of the lack of interaction i get, just likes or thumbs up emojis, never like a small talk on something, im probably just being picky about this


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Hello This is Denzion and i am a solo artist like i am working in my own like i also sometimes do fan art just like the other artists and also created my own Webcomic that i was working on was THE DARK SHEEP KNIGHT is a series about a Black Sheep named Karell who is an introvert but one day he gets to have a friend because he fell in love and also soon gets newer friends than just one but he also have the will to protect the woolington town from evil. so it's a Dark fantasy cartoon with an anime vibe that i was recently working on so it's only 9 episodes on my webtoon page anyway. i always loved to be inspired to do an anime and cartoon art styles to my recent works. The DARK SHEEP KNIGHT just came out last April so i am just getting started to release more episodes. i am also here to seek support because i am starting to become lonely again in handling my own to reach out to other people who are also interested in anime, cartoons, or comics. i used to love reading comics and i am inspired by it but i am still reaching out to be a part of being a professional cartoonist in that kind of generation. click here to see THE DARK SHEEP KNIGHT SERIES

I would also one day want to get a producer when it comes to trying to publish the comics i made but still have to reach out like work harder to reach that goal. i couldn't even do a commission because i am actually in the philippines. I enjoyed

watching and reading all day from the internet so yeah because watching cartoons and anime made me happy and removes my depression or being sad all the time so i am being opened right now in this community for Discouraged artists. Still pushing through anyway and just waiting to get any response to have an audience or support. i even want to reach out to talk to the comic book creators or artists too like maybe in a convention or somewhere place else.

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Sounds terrible for a girl like you. well feel sorry for getting that moment.


Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-18 11:10:18


At 8/18/24 07:43 AM, StevSteelEn wrote:Recently my self confidence has been bouncing alot around the room due to what kind of art and interactions i see on social media (via twitter). Sometimes I get ideas to make said character/project, sometimes i get inspiration/motivation to draw because of someone else but then theres those times where i look at my art and ask myself what am i doing wrong.

Dont get it twisted though, i enjoy drawing and i appreciate what i do. Its just sometimes i wonder if its even worth sharing if people will barely see it and i shoulda just kept it to myself y'know? I tend to feel left out on twitter and discord because of the lack of interaction i get, just likes or thumbs up emojis, never like a small talk on something, im probably just being picky about this


Just came by to remember something about life: putting maximum effort doesn't mean deserving success. Sucks to hear, but two persons who make practically the same effort can achieve "success" in different moments of their lives, so no, you don't have to keep it to yourself just because almost no one sees your work, it's just a matter of time and consistency.


Also, if you want to get interaction with people aside from just reactions and likes and such, you can try starting conversations with others. Maybe others are also in a similar mood like you


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-18 11:13:04


At 8/18/24 03:22 AM, ZebraHumor wrote:My boyfriend/creative partner died last year. Making the game I am working on has been rough without him. He liked my pictures and videos, but hated my games. He was supportive though. I got a kick out of his criticism. He would listen to me obsess about details, and come up with jokes for me. I was afraid to tell him about my website when we met, because I really liked him, and most people would respond with an eye roll. He didn't. He was my heart. And making this game without him sucks.


Sucks to hear. I give you all my support, and hope you can get over your grief.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-18 11:28:38


At 8/18/24 11:10 AM, EmsDeLaRoZ wrote:
At 8/18/24 07:43 AM, StevSteelEn wrote:Recently my self confidence has been bouncing alot around the room due to what kind of art and interactions i see on social media (via twitter). Sometimes I get ideas to make said character/project, sometimes i get inspiration/motivation to draw because of someone else but then theres those times where i look at my art and ask myself what am i doing wrong.

Dont get it twisted though, i enjoy drawing and i appreciate what i do. Its just sometimes i wonder if its even worth sharing if people will barely see it and i shoulda just kept it to myself y'know? I tend to feel left out on twitter and discord because of the lack of interaction i get, just likes or thumbs up emojis, never like a small talk on something, im probably just being picky about this

Just came by to remember something about life: putting maximum effort doesn't mean deserving success. Sucks to hear, but two persons who make practically the same effort can achieve "success" in different moments of their lives, so no, you don't have to keep it to yourself just because almost no one sees your work, it's just a matter of time and consistency.

Also, if you want to get interaction with people aside from just reactions and likes and such, you can try starting conversations with others. Maybe others are also in a similar mood like you


That's the part im struggling on. I talk, I try to speak and no one responds. Even if they do respond i get no indication they want to start a convo. So im just sitting there trying to wonder what im doing wrong. Its only when i join in ongoing convos i can naturally talk but i cannot be the holder of the convo nor the starter, thats not my thing and i hesitate to say something in fear of saying the wrong thing, so i stay quiet


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-18 11:36:47


At 8/18/24 11:28 AM, StevSteelEn wrote:
At 8/18/24 11:10 AM, EmsDeLaRoZ wrote:
At 8/18/24 07:43 AM, StevSteelEn wrote:Recently my self confidence has been bouncing alot around the room due to what kind of art and interactions i see on social media (via twitter). Sometimes I get ideas to make said character/project, sometimes i get inspiration/motivation to draw because of someone else but then theres those times where i look at my art and ask myself what am i doing wrong.

Dont get it twisted though, i enjoy drawing and i appreciate what i do. Its just sometimes i wonder if its even worth sharing if people will barely see it and i shoulda just kept it to myself y'know? I tend to feel left out on twitter and discord because of the lack of interaction i get, just likes or thumbs up emojis, never like a small talk on something, im probably just being picky about this

Just came by to remember something about life: putting maximum effort doesn't mean deserving success. Sucks to hear, but two persons who make practically the same effort can achieve "success" in different moments of their lives, so no, you don't have to keep it to yourself just because almost no one sees your work, it's just a matter of time and consistency.

Also, if you want to get interaction with people aside from just reactions and likes and such, you can try starting conversations with others. Maybe others are also in a similar mood like you

That's the part im struggling on. I talk, I try to speak and no one responds. Even if they do respond i get no indication they want to start a convo. So im just sitting there trying to wonder what im doing wrong. Its only when i join in ongoing convos i can naturally talk but i cannot be the holder of the convo nor the starter, thats not my thing and i hesitate to say something in fear of saying the wrong thing, so i stay quiet


Well, I dont know the dinamic in Twitter, so I can't speak for the ppl over there. With Discord however, it's kinda regular that the servers stay unactive (but not dead) in most cases, unless the members of such server are actively trying to keep it active. If you want an advice, i'd recommend you to talk without fear, even if that involves saying something "wrong" in any moment.


Even if you say something bad, if ppl are respectful, they'll let you know so you can rectify your words or back anything you said. The fear of saying something wrong in the wrong place usually has to do with someone who has not interacted enough to be entirely sure of what is "good" or what is "bad". I don't want to criticize you either, that's mostly what I can recommend you


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-08-18 11:53:23


At 8/18/24 11:36 AM, EmsDeLaRoZ wrote:
At 8/18/24 11:28 AM, StevSteelEn wrote:
At 8/18/24 11:10 AM, EmsDeLaRoZ wrote:
At 8/18/24 07:43 AM, StevSteelEn wrote:Recently my self confidence has been bouncing alot around the room due to what kind of art and interactions i see on social media (via twitter). Sometimes I get ideas to make said character/project, sometimes i get inspiration/motivation to draw because of someone else but then theres those times where i look at my art and ask myself what am i doing wrong.

Dont get it twisted though, i enjoy drawing and i appreciate what i do. Its just sometimes i wonder if its even worth sharing if people will barely see it and i shoulda just kept it to myself y'know? I tend to feel left out on twitter and discord because of the lack of interaction i get, just likes or thumbs up emojis, never like a small talk on something, im probably just being picky about this

Just came by to remember something about life: putting maximum effort doesn't mean deserving success. Sucks to hear, but two persons who make practically the same effort can achieve "success" in different moments of their lives, so no, you don't have to keep it to yourself just because almost no one sees your work, it's just a matter of time and consistency.

Also, if you want to get interaction with people aside from just reactions and likes and such, you can try starting conversations with others. Maybe others are also in a similar mood like you

That's the part im struggling on. I talk, I try to speak and no one responds. Even if they do respond i get no indication they want to start a convo. So im just sitting there trying to wonder what im doing wrong. Its only when i join in ongoing convos i can naturally talk but i cannot be the holder of the convo nor the starter, thats not my thing and i hesitate to say something in fear of saying the wrong thing, so i stay quiet

Well, I dont know the dinamic in Twitter, so I can't speak for the ppl over there. With Discord however, it's kinda regular that the servers stay unactive (but not dead) in most cases, unless the members of such server are actively trying to keep it active. If you want an advice, i'd recommend you to talk without fear, even if that involves saying something "wrong" in any moment.

Even if you say something bad, if ppl are respectful, they'll let you know so you can rectify your words or back anything you said. The fear of saying something wrong in the wrong place usually has to do with someone who has not interacted enough to be entirely sure of what is "good" or what is "bad". I don't want to criticize you either, that's mostly what I can recommend you


I see, i'll give it a go without holding myself back and see how it goes.


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Response to Discouraged Artists’ Support Group 2024-12-05 00:59:09


At 9/6/23 08:32 AM, Thetageist wrote:Hello!

I was seeing a lot of threads in this forum related to losing motivation, impostor syndrome, and feeling like you’re not enough as an artist. Considering that a lot of the original posters struggled with the same emotions, I wanted to create one place where all the artists who are struggling can talk to each other and see that they’re not alone in their problems, and the others who have come out the other side of those problems can offer advice to every artist, rather than repeating themselves across different threads.

So please, feel free to vent or to share your experiences and advice. You never know who’s going to need it.


I don't remember if I did post something here but honestly good time to get something off my chest.


So I'm well known in this community, or at least I assume I am. This is the biggest platform I have for myself to date and I appreciate all the friends I made and all the fans who continue to support me though my time here. And yet I never feel "good enough."


Using a friend as an example, not saying who because that is not important to this story. I'll just say they are quite notable on Newgrounds (so literally anyone lmao) because they partake in a lot of the newground culture, they made more connections then me. They have a better establish name then me and it's good for them but it makes me think "I need to do that"


So here I am, posting in forms, interacting in NG related servers, joining any convo, posting "frontpage worthy" art so I can to establish myself as "MayaLaCookie the very epic newgounder" so that maybe one day that- my ocs can be remembered and apart of the many known ocs here on the site. Be apart of the "cool newgrounders" club and make these connections.

Hell I even always wanted to do a wall banner for the frontpage.


But yet, I force myself to do half of those things. I'm not as social online as I am in person, which is funny cuz I'm pretty anti social. Just because I don't talk to the most well known newgrouners 24/7 doesn't make me less of a newgrounder. Plus if I was just aiming high then I would be called an attention seeker. All my life I have been forcing myself to get what my friends have and once I have it I'm just "cool." And go on with my day


So this may not be a artist struggle but I know many people here so struggle with forcing themselves to confirm to a normal here. First off if you are forcing yourself to make art everyday in the hopes of frontpage, then you are more likely to burn yourself out. I sure did.


Second off if you are forcing yourself to gain that newgrounds notary from the big names here then you aren't looking at newgrounds in the big picture. Just like other sites, there will always be people who are 100 or 1k followers ahead of you. It can even be your closest friends. Letting their victories hurt your ego or pride risk losing them in the long run. I know and I been trying to be better, I know most of this feeling comes from depression and lack of self confidence.

Newgrounds motto is Everything by Everyone. So what you like a video game character that is not as notable, make fan art of them! So what if you aren't the best of the best, we all still have a chance to improve!


I just wanted to share this long vent because I realized that the reason why I disappeared so much on Newgrounds is because I burn myself out from trying to people please with no reward. I have to be kinder to myself and realized that I'm a newgrounder and that I have established that already. I just might have periods where IRL I need to focus on myself and my life that I just don't post anywhere.


Sorry for this long text, to whoever reads this. Don't force yourself.


Also also I might sound like a broken record but my self doubt comes in waves and it just been easier to bare with it.


Fuck

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