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the Ukraine situation

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-02 20:35:20


At 3/2/22 07:49 PM, DioShiba wrote:
At 3/2/22 07:27 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:Russian Economy possible to meltdown soon, with the rouble falling in devaluation and inflation and sanctions with international companies moving out of Russia international Credit Bureaus are looking to downgrade Russia and start removing BILLIONS of Russian debt out of investment-grade bond indexes.

this is going to make Russia go from a Second World country to a Third World economically like North Korea.

It’s making less and less sense to why Putin is gambling his country’s status to that level the more this conflict unfolds.


Bullying a neighboring country has been a hallmark of Russia for centuries with various levels of success. The difference is that unlike the Soviet Era where they had much of Eastern Europe at their whim, those countries now have a disdain for Russia, Belarus aside. If it weren’t for the fact that Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal, the rest of the world would have ganged up on them. Unlike with Napoleon and Hitler, General Winter isn’t going to save Russia in that scenario, merely delay the inevitable.


What is the payoff if he succeeds in this anyways? Just more territory and more of a reason for the world to tell Putin to go fuck himself? It’s like he knows his days are numbered and he wants to bring everyone down with him.


Because of those nuclear weapons, there really isn’t much we can do outside of what we’re doing now with sanctions and supplying weapons, although thats seems to be more than enough. Plus, while Putin is bloodthirsty, he isn’t that suicidal enough to use nukes, at least we hope so.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-02 23:14:46


You know it's bad when the two biggest US supporters of Putin start to distance themselves from him:


Trump angrily claims the media is lying about his repeated public praise of Putin


Tucker Carlson Openly Gaslights Viewers About Pro-Russia Stuff He Said Days Ago


Bonus crazy:


Pat Robertson Resurfaces To Offer Worst Possible Take On Ukraine


This time, he returned to his “700 Club” show to claim that Russian President Vladimir Putin was being compelled by God to not only attack Ukraine, but use the country as a staging ground for a war against Israel to fulfill biblical prophecy:

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-02 23:32:46 (edited 2022-03-02 23:33:48)


At 3/2/22 08:35 PM, orangebomb wrote:Bullying a neighboring country has been a hallmark of Russia for centuries with various levels of success. The difference is that unlike the Soviet Era where they had much of Eastern Europe at their whim, those countries now have a disdain for Russia, Belarus aside. If it weren’t for the fact that Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal, the rest of the world would have ganged up on them. Unlike with Napoleon and Hitler, General Winter isn’t going to save Russia in that scenario, merely delay the inevitable.


Well that's the thing. This isn't a situation where Russia is being invaded, it's the opposite. Sure they have a good nuclear arsenal that, should someone fuck with Russia on that end they could use it on whoever tries to and make a ground zero that isn't anything like what we've seen since Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Only on a grander scale that will span a couple of good leagues.


EVEN THEN it would end up leading to a MAD scenario and the moment that happens then humanity itself would face huge repercussions if not extinction. Then we're all fucked one way or the other.


That aside it's also that same disdain said countries like Poland for example that, if pushed to a point where Russia tries to fuck with one of their other former territories who are involved in NATO assuming that Ukraine is successful and Putin gets overconfident, then that won't play out in anyone's favor for the same reason above.



Because of those nuclear weapons, there really isn’t much we can do outside of what we’re doing now with sanctions and supplying weapons, although that seems to be more than enough. Plus, while Putin is bloodthirsty, he isn’t that suicidal enough to use nukes, at least we hope so.


This is where I have my doubts. There's been a lot of speculation that Putin's Mental Health isn't all there like it used to. Russia isn't the only country with a nuclear arsenal and Putin knows that too. If that is true then chances are there's no clear predictability in a situation like this if things go south in the next three or so days.


As much as I would like to be an optimist and agree with you on this one, we're all in a crossfire of mental chess where one side is acting erratic this time around. That's where the realist in me doesn't want to say that it's safe to assume a desirable outcome, let alone do something as dangerous as hoping for it.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 00:40:02 (edited 2022-03-03 00:40:48)


At 2/11/22 04:34 PM, Gario wrote:russia's being a real dick, here

Yeah you're right putin is such a dickhead

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 03:04:04


At 3/2/22 07:49 PM, DioShiba wrote:
It’s making less and less sense to why Putin is gambling his country’s status to that level the more this conflict unfolds.

What is the payoff if he succeeds in this anyways? Just more territory and more of a reason for the world to tell Putin to go fuck himself?


There's that and also the whole country will be blasted all over. You know what that means? There will be a whole country to pay up for war reparations. In order to rebuild Ukraine, (since the cities look like demolition sites) his army will have to be sold together with all the nukes... Otherwise, if the Russian government doesn't pay up, NATO will have to make an open file for a debt collection company like GSC. With a debt already amounted to billions, something new might happen, considering collection companies have the right to sue: the biggest lawsuit by collections against a state unlike the likes of which the world has seen before. This has never happened, not even to Germany after WWII.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 09:02:56


Russia-China Trade Stifled by Yuan’s Surge Against Ruble


Ruble is crashing and it's screwing with Chinese trade

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 09:07:31


At 3/3/22 03:04 AM, Redmage4 wrote:
There's that and also the whole country will be blasted all over. You know what that means? There will be a whole country to pay up for war reparations. In order to rebuild Ukraine, (since the cities look like demolition sites) his army will have to be sold together with all the nukes... Otherwise, if the Russian government doesn't pay up, NATO will have to make an open file for a debt collection company like GSC. With a debt already amounted to billions, something new might happen, considering collection companies have the right to sue: the biggest lawsuit by collections against a state unlike the likes of which the world has seen before. This has never happened, not even to Germany after WWII.


Not quite how it works bud if a country defaults to another country in payment any assets in the debtors country can be seized as payment for partial or full payment of that payment such as forex, debtee country has a foreign company there can have its stuff seized, government bank accounts bonds etc.


It's like bankruptcy at the national level working your way down almost.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 11:03:57


Thousands of Russians are fleeing after rumours swell that Putin could impose martial law as early as Friday


Totally not horrifying news from a completely stable and content country.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 14:26:32


Moody's Investors Service just downgraded Russias credit rating is cut to junk! Others may soon follow Fitch, also sharply lowered the country's credit rating given its economic situation and status which is going to hamper Russia GLOBALLY.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 16:00:02 (edited 2022-03-03 16:04:52)


LDOVA AND GEORGIA ARE REQUESTING TO JOIN THE EUROPEAN UNION! holy shit and after that its NATO membership!! and if Finland and Sweden join NATO like its projected to be Russia will be surrounded by EU/NATO Bloc!


CALLED IT @GARIO! why am I not in politics?! I have the guile to do foreign affairs!

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 16:23:24


At 3/3/22 04:16 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:Turkey also wishes to join the EU and has been waiting to do so and wants the EU to look at Turkeys application just like Ukraine's emergency application.


For years there has been one major "BUT" here: the Armenian genocide case. Denying it is even considered a crime for example in France.


Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй!

And release [the Leopards-done] ATACMS & F-16s!

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 16:43:36



Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй!

And release [the Leopards-done] ATACMS & F-16s!

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 17:28:08


At 3/3/22 04:23 PM, HerbieG wrote:For years there has been one major "BUT" here: the Armenian genocide case. Denying it is even considered a crime for example in France.


that and the whole Cyprus thing but they've been NATO allies longer than most EU countries by decades and the geopolitical advantage for supply chain is too hard not to give up.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 17:32:43


At 3/3/22 04:23 PM, HerbieG wrote:
At 3/3/22 04:16 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:Turkey also wishes to join the EU and has been waiting to do so and wants the EU to look at Turkeys application just like Ukraine's emergency application.

For years there has been one major "BUT" here: the Armenian genocide case. Denying it is even considered a crime for example in France.


Also, the Ottoman empire had occupied the Greeks pretty much 400 years. 201 years ago, them turkeys had been getting kicked out. Now, like Russia, recently the Turks have been wanting to take back the land lost.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 17:35:18


At 3/3/22 04:43 PM, HerbieG wrote:Looks like Asia/PRC is not going to die for Putin:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-led-asian-infrastructure-investment-bank-freezes-russia-lending-2022-03-03/


At 3/3/22 04:56 PM, EdyKel wrote:They fled in panic. Now homesick Ukrainians are heading back to fight Russia’s murderous war machine


At 3/3/22 05:26 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:Russian Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky killed by Ukrainians in ‘major demotivator’ for invading army

LEEEEEETS GOOO!


This is certainly good news today!

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 20:12:10


Bad news: fire at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar...


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 20:45:12


At 3/3/22 08:12 PM, HerbieG wrote:Bad news: fire at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar...


It's just an admin building plus there's safeguards in place for reactor safties.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-03 22:39:59


At 3/3/22 08:12 PM, HerbieG wrote:Bad news: fire at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar...

There's heavy fighting in there, looks like russian soldiers are going to take it by the looks of it


Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 02:50:46


At 3/3/22 08:12 PM, HerbieG wrote:Bad news: fire at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar...


The fire is extinguished, the plant is seized.


"Russia should be thrown back into the Stone Age to make sure that the oil and gas industry and any other sensitive industries that are vital for survival of the regime cannot function without Western technological support,"

I agree whole-heartedly.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 03:55:12


At 3/4/22 02:50 AM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/3/22 08:12 PM, HerbieG wrote:Bad news: fire at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar...

The fire is extinguished, the plant is seized.

"Russia should be thrown back into the Stone Age to make sure that the oil and gas industry and any other sensitive industries that are vital for survival of the regime cannot function without Western technological support,"
I agree whole-heartedly.


Might be a dangerous road to take. One of the causes of the rise of Nazi Germany and WW2 were the harsh reparations that Germany got over WW1. Making things difficult until Putin backs down or even steps down from power, willing or by force (internally) would be enough but to go even further then that could just create resentment in Russia. Leading to an even more dangerous leader to take over.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 05:08:08 (edited 2022-03-04 05:10:37)


At 3/4/22 03:55 AM, LordJaric wrote:Might be a dangerous road to take. One of the causes of the rise of Nazi Germany and WW2 were the harsh reparations that Germany got over WW1. Making things difficult until Putin backs down or even steps down from power, willing or by force (internally) would be enough but to go even further then that could just create resentment in Russia. Leading to an even more dangerous leader to take over.

I think I get what you’re saying, but in my view I feel like the current events are the end product of a decade of growing western resentment from Russia rather than another a rung on the ladder to something far worse.


I understand that the Russian Government may feel awkward about growing NATO influence, however I feel they have shit the bed with the response in Ukraine, the distorted justifications and their media war.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 05:14:48


Could someone better assessed with the situation than I give a reason as to why so much of Ukraine's military is seemingly absent in the major cities? I hear so much on the civilian effort, of which I have nothing but reverence for, but little on consolidated military campaigns. Is this just a result of overreporting? Or is the Ukranian military having internal issues? The latter would be understandable, given the total discombobulation of the Ukranian government right now.


I ask this question in good faith, I genuinely can't help but be confused.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 11:14:57 (edited 2022-03-04 11:24:16)


the Ruble is falling right now 1USD =122RUB with a Ask of 124, when this start the exchange was 1 to 75 we could be looking at by the next week or so 1 to 150 (which is a 100% devaluation) if Russia continues to keeps the stock market closed due to all the sheer volume of sell orders and credit investors list the stocks as JUNK, it could collapse the value of the Ruble and their stock market no liquidity, no value, virtually no reserves.


you might want to keep an eye on the development folks!

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 11:23:56


Something has to give in Russia. The sanctions, the crack down on protesters, refusing to let anyone call it a war or an invasion. Now the potential for martial law that will just make all of that worse for the Russian people. Something has got to snap at some point here.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 11:25:00 (edited 2022-03-04 11:25:26)


At 3/4/22 11:23 AM, LordJaric wrote:Something has to give in Russia. The sanctions, the crack down on protesters, refusing to let anyone call it a war or an invasion. Now the potential for martial law that will just make all of that worse for the Russian people. Something has got to snap at some point here.


doesn't help the economy is about to crash the people are screwed if this all hits at once.

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 13:30:05


Ukraine never had that much of a military presence to begin with, russia underestimated the western response over this, but the fact is that ukraine is being systematically disarmed

it's going to be a trip seeing the aftermath of the war and how much a economic impact the sanctions against russia has onto it and the rest of the world

Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 13:31:41 (edited 2022-03-04 13:34:46)


At 3/4/22 12:12 PM, ForumComment wrote:A nuclear central are destroy in Ukraine I think Russia want to atack the logistic of Ukraine...


a terrible idea for russia, considering a meltdown in ukraine would be considered an attack on all of europe, and thus get nato involved in the fight


if russia wants to attack the power supplied they should attack the substation infrastructure; it's easier to disrupt and probably won't trigger a nato response


At 3/4/22 05:08 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
I think I get what you’re saying, but in my view I feel like the current events are the end product of a decade of growing western resentment from Russia rather than another a rung on the ladder to something far worse.


yeah, ngl i actually can't imagine something worse than a leader who's trying to take over europe and threatening everyone else with nukes if they try to stop them


this *is* the worse case scenario


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