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DioShiba
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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 14:15:39

At 3/4/22 11:23 AM, LordJaric wrote:Something has to give in Russia. The sanctions, the crack down on protesters, refusing to let anyone call it a war or an invasion. Now the potential for martial law that will just make all of that worse for the Russian people. Something has got to snap at some point here.


Eventually this is probably going to end up leading to civil unrest and a revolt if anything


There's no other way given that they arrested around 7000 protestors by now and people are still risking their asses it's not like people aren't going to step up to the plate and get more aggressive. Eventually the Troops are gonna have to step in and the police will step down.


It's a long shot that it could happen during this crisis but at this point, I'm not sure if I can imagine this ending any other way.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 14:25:37

At 3/4/22 01:31 PM, Gario wrote:yeah, ngl i actually can't imagine something worse than a leader who's trying to take over europe and threatening everyone else with nukes if they try to stop them

this *is* the worse case scenario


its going to stay conventional, Sweden and Finland are being pressured to by their people to jon NATO and Moldova and Georgia just submitted applications for EU membership which usually means NATO membership shortly after, Ukraine has submitted emergency applications for EU and NATO, and the sanctions on Russia are working the Ruble as I post this is at .0080 to the dollar and the protectionist policies Putin has installed aren't working, just a bit more like cutting off naval trade routes so no import/export and cutting them off from the greater internet will end Russia especially with Ukraine fighting as hard as it is against 25% of Russia's overall military and the more time they waste on military the quicker the noose gets.


no worries this is a absolute lose for Putin, NATO didn't respond like he wanted them to and he completely lost his narrative and now his country is melting down economically and socially and as the Pariah of the world.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 14:34:18

At 3/4/22 05:14 AM, DoctorPac wrote:Or is the Ukranian military having internal issues?

I ask this question in good faith, I genuinely can't help but be confused.


Ukraine has been gutted by US/NATO involvement as early as 2014. Its military reflects that.


If you want a better understanding of the situation, watch this short documentary:


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 14:46:45

I bet the repercussions of this will haunt us a very long time, blood breeds blood.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 16:02:14

At 3/4/22 05:14 AM, DoctorPac wrote:Could someone better assessed with the situation than I give a reason as to why so much of Ukraine's military is seemingly absent in the major cities? I hear so much on the civilian effort, of which I have nothing but reverence for, but little on consolidated military campaigns. Is this just a result of overreporting? Or is the Ukranian military having internal issues? The latter would be understandable, given the total discombobulation of the Ukranian government right now.

I ask this question in good faith, I genuinely can't help but be confused.


What do you mean they are absent in major cities? They are actively battling Russian forces in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and other cities.


Pretty weird thing to say lol.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 16:49:17

At 3/4/22 04:02 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 3/4/22 05:14 AM, DoctorPac wrote:Could someone better assessed with the situation than I give a reason as to why so much of Ukraine's military is seemingly absent in the major cities? I hear so much on the civilian effort, of which I have nothing but reverence for, but little on consolidated military campaigns. Is this just a result of overreporting? Or is the Ukranian military having internal issues? The latter would be understandable, given the total discombobulation of the Ukranian government right now.

I ask this question in good faith, I genuinely can't help but be confused.

What do you mean they are absent in major cities? They are actively battling Russian forces in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and other cities.

Pretty weird thing to say lol.


Key word is seemingly. Most news coverage I've seen, including the channel I watched shortly before posting this last night, have focused squarely on civilians in these cities while barely mentioning the Ukranian military. I was just confused by the lack of coverage and was wondering if that was the result of bad reporting or if the military had problems fighting the Russians in the cities, for whatever reason.


Appreciate the response regardless.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 17:11:47

At 3/4/22 04:49 PM, DoctorPac wrote:
At 3/4/22 04:02 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 3/4/22 05:14 AM, DoctorPac wrote:Could someone better assessed with the situation than I give a reason as to why so much of Ukraine's military is seemingly absent in the major cities? I hear so much on the civilian effort, of which I have nothing but reverence for, but little on consolidated military campaigns. Is this just a result of overreporting? Or is the Ukranian military having internal issues? The latter would be understandable, given the total discombobulation of the Ukranian government right now.

I ask this question in good faith, I genuinely can't help but be confused.

What do you mean they are absent in major cities? They are actively battling Russian forces in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and other cities.

Pretty weird thing to say lol.

Key word is seemingly. Most news coverage I've seen, including the channel I watched shortly before posting this last night, have focused squarely on civilians in these cities while barely mentioning the Ukranian military. I was just confused by the lack of coverage and was wondering if that was the result of bad reporting or if the military had problems fighting the Russians in the cities, for whatever reason.

Appreciate the response regardless.

I’m not going to give you shit because I was interested in knowing where most of the fighting was. From what I’ve seen Kharkiv has been shelled rather than had troops on the ground.


I did want to say as a comment about “bad reporting”: bear in mind it’s a warzone so civilians and reporters are putting their lives at risk by being there.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 17:13:23 (edited 2022-03-04 17:14:09)

At 3/4/22 01:31 PM, Gario wrote:
At 3/4/22 12:12 PM, ForumComment wrote:A nuclear central are destroy in Ukraine I think Russia want to atack the logistic of Ukraine...

a terrible idea for russia, considering a meltdown in ukraine would be considered an attack on all of europe, and thus get nato involved in the fight

if russia wants to attack the power supplied they should attack the substation infrastructure; it's easier to disrupt and probably won't trigger a nato response


Just so we're clear, this didn't happen. Don't mean to nitpick but nuclear related stuff is kind of a big deal.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 17:14:40

At 3/4/22 05:11 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:I did want to say as a comment about “bad reporting”: bear in mind it’s a warzone so civilians and reporters are putting their lives at risk by being there.


That's fair. Would overreporting be the better term?

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 17:49:29

At 3/4/22 05:14 PM, DoctorPac wrote:
At 3/4/22 05:11 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:I did want to say as a comment about “bad reporting”: bear in mind it’s a warzone so civilians and reporters are putting their lives at risk by being there.

That's fair. Would overreporting be the better term?


Let me put it this way. If you really want to see videos of the soldiers, most of them dead, they exist. But do you really want to do that? You don't learn anything, it is deeply offensive to some for good reason, and is generally pointless to all involved.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 18:10:50

At 3/4/22 05:49 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:Let me put it this way. If you really want to see videos of the soldiers, most of them dead, they exist.


I've seen them before, unintentionally mind you. Citizens too unfortunately.


I won't lie and say everyone should see them, because that footage has been seared into my brain since I unexpectedly saw it on the Ukraine subreddit. With everything going on right now, I don't think people need to have images of dead Russians/Ukranians to be on their minds too. But I also won't say that it should be actively avoided either, assuming you're interested enough to seek information.


It's a motivator in why I want to learn more about what's going on. I don't feel comfortable seeing something like that and simply pushing the entire affair to the back of my mind.


But do you really want to do that? You don't learn anything,


I would certainly learn something if I knew more about what the Ukranian military was doing to defend these areas. It would provide better insight into their strategies and why the Russians have been struggling to fight them as easily as they expected.


it is deeply offensive to some for good reason, and is generally pointless to all involved.


Won't argue that it's potentially offensive, but you can't expect most to hear about the horrors of war without responding with some kind of strong feeling.


Providing accurate information about the conflict is not pointless to me, especially if that information found its way to the Russian people, which have been told false information by their government.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 18:17:00

At 3/4/22 05:13 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 3/4/22 01:31 PM, Gario wrote:
At 3/4/22 12:12 PM, ForumComment wrote:A nuclear central are destroy in Ukraine I think Russia want to atack the logistic of Ukraine...

a terrible idea for russia, considering a meltdown in ukraine would be considered an attack on all of europe, and thus get nato involved in the fight

if russia wants to attack the power supplied they should attack the substation infrastructure; it's easier to disrupt and probably won't trigger a nato response

Just so we're clear, this didn't happen. Don't mean to nitpick but nuclear related stuff is kind of a big deal.


to be clear, a meltdown did not happen


what happened was that a nuclear plant was shelled, with a building in the facility (administrative) caught fire


the fact that there was relatively indiscriminate shelling of a nuclear power plant is still a big deal and incredibly stupid for russians to even consider, though without an actual meltdown NATO can still avoid involvement

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 19:58:55

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 21:22:14

At 3/4/22 02:34 PM, Tyler wrote:Ukraine has been gutted by US/NATO involvement as early as 2014. Its military reflects that.

If you want a better understanding of the situation, watch this short documentary:


Horseshit Ukraine has been getting supplies and military training by US and NATO forces since the illegal occupation of Crimea.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 21:25:57

At 3/4/22 07:58 PM, EdyKel wrote:Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term


lol and the irony is now Finland and Sweden are poised to join NATO, Georgia, Moldova and Turkey wanting to join the EU and usually after that its NATO membership, its done the complete fucking polar opposite of what he wanted.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 22:00:59

At 3/4/22 11:14 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:the Ruble is falling right now 1USD =122RUB with a Ask of 124, when this start the exchange was 1 to 75 we could be looking at by the next week or so 1 to 150 (which is a 100% devaluation) if Russia continues to keeps the stock market closed due to all the sheer volume of sell orders and credit investors list the stocks as JUNK, it could collapse the value of the Ruble and their stock market no liquidity, no value, virtually no reserves.

you might want to keep an eye on the development folks!


Not to mention Russia has raised its interest rate from 9.55 to 20%. Totally normal thing for a stable country to do.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-04 22:21:18

At 3/4/22 10:00 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:
Not to mention Russia has raised its interest rate from 9.55 to 20%. Totally normal thing for a stable country to do.


its not working the Ruble ended this week at 120 to 1 its possibly going to 150 once that stock market opens back up due to the mass sell orders.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 05:44:05

Poor Russian billionaire Oligarch was locked out and ignored from his own investment firm.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 09:14:42

At 2/11/22 03:57 PM, mile667 wrote:it seems to me like Russia and United States are like the kids in the class that never liked one another and then vage proxy wars and Ukraine is one of thenm it got caught on fire and it hurts,all can say whern2 bears wrestle
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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 11:54:06 (edited 2022-03-05 11:55:57)

At 3/5/22 05:44 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:Poor Russian billionaire Oligarch was locked out and ignored from his own investment firm.


From the linked article:

Fridman, who has a net worth of $10 billion according to Bloomberg, was one of the first Russian business leaders to speak out against the invasion of Ukraine.


In a letter to LetterOne employees, Fridman said that "war can never be the answer," and that "this crisis will cost lives and damage two nations who have been brothers for hundreds of years."


He probably said some shit behind closed doors and figured he could weasel his way back into the firm afterward. That's speculation though.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 12:09:45 (edited 2022-03-05 12:12:53)

At 3/4/22 04:49 PM, DoctorPac wrote:
At 3/4/22 04:02 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 3/4/22 05:14 AM, DoctorPac wrote:Could someone better assessed with the situation than I give a reason as to why so much of Ukraine's military is seemingly absent in the major cities? I hear so much on the civilian effort, of which I have nothing but reverence for, but little on consolidated military campaigns. Is this just a result of overreporting? Or is the Ukranian military having internal issues? The latter would be understandable, given the total discombobulation of the Ukranian government right now.

I ask this question in good faith, I genuinely can't help but be confused.

What do you mean they are absent in major cities? They are actively battling Russian forces in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and other cities.

Pretty weird thing to say lol.

Key word is seemingly. Most news coverage I've seen, including the channel I watched shortly before posting this last night, have focused squarely on civilians in these cities while barely mentioning the Ukranian military. I was just confused by the lack of coverage and was wondering if that was the result of bad reporting or if the military had problems fighting the Russians in the cities, for whatever reason.

Appreciate the response regardless.


It wouldn't make much sense for the Ukrainian military to put out videos of their troop movements, but it does make sense that the videos we see are coming from Ukrainian citizens that are filming what is going on where they live and uploading it to the internet.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 18:58:47

And people like this were elected to the US govermnet:


Texas Congressman: Covid Vaccines, Not Ukraine Invasion, Are the Real ‘Crimes Against Humanity


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 19:43:55

The hell has frozen and a brilliant move from Biden's administration!

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 20:02:15

And... a massive blow:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/visa-mastercard-suspend-operations-russia-ukraine-invasion-1.6374504

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-05 21:41:17

One of my favorite YouTubers put out an incredibly well-researched and put-together video on this subject. Seemed worth sharing here.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-06 16:18:28

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-06 17:04:11 (edited 2022-03-06 17:10:44)

The long-term economic consequences of these massive sanctions are going to hurt in the short and medium term but spell promise in the long term. The creation of a parallel financial system is obviously bad (these sort of sanctions won't easily work again if they are even working now), but we finally have the proper incentives to begin to rehabilitate our domestic manufacturing and energy creation. Of course it took a threat to the empire and not the well being of us as citizens to create this, but that's just how our system works.


The speech restrictions in Russia suggest the infowar isn't going their way. However, and this is important, on a long enough timeline, having your own closed-in media ecosystem will render you largely immune from the media and consensus opinions of outsiders. See China.


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Also a few people have mentioned they get their news from this guy. My question, why? This is peak delusion.


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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-06 17:12:46

At 3/6/22 05:04 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
Also a few people have mentioned they get their news from this guy. My question, why? This is peak delusion.


that is the tweet that just keeps giving, with how people freak out about it


a truly legendary tweet, to have it leak all the way here


he's trolling you, made the post specifically to watch people who take him in poor faith freak out, which anyone with have a brain could've spotted with the phrase "stateless united states"

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-06 17:14:01

At 3/5/22 09:41 PM, ZJ wrote:One of my favorite YouTubers put out an incredibly well-researched and put-together video on this subject. Seemed worth sharing here.


He's not wrong about a lot of his information and he puts up a very solid argument that, Putin will in fact end up losing when he already lost the ideology battle.


I cetainly agree with his loss in the ideology battle from how things have started and progressed so far.


The problem is that I don't think there is going to be a very predictable outcome in the next coming days. He said it himself that this is a developing conflict and the speculation of Putin being mentally ill doesn't make this predicament any more certain than it is now. We don't know if Putin is going to lose his shit and do something drastic and we don't know if he'll get assassinated in the process of a revolt should that come to pass. There are too many variables right now.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-06 17:38:39

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