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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2024-12-31 12:19:56


Currently I am having issues uploading songs I've distributed through distrokid, all of the appeals I have made have been accepted however I'd like not to have to make so many appeals because I have over a hundred songs across several albums and compilations that I would like to bring over onto newgrounds. I'm still relatively new to this platform so if there is a sort of whitelist where I can upload songs I've distributed before without having to submit an appeal I would appreciate being added to it.


Here is an appeal I've made previously: https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/copyright/appeal/edit/127188


If necessary I can also provide evidence that I am the artist and that I am the one distributing the songs.

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2024-12-31 15:35:49 (edited 2024-12-31 15:43:43)


I just wanna ask a couple things, I am not submitting for an appeal, I have not submitted anything here in the first place due to basically every composition I have made violates the TOS, lol.


I understand that what I am making right now is seen as different and against this site's TOS, and I am not here to argue that (its plunderphonics for a reason), but I feel as though that is funny because I think my old SNES music isn't against the rules here, for me to post, but that too uses samples, they aren't really royalty-free, they are owned by companies like Roland etc. who do not allow you (in their legal guidelines) to sample their hardware (like Roland SC-55s) for use in SNES music, it has to be from the exact hardware and you must own it legally (or own a VST emu of it that is officially licensed by Roland, Korg, etc.) and I don't own either, and even then, legally-speaking I wouldn't be able to use those sounds in a sampler anyway, they have to come directly from the rompler or VST or else you are breaking their terms of use.


I would love to post my old tracks here, but I understand that those too are in a legal gray area due to the use of SNES samples, which were also ripped illicitly by the companies that made the games such as Square, who also violated Roland's TOS back in the day (which doesn't apply fully to NG's TOS, so I am not using this as an argument, I am saying this as an example that it seems that, if you look deep enough into it, every SNES soundtrack could be considered plunderphonics)


So, knowing that, should every track here that uses Mario Paint samples be removed? I think I recall hearing a couple tracks that use samples from that game which is technically not, like, supposed to be legal to do.


Some more reading: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/super-high-fidelity-mario-the-quest-to-find-original-gaming-audio-samples/

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-01 07:35:01


At 12/31/24 03:35 PM, DonnyGrounds wrote:my old SNES music isn't against the rules here, for me to post, but that too uses samples, they aren't really royalty-free, they are owned by companies like Roland etc. who do not allow you (in their legal guidelines) to sample their hardware (like Roland SC-55s) for use in SNES music, it has to be from the exact hardware and you must own it legally (or own a VST emu of it that is officially licensed by Roland, Korg, etc.) and I don't own either, and even then, legally-speaking I wouldn't be able to use those sounds in a sampler anyway, they have to come directly from the rompler or VST or else you are breaking their terms of use.

I would love to post my old tracks here, but I understand that those too are in a legal gray area due to the use of SNES samples, which were also ripped illicitly by the companies that made the games such as Square, who also violated Roland's TOS back in the day (which doesn't apply fully to NG's TOS, so I am not using this as an argument, I am saying this as an example that it seems that, if you look deep enough into it, every SNES soundtrack could be considered plunderphonics)


Just saying, I think Roland are kinda dicks for thinking they can own a waveform spanning less than a tenth of a second. Few if any people are going to care if you use a SNES soundfont, VST, sample, etc., unless they are purists. And rather than flag you for it being illegal, they're just going to whinge. Don't worry about that. Hardly anyone can tell the difference anyway.


So, knowing that, should every track here that uses Mario Paint samples be removed? I think I recall hearing a couple tracks that use samples from that game which is technically not, like, supposed to be legal to do.

Some more reading: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/super-high-fidelity-mario-the-quest-to-find-original-gaming-audio-samples/


Not only would it take a million years to sort through all the songs which did have these samples, but I just find it unnecessary. The primary reason we remove things is song theft, legal danger (copyright), and well, now AI music. If the music is original and uses a Mario Paint sample, unless it's of the actual Mario Paint OST, who is really going to know?


VGM (chip and soundfont) is sort of a grey area is what I'm getting at. We would have to remove entire swathes of the genre if we were to start investigating who is really using a chip and I think it goes against our ethics tbh to try.


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-06 15:32:20


Hi, i was banned from uploading music a long time ago because i uploaded someone's recording of a classical music piece. I'm sorry, i was very young and very dumb, I regret my actions, it won't happen again, could you please unban me? I promise, i will upload my own music and my own music only, thank you so much in advance. โค๏ธ๐Ÿ™

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 17:31:21 (edited 2025-01-19 17:36:55)


I created a track with Groovepad, I get copyright struck, I send an appeal, The appeal closes. I looked at the Newgrounds terms of service and it says royalty free stock loops are allowed if you give credit. I did give credit. All of my music is created with Groovepad which means that this will happen every time I submit a track. I can't do anything about that. It is an original song, it just uses some of the same LEGAL samples as other tracks. All that I'm asking for is for the appeal to be re-opened and accepted. Thanks!

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 18:52:47


At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad


Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.


"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.


There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.


Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."



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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 20:00:28


At 1/19/25 06:52 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad

Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.

"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.

There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.

Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."


I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright. I'm not going to argue with you because I did break the guidelines. Thanks for at least responding!

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 20:46:10


At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:
At 1/19/25 06:52 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad

Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.

"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.

There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.

Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."

I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright. I'm not going to argue with you because I did break the guidelines. Thanks for at least responding!


EDIT: After some "highly complex research" (a Google search), I have found that tracks that are created with Groovepad are actually allowed to be submitted to Newgrounds! Even in the official guidelines, it never directly states that you cannot submit tracks with stock loops (most of the guidelines for stock loops are talking about copyrighted stock loops. Groovepad is royalty free), it's just discouraged. In the guidelines for Groovepad sharing, all that it really says is that you have to give credit to the creators (which I did do). Using all of this information, I have gathered that I didn't really do anything to justify a ban. So again, I please ask of you to accept my appeal, and allow me to continue submitting tracks.

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 20:53:20 (edited 2025-01-19 20:58:12)


At 1/19/25 08:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:
At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:
At 1/19/25 06:52 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad

Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.

"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.

There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.

Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."

I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright. I'm not going to argue with you because I did break the guidelines. Thanks for at least responding!

EDIT: After some "highly complex research" (a Google search), I have found that tracks that are created with Groovepad are actually allowed to be submitted to Newgrounds! Even in the official guidelines, it never directly states that you cannot submit tracks with stock loops (most of the guidelines for stock loops are talking about copyrighted stock loops. Groovepad is royalty free), it's just discouraged. In the guidelines for Groovepad sharing, all that it really says is that you have to give credit to the creators (which I did do). Using all of this information, I have gathered that I didn't really do anything to justify a ban. So again, I please ask of you to accept my appeal, and allow me to continue submitting tracks.


EDIT (again): It might sound like I'm just trying to find loopholes, but the reason I'm doing this is because I really don't think I did anything wrong. I'm doing this because I don't think it is fair. I'm not forcing you to listen to what I have to say. I just want you to know my perspective in the matter. Music is something that I'm passionate about and I don't want my experience to be ruined, solely because of the app that I use to create it.

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 21:13:30


At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright.


Which is why I'm taking the stock loops approach. Groovepad is entirely stock loops, and anything over 50% stock isn't acceptable.


Again, can be reassessed if you look into a DAW which isn't just stock loops or listed in the guidelines. This has nothing to do with copyright, it just happens the auto checker referenced against another track using the same loops


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 21:46:46 (edited 2025-01-19 21:48:55)


At 1/19/25 09:13 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright.

Which is why I'm taking the stock loops approach. Groovepad is entirely stock loops, and anything over 50% stock isn't acceptable.

Again, can be reassessed if you look into a DAW which isn't just stock loops or listed in the guidelines. This has nothing to do with copyright, it just happens the auto checker referenced against another track using the same loops


Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-19 22:28:05 (edited 2025-01-19 22:33:02)


At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)


I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music


ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-20 07:16:08


At 1/6/25 03:32 PM, ElectroGgamer wrote:Hi, i was banned from uploading music a long time ago because i uploaded someone's recording of a classical music piece. I'm sorry, i was very young and very dumb, I regret my actions, it won't happen again, could you please unban me? I promise, i will upload my own music and my own music only, thank you so much in advance. โค๏ธ๐Ÿ™


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-21 06:57:50


At 1/20/25 07:16 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:I wanna upload my songs so much ๐Ÿ˜ญ


Have you actually made your own? The one you put up before was to try and exploit this site to use it in geometry dash.


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-22 20:15:06


I got a ban because I didn't read the rules on uploading audio and I tried to upload a song that was supposed to be a continuation of a song called Wound-up Windmill but it had high similarities and even having mostly the same tune as it and I didn't realize that wasn't allowed please un-ban me and I will try and focus on more original pieces in the future

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-23 18:34:07


  • I have tried to reupload Lycanthropy by cardi (which isn't copyrighted and isn't on newgrounds) but it says it matches "Corroption" by THE DARCK RAVER (which i can't find anywhere). (I don't know if reuploading someone elses work is against the TOS or anything)
  • https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/copyright/appeal/view/127831

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-23 19:37:55 (edited 2025-01-23 19:38:12)


At 1/23/25 06:34 PM, TheGreat999 wrote:(I don't know if reuploading someone elses work is against the TOS or anything)


Excuse me, but how can you not know that? When you open the very menu that lets you upload files to Newgrounds, does it not say "Only upload content YOU created & own the rights to. Read the Rules." at the bottom of said menu? That's not exactly cryptic or subtle.

And even if you somehow missed that, you could have looked up the rules. We have a luxurious FAQ that is linked on the bottom of every single page on Newgrounds.


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-24 22:20:19


At 1/19/25 10:28 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music

ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you


I have found an app that doesn't use stock loops and I am going to attempt to use it for all upcoming projects though I am not knoledgeable of specifically what will trigger P-Bot. I am requesting a runthrough of things that will and will not trigger the infringement sensor when using a basic, online, music-making software. (Ex. If online instruments, used in a completely original manor, will trigger P-Bot if another track happens to use a matching specific note with the same online instrument.)

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-25 02:56:08


At 1/24/25 10:20 PM, TatuSounds wrote:
At 1/19/25 10:28 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music

ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you

I have found an app that doesn't use stock loops and I am going to attempt to use it for all upcoming projects though I am not knoledgeable of specifically what will trigger P-Bot. I am requesting a runthrough of things that will and will not trigger the infringement sensor when using a basic, online, music-making software. (Ex. If online instruments, used in a completely original manor, will trigger P-Bot if another track happens to use a matching specific note with the same online instrument.)


Basically you don't have to worry about triggering the copyright bot system if you follow the rest of the NG audio guidelines. Don't use copyrighted samples at all, don't use samples in a stale arrangement, and make sure more than 50% of the resulting composition is your own original ideas. Mashups are not considered your own work btw, and neither are AI generated songs or songs entirely composed of loops.


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Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-25 08:42:07


At 1/25/25 02:56 AM, ADR3-N wrote:
At 1/24/25 10:20 PM, TatuSounds wrote:
At 1/19/25 10:28 PM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music

ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you

I have found an app that doesn't use stock loops and I am going to attempt to use it for all upcoming projects though I am not knoledgeable of specifically what will trigger P-Bot. I am requesting a runthrough of things that will and will not trigger the infringement sensor when using a basic, online, music-making software. (Ex. If online instruments, used in a completely original manor, will trigger P-Bot if another track happens to use a matching specific note with the same online instrument.)

Basically you don't have to worry about triggering the copyright bot system if you follow the rest of the NG audio guidelines. Don't use copyrighted samples at all, don't use samples in a stale arrangement, and make sure more than 50% of the resulting composition is your own original ideas. Mashups are not considered your own work btw, and neither are AI generated songs or songs entirely composed of loops.

That's the high points of the rules. If you need free music production resources, hit me up.

Also, are you a t.a.t.u fan by any chance? If so, that's my favorite band ever. Doubly hmu


Thanks for giving me some insight of what I shouldn't do when creating a project. (No, I have not heard of t.a.t.u. "Tatu" is the username that I use for every account that I have. It doesn't necessarily come from any anywhere.)

Response to Audio Appeal Thread 2025-01-26 23:31:42


At 1/21/25 06:57 AM, Pingu wrote:
At 1/20/25 07:16 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:I wanna upload my songs so much ๐Ÿ˜ญ

Have you actually made your own? The one you put up before was to try and exploit this site to use it in geometry dash.


This time, yes, I have. I can send you the songs I made if you want (sorry if this is the second time you see this reply, I don't know if the first got sent or not haha)