At 12/31/24 03:35 PM, DonnyGrounds wrote:my old SNES music isn't against the rules here, for me to post, but that too uses samples, they aren't really royalty-free, they are owned by companies like Roland etc. who do not allow you (in their legal guidelines) to sample their hardware (like Roland SC-55s) for use in SNES music, it has to be from the exact hardware and you must own it legally (or own a VST emu of it that is officially licensed by Roland, Korg, etc.) and I don't own either, and even then, legally-speaking I wouldn't be able to use those sounds in a sampler anyway, they have to come directly from the rompler or VST or else you are breaking their terms of use.

I would love to post my old tracks here, but I understand that those too are in a legal gray area due to the use of SNES samples, which were also ripped illicitly by the companies that made the games such as Square, who also violated Roland's TOS back in the day (which doesn't apply fully to NG's TOS, so I am not using this as an argument, I am saying this as an example that it seems that, if you look deep enough into it, every SNES soundtrack could be considered plunderphonics)

So, knowing that, should every track here that uses Mario Paint samples be removed? I think I recall hearing a couple tracks that use samples from that game which is technically not, like, supposed to be legal to do.

Some more reading: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/super-high-fidelity-mario-the-quest-to-find-original-gaming-audio-samples/

At 1/19/25 06:52 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad

Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.

"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.

There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.

Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."

At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:

At 1/19/25 06:52 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad

Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.

"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.

There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.

Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."

I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright. I'm not going to argue with you because I did break the guidelines. Thanks for at least responding!

At 1/19/25 08:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:

At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:

At 1/19/25 06:52 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 05:31 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I created a track with Groovepad

Groovepad is specifically named in the guidelines as not being allowed for the stock loops use. If you can look into something else to use we'll reconsider the ban but for now it's valid.

"You may not use stock loops/samples in an unoriginal arrangement.

There are plenty of pre-made loop packages available. Simply mixing these loops isn't your own original work; you will need to make more effort to create something unique.

Music made with Groovepad, Live Loop and similar software falls under the stock loops category."

I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright. I'm not going to argue with you because I did break the guidelines. Thanks for at least responding!

EDIT: After some "highly complex research" (a Google search), I have found that tracks that are created with Groovepad are actually allowed to be submitted to Newgrounds! Even in the official guidelines, it never directly states that you cannot submit tracks with stock loops (most of the guidelines for stock loops are talking about copyrighted stock loops. Groovepad is royalty free), it's just discouraged. In the guidelines for Groovepad sharing, all that it really says is that you have to give credit to the creators (which I did do). Using all of this information, I have gathered that I didn't really do anything to justify a ban. So again, I please ask of you to accept my appeal, and allow me to continue submitting tracks.

At 1/19/25 09:13 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 08:00 PM, TatuSounds wrote:I feel like a ban is a bit much for this situation, especially since this falls into the category of unoriginality, not copyright.

Which is why I'm taking the stock loops approach. Groovepad is entirely stock loops, and anything over 50% stock isn't acceptable.

Again, can be reassessed if you look into a DAW which isn't just stock loops or listed in the guidelines. This has nothing to do with copyright, it just happens the auto checker referenced against another track using the same loops

At 1/6/25 03:32 PM, ElectroGgamer wrote:Hi, i was banned from uploading music a long time ago because i uploaded someone's recording of a classical music piece. I'm sorry, i was very young and very dumb, I regret my actions, it won't happen again, could you please unban me? I promise, i will upload my own music and my own music only, thank you so much in advance. ❤️🙏

At 1/19/25 10:28 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music

ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you

At 1/24/25 10:20 PM, TatuSounds wrote:

At 1/19/25 10:28 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music

ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you

I have found an app that doesn't use stock loops and I am going to attempt to use it for all upcoming projects though I am not knoledgeable of specifically what will trigger P-Bot. I am requesting a runthrough of things that will and will not trigger the infringement sensor when using a basic, online, music-making software. (Ex. If online instruments, used in a completely original manor, will trigger P-Bot if another track happens to use a matching specific note with the same online instrument.)

At 1/25/25 02:56 AM, ADR3-N wrote:

At 1/24/25 10:20 PM, TatuSounds wrote:

At 1/19/25 10:28 PM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/19/25 09:46 PM, TatuSounds wrote:Are you telling me that if I say that I can make a track without stock, you will unban me? (I know what you're saying, I just don't know what you actually want me to do.)

I'm telling you to use another program and not rely on stock loops to make your music

ETA: You'd still have a ban for not following the rules, just not the default permanent one the system gave you

I have found an app that doesn't use stock loops and I am going to attempt to use it for all upcoming projects though I am not knoledgeable of specifically what will trigger P-Bot. I am requesting a runthrough of things that will and will not trigger the infringement sensor when using a basic, online, music-making software. (Ex. If online instruments, used in a completely original manor, will trigger P-Bot if another track happens to use a matching specific note with the same online instrument.)

Basically you don't have to worry about triggering the copyright bot system if you follow the rest of the NG audio guidelines. Don't use copyrighted samples at all, don't use samples in a stale arrangement, and make sure more than 50% of the resulting composition is your own original ideas. Mashups are not considered your own work btw, and neither are AI generated songs or songs entirely composed of loops.

That's the high points of the rules. If you need free music production resources, hit me up.

Also, are you a t.a.t.u fan by any chance? If so, that's my favorite band ever. Doubly hmu

At 1/26/25 11:31 PM, ElectroGgamer wrote:

At 1/21/25 06:57 AM, Pingu wrote:

At 1/20/25 07:16 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:I wanna upload my songs so much 😭

Have you actually made your own? The one you put up before was to try and exploit this site to use it in geometry dash.

This time, yes, I have. I can send you the songs I made if you want (sorry if this is the second time you see this reply, I don't know if the first got sent or not haha)

At 1/30/25 10:23 PM, Yatsufusa wrote:

At 1/30/25 06:35 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:Hi, please don't forget about me, I still want to upload the songs I made, please 🙏🙏🙏

I'm not a moderator, just a bystander, but unless you did so privately, I suspect you did not provide any proof* of your claim to the Audio Portal Moderators.

The easiest 2 solutions for hosting would be to either use your Dumping Grounds (as a holder of an "old" account or NG supporter [which would also conveniently solve your other problem]) or whatever other free file hosting service you use.
And to then provide a link either in a PM or in the links in your NG profile.

* (proof that you have created at least one track that complies with the rules)

At 12/20/21 05:54 PM, Pingu wrote:Hi there!

You're upset that one of your songs was flagged by our scanning program, and want to come ask about it. To consolidate all the little threads which float in Where is/How to and Audio forums, we've created a collective spot to dump your grief.

To keep things moving along, make sure you have done the following FIRST:

If you meet the above criteria AND it has been a few days since you filed the appeal (greater than 3), post your case here and we'll look into it.

Keep in mind, we are sorting through all the appeals manually which takes time to do properly for all parties involved. This process can be hampered by not providing supporting material at the outset.

Be polite.

At 2/8/25 07:06 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:

At 1/30/25 10:23 PM, Yatsufusa wrote:

At 1/30/25 06:35 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:Hi, please don't forget about me, I still want to upload the songs I made, please 🙏🙏🙏

I'm not a moderator, just a bystander, but unless you did so privately, I suspect you did not provide any proof* of your claim to the Audio Portal Moderators.

The easiest 2 solutions for hosting would be to either use your Dumping Grounds (as a holder of an "old" account or NG supporter [which would also conveniently solve your other problem]) or whatever other free file hosting service you use.
And to then provide a link either in a PM or in the links in your NG profile.

* (proof that you have created at least one track that complies with the rules)

So, if i wanna show proof that i made original songs, i need to upload them to my file dump, and then post the link here? OK, i'll do that rn

Edit: alr, i can't upload mp3s to my file dump, but i'll upload them to my google drive and then post the links here

Edit 2: Just uploaded 3 of my songs, i can upload 2 more if you need, here are the links:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gdFZj6tfQG10uN788FavjLFoun2uEKA9/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VpPf084D7a4DwLlz8Gb4huxLQ2g3iWMu/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NMMVE4Tntfcsd8dXjliKS-m7E8McuJEz/view?usp=drive_link

They're not that good, but i think i can improve if i spend a little more time in fl studio
I can also send you the flp files if you need

At 2/10/25 06:34 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:

At 2/8/25 07:06 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:

At 1/30/25 10:23 PM, Yatsufusa wrote:

At 1/30/25 06:35 AM, ElectroGgamer wrote:Hi, please don't forget about me, I still want to upload the songs I made, please 🙏🙏🙏

I'm not a moderator, just a bystander, but unless you did so privately, I suspect you did not provide any proof* of your claim to the Audio Portal Moderators.

The easiest 2 solutions for hosting would be to either use your Dumping Grounds (as a holder of an "old" account or NG supporter [which would also conveniently solve your other problem]) or whatever other free file hosting service you use.
And to then provide a link either in a PM or in the links in your NG profile.

* (proof that you have created at least one track that complies with the rules)

So, if i wanna show proof that i made original songs, i need to upload them to my file dump, and then post the link here? OK, i'll do that rn

Edit: alr, i can't upload mp3s to my file dump, but i'll upload them to my google drive and then post the links here

Edit 2: Just uploaded 3 of my songs, i can upload 2 more if you need, here are the links:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gdFZj6tfQG10uN788FavjLFoun2uEKA9/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VpPf084D7a4DwLlz8Gb4huxLQ2g3iWMu/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NMMVE4Tntfcsd8dXjliKS-m7E8McuJEz/view?usp=drive_link

They're not that good, but i think i can improve if i spend a little more time in fl studio
I can also send you the flp files if you need

Pls notice me 😭

At 2/10/25 06:45 AM, Pingu wrote:

At 2/9/25 01:32 PM, SugarSlash wrote:I got audio striked for making a lofi hip-hop song with free uncopyrighted samples, because a song I've literally never heard before used the same samples (they were the exact same some how)

I see the ban on the history but no record of an appeal. Was it your drum loop submission?

At 2/10/25 11:08 AM, SugarSlash wrote:

At 2/10/25 06:45 AM, Pingu wrote:

At 2/9/25 01:32 PM, SugarSlash wrote:I got audio striked for making a lofi hip-hop song with free uncopyrighted samples, because a song I've literally never heard before used the same samples (they were the exact same some how)

I see the ban on the history but no record of an appeal. Was it your drum loop submission?

No it was some lofi hip-hop song I posted.
Though a mod did notice my forum post (but not my appeal I sent for some reason).
So then I got a message from m bot saying that he deleted my audio file.
Which is probably the reason why I don't have a appeal or ban I think?
Idk.