Suno AI:

My brain said "Suno" upon hearing this, and sure enough it was a 192kbps bitrate. Not sure if it's actually AI, but that's what I initially thought.

Groovepad:

All these songs have either "groovepad" or "groovepad team" credited in the metadata. I know it specifically says you can't use Groovepad in the audio guidelines, but I thought it best to bring this up because I know there was a recent discussion about whether bandlab songs can be on Newgrounds. I saw a reddit post where someone "read the EULA" and found out that you can't redistribute songs created from the app, but when I read it myself, I saw no mentions of the music people ceate, just the legal terms for use of the software. Reading into one of Groovepad's help articles isn't much help either, because while it says "the sound packs that are produced by our artists and are available in the app are royalty-free", the same page also states, "you are not allowed to sell, distribute, sublicense or in any other way transfer or grant any rights to the loops or sound packs of the app, as is, to any third party, or use them in another similar app." I'm not sure if this is simply refering to the standalone loops or if it could possibly be applied to the songs created from those loops (and could see it be argued either way). I'm not sure how much of these songs are loop spam, as I've never used any kind of loop app or know what to look for. Also, it appears that Groovepad songs require attribution to the original app, although this may be only for comercial use (as that is what is specifically titled by the help article).

Drone is NOT AI!

Drum'Drop is NOT AI too! This is just FL Studio's Basic Kit drums

I didn't report it, so I must have just put in the wrong link. Whoops.

That's good. I think it was just the bitrate that made me initially assume AI.

A few Suno songs:

Hello everyone, sorry for bothering you, first time I post something here. Thanks to a very competent user on the Elite Guard Barrack who reported a disgusting video involving bestiality with stolen images, I dig a bit in the profile of this user who blatantly admits to want to use AI-generated music with Suno AI, here the journal:

https://angenwolf.newgrounds.com/news

I suggest to keep an eye on everything that will be made. Again sorry for bothering you, I am new in this kind of situations but I appreciate all the work you and others do to keep clean this wonderful site.

Suno AI:

This person is creating multiple accounts to evade a ban (I’m assuming). They uploaded many AI tracks before on their older account (13 to be exact), and now they are trying again on their new one. @ADR3-N, can you please take a look?

The song:

The accounts:

https://avaxlumino.newgrounds.com/

https://avaxluminoo.newgrounds.com/

Udio AI:

“Electric Pulse” lists Udio v1.5 as the contributing artist, and I think the rest of the tracks are AI too (although I’m less certain). It looks like they tried to use an AI stem splitter to separate out the vocals from “The Cementary” (hahaha spelling). 

Earrape:

Silence:

Hey you guys, just found this, posted from 2008. Is this allowed because I'm hearing parts of the original song. You tell me, but again, stolen materials shouldn't be posted here https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/130503

Most of these were uploaded in the last 24 hours. 

Suno AI:

Here’s the spectrogram for that last one, since the bitrate was manually changed:

This user is scouted! 

It’s a whole account of Suno songs. They “collabed” with another Suno uploader.  

The account: xren-music

The user they “collabed” with: x0r0z

Suno songs:

Pretty sure this is them too, as a linked youtube channel has similar Suno AI lofi songs, and it’s the same name:

xrengdm

Stolen:

Suspicious:

Here's a few more:

Suno AI:

Spam/Stolen:

This user is scouted with two AI tracks.

Here's a few more too:

I just wanted to say, that i am impressed by all the good work of all contributers of this project! I always admired your work (but never told you before) - it must be tedious and obnoxious in a kind. So big props to you!

Hello, I am stupid and forget how to report, is this kind of "two random samples playing incoherently for 10 seconds" thing worth flagging? I believe it should fall under the "no stock loop / unoriginal arrangement" rule but I guess it barely even counts as an arrangement.

Noise / Ear Damage:

These are just an effect on top of the original material:

original by waterflame. at the 0:41 mark.

original is hello by omfg.

I don't know the source for this one, but it's basically just a bunch of random songs this 1 user couldn't have created.

this is a music box recording, assuming this user didn't make the music box I believe it should be flagged.

i typed some of the lyrics into google and its a song from that new descendants movie, of all things.

@Leavesz

In my opinion, ear damaging audio should always be flagged (as well as rated low, because trolls will always vote 5 on their spam submissions, so others fall for their crap). Regardless of whether it was malicious or due to incompetence you wouldn't want other users to get physically hurt. Same in the Movie Portal, btw.

I can't imagine Pingu or ADR3-N going "Yeah, but it's 'artistic' ear damaging noise..." ;)

As for the music box recording... Even if I were to play devil's advocate: The tune is Pop! Goes the Weasel, which isn't copyrighted but it's not their original creation either. One might consider it a lazy cover. The wind/distant thunder sounds might have been added intentionally.

Overall, I fail to see why it was even uploaded here... Under other circumstances I'd say "Let's see what the artist has to say.", but said artist just uploaded the file without providing any information to go by, both on the submission as well as their completely empty profile. If I had to take a guess, I'd say it's probably a certain type of user who hopes to get scouted (From this? How?!) without even knowing how the scouting system works - so that they can upload Suno AI-tracks for reasons that have nothing to do with Newgrounds or its community to begin with.

I always flag painful audio and silence even though there's no specific category for it in the report tab. I usually put it under the "spam" category, as it's the closest one that matches. Actually, I feel like the spam category on audio reports should be updated, as I have only once seen a shady link on an audio submission (after 1500 flags), and never what I would call a "marketing scheme". Maybe I've just gotten lucky. The audio guidelines give examples of "white noise, blowing into the microphone, screaming, and text-to-speech" as things that shouldn't be on the audio portal, as well as stating that submissions shouldn't be "painful to listen to". I imagine it could be revised to something like "Promoting shady links, audio is painful to listen to, blatant ad." The wording and sentence structuring could be different, but it get's down the general idea. I know it misses on TTS, and maybe white noise, but it hits most of the obnoxious submissions I find. A new category could always be added too, but (in my opinion) I think it would be mostly pointless and create clutter in the report tab. Also, if the description for the spam report can't be changed exclusively for audio, then what we have now is fine. I'm sure most people will logically use the spam tab as I have been doing. I kinda want to (at) Tom to sugest this, but does anyone else have input or sugestions?

Honestly, I sometimes see kiddos upload their audio and then type in the author comments how they're confused as to why their (often AI) track isn't working in GD. "What is this scouting system? Never heard of it!" - a GD Suno AI uploader, probably.

I think "Malicious" (Which is used in the Movie & Games Portals) would be a more than fitting addition.

Ears are technically hardware and they are extremely expensive to repair - which is not even possible in all cases.

I write a lot of reports in a lot of different systems. Fittingly, the categorizations are as divers as the different kinds of media.

For comparison:

In the Movie Portal (which is a war-field), 70% of my flags are "Spam". Not because it fits the definition but rather because no other definition fits... If stuff doesn't fit any other category you use what you have. The rest is almost exclusively about the unlicensed use of licensed music.

In the Art Portal (which is behaving well most of the time and then terrible the rest of the time), about 80% are about the finer points of age rating, where I often write stuff like "Between "E" and "T" because this is essentially a pin-up, but I'm very of the fence about this - you decide". The rest is "This is almost certainly stolen/traced."

In the Audio Portal, 95% of what I report on is audio that "overly relies on the work of others"-stuff (Music Category). The rest is about silence, exploding speakers, and... a joke that stops being funny after the 10th time it happens... (AKA blatantly plagiarized work - sometimes with a full letter of confession attached, sometimes "How is this 'remixed'? It sounds exactly the same as the original...")

The more I talk about this, the more I think this is not so much a discussion to have with Mr. Fulp and more a discussion that should happen between the Audio Portal Moderation Team and the users who flagged a lot of tracks. Preferable in another thread here in the Audio Forum.

I think that is a communication-issue that the Geometry Dash-community has, but that the NG community has to suffer from.

While I know that not all our users coming to us from that community are like that, the users who are like that are the ones you notice the most. At times, I want to suggest NG changing the download url for Audio Portal submissions and redirecting all of the old urls to a single file that their game translates to an extremely easy 20-second obstacle course reading "Read the f***ing FAQ and the Audio Portal rules before you register an account on Newgrounds to "make your own levels"! Your game will return to normal on YYYY-MM-DD – Sincerely, The Newgrounds Audio Portal." ( Only for a week or so... )

But if we were to do that, all the innocent players would be "rightfully" angry at Newgrounds... Newgrounds, who provides them with "levels" for their game free of charge and with no economic benefit - just because a certain someone is so nice.

What those players need, aside from the ability to communicate, is an option in the game to just play the files they provide on their own without the "extremely complicated" step of "Just install the non-browser version of the game and replace one of the audio files with your own."

But that's out of our hands...

To people from the future who might read this and think I'm being mean to them or their people: In the past year I have only ever knowingly encountered two members of the GD-community here on Newgrounds who were not like that - one of them rather recently. Given those circumstances, I would say that I am displaying an extremely moderate and forgiving response here.

Read the rules and conditions you agree to before agreeing to them and only agree to them if you are okay with them. My soul belongs to bumcheekcity (if they can find it). I am not complaining and I am sure bumcheekcity would take good care of it. Are you fine with somebody owning your soul? If not, then maybe you should have read those ToS for your VoIP service a bit more carefully... It's too late now.

Stolen from: https://soundcloud.com/jonathan-so-988423341/for-me

It looks like the guy uploaded the same stolen file three times to try and get scouted for GD?

A few Suno AI tracks:

This user is creating multiple accounts to upload AI audio. They tried to upload AI tracks on their old account a few days ago, and now has a new account with songs fresh out of Suno. @pingu, wanna take a look?

Old account

New account

Songs:

Stolen:

Something still sounds off about this track and user:

I was asking about this one actually.

It is just 2 random stock samples playing incoherently for a second or two, it barely constitutes a jingle and it might as well be silence, but other than that there's nothing in the guidelines that would explicitly forbid a submission such as this one, so I'm unsure on whether to flag it or not.

But now that we're on the topic of rules being obtuse I would like to suggest staff to expand on the "Your audio can not damage ears or be painful to listen to." section of the Audio Guidelines. 'et cetera' is a very broad term, it would be appreciated if it were more specific than that in regards to what is considered "painful to listen to".

Exempli gratia I can imagine some EDM track that for whatever reason is sitting at +3 LUFS wouldn't count as "white noise, blowing into the microphone, screaming, and text-to-speech" but it still would be way too loud in comparison to everything else on the site what would potentially cause hearing damage and I assume it wouldn't be allowed, but it's not explicitly stated in the rules and I would shy away from reporting it just because of that.

Another thing, a musique concrete / noise music soundscape could be considered ear damaging in a case by case basis but it isn't exactly clear if it's breaking the rule regardless just because it is considered "white noise, blowing into the microphone, screaming" or "et cetera". Stupid as I am, I thought it would be fine to upload such a thing if I just lowered the volume of the file by a considerate amount of decibels to avoid it being "painful to listen to" but it got removed regardless, what also got me a third of the year banned, so I assume the problem wasn't so much that it was too loud or "painful to listen to" and rather that it was considered to be just "noise". Would be nice if it were explicitly stated that musique concrete or noise collages are not allowed.

And another minor thing I kind of just noticed is that nightcore is said to be completely forbidden in the guidelines but from a couple threads asking about it in the audio forum I gather that it is allowed on the condition that it is the authors own original work that they're speeding up, if that's the case I'd say that needs to be reworded too.

The No-Nightcore-rule* is essentially a No-Plagiarizing/No-Stealing-rule.

While I do not doubt that those threads are there, but I do not know if those necessarily reflect the views of the entire Audio Portal Moderation Team if they are not in the rules. I'd also say regular users cannot be asked to go digging through the forums for special exceptions before every single report they make. In my eyes, submitting the same track multiple times is pretty much the same as submitting the same track twice at the same speed: It's spam. And when I cannot notice any difference between two tracks when I listen to them back to back, I will report them as spam until the rules are changed or a Moderator writes me a PM that I do not need to flag those because their team has been told not to remove those cases anymore.

* At the time of writing: "Nightcore (speeding up source material and increasing pitch) is not allowed even if you have permission to use the source material." (source)

This song has nothing, it is 0 seconds long. Unless maybe the uploading was broken. But the title has spam text and so far he's only posted one song. I didn't mark it, I only do when a song is stolen

He did a good remake to this song, but in the beginning he took part of the original song for the first 10 seconds. I didn't mark this either because 90% of this song is possibly just a remake. But you tell me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZSe6N_BXs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPiW0tkWfeg

There's more but I'm not going to put long lists because I know I'm not supposed to do that, instead I should just mark it and the moderators will take a look.

I got good events and bad events. Should we begin with the bad first? People are still posting stolen songs today, but not as much as they did in the last 10 years. The good is, now that GD is in 2.2, we are allowed to use NCS or the full song of Fingerbang. It was definitely worth the wait for 6 years. But yes check the songs I posted above and tell me if its allowed.

Try going to undiscovered artists and filter it to late 2014 to early 2015, I found lots of them. When 1.9 was released, that was when many people began stealing songs for GD

as for the ATSOL remix, it cannot be deleted. Why? firstly, the original song is on Newgrounds, DimRain47 uploaded it himself. An example is the remix of Nine Circles by Xtrullor. there are also moments that were taken from the original composition, so this is allowed, I think.

Additionally, At the Speed of Light is licenced under a Creative Commons BY-NC 3.0 licence, which allows anyone to "copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format" as well as "remix, transform, and build upon the material" as long as it is done so non-comercially and with appropriate credit. While Newgrounds might not let you do certain things with the song (ie reupload it to the AP with no changes), Dimrain47 cannot say anything about remixes like that. As for Newgrounds, I think of it as a case by case basis. It depends on what is being remixed and how much of the composition is original. I personally wouldn't flag the remix by Larryfdsthe, as most of it is original and the licence for the original song permits adaptation.

Suno AI:

I swear these Suno songs are always titled "Neon Lights", "Techno Moon", "Artificial Ascent", or "Pixel something". That's sometimes how I hunt for Suno tracks.

This user went to the dark side. It's all Suno AI.

Stolen:

Spam:

This user has uploaded stolen audio before, but I don't know enough about starfox to know if this track is stolen or a recreation:

Feels like a GD reupload, user is begging for a scout. I have no idea if it's original or not; it just feels suspicious to me. There's typos in the note saying that it "took a long time", only tags related to GD, and constant begging for a scout. Everything screams GD reupload. Hopefully my suspicions are misplaced and it's just a mildly annoying user.

Suno:

Stolen:

Groovepad (not sure about loop usage):

More Suno AI:

I had some strong feelings about this last one:

Stolen:

A reminder: Most of these songs were posted in the last 24 hours.

Suno AI:

Stolen:

Spam:

I was pointed toward this user, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if their music is just loop and/or midi spam. If anyone else wants to take a look, here's an example:

I don't think loud music is allowed, I remember hearing over that rule even if its their own work. I didn't mark it, but play it and tell me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ljevLR5gU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ovgKZCiWqw

I don't know for this one, I can't tell if it sounds exactly the same as the YT link below, didn't mark. He only posted two songs saying its for GD. Many people did a midi remake to that song but play both the ng and the yt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pleY7-N0GOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykj_wJKkaAg

Fast version of the yt link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-gyZ35074k

If you all can, please filter the date undiscovered search to around December 2014, I found lots of suspicious songs as many of them have posted only one song and says for GD. I can't just post possible stolen songs here without proof from YouTube