Hi everyone, I'm so excited to be writing this post again! Because I found a user today who uploaded AI audio and made it to the main page today. I actually wanted to go to bed now, but this incident cheered me up really well.

@Questtrek please make sure of this, or there's little chance I could be wrong, but I'm still somehow sure I'm not wrong.

Introducing AleaAcademy. He made his music, it even made the front page, but he decided at one point that no one would notice that he was using AI. How wrong he was...

The most notable thing is that the very audio that sounds like AI songs can't be downloaded, but all of his other music can be downloaded with no problem. Most likely he didn't want anyone to see the coveted 128kbps, even though it already shows that it's 320kbps, but not a damn thing like that. I can even hear that it's not 320 kbps.

Frontpaged AI song

Other AI songs

Yep, I agree that all these songs are AI, at least from what I'm hearing. The metadata of the songs have all been changed to 320kbps, but they're not even close to that. Also Suno AI exports up to 192kbps; 128kbps often indicates a stolen bandcamp or youtube track. That being said, your ears were were very accurate, as when analyzed in a spectrogram, all of these songs have a cutoff at 16kHz, which indicates that the original bitrate was around 128kbps. This is because Suno AI often will not reach the maxiumum bitrate if 192kbps, especially if the user does not cherry pick the best generation. So not only is AleaAcademy lazy, but they didn't even have the patience to find "good" Suno songs. Still though, you can see little bits of the songs jump up to 19kHz, indicating that it was most likely Suno, as a max frequency of 19kHz is indicative of a bitrate of 192kbps, the max output of Suno AI.

Example spectrogram of the song that was frontpaged:

Full spectrogram analysis here.

Who frontpaged this? It's not that hard to tell that it's AI, especially with the even lower bitrate than normal. All of AleaAcademy's AI songs have fairly low scores too. Even if people don't know they're AI, they can still hear that it's not that great. That's why I'm confused that "Aether Birb" got frontpaged.

This guy uploaded either Suno or stolen tracks in the past, and now they're back with a couple more Suno songs. They have a bit rate of 192kbps, and the user openly admits to them being AI in the description and tags. Repeat offender.

You were correct -- they were unmistakably Suno AI. We'll be looking through the rest of his submissions, but if you find any more, let us know!

This hunt was small because I have some art that I need to polish before uploading.

Suno AI:

Stolen:

Spam:

Also did some digging yesterday, and AleaAcademy has so many aliasses online and I wouldn't be suprised if they came back (or already have an alt account under the same name as one of these other aliasses. I doubt it will ever be as bad as Morphyxe, but I though I should mention it. Their other public music profiles include: NVAEIL, ZafkielA, silverdesired, Star Flux, cosmictrigger12, starfluxpiano, denofdesired, and probably more. Also, I find it strange that they deleted their account. Most of their other work wasn't AI and actually sounded pretty good.

Well, that's that problem solved. Sure, whatever legit work he's made has gotten wiped as well, but if the guy was going for AI, it probably wasn't all that great anyway.

icooki3 deleted his account because audio got deleted and created his new account again but still uploaded his stolen songs. It's look like he getting away with it . this is 3 times already.

And he's already scouted too, just great. I'm definitely more of a NG user than a GD user, but even I know that icooki3 is generally not a great guy (to put it very lightly). I briefly listened to a couple of his songs, how does he steal them? Is he just uploading other people's remixes and claiming it to be his own songs, or is he "remixing" other peoples' music while not adding much of anything? I''ll take a closer look later maybe. In the meantime report what you know is stolen; you have more experience with him and his various accounts than I do.

I had a quick look as well: It seems some songs are co-authored by one other NG artist with 2 scouted accounts. So that's "probably" how he got scouted so quickly.

If you suspect someone of creating a new account to evade a ban and steal music for GD, even if you're not sure, you can @TomFulp. We can check for these things.

I've been looking at this account for a while and just not familiar enough with the material to make a judgement one way or the other

You're right. A lot of rule breakers or would-be rule breakers will try to collab with scouted artists OR just add them to their projects for no reason in order to get scouted via the wider portal exposure.

Really makes me think we should limit the scout feature in some way to members who have been in the portal for years, or supporters, or users manually approved to scout by mods/staff. Be on the lookout and always investigate an unscouted account featured alongside a scouted account.

I’m not sure if this guy sampled the whole track, but I’ll put it here just in case

I think he got deleted again! Yippe!

Not feeling well, which is a shame because I had art I wanted to complete, but in my off time I found a few AI songs:

Suno:

Take a look at this:

Made with Udio v1.5. It says so in the file metadata. Also, on YouTube it is labeled as "IA Music". They know what they're doing. This is scary, but there's still some artifacting on the vocals and the drums. They appear to be preemptively diverting focus away from how this song was made by saying it was for "entertainment purposes". Udio scares me a lot more than Suno does, I hate both of them all the same.

Stolen:

Mildly suspicious of these two:

Also the profile image makes me think it's clarozh, someone who uploaded AI tracks a while back, but it could just be a coincidence, considering it is a random character from an old mobile game.

Spam:

My apologies to approach the readers with something so bland, compared to AI hunting, but you (Yes: "You, dear reader.") are the best option I have left:

I do not know a whole lot about the process of creating music in the digital age, therefore I am uncertain what to flag and what not to in this situation, so I was hoping somebody here might be up to the task:

- The Audio Guidelines (Music Maker Restrictions) currently state: "You may not upload music made with [...] BandLab (the mobile app, not Cakewalk)."

- There is a looooong list of Audio Portal submissions tagged as being created using BandLab.

- I suspect that a bunch of those submissions were actually created in Cakewalk and just have been tagged wrong - because artists on NG usually aren't the best at tagging their stuff.

- I also suspect that some artists who created tracks in BandLab will sometimes have been inconsistent with tagging their work as #BandLab, so there might be additional digging involved.

If somebody wants to help in the Audio Portal (or just wants to earn a ton of whistle points) and can reliably tell the difference between tracks created in BandLab and those created in Cakewalk (or other audio editors), this is their chance. But please don't just flag hundreds of submissions willy-nilly! We should make the Audio Portal moderators' job easier - not harder...

A belated "Thank you!" to @wolfatthedoor, for bringing up that, "Yes, sometimes people who upload tracks to the Audio Portal are just that obvious and/or ignorant!"

The reason this DAW was disallowed FYI is: when these rules were written, BandLab was either incapable of anything besides loop music (duplo) OR the loops were under funky licensing that prohibited publishing. Similar apps like Music Maker Jam had the same deal.

So the real test of whether you should flag a BandLab submission is: is it duplo music (more than 50% loop spam), or do you know the rights to the samples prohibit distribution?

Thank you for clarifying. You are the best, @ADR3-N! I hope you'll have a nice, relaxing weekend for a change.

If I could still update my post to incorporate that bit of information, I would. (If one of the forum moderators can use their powers to add a line to my post reading "Also read ADR3-N's explanation below before you run off flagging stuff." I would be totally okay with that.)

both of these songs are the exact same! I’m not sure if reposting counts as against the rules but if it is, here’s @wiscmz’s account. He also posted in the frontpage suggestion thread his own audio, which is against the thread rules. I’m not sure if this even is his audio, or if it’s stolen! But check him out, he seems suspicious.

Yepp... This seems like one of those users who gives the Geometry Dash-community its piss-poor reputation. They favorite'd their own work as well. And they only voted for 2 submissions so far - "probably" their own. This is why early ratings don't mean anything...

Now that I'm done stating the obvious, I'd like to take advantage of an opportunity to teach something:

Welcome to the fine Art of 'Reporting People'

In general, users who do not read the rules they agreed to and do shady s*it are not "good" people. If you contact them discreetly via PM to inform them that what they do is wrong, they will act immaturely in over 80% of the cases. (It was worse in "the olden days", btw...) If they are caught and you make it clear to them that it was you who reported them, they will also have a strong tendency to act immature.

If you look at the way other users here link to the people they talk about, you will notice that nobody here uses @[ILikeTheSmellOfMyOwnFarts] but rather links to them manually. They do this because that way, the person they link to doesn't get a little, automated notification, leading them right to your post. Editing that @[PlzWhitelistMySunoAITracksForGD] out in post will (to the best of my knowledge) not remove the notification. And due to the way the forums are set up, posts cannot be deleted by their writers and it was already too late to edit the post by the time I saw it.

What you could do would be to ask Mr. Fulp (who is asleep right now, because it's the middle of the night on a bloody Sunday) to delete your post and hope that it still happens in time. Otherwise you could toughen it out and block the user in question if they are getting too annoying.

I hope this helps.

P.S.: If you're reading this and you're from the future, feel free to link to this post or copy&adapt the text above as needed. I'm not precious about these things. The most important thing is to help those who need said help.

I just did it so viewers could Have easier access to his account, but yeah, good point 😂, if he starts bitching at me, I’ll just block him and report him to fulp, I’ll be sure to use manual links other then notices

@G2961 brought my attention to a suspicious song that was frontpaged. He suspects it was made with Udio AI and I share his suspicions. The user: Vunks.

When I listened to it, the first thing I noticed was that the bitrate was not 320kbps, despite what the metadata says. I ran it through a spectrogram and sure enough, there's a massive cutoff at 16kHz, which is indicative of a bitrate of 128kbps. While Udio AI v1.5 isn't listed as a contributing artist, that can easilly be altered if you aren't completely tech illiterate. There's a possibility that he didn't export it properly, but that doesn't explain why the file is claiming to be 320kbps. Why would the file metadata be mismatched with the actual bitrate? Usually this is because the user manually changed it, or it's an Udio generation, which always labels the song as 320kbps, even if it's not even close to that. (This is different than Suno AI, which always outputs at 192kbps.) I also find it strange that this supposedly experienced musician is "still working on [his] style." Lastly, some areas in the track sound a little strange. For example, what happens at 1:37? While I understand that it could just be an effect Vunks chose to use, I also recognize that it sounds a bit like an artifact from an AI model. I might have missed something or misunderstood something about music production, but given the mismatch of the bitrates, the user's comments, and a couple strange spots in the track, I think it was made with Udio. @ADR3-N, what do you think?

Spectrogram:

I checked his only other song, and it appears to be more real than not to me. There's no issues with the bitrate, and it doesn't trigger my internal AI alarm the same way the other track did.

Should I ask him about when he made this song? if his answer is like, "I wrote this song just recently," then he can be asked to send the project file as a zip archive, which will also contain sounds that could be rendered as a wav file, or one-shots that were used in his song. if he refuses to send and he won't want to prove his innocence, then I can assume he's cheating using udio.

I think this account used alt accounts to vote their own submission, I just don’t believe that out of eight listeners, five voted for it, it’s just not possible.

You can just ask him to screen record the project itself with his phone or something -- it's less invasive than asking for someone's stems! Generally we discourage users from doing this kind of investigating directly, because it can result in a lot of backlash from the users in question or come off as suspicious. But of course, it's a free internet; as long as you aren't harassing, you're technically not doing anything wrong.

Bear in mind that Suno and Udio use sound templates, so to speak, with their AI. It's like they only use certain instruments. If I hear these in a submission, it's a dead ringer to me.

Sorry I haven't been monitoring the thread as actively the past few days. I was exposed to chlorine gas at work and I've been sick for a few days. You can always @ me though. I WILL see it. Just might take me a while.

It's possible they were in a discord group or something. At least 2 of those are reviews, which can be checked by admin @TomFulp if they are alt accounts. They were also scouted shortly after those reviews.

I had several cases when my song had 8 listens and 5 ratings, but I have 1.1 thousand subscribers, but he has FOUR!

Yes you are right! For some reason, I didn't think that this was somehow wrong, so yes - a video, for example, with a .flp project will not be so suspicious.

Looked into it and at the least there's no IP matches between accounts and it's not a bunch of new accounts. I'd ere on the side of their friends coming to vote for their song, along with some other long established accounts.

It turns out that he is not to blame for anything and it's just that his friends voted for his song very quickly

Most of these were published in the last 48 hours.

Suno AI:

An older user that fell into the trap of Suno:

I highly suspect that these two songs are both Suno. There might be some additions to them, but I think that it's mostly AI. Look at the cutoff in the spectrograms. (19kHZ is indicative of a 192kbps bitrate, the max output of Suno AI.)

Spectrograms:

Stolen:

Low bitrate for some reason: