incorrect. if the OC is not copyrighted, a secondary copyright from a new author that covers the song cant stand in court, so it does not violate our rule as long as the audio can be reasonably seen as original "enough"... took a listen and this person goes RIGHT off the rails all over the place from the original song synths
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At 2/15/23 04:46 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:45 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 03:43 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 01:20 PM, g2961 wrote:And these are remixes of "Morgenstern" tracks or stolen songs, mashups.
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1056887
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1045222
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1063614
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1097361
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1086724
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1109487
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1084206
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1169999
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1087592
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1101929
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1089791
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1114269
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1157881
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1161223
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1078713
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1176035
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1062215
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1111742
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1072796
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1144836

COVERS and REMIXES of existing songs are accepted if you have permission from the original artist or the original song is public domain

Be careful what you flag, most of these pass. the phonic stuff is under determination, but anything from MORGENSHTERN is public domain so if the mods call you on your incorrect flags, then you will receive HEAVY negative whistle points.

It's just that the MORGENSHTERN artist does not upload his music for free, but sells it on music venues.

prove the copyright, digital busking does not equal copyright ownership

At 2/15/23 05:15 PM, g2961 wrote:

incorrect. if the OC is not copyrighted, a secondary copyright from a new author that covers the song cant stand in court, so it does not violate our rule as long as the audio can be reasonably seen as original "enough"... took a listen and this person goes RIGHT off the rails all over the place from the original song synths
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https://youtu.be/qrxv0JNVtgY This is original song by Cypis - https://youtu.be/qrxv0JNVtgY

At 2/15/23 05:19 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:46 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:45 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 03:43 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 01:20 PM, g2961 wrote:And these are remixes of "Morgenstern" tracks or stolen songs, mashups.
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1056887
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1045222
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1063614
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1097361
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1086724
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1109487
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1084206
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1169999
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1087592
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1101929
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1089791
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1114269
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1157881
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1161223
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1078713
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1176035
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1062215
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1111742
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1072796
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1144836

COVERS and REMIXES of existing songs are accepted if you have permission from the original artist or the original song is public domain

Be careful what you flag, most of these pass. the phonic stuff is under determination, but anything from MORGENSHTERN is public domain so if the mods call you on your incorrect flags, then you will receive HEAVY negative whistle points.

It's just that the MORGENSHTERN artist does not upload his music for free, but sells it on music venues.

prove the copyright, digital busking does not equal copyright ownership

Cadillac - https://youtu.be/bzkYsiKtRIw
Dulo- https://youtu.be/zJODMh2cULg

At 2/15/23 05:22 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 05:13 PM, g2961 wrote:More experience? This track is also copyrighted. Under each YouTube video with this track, it is indicated what kind of track it is. This means that the song is copyrighted.

Songwriters sometimes make it so that there are no copyrights under their clip, but they are under other videos. Here is an example https://youtu.be/6GCng7cjJ7M

At 2/15/23 05:25 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 05:19 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:46 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:45 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 03:43 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 01:20 PM, g2961 wrote:And these are remixes of "Morgenstern" tracks or stolen songs, mashups.
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1056887
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1045222
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1063614
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1097361
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1086724
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1109487
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1084206
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1169999
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1087592
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1101929
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1089791
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1114269
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1157881
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1161223
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1078713
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1176035
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1062215
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1111742
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1072796
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1144836

COVERS and REMIXES of existing songs are accepted if you have permission from the original artist or the original song is public domain

Be careful what you flag, most of these pass. the phonic stuff is under determination, but anything from MORGENSHTERN is public domain so if the mods call you on your incorrect flags, then you will receive HEAVY negative whistle points.

It's just that the MORGENSHTERN artist does not upload his music for free, but sells it on music venues.

prove the copyright, digital busking does not equal copyright ownership

Cadillac - https://youtu.be/bzkYsiKtRIw
Dulo- https://youtu.be/zJODMh2cULg

Another example, only with MORGENSHTERN - DULO.
https://youtu.be/WK5CbMXgAvA

At 2/15/23 05:27 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 05:25 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 05:19 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:46 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 04:45 PM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/15/23 03:43 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 01:20 PM, g2961 wrote:And these are remixes of "Morgenstern" tracks or stolen songs, mashups.
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1056887
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1045222
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1063614
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1097361
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1086724
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1109487
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1084206
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1169999
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1087592
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1101929
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1089791
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1114269
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1157881
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1161223
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1078713
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1176035
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1062215
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1111742
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1072796
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1144836

COVERS and REMIXES of existing songs are accepted if you havepermission from the original artist or the original song is public domain

Be careful what you flag, most of these pass. the phonic stuff is under determination, but anything from MORGENSHTERN is public domain so if the mods call you on your incorrect flags, then you will receive HEAVY negative whistle points.

It's just that the MORGENSHTERN artist does not upload his music for free, but sells it on music venues.

prove the copyright, digital busking does not equal copyright ownership

Cadillac - https://youtu.be/bzkYsiKtRIw
Dulo- https://youtu.be/zJODMh2cULg

Another example, only with MORGENSHTERN - DULO.
https://youtu.be/WK5CbMXgAvA

@tox the same example

At 2/15/23 05:50 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 05:31 PM, g2961 wrote:Can you feel heart remix is an illegally uploaded track
https://youtu.be/QJJYpsA5tv8

my dude... you need to slow down if you want my input, i need time to read individual items, research them, and then reply to them. it's not a race, I'm not as invested in this as you are at this time.

if you want I can go into the audio portal, find an uploaded song that breaks the rules and then show you how i would report it here so that it is easy for reference material for people down the line...

COVERS and REMIXES of existing songs are accepted if you have permission from the original artist or the original song is public domain. We can not accept covers of songs you've heard on the radio or anything else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJJYpsA5tv8&ab_channel=BMTHOfficialVEVO
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1190957
this one would be somewhat difficult to determine and in many occurrences, this would then pass because we have to assess the originality of the piece. If I take the lyrics and then break them up to make them more of an instrument rather than a message of what the singer is trying to convey then the original intent of they lyrics is kinda lost. a mod will likely allow this one to pass as a result

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/553656
this one is FAR more likely to be removed as the lyrics are intact, and the drums have been altered only minorly.
but this would go to a od for a determination as there are sections of the uploaded content that have been far more modified than the rest

the rule that you would call each on would be the covers and remixes rule or the

Newgrounds is a place to share your own original works

if you click into the audio track in question and click on the flag icon and see your original written flagged report, then a mod has not reviewed the flag yet and the flag itself is still pending. if you do not see any writing, then the report has been closed and you may have received false flag/whistle points as a determination was made that the uploaded audio did not break the rules

At 2/15/23 06:04 PM, g2961 wrote:@tox https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1190957
I just found out that maybe this remix can just be re-uploaded from this video.
It's just that there is no reference to the NG of this remixer in the description. And his nickname is different. If it was his account, then in addition to this remix, he could have posted his other works.
And it's also suspicious that 2 days later he posted this remix, as if this account was created specifically to simply re-upload this remix.
https://youtu.be/t7U6IIQ0oQ4

At 2/15/23 07:38 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/15/23 06:04 PM, g2961 wrote:@tox https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1190957
I just found out that maybe this remix can just be re-uploaded from this video.
It's just that there is no reference to the NG of this remixer in the description. And his nickname is different. If it was his account, then in addition to this remix, he could have posted his other works.
And it's also suspicious that 2 days later he posted this remix, as if this account was created specifically to simply re-upload this remix.
https://youtu.be/t7U6IIQ0oQ4

if the original video that is being used is copyrighted, and the first flagged entry is removed under the use of the copyrighted audio, any subsequent items that use the same audio or similar audio, uploaded or downloaded from any source, are also subject to removal. it's not a promise that they will be removed, but it's a good bet that if one song is similar to the next, and one gets removed, the next will be too

however... all audio is subject to its own examination and determination. we HAVE to be fair in that process

submissions need to clearly break the rules to be flagged, and a determination needs to be done by a mod where a piece is bending a rule

flag in good faith... always flag in good faith

At 2/16/23 05:43 AM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/16/23 02:56 AM, Seth wrote:Looking at the author comments, I'm unsure about the ownership of this
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1164026
I'm hoping someone who can provide some insight sees this.

it seems to be a 1:1 recreation of this
https://youtu.be/NS8DPG62Fto

also found this video crediting vitchrose for the "remix"
https://youtu.be/ygMNaN9kGw8

in Triexus only post they don't mention vitchrose being a part of their music group and vitchrose's ng account isn't scouted, so it's very likely that vitchrose asked triexus to upload the track to their account so that it can be used in gd.

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

in Triexus only post they don't mention vitchrose being a part of their music group and vitchrose's ng account isn't scouted, so it's very likely that vitchrose asked triexus to upload the track to their account so that it can be used in gd.

No, you misunderstood. There is such a game Geometry Dash, and they build different levels in it, and this is not an audio collage, but a collaboration of individual parts of the levels that are made by different creators. These people did not create a remix or an original track, the video uses a track that was written by one person, not 7-9 musicians.

At 2/21/23 07:43 PM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

in Triexus only post they don't mention vitchrose being a part of their music group and vitchrose's ng account isn't scouted, so it's very likely that vitchrose asked triexus to upload the track to their account so that it can be used in gd.

No, you misunderstood. There is such a game Geometry Dash, and they build different levels in it, and this is not an audio collage, but a collaboration of individual parts of the levels that are made by different creators. These people did not create a remix or an original track, the video uses a track that was written by one person, not 7-9 musicians.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say... I think you meant to reply to @tox 's post. Make sure you don't delete the "At mm/dd/yy hh:mm PM, username wrote:" in your reply, otherwise whoever you're replying to won't get notified.

By the way, even the remix itself has copyrights, this can be noticed at the TROLLMACHINE level display under the description where the original musician and track were written.

The video that showcases the gd level collab is actually using the original track, not the remake.

Btw, I did flag the upload we're talking about but seeing that it hasn't been removed yet makes me think I might've lost a couple whistle points.. :c

At 2/21/23 07:43 PM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

in Triexus only post they don't mention vitchrose being a part of their music group and vitchrose's ng account isn't scouted, so it's very likely that vitchrose asked triexus to upload the track to their account so that it can be used in gd.

No, you misunderstood. There is such a game Geometry Dash, and they build different levels in it, and this is not an audio collage, but a collaboration of individual parts of the levels that are made by different creators. These people did not create a remix or an original track, the video uses a track that was written by one person, not 7-9 musicians.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say... I think you meant to reply to @tox 's post. Make sure you don't delete the "At mm/dd/yy hh:mm PM, username wrote:" in your reply, otherwise whoever you're replying to won't get notified.

By the way, even the remix itself has copyrights, this can be noticed at the TROLLMACHINE level display under the description where the original musician and track were written.

The video that showcases the gd level collab is actually using the original track, not the remake.

Btw, I did flag the upload we're talking about but seeing that it hasn't been removed yet makes me think I might've lost a couple whistle points.. :c

At 2/21/23 07:43 PM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

in Triexus only post they don't mention vitchrose being a part of their music group and vitchrose's ng account isn't scouted, so it's very likely that vitchrose asked triexus to upload the track to their account so that it can be used in gd.

No, you misunderstood. There is such a game Geometry Dash, and they build different levels in it, and this is not an audio collage, but a collaboration of individual parts of the levels that are made by different creators. These people did not create a remix or an original track, the video uses a track that was written by one person, not 7-9 musicians.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say... I think you meant to reply to @tox 's post. Make sure you don't delete the "At mm/dd/yy hh:mm PM, username wrote:" in your reply, otherwise whoever you're replying to won't get notified.

By the way, even the remix itself has copyrights, this can be noticed at the TROLLMACHINE level display under the description where the original musician and track were written.

The video that showcases the gd level collab is actually using the original track, not the remake.

Btw, I did flag the upload we're talking about but seeing that it hasn't been removed yet makes me think I might've lost a couple whistle points.. :c

At 2/22/23 04:21 AM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/21/23 07:43 PM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

Btw, I did flag the upload we're talking about but seeing that it hasn't been removed yet makes me think I might've lost a couple whistle points.. :c

And where to see these points?

At 2/22/23 09:26 AM, tox wrote:

At 2/22/23 04:21 AM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/21/23 07:43 PM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

Btw, I did flag the upload we're talking about but seeing that it hasn't been removed yet makes me think I might've lost a couple whistle points.. :c

And where to see these points?

the point numbers are hidden from view, they are a cumulative score on how you do on your flagging
you see how people have gold, or silver or deity whistle status? and then equally normal and garbage whistle status?
just the same as you can go up in whistle rank, you can also go back down in whistle rank

with enough correct flags, you will upgrade your whistle rank, if you incorrectly flag items you will see your own whistle rank go from normal to garbage

the way to tell that your flags are not accepted is that if you post a piece in the audio cleanup thread and a few days later you see the same post up and the items that you have flagged are not removed, then the flagging that you gave the piece was not accepted. hence a false flag

it is then up in the air on IF the mod that reviewed your flag saw that you were being kind and trying your best to defend newgrounds, or if you are just flagging things absent-mindedly.

honest flags usually get dismissed and closed and no negative points are given

being an asshole and flagging things incorrectly again and again... and again... gets you a negative point rating

1 bad flag does not equal 1 good flag

we cant pin down the number but on average a bad flag equals somewhere between 2-5 positive flag points

At 2/22/23 03:05 PM, tox wrote:

At 2/22/23 04:21 AM, g2961 wrote:

At 2/21/23 07:43 PM, Leavesz wrote:

At 2/21/23 05:11 PM, g2961 wrote:

And where to see these points?

This is why I was cringing so hard a few days ago for you and trying to get you to stop, never want to see anyone get smacked down for trying to do a good job like what you were doing on page 166 and 167...
It's just that none of those flags were accepted and I HOPE that the mod that reviewed your flags was kind on your newbie status and just closed the flag reports without smacking your whistle points down

If you were taken to task on those flags you would probably be REALLY really close to passing into the next lower grade downward :(