Iron Fist, my love, how a band dresses has no bearing on whether they're metal or not. Just because Machine Head choose to dress like wiggers/nu-metal kiddos doesn't mean that's what they play.

<3

At 4/10/06 10:43 AM, deurwaarder wrote: NU METAL:
The hero arrives in a shabby Honda Civic, trys to fight the dragon but his gay baggy-pants catch fire and he dies.

I'd say the hero arrives with his "dogs", raps a bit about how his ni***s got his back and how he will rock the homies tonite. Then he caps the dragon and rides to the sunset with the princess on skateboards.

At 4/10/06 12:55 PM, CowsCanBark wrote: Iron Fist, my love, how a band dresses has no bearing on whether they're metal or not. Just because Machine Head choose to dress like wiggers/nu-metal kiddos doesn't mean that's what they play.

<3

uhm

but they do play shitty nu metal :/

At 4/10/06 05:07 PM, duffeknol wrote: uhm

but they do play shitty nu metal :/

Well, their first album wasn't quite nu-metal. Their recent one is not too nu-metallish either. I don't like them, though.

At 4/10/06 05:07 PM, duffeknol wrote:

At 4/10/06 12:55 PM, CowsCanBark wrote:

uhm

but they do play shitty nu metal :/

Not anymore. Their last release was solid groove metal, as well as their first two releases. However, the releases in between I agree on being pretty nu-metal with metal influence.

At 4/10/06 05:39 PM, Goatchrist wrote:

At 4/10/06 05:07 PM, duffeknol wrote: uhm

but they do play shitty nu metal :/

Well, their first album wasn't quite nu-metal. Their recent one is not too nu-metallish either. I don't like them, though.

weird, at Wacken they were all announced as the 'big nu metal act'... they sucked of course

At 4/10/06 05:40 PM, duffeknol wrote: weird, at Wacken they were all announced as the 'big nu metal act'... they sucked of course

Well, the majority of their career is NU metal.

At 4/10/06 05:51 PM, Goatchrist wrote:

At 4/10/06 05:40 PM, duffeknol wrote: weird, at Wacken they were all announced as the 'big nu metal act'... they sucked of course

Well, the majority of their career is NU metal.

can't we just call the band nu metal and get it over with? Just for convenience? :)

At 4/10/06 05:56 PM, duffeknol wrote: can't we just call the band nu metal and get it over with? Just for convenience? :)

Wouldn't be fair :) they are groove metal, post-pantera with SOME nu influences nowadays.

At 4/10/06 10:43 AM, deurwaarder wrote: [b]i thought you guys would like this. i did not make it but took it from here: http://www.last.fm/u..al/2006/03/20/99842/


enjoy
[/b]

I found this at another forum and translated it from German to English:


GORE METAL:
The hero arrives, kills the dragon and spreads his bowels all around the castle. Then he fucks the princess, kills her and fucks her corpse again, slices her stomach and eats her bowels and fucks her again.

Couldnt have been funier lol. That sounds exactly like any Cannibal Corpse shit. loll

NU METAL:
The hero arrives in a shabby Honda Civic, trys to fight the dragon but his gay baggy-pants catch fire and he dies.

That ones the best lol.

At 4/9/06 11:29 PM, CowsCanBark wrote:

At 4/9/06 10:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Are there any Gothenburg Metal bands other than Arche Enemy and In Flames that are at least as good as them that you guys could name me?

Soilwork's old stuff and ALL of Dark Tranquillity's stuff. Also, The Haunted have that gothenburg sound to them.

Already have some stuff by Soilwork if your talking about albums like Natural Born Chaos. I'm planing to buy some cd's of Dark Tranquillity and maybe The Haunted because you told me about it ;P

HeavenDuff: For shame! I am the Dark Tranquillity authority/major lover. Get the Gallery (old) or Character (new), they are some of the best albums I own (both 10/10), and branch off from there.

All this fighting. Well, no one has to worry about the Hell being to "Kvlt" anymore...

At 4/10/06 10:19 AM, Iron_Fist wrote: Regardless, it's still proof positive that not every band in the archives is metal.

Bitch, bitch, bitch.
Quit complaining....

At 4/10/06 10:43 AM, -Nev- wrote:

At 4/10/06 10:31 AM, Iron_Fist wrote: Being open-minded doesn't mean liking crappy music.

Yes but you can be open-minded and accept other peoples tastes too.

At 4/10/06 10:37 AM, Iron_Fist wrote: I found that wigger picture of Rob Flynn.
http://www.angelfire..ad/images/robtat.jpg

Didn't work, it came up with a gay Angelfire thingy.

http://www.angelfire..rock/mhead/pics.html

. Rob pics 1 and 4 are so wiggerish it hurts. Also, he was calling Machine Head and Slipknot metal. Forget musical taste, that's just factually wrong. "They're heavy, yet they're metal so they're heavy metal". Give me a break.

At 4/10/06 10:54 AM, RageOfOrder wrote:

At 4/8/06 11:27 PM, Iron_Fist wrote:

Wrong. Other than Megadeth, Slayer and Dream Theater, that list is pure shit.

Says you. What makes those bands so much better?

They're technically more proficient, have better riffs, don't suck,.....

Who the hell listens to Machine Head? They're the worst band ever, only wiggers and douche bags like them.

They may not be the best band but they have their place, as does every other metal band.

Yeah. The trash can along with all the other nu-metal crap bands. You people have never heard of Vio-lence, have you?

Also, I guess someone forgot to tell you that all of the bands on your list are pop music. Pop = popular, and all the bands listed are huge right now.

Slayer and Megadeth for sure are more popular than ANYONE else on that list. What does it matter if a band is popular? This is like your ALL NU-METAL SUCKS frame of mind isn't it. Anything that has fans MUST suck. I mean.. obviously!

I never said that. I like a lot of popular music. I was simply saying that he was contradicting himself, because he said he didn't like pop music. I can see how you might have misunderstood me there though.

Piss off kid, you're about as metal as a piece of cardboard.

Then perhaps give him a hint as to how he should go about being "more metal than a piece of cardboard" instead of just telling him to fuck off..

I'd rather not. There are enough idiots who listen to metal to begin with.

At 4/10/06 09:57 AM, Iron_Fist wrote:

Excuse me? Where did I say that I listen to goregrind?

Doesn't matter, I used it randomly as an example of an obscure genre with fewer known fans, which seems to be your preference.

There you go again, assuming you know something about me which you don't. I listen to maybe 4 or 5 goregrind bands and that's about it. In fact, I think the majority of the genre is boring.

As far as I'm concerned, most grindcore sucks.

I'll agree but I don't bash the genre or tell people they aren't metal because they might like it.

I didn't say that either. Grindcore is as legitimate as any other type of music. You don't seem to understand that there's a difference between having a personal preference and knowing when music sucks. Grindcore, while not my cup of tea, still has some musical merit and quality to it. Machine Head and Slipknot on the other hand, just plain suck.

I didn't say that I don't listen to In Flames because they're big. I don't listen to them because they suck.

Your last post looks to me like you won't listen to them because " the bands on your list are pop music. Pop = popular, and all the bands listed are huge right now".
If you didn't have a problem with bands being popular why say that?

I guess this is another problem stemming from the first misunderstanding. I have no problem with pop music. I have a problem with bad music.

I also never said anything about how obscure bands are better.

Yes you fucking did

Where?

If you're going to counter my argument, at least counter my actual argument rather than make something up, k? <3

Besides goregrind, which could easily be replaced with your favorite genre, I said nothing that was untrue.

Yes, you definitely did. Have you ever heard of a strawman argument? It's where you take someone else's argument, turn it into an easily defeatable bastardization of its original form, and present that as their argument. It doesn't work on someone with more than half a brain.

If you have listened to these other genres and still decided they suck, that's fine, but don't go casting out everyone else who likes them.
Your opinion is not the only opinion.

Again, there's a difference between opinions and facts. I could say that the Earth is flat. It might be my opinion, but it's just plain wrong, no two ways about it. Saying that Machine Head and Slipknot are metal is just wrong. Sorry kiddo, but you're wrong. I've had more challenging arguments with my 13 year old brother.

At 4/10/06 08:01 PM, Suudsu wrote:

At 4/10/06 10:19 AM, Iron_Fist wrote: Regardless, it's still proof positive that not every band in the archives is metal.

Bitch, bitch, bitch.
Quit complaining....

I'm not complaining you dolt. I'm proving a point. Funny how you have no problem trying to argue against me, but as soon as I prove you wrong, you try to insult me. Pathetic.

Machine Head's first album is post-thrash metal. It qualifies, I know, I own it and like it. The rest of thier catalog is questionable, so I understand the "not-metal" stigma.

However, I think both the arguments here are pointless. Who cares if Machine Head is good or bad? Its not like the survival of the human race is based on the outcome. This is another genre battle, like 10000 others we have in this thread.

Everyone is constantly trying to define what metal is (in its many forms), but I argue that a concrete definition to stand all time does not exist yet. Until then, it is a subjective decision, and popular consensus amongst the high-ranking members of this club say that Slayer, Machine Head, Iron Maiden, Burzum, Disemboweled, and In Flames are all metal. The petty disagreements should stop. Non-metal bands are obvious (SOAD, KORN, etc.), and those less obvious (borderline bands like Lamb of God, Trivium etc. Most mallcore bands fall into this category) will be decided on an individual basis. The only time it should matter is when inducting a new member, which will also be on an individual basis. Otherwise, its only a matter of personal opinion, and should be left at that.

To the RATM idiot: STOP SPAMMING

At 4/10/06 01:53 AM, RageOfOrder wrote: Read back one page. I explained it there I think.
Long story short, I've been online constantly, but everywhere except here :)

Also: I missed you that much ;D

ah so you have been around. but not really. only half because most of the people in ng chat are zombies.

i missed you too dude. were getting all emotional. i think im going to cry...

e-cry that is...

anyways its good to have an oldie back again.

www.metal-archives.com Every band (except for the related electronica projects) on that site is metal. End. Of. Story. Now will all the flame wars end?

Iron Fist, of course we've heard of Vio-lence. (Atleast I hope we have) Everything they've released is amazing, especially Eternal Nightmare.

At 4/10/06 10:43 AM, deurwaarder wrote: [b]i thought you guys would like this. i did not make it but took it from here: http://www.last.fm/u..al/2006/03/20/99842/


enjoy
[/b]

I found this at another forum and translated it from German to English:

An evil dragon has kidnapped a beautiful princess and locked her into the dungeon of his castle. Now it is described how metalheads of the different metal subgenres would rescue the princess as "hero" of the story.

POWER METAL:
The hero rides to the castle on a white unicorn, defeats the dragon in an epic battle in a storm on the edge of a huge cliff.
Then he rescues the princess and both make love in a magic forest.

THRASH METAL:
The hero walks by, kills the dragon, rescues the princess and fucks her.

HEAVY METAL:
The hero comes riding on a harley, kills the dragon, drinks some beer and fucks the princess.

FOLK METAL:
The hero arrives with some mates who play flute, violin, accordion and some other instruments. They're having a party with lots of beer and mead and make the dragon sleep with their music and with dancing. Then hey leave again ... without the princess.

VIKING METAL:
The hero arrives in a dragonship, kills the dragon with his mighty greataxe, moults him, rapes the princess to death, steals her possesion and burns the castle before he leaves.

DEATH METAL:
The hero arrives, kills the dragon, fucks the princess, kills her and leaves.

BLACK METAL:
The hero arrives at midnight, kills the dragon and spears him in front of the castle. Then he rapes the princess, drinks her blood in an unholy ritualm, then kills her and spears her next to the dragon.

GORE METAL:
The hero arrives, kills the dragon and spreads his bowels all around the castle. Then he fucks the princess, kills her and fucks her corpse again, slices her stomach and eats her bowels and fucks her again.

DOOM METAL:
The hero arrives. He sees how big the dragon is and thinks he will never be able to kill him. He falls into a deep depression and commits suicide. The dragon eats him and the princess.

PROGRESSIV METAL:
The hero arrives with a guitar and play a 26 minutes solo!
The dragon commits suicide cuz he is so bored.
The hero enters the chamber of the beautiful princess and plays another solo in which all his technical ability, which he has perfected during the last years at his music school. The princess runs away and looks for the heavy metal hero.

GLAM METAL:
The hero arrives and the dragon laughs himself to death. The hero steals the princess' make-up and decides to paint the castle pink.

NU METAL:
The hero arrives in a shabby Honda Civic, trys to fight the dragon but his gay baggy-pants catch fire and he dies.

GRINDCORE:
The hero arrives, grunting and growling something unidentifiable and leaves after one minute.

NSBM:
The aryan hero arrives yelling 14/88 and looks for the princess. He sends the jewish dragon to a concentration camp. The dragon contacts Israel and the hero is convicted under crimes of racism.

TR00 KVLT BLACK METAL:
The hero doesn't show cuz he doesn't want to fight the dragon.

CHRISTIAN/WHITE METAL:
The hero prays to god that he will take away this satanic creature. then he tells the princess that they can't have sex before they're married.

FUN/HAPPY METAL:
The hero shouts "I am the protector of all nonsense! But ONLY of nonsense!" The dragon kills the hero and the princess laughs her ass off.

I have a similar comparison:

A dude finds a woman without a ride and she's drunk.

Power metal:

The man mounts himself and the woman on his sterling horse with a golden saddle, drinks an ale, and lets his blond hair glow, even in the night, and rides home and slays all enemies in his way.

Thrash metal:

Drunk women? Awesome. Let's hope she doesn't have crabs or beef curtains.
GANG RAPE!

Heavy metal:

Ugh. Fuck her and leave.

Folk metal:

LET'S PUMP SOME MORE ALE IN HER!! You can never drink enough. Lets go to a forest and drink ale.

Viking metal:

Serves the woman right. She got herself drunk. A man of my honor won't shame myself by dragging her home.

Death metal:

KILL!!!! MUST! KILL! WOMAN!!!!!!! First, sex.

Black metal:

I shall wander the night with my mistress of the darkness. Fear me! I shall kill her, though.

Gore metal:

I'll kill her, but I'll torture her, too.

Doom metal:

She's having too much fun. I won't contaminate myself with her happiness.

Progressive metal:

She's an idiot if she got herself drunk. I'm gonna leave her there. A man of my intelligence deserves better.

Glam metal:

Damn! Even when she's drunk, she won't fuck me!

Numetal:

I'd take her home, but I can't walk fast enough. My pants keep on falling down.

Grindcore:

I can't hang around here long enough to do anything. [incoherent grunts]

NSBM:

She's a jew. Fuck that. I ain't touching her unless she's blond and blue eyed.

Tr00 kvlt bl4ck metal:

You don't see me. I am too blackened to see. I shall steal her and perform satanic rituals on her.

Christian metal:

Getting drunk is unchristian. I will not help sinners.

Fun/happy metal:

Being stranded isn't metal. Let her die, I won't fight for anything that isn't metal!

At 4/11/06 01:07 AM, CowsCanBark wrote: Iron Fist, of course we've heard of Vio-lence. (Atleast I hope we have) Everything they've released is amazing, especially Eternal Nightmare.

I guess Iron_Fist was referring to Rob Flynn, Vio-Lence being his ex-band and starting with Groove/Nu-Metal acr Machine Head.

At 4/11/06 01:41 AM, The_Ghoul wrote: Fun/happy metal:

Being stranded isn't metal. Let her die, I won't fight for anything that isn't metal!

What the hell is happy metal? I've never heard that term before.

At 4/10/06 09:04 PM, kingdog3_34 wrote: you think this is ugly wait till you see more

Dude that thing looks like something id find in my shit lol.

At 4/11/06 10:48 AM, Iron_Fist wrote:

At 4/11/06 01:41 AM, The_Ghoul wrote: Fun/happy metal:

Being stranded isn't metal. Let her die, I won't fight for anything that isn't metal!

What the hell is happy metal? I've never heard that term before.

Zimmers Hole, Crotchduster I guess

or Children of Bodom, but they just sound gay :P

At 4/11/06 12:12 PM, duffeknol wrote: or Children of Bodom, but they just sound gay :P

I actually agree with you :P Seriously, their newest album is such an abomination :) (I don't like anything else but their song "Black Widow" nowadays).

I think Children Of Bodom's first three albums (especially Hatebreeder) are amazing. Hatecrew Deathroll was okay, and Are You Dead Yet? isn't incredibly bad, but it's pretty sucky. =P

I ahve CoB's all CD's. I can say,that all albums are good,except the latest,but I still like the band,an' I'll listen are You Dead Yet? cuz that ain't so bad.

Did anybody else realize that the intro riff from "In Your Face" is directly stolen from the Godsmack song called "Awake" ?

At 4/11/06 01:31 PM, Goatchrist wrote: Did anybody else realize that the intro riff from "In Your Face" is directly stolen from the Godsmack song called "Awake" ?

I didn't. Thanks for advice...