At 1/23/14 06:34 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Any suggestions for good thrash, doom, and folk metal?

For thrash I'll go with Sense on bands like Morbid Saint, Sodom, Watchtower and Municipal Waste. These are all great! As for doom metal, I've just asked for recommendations on the genre. My personal favorites are Electric Wizard, Bongripper, Reverend Bizarre and Black Sabbath.

At 1/23/14 06:34 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Any suggestions for good thrash, doom, and folk metal?

I'll go with what I said on the previous page and add some.
It's alphabetical except the first one. The reason being is that their latest album Soma was one of my Top 5 favorite albums of the year last year.

Windhand
Acid King
Acrimony
Ahab
Atolah
Behold! The Monolith
Bell Witch
Black Land
Black Pyramid
Blood Ceremony
Bong
Buried Sleeper
Church Of Misery
Cirith Ungol
Conan
Cough
Dark Buddha Rising
Dresden/Leningrad
Electric Wizard
Egypt
Flummox
From Beyond
The Gates Of Slumber
Giza
High On Fire
High Priest Of Saturn
Holly Hunt
Ice Dragon
Iron Mtn
Jex Thoth
Krownn
Lord Of Doubts
Lord Vicar
Megasus
Moonless
Moss
Mudbath
Nixa
Norska
The Obsessed
Ocean Towers
Ogre
Orchid
Pallbearer
Pentagram
Premonition 13
Ramesses
Reverend Bizarre
Saint Vitus
Saturnalia Temple
Sea Bastard
Set
Shrinebuilder
Sleep
Slomatics
Snailking
Solitude Aeturnus
Spacefog
Spirit Caravan
Stone Axe
Suma (especially Suma or Let The Churches Burn)
The Sword
Trouble
Ufomammut
Uncle Acid & The Deadbeats
Vulgaari
Wall Of Sleep
Wandering Midget
Witch
Witchfinder General
YOB

For Folk Metal I only have Falkenbach and Korpiklaani on my computer at the moment.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've heard a handful from both lists, but there's a lot in there I have to check out.(definitely glad you reminded me of Skeleton Witch and Acid King, tho as I almost forgot about those)

Oh, and for folk metal I just discovered these two great bands: Cruachan(celtic metal, though soundwise it really is a mix of black-metal, and folk-metal, the only difference being it has a predominantly Irish/scottish folk sound to it), and Skyclad.(folk/thrash metal, again with a celtic/english folk sound and classical music entertwined)

Doesn't seem to be much interaction on this page at the moment, mildly disconcerting.

At 1/30/14 02:06 AM, twistex wrote: Doesn't seem to be much interaction on this page at the moment, mildly disconcerting.

Yeah I know what you mean.
Wish there were more people talking on here.....

I present you with, Metal Albums with Googly Eyes!
http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/metal-albums-with-googly-eyes-is-the-best-thing-youll-see-today

At 1/30/14 03:34 PM, Viper50 wrote: I present you with, Metal Albums with Googly Eyes!
http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/metal-albums-with-googly-eyes-is-the-best-thing-youll-see-today

The Mayhem one is particularly good.

At 1/30/14 03:41 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 1/30/14 03:34 PM, Viper50 wrote: I present you with, Metal Albums with Googly Eyes!
http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/metal-albums-with-googly-eyes-is-the-best-thing-youll-see-today

The Mayhem one is particularly good.

Somehow it manages to be more disturbing then the original...

Listening to Agalloch right now. Atmospheric, dark, airy. Me LIKEY!

At 1/30/14 06:08 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Listening to Agalloch right now. Atmospheric, dark, airy. Me LIKEY!

Overdue. They're amazing.

At 1/30/14 06:08 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Listening to Agalloch right now. Atmospheric, dark, airy. Me LIKEY!

They are legendary! These guys are genuinely creative and outstanding. What albums have you listened to?

At 1/30/14 06:36 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 1/30/14 06:08 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Listening to Agalloch right now. Atmospheric, dark, airy. Me LIKEY!

They are legendary! These guys are genuinely creative and outstanding. What albums have you listened to?

Eh, just stuff off of youtube to be honest. I've been listening to them inbetween classes.

I'm thinking I might buy one of their albums, though, so what might you suggest?

At 1/30/14 06:49 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/30/14 06:36 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 1/30/14 06:08 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Listening to Agalloch right now. Atmospheric, dark, airy. Me LIKEY!

They are legendary! These guys are genuinely creative and outstanding. What albums have you listened to?

Eh, just stuff off of youtube to be honest. I've been listening to them inbetween classes.

I'm thinking I might buy one of their albums, though, so what might you suggest?

Actually, I guess the album I was listening to was called "The Mantle"? But it was on youtube, so yea.

At 1/30/14 06:50 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/30/14 06:49 PM, WallofYawn wrote:
I'm thinking I might buy one of their albums, though, so what might you suggest?

Actually, I guess the album I was listening to was called "The Mantle"? But it was on youtube, so yea.

Not meaning to be a fanboy here, but pretty much everything they did is amazing. I'll recommend the full-lengths before the EPs though. The EPs are all conceptual albums focusing on very specific aesthetics and ideas while the full-lengths are more diversified and showing countless influences and huge diversity in terms of genres used and combined to create the tracks. Also, even if Marrow of the Spirit is a great album, I like the other three better. Ashes Against The Grain is a very interesting album to move to if you listened to The Mantle. In a sense, it takes the core of the album and focuses on the darker and heavier (plus the drone and doom elements are more present here) elements of the genre. In this way, it's less experimental and less "all over the place" then The Mantle, but it seems more focused. The Mantle wanders around gothic rock, experimental and psychedelic rock, post-rock, post-metal, doom metal, neofolk, black metal and more. In the end, I see it as the more experimental and more "edgy" if that makes sense... Not that AATG is uncreative or that it's not experimenting, but compared to The Mantle, it focuses on a few genres more, and the same aesthetics can be found throughout the whole album.

Maybe Sense will disagree here, but it's nice if he does, I'd like to know what he thinks about it two.

So... go for Ashes Against The Grain next, it's amazing !!!

The Mantle is my favorite by them. Ashes Against the Grain is my second favorite (especially Falling Snow). Though Birch Black is one of my favorite songs of theirs, which is from their EP, the White. All of their stuff is great, though.

Thanks guys for the suggestions. I will definitely check out Ashes next. I don't mind experimental, though, and speaking of which:

Mr. Bungle,
John Zorn,
Melt Bannana,
Converge,
The Dillinger Escape Plan,
Celtic Frost,
Boris,
Isis

Just to name a few, in case you haven't heard any of these, go ahead and check em out. Really great stuff.

At 1/30/14 07:40 PM, WallofYawn wrote: I don't mind experimental, though, and speaking of which:

If you're interested in avant-garde metal, I recently recommended some artists to someone here.

At 1/30/14 07:40 PM, WallofYawn wrote: John Zorn,
Just to name a few, in case you haven't heard any of these, go ahead and check em out. Really great stuff.

Out of all the ones you listed, this is the only one I didn't know.

Boris,

I missed getting to see them last year :/

At 1/30/14 08:03 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: If you're interested in avant-garde metal, I recently recommended some artists to someone here.

Didn't know Fantomas and Oranssi Pazuzu were Avant-Garde Metal. Just thought they were some type of Metal I couldn't really classify all that well.

I was just thinking about this, and I was wondering what are the first few bands that originally got you into metal (doesn't have to be a metal band).

For me, I think it would go something like this:

Kalmah
Edguy
Children Of Bodom
Slipknot
Iron Maiden
Finntroll
Megadeth

That was back in 2004, when I was 15 years old.

At 1/30/14 07:40 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Boris

Boris is an amazing band. Such musicianship within this band. I hope you've heard their collaborative work with Sunn O))) on the album Altar, it's pure bliss. It just holds everything good about both bands in one massive album.

Isis

Isis are great. I've missed them on their last show ever in Montreal. Somehow they didn't knew that June 24th is Quebec's national day... What a shame that I missed that show...

Kalmah - Moon of My Nights

One of my first "gateway" bands before I started listening to metal was Korn. I got Follow the Leader when I was nine and listened to it a lot. My first metal album was Cowboys from Hell, which I got when I was around 11, I think. But I still hardly listened to metal beside that then. Instead, I had the Crow soundtrack, which I played endlessly along with that and still Follow the Leader. The Badge by Pantera was on that soundtrack, which is what led me to get Cowboys. From junior high through the early part of high school, I got into Slipknot, Disturbed, Flaw, Static-X, Coal Chamber, Mudvayne, Godsmack and stuff like that. The only other metal band besides Pantera I was really into then was Fear Factory. The rest was pretty much your gateway pseudo-metal type stuff.

But from maybe like age 15, I guess, I started listening to more metal. I quickly fell in love with Megadeth, Symphony X and Dream Theater. And soon after, I became obsessed with Helloween and around that same time, I bought Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime and kept playing that album over and over for days (still one of my favorite albums today). I think by that time I was into a handful of Black Sabbath and Dio songs. I started getting mostly into power metal and progressive metal after that. I was huge into power metal for a little while, which I hardly listen to now. And I mostly didn't like metal with harsh vocals at the time. I remember me and Nev being the "powerfags" here. By the time I was reaching the end of my senior year, I knew a great deal about metal. I also went through a phase of rejecting most of the nu-metal and stuff I had listened to before then and gave away all those CDs. Guess I was trying to "mature". Silly kid. I still look up some of that stuff on YouTube sometimes when I feel nostalgic, along with some of the rap I listened to. The Crow soundtack I still listen to just because it's really a good album. I never got rid of it.

At 1/30/14 08:14 PM, Viper50 wrote:

At 1/30/14 08:03 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: If you're interested in avant-garde metal, I recently recommended some artists to someone here.

Didn't know Fantomas and Oranssi Pazuzu were Avant-Garde Metal. Just thought they were some type of Metal I couldn't really classify all that well.

Fantomas is definitely very much avant-garde metal. Perhaps Oranssi Pazuzu might not quite be, but I still think they fit in with some of the kinds of bands that get included. If you like Ved Buens Ende, Fleurety, and Smile Carved Sour, they're probably a safe bet.

At 1/30/14 08:14 PM, Viper50 wrote:

John Zorn,

Out of all the ones you listed, this is the only one I didn't know.

He's a saxophonist as far as I know. He's had guest work with Mr. Bungle. He also had that project, Naked City, but I haven't really checked it out. I can't remember who suggested them a while back. Might have been Bruce. I probably should have taken a look.

At 1/31/14 10:49 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 1/30/14 08:14 PM, Viper50 wrote:

John Zorn,

Out of all the ones you listed, this is the only one I didn't know.

He's a saxophonist as far as I know. He's had guest work with Mr. Bungle. He also had that project, Naked City, but I haven't really checked it out. I can't remember who suggested them a while back. Might have been Bruce. I probably should have taken a look.

Naked City is fantastic. Although I guess he isn't always metal. More like he melds harsh and dissonant sounds and distortion into the realm of chaotic and frenetic free-jazz. Naked City is also includes often collaborations with other experimental artists, including Mike Patton, but one of the most featured is Yamantaka Eye, a japanese noise/metal artist best known for his screaming vocals which remind one of howler monkeys.

Also, to expand on avant-garde list, here's some more:

Alcest,
Diablo Swing Orchestra,
Aarni,
Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum,
Bethlehem,
In the Woods,
Ved Buenes End,
Burzum(later stuff),
Ephel Duath

Out of those, my favorite is probably Ephel Duath. Through my dogs eyes and painters palette being two of my favorites.

Er...didn't see your post sense-offender, but now I have and thank you. Some of those I'm already familiar with, some not. Definitely glad to finally remember Arcturus. I kept thinking, "there's this band I wanna look up, god wtf was their name?" and there it is: arcturus.

Gonna go and re-acquaint myself after all this time. Kudos.

At 1/31/14 09:05 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: One of my first "gateway" bands before I started listening to metal was Korn. I got Follow the Leader when I was nine and listened to it a lot. My first metal album was Cowboys from Hell, which I got when I was around 11, I think. But I still hardly listened to metal beside that then. Instead, I had the Crow soundtrack, which I played endlessly along with that and still Follow the Leader. The Badge by Pantera was on that soundtrack, which is what led me to get Cowboys. From junior high through the early part of high school, I got into Slipknot, Disturbed, Flaw, Static-X, Coal Chamber, Mudvayne, Godsmack and stuff like that. The only other metal band besides Pantera I was really into then was Fear Factory. The rest was pretty much your gateway pseudo-metal type stuff.

It's funny how I pretty much skipped through the "gateway pseudo-metal stuff" mostly and got into melodic death metal and early thrash metal pretty fast, except for Slipknot, which I was a big fan of back then. Some kids at my high school just sent me tracks on MSN by bands like Kalmah, CoB, Finntroll and Edguy, and that's how I got interested in the genre, even though I didn't knew it was called metal back then.

But from maybe like age 15, I guess, I started listening to more metal. I quickly fell in love with Megadeth, Symphony X and Dream Theater. And soon after, I became obsessed with Helloween and around that same time, I bought Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime and kept playing that album over and over for days (still one of my favorite albums today). I think by that time I was into a handful of Black Sabbath and Dio songs. I started getting mostly into power metal and progressive metal after that. I was huge into power metal for a little while, which I hardly listen to now. And I mostly didn't like metal with harsh vocals at the time. I remember me and Nev being the "powerfags" here. By the time I was reaching the end of my senior year, I knew a great deal about metal. I also went through a phase of rejecting most of the nu-metal and stuff I had listened to before then and gave away all those CDs. Guess I was trying to "mature". Silly kid. I still look up some of that stuff on YouTube sometimes when I feel nostalgic, along with some of the rap I listened to. The Crow soundtack I still listen to just because it's really a good album. I never got rid of it.

I had friends who listened to prog metal in high school, but I was more into the melodic death and the thrash metal stuff. So my friends would be listening to Symphony X and Dream Theater, but it was not until I was something like 18 or 19 that I got into these bands myself.

I've also had a power metal phase that didn't last too long. I was a fan of bands like Stratovarius, Edguy, GammaRay, Hammefall, Cellador, Falconer, Adagio, Elvenking, Angra and more. Nowadays I'm not really huge on power metal, but I still visit my Keepers era Helloween from now and then, and I also really like the Italian prog power metal band Labÿrinth.

But I also never sold or gave away my nu-metal albums. I still have those Rammstein and Slipknot albums in my CD racks :P

At 1/31/14 01:09 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Also, to expand on avant-garde list, here's some more:

Alcest,

I've never heard Alcest being referred to as avant-garde metal before. The words shoegaze, post-rock, post-black metal or blackgaze are more commonly used to describe them. But I'd have an hard time pinpointing what exactly makes a band avant-garde metal anyway, so.

In the Woods,

I've always felt that black metal has pretty good roots for avant-garde bands to expand from. I like In the Woods :)

Ephel Duath

Out of those, my favorite is probably Ephel Duath. Through my dogs eyes and painters palette being two of my favorites.

I have an hard time liking pretty much every band that tries too hard to be silly and funny, especially with a band name like Ephel Duath. But somehow, I really like Crotchduster. I think the corny jokes and bad puns are well incorporated in the music in the particular case of this band, but stuff like Mr.Bungle or Ephel Duath, I really can't get around their silliness to appreciate the music.

Blood Red Throne - Arterial Lust

I think Ephel Duath and Mr Bungle are both great. Carry Stress in the Jaw is an awesome song.

I got into metal mostly through old-school metal and glam metal. When I was 10 I heard the song "Holy diver" by Dio on a South park episode, which I really liked, and also the song "Duality" by Slipknot when they played the music video on tv. When I was 12/13 I started listening to a lot of bands like Dokken, Ratt, Accept, and Iron Maiden, and got into thrash metal like Megadeth and Metallica, and more extreme bands like Kreator and Sodom. At first I hated nu-metal and metalcore but got into it when I was about 15, which was when I also started listening to more extreme metal. I think I joined this club when I was 13 which was 6 years ago.

The only non-metal band that I would really credit for getting me into actual metal is Korn. However, I wasn't into them for very long.

Actual metal bands that made me delve deeper into metal in general were Sonata Arctica, Edguy, Sentenced, Poisonblack, Lacuna Coil, Emperor, Dream Theater, Suffocation and Gorgoroth for the most part. To this day, I still love every single one of those bands. I don't think I became a metalhead in the true sense until July 2004. My music taste initially centered on about 75% power metal, but I eventually started to listen to black and death metal with more frequency, and bands like Arcturus and Unexpect got me to like avant-garde way more than I once did.

I'd say now, as has been the case for a while, I listen to a good variety of metal across all sub-genres. My mood fluctuates often and what I listen to often depends on it. There's not a whole lot I'm looking forward to besides the next Anaal Nathrakh album. I've been listening to a lot of their older and more recent stuff for the past few days a bit more than usual.

At 1/31/14 04:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
I have an hard time liking pretty much every band that tries too hard to be silly and funny, especially with a band name like Ephel Duath. But somehow, I really like Crotchduster. I think the corny jokes and bad puns are well incorporated in the music in the particular case of this band, but stuff like Mr.Bungle or Ephel Duath, I really can't get around their silliness to appreciate the music.

I can understand Mr. Bungle, but Ephel Duath is actually named after a place in Lord of The Rings. They're also usually very serious sounding, with abstract lyrical content. Not what I'd consider "silly." Mr. Bungle is silly with the costumes, and the carnival music samples and stuff. It's cartoony. Even though I personally love them.

But Ephel Duath are too gloomy and jazzy to seem silly to me. But hey, to each their own. I like a few of the bands you suggested as well.

At 2/2/14 03:53 PM, WallofYawn wrote: I can understand Mr. Bungle, but Ephel Duath is actually named after a place in Lord of The Rings. They're also usually very serious sounding, with abstract lyrical content. Not what I'd consider "silly." Mr. Bungle is silly with the costumes, and the carnival music samples and stuff. It's cartoony. Even though I personally love them.

I know where the name Ephel Duath came from and this is why I said what I said. But when I hear them singing about a gift they want to give, and that this gift is a dog... I kind of miss the point of naming themselves after the dark cliffs that lead into Mordor.

But that's just what bothered me at first listening and I never gave them another chance. So you might be right, I might have to give them another listen sometime.

But Ephel Duath are too gloomy and jazzy to seem silly to me. But hey, to each their own. I like a few of the bands you suggested as well.

Maybe you're right.

At 1/31/14 07:08 PM, DeIirium wrote: I got into metal mostly through old-school metal and glam metal. When I was 10 I heard the song "Holy diver" by Dio on a South park episode, which I really liked, and also the song "Duality" by Slipknot when they played the music video on tv. When I was 12/13 I started listening to a lot of bands like Dokken, Ratt, Accept, and Iron Maiden, and got into thrash metal like Megadeth and Metallica, and more extreme bands like Kreator and Sodom. At first I hated nu-metal and metalcore but got into it when I was about 15, which was when I also started listening to more extreme metal. I think I joined this club when I was 13 which was 6 years ago.

It's funny how little I know about some very important metal bands. I never listened to Accept before something like six months ago, and there are still bands like Candlemass or Anthrax that I know very little or nothing about, except for the fact that I should know them :P

At 2/2/14 03:09 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote: Actual metal bands that made me delve deeper into metal in general were Sonata Arctica, Edguy, Sentenced, Poisonblack, Lacuna Coil, Emperor, Dream Theater, Suffocation and Gorgoroth for the most part. To this day, I still love every single one of those bands. I don't think I became a metalhead in the true sense until July 2004. My music taste initially centered on about 75% power metal, but I eventually started to listen to black and death metal with more frequency, and bands like Arcturus and Unexpect got me to like avant-garde way more than I once did.

Power metal is often a gateway into metal, as it is less abrasive, more melodic and often focuses a lot on vocals. Not to say that it's a poppish genre, but it is definitely more accessible than other genres.

At 2/3/14 01:09 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I know where the name Ephel Duath came from and this is why I said what I said. But when I hear them singing about a gift they want to give, and that this gift is a dog... I kind of miss the point of naming themselves after the dark cliffs that lead into Mordor.

Yea, through my dogs eyes was unusual...it;s supposed to be about how a dog would view things. I didn't really get it either. In fact, I think Painter's Palette is a lot better effort, but that's just my opinion.

But that's just what bothered me at first listening and I never gave them another chance. So you might be right, I might have to give them another listen sometime.

Try their earlier work. Painters Palette is a good place to start.

At 1/31/14 07:08 PM, DeIirium wrote: I got into metal mostly through old-school metal and glam metal. When I was 10 I heard the song "Holy diver" by Dio on a South park episode, which I really liked, and also the song "Duality" by Slipknot when they played the music video on tv. When I was 12/13 I started listening to a lot of bands like Dokken, Ratt, Accept, and Iron Maiden, and got into thrash metal like Megadeth and Metallica, and more extreme bands like Kreator and Sodom. At first I hated nu-metal and metalcore but got into it when I was about 15, which was when I also started listening to more extreme metal. I think I joined this club when I was 13 which was 6 years ago.

Power metal is often a gateway into metal, as it is less abrasive, more melodic and often focuses a lot on vocals. Not to say that it's a poppish genre, but it is definitely more accessible than other genres.

I got a question though: why do they all sing like high-pitched opera vocals? I understand it's mostly all fantasy and stuff, with the lyrics, and they take heavy influence from classical music, but I just can't seem to get around those vocals. (and no, I wouldn't consider Led Zepplin, as high-frilly vocals. To me Robert Plant is more akin to a soul/blues singer, in terms of vocal style, so when I say high-pitched, I mean operatic)

It's one of the main thing keeping me from liking Iron Maiden and King Diamond.(aside from typical differences in taste)

I can get into some of it, but man...those vocals.