At 6/3/13 11:20 PM, ElGhoulio wrote:

Sir Ghoul when can we expect your new album? I'm anxious.

At 6/3/13 08:09 PM, infamoss wrote:

Dude you're such a hipster that I'm suprised that breathing is too mainstream for you.

At 6/7/13 08:06 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote:

At 6/3/13 11:20 PM, ElGhoulio wrote:

Sir Ghoul when can we expect your new album? I'm anxious.

It's in its final mixing stage :D

Here is a list that (according to Loudwire) is the Top 25 Best Metal Debut Albums.
http://loudwire.com/best-debut-metal-albums/

If you don't feel like clicking on the link I'll list em

25 Anthrax - Fistful Of Metal
24 Venom - Welcome To Hell
23 Megadeth - Killing Is My Business....And Business Is Good!
22 System Of A Down - System Of A down
21 Motorhead - Motorhead
20 Decide - Decide
19 Slipknot - Slipknot (the fuck?)
18 Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
17 Mastodon - Remission
16 Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
15 Exodus - Bonded By Blood
14 Suffocation - Effigy Of The Forgotten
13 Testament - The Legacy
12 Tool - The Undertow
11 Slayer - Show No Mercy
10 The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
09 Cynic - Focus
08 Opeth - Orchid
07 Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard Of Oz
06 Dio - Holy Diver
05 Death - Scream Bloody Gore
04 Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
03 Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
02 Metallica - Kill 'Em All
01 Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath

Out of the albums on this list I have the following questions:
What do you feel doesn't deserve to be on here?
What do you feel does deserve to be on here but isn't?
Which album(s) do you think aren't placed correctly, and where would you place said albums?

At 6/8/13 12:14 AM, Viper50 wrote: Here is a list that (according to Loudwire) is the Top 25 Best Metal Debut Albums.
http://loudwire.com/best-debut-metal-albums/

If you don't feel like clicking on the link I'll list em

24 Venom - Welcome To Hell
23 Megadeth - Killing Is My Business....And Business Is Good!

Ok debuts and definitely influential bands but I can think of much better debuts

18 Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse

Great album, but this isn't even Emperor's debut. What the fuck...

16 Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

Again, great album, but NOT MAYHEM'S DEBUT

15 Exodus - Bonded By Blood

First album on this list that actually belongs there.

14 Suffocation - Effigy Of The Forgotten

Dunno much about death metal, so I couldn't tell you much about this.

13 Testament - The Legacy

Perhaps this belongs there, if I were to be a particular fan thrash metal.

11 Slayer - Show No Mercy

This was definitely influential and possibly belongs here.

09 Cynic - Focus

yes

08 Opeth - Orchid

Perhaps

06 Dio - Holy Diver

Yes

05 Death - Scream Bloody Gore

This one definitely goes on the list. It was one of the few albums that defined death metal's sound.

Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden

No need to say more.

02 Metallica - Kill 'Em All

yes

01 Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath

for sheer historical importance.

I deleted all the entries I felt definitely didn't belong there. Most weren't metal, and some were metal but were rather mediocre. I counted 8 overall entries I'd put on my list of 25. Albums that were missing (in no particular order)?

Bathory -- Bathory
Skepticism -- Stormcrowfleet
Sodom -- In the Sign of Evil
Dissection -- The Somberlain
Blind Guardian -- Battalions of Fear
Diablo Swing Orchestra -- Butcher's Ballroom
Alice in Chains -- Facelift (say what you will about them, but they're metal)
Meshuggah -- Contradictions Collapse
Gorgoroth -- Pentagram
Borknagar -- Borknagar
Zyklon -- World of Worms
Ghost -- Opus Eponymous
Covenant -- In Times Before The Light
Aborym -- Kali Yuga Bizarre
Ulver -- Bergtatt
Arcturus -- Aspera Hiems Symfonia
Savatage -- Sirens

Those fill out all the spots that I took out from the list. I tried to get a good mix of new bands and old bands in there, as well as a healthy mix of genres.

Note: A lot of good bands weren't on that list simply because their debut wasn't all that great or exemplary. Yeah, it was harder than I thought, but that website sure made a shitty list.

At 6/8/13 01:53 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: Again, great album, but NOT MAYHEM'S DEBUT

I'm aware, but I'm just repeating what the list said. And for some reason when I typed that all out my hands kept wanting to type De Vermis Mysteriis instead haha.

I deleted all the entries I felt definitely didn't belong there. Most weren't metal, and some were metal but were rather mediocre. I counted 8 overall entries I'd put on my list of 25. Albums that were missing (in no particular order)?

Bathory -- Bathory
Sodom -- In the Sign of Evil
Blind Guardian -- Battalions of Fear
Diablo Swing Orchestra -- Butcher's Ballroom
Alice in Chains -- Facelift (say what you will about them, but they're metal)

I actually completely agree with this. I fucking love Alice In Chains, but they get grouped in with Grunge bands because they were around during that time period and are from the Seattle area.

Gorgoroth -- Pentagram
Ghost -- Opus Eponymous
Savatage -- Sirens

Out of the albums you listed these are the ones I have listened to multiple times.

Skepticism -- Stormcrowfleet
Dissection -- The Somberlain
Meshuggah -- Contradictions Collapse
Borknagar -- Borknagar
Zyklon -- World of Worms
Covenant -- In Times Before The Light
Aborym -- Kali Yuga Bizarre
Ulver -- Bergtatt
Arcturus -- Aspera Hiems Symfonia

As for these most of em I've heard said album at least once or twice but haven't listened to all that much. I feel I should give them another listen at some point, but I have a list of a couple hundred bands I still need to look up shit for, hahaha.

At 6/7/13 11:48 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: It's in its final mixing stage :D

Brutal. Ive listened to Graveyard Metal I donno how many times lol

Im working on some new stuff but Im kinda torn on which one to do. Im working on one called Until he Last Tyrant Falls anx another called Dread Lord.

I upload a new song guys, it's called Retrieving My Honour. Hope you guys like it, the audio quality sucks a bit, but I think I could have done worse.

At 6/8/13 11:42 AM, Viper50 wrote:

At 6/8/13 01:53 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: Again, great album, but NOT MAYHEM'S DEBUT

I'm aware, but I'm just repeating what the list said. And for some reason when I typed that all out my hands kept wanting to type De Vermis Mysteriis instead haha.

I deleted all the entries I felt definitely didn't belong there. Most weren't metal, and some were metal but were rather mediocre. I counted 8 overall entries I'd put on my list of 25. Albums that were missing (in no particular order)?

Bathory -- Bathory
Sodom -- In the Sign of Evil
Blind Guardian -- Battalions of Fear
Diablo Swing Orchestra -- Butcher's Ballroom
Alice in Chains -- Facelift (say what you will about them, but they're metal)

I actually completely agree with this. I fucking love Alice In Chains, but they get grouped in with Grunge bands because they were around during that time period and are from the Seattle area.

Yeah I love Alice In Chains. Jerry Cantrell was an expert songwriter and Staley had quite an ear for hooks and delivery.

Gorgoroth -- Pentagram
Ghost -- Opus Eponymous
Savatage -- Sirens

Out of the albums you listed these are the ones I have listened to multiple times.

I actually feel Gorgoroth's strongest effort was Under the Sign of Hell, but Pentagram was still quite a strong debut offering. Same goes with Savatage -- I felt Hall of the Mountain King was a stronger effort than Sirens, but Sirens still kicked an amazing amount of ass. As for Ghost, I haven't heard their new album yet.

Skepticism -- Stormcrowfleet
Dissection -- The Somberlain
Meshuggah -- Contradictions Collapse
Borknagar -- Borknagar
Zyklon -- World of Worms
Covenant -- In Times Before The Light
Aborym -- Kali Yuga Bizarre
Ulver -- Bergtatt
Arcturus -- Aspera Hiems Symfonia

As for these most of em I've heard said album at least once or twice but haven't listened to all that much. I feel I should give them another listen at some point, but I have a list of a couple hundred bands I still need to look up shit for, hahaha.

Eh, these are mostly reflecting my idiosyncrasies with music, especially Arcturus, Ulver, and Aborym. Still, all of the bands listed above are amazing and warrant deep exploration into their discographies.

At 6/8/13 11:06 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: Yeah I love Alice In Chains. Jerry Cantrell was an expert songwriter and Staley had quite an ear for hooks and delivery.

Have you listened to their newest album yet? Its not that bad. I mean its not as good as say Dirt or their self titled album. But its better than Black Gives Way To Blue.

I actually feel Gorgoroth's strongest effort was Under the Sign of Hell, but Pentagram was still quite a strong debut offering. Same goes with Savatage -- I felt Hall of the Mountain King was a stronger effort than Sirens, but Sirens still kicked an amazing amount of ass. As for Ghost, I haven't heard their new album yet.

I feel the same about Gorgoroth and Savatage.
Also the new Ghost album isn't as good as Opus Eponymous. But its still a good album.
But thats just my opinion.

At 6/8/13 01:53 AM, ElGhoulio wrote:

18 Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse

Great album, but this isn't even Emperor's debut. What the fuck...

It's their first full-lenght

16 Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

Again, great album, but NOT MAYHEM'S DEBUT

Again, I think their logic is to start counting at official full-lenght albums, excluding demos, live albums and EPs.

14 Suffocation - Effigy Of The Forgotten

Dunno much about death metal, so I couldn't tell you much about this.

It's a pretty solid death metal album.

Bathory -- Bathory

Bathory gets left out so fucking often, it's sickening...

Ulver -- Bergtatt

Definitely :)

At 6/8/13 12:14 AM, Viper50 wrote:

25 Anthrax - Fistful Of Metal
24 Venom - Welcome To Hell

I have little knowledge of these bands, so I can't pronounce myself.

23 Megadeth - Killing Is My Business....And Business Is Good!

I wouldn't say that's one of the best debut albums ever.

22 System Of A Down - System Of A down

Not really metal...

21 Motorhead - Motorhead
20 Decide - Decide

I wouldn't say so.

19 Slipknot - Slipknot (the fuck?)

Not metal.

18 Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
17 Mastodon - Remission
16 Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

Possible albums that are worthy of being on the list. But like Ghoul mentionned, two of those aren't really their debut album. And in the case of Mayhem it becomes obvious that considering only full-lenght albums is a big mistake, as their previous demos and live albums contain some of the best if not the best material ever released by Mayhem.

15 Exodus - Bonded By Blood

I have yet to really listen to this band...

14 Suffocation - Effigy Of The Forgotten

Great album

13 Testament - The Legacy

Another album I really should listen to more.

12 Tool - The Undertow

Not metal.

11 Slayer - Show No Mercy

I wouldn't say so.

10 The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity

Lol core.

09 Cynic - Focus

This one I definitely agree with. Not only is it one of the best debut albums, but it's most definitely one of the most creative and unique pieces of art released in the genre.

08 Opeth - Orchid

Not a big Opeth fan.

07 Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard Of Oz
06 Dio - Holy Diver

I'm not too sure about those.

05 Death - Scream Bloody Gore

Yes.

04 Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
03 Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden

Shamefuly, I do not know these albums enough to tell...

02 Metallica - Kill 'Em All

Yes.

01 Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath

Master Of Reality is their best effort. Sadly, it isn't their debut.

What do you feel does deserve to be on here but isn't?

Agalloch - Pale Folklore
Ulver - Bergtatt
Boris - Absolutego
Sigh - Scorn Defeat
Children Of Bodom - Something Wild
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Blotted Science - The Machinations Of Dementia
Spastic Ink - Ink Complete (Even if Ron Jarzombeck as had way too many shots at "debut albums" with various bands :P)
Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly (Call me a Jarzombeck fanboy all you want!!!)
Decapitated - Winds of Creation
Forteresse - Metal Noir Quebecois
Apokatastasia - Shedding
Wintersun - Wintersun
Thorr's Hammer - Dommedagsnatt (If EPs by dead bands count)
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death
Fleshgod Apocalypse - Oracles

What do you think??

At 6/8/13 12:14 AM, Viper50 wrote: What do you feel does deserve to be on here but isn't?

In Flames - Lunar Strain
Moonspell - Wolfheart
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Lamb of God - New American Gospel (hate me, go on)
High on Fire - The Art of Self Defense
Gojira - Terra Incognita

And I forgot

Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend

At 6/9/13 02:21 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

18 Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
17 Mastodon - Remission
16 Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

Possible albums that are worthy of being on the list. But like Ghoul mentionned, two of those aren't really their debut album. And in the case of Mayhem it becomes obvious that considering only full-lenght albums is a big mistake, as their previous demos and live albums contain some of the best if not the best material ever released by Mayhem.

15 Exodus - Bonded By Blood

I have yet to really listen to this band...

You should totally listen to them more than you have. Exodus are awesome.

04 Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
03 Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden

Shamefuly, I do not know these albums enough to tell...

Really? I think Iron Maiden's first two albums have some of the best stuff they've ever done. I mean their first album alone has Running Free, Phantom Of The Opera, Strange World, and Iron Maiden.

What do you feel does deserve to be on here but isn't?

Boris - Absolutego
Sigh - Scorn Defeat
Wintersun - Wintersun
Thorr's Hammer - Dommedagsnatt (If EPs by dead bands count)
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death

Totally agree with these.

Agalloch - Pale Folklore
Ulver - Bergtatt
Children Of Bodom - Something Wild
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Blotted Science - The Machinations Of Dementia
Spastic Ink - Ink Complete (Even if Ron Jarzombeck as had way too many shots at "debut albums" with various bands :P)
Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly (Call me a Jarzombeck fanboy all you want!!!)
Decapitated - Winds of Creation
Forteresse - Metal Noir Quebecois
Apokatastasia - Shedding
Fleshgod Apocalypse - Oracles

What do you think??

I haven't listened to these enough to have much of an opinion on em.

At 6/9/13 11:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And I forgot

Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend

While I'll admit ITROTBR wasn't exactly their best album it's still pretty awesome.

Has anyone heard of The Amenta? They're pretty good industrial black/death metal. The only description I could find was "radioactive postapocalyptic megalopolis"

Picked my bass up again. I'll try to do it seriously now. (Pressure me a little every once in a while :P)
I'm starting to work on some Black Sabbath :)

At 6/7/13 06:16 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 6/7/13 10:49 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 6/6/13 03:48 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 6/6/13 01:05 PM, Haggard wrote: Annihilator - Alice in Hell

one of the best thrash metal albums of all time.

It sure is. And to think that the same band also released the ablum "Metal" in 2007 almost makes me cry. Very manly tears, of course.

I'm glad I haven't heard it.

My advise: Leave it that way, it's better for you.

I'm still definitely interested in checking out King of the Kill. The only albums I've heard completely are Alice in Hell and Never, Neverland.

I still need to buy Never, Neverland. I only know a few songs, but they sound good.

I had heard of the Amenta, but hadn't listened to them. Sounds good.

At 6/12/13 06:12 PM, Haggard wrote: I still need to buy Never, Neverland. I only know a few songs, but they sound good.

It's pretty much Alice in Hell Part Two. I also consider it to be one of the best thrash albums of all time.

At 6/12/13 05:46 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked my bass up again. I'll try to do it seriously now. (Pressure me a little every once in a while :P)

Dooo bass stuff!

See? This is me, pressuring you.

I'm starting to work on some Black Sabbath :)

What songs are you working on?

At 6/9/13 02:21 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly (Call me a Jarzombeck fanboy all you want!!!)

Jarzombek didn't play on Watchtower's first album, good choice though.

I'll make a list shortly.

At 6/12/13 08:57 PM, Tobi wrote:

At 6/9/13 02:21 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly (Call me a Jarzombeck fanboy all you want!!!)

Jarzombek didn't play on Watchtower's first album, good choice though.

I remembered this shortly after posting this. And I feel that their album with Jarzombeck is not as good as their debut. I feel their second is some of the least interresting material involving Jarzombeck.

At 6/12/13 07:56 PM, Viper50 wrote: What songs are you working on?

Sweet Leaf
Solitude

At 6/12/13 09:25 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I remembered this shortly after posting this. And I feel that their album with Jarzombeck is not as good as their debut. I feel their second is some of the least interresting material involving Jarzombeck.

I see where your coming from, but I still like the Jarzombek album more, for all it's creativity and wackiness. It does have it faults though. The singer tends to go all over the place, trying to sing too many notes and odd rhythms. I understand he's trying to match the music, but sometimes, I wish he'd sing more straightforward melodies. It tends to wank here and there, but c'mon, it's Jarzombek, for a guy so tech-obsessed, you can't expect everything him to shit gold all the time.

Also, check out Venom and Iron Maiden's debuts. Even if you don't like them, it's good to know them for their historical significance. I personally love them both. Both fine pieces of punky NWOBHM.

Also also, to anyone who likes Venom, check out their album Temple of Ice. People seem to not care about any post - At War with Satan material, and lose interest altogether at the post - Cronos period, but this album is pretty damn good.

At 6/12/13 10:41 PM, Tobi wrote: I see where your coming from, but I still like the Jarzombek album more, for all it's creativity and wackiness. It does have it faults though. The singer tends to go all over the place, trying to sing too many notes and odd rhythms. I understand he's trying to match the music, but sometimes, I wish he'd sing more straightforward melodies. It tends to wank here and there, but c'mon, it's Jarzombek, for a guy so tech-obsessed, you can't expect everything him to shit gold all the time.

I thought their first album was already doing a lot for thrash metal. I really liked their progressive approach to thrash metal. And that was as soon as 1985! Energetic Disassembly was quite innovative and I felt that their next effort with Ron Jarzombeck was... creative, of course... but it kind of lost the essence of the first album. I felt the thrash metal elements were tuned down in favor of experimental prog/tech, and the vocalist like you mentionned seems kind of confused as to what he should be doing on this record.

Also, check out Venom and Iron Maiden's debuts. Even if you don't like them, it's good to know them for their historical significance. I personally love them both. Both fine pieces of punky NWOBHM.

I will, that's on my to do list :)

Keith Jarrett - Koln, January 24, 1975, Part II a

At 6/12/13 09:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/12/13 07:56 PM, Viper50 wrote: What songs are you working on?

Sweet Leaf
Solitude

Well have fun with learning them. I tried learning Solitude but I could never get it to sound right.
Out of every song on Master Of Reality I can't play at least 75-80% of that, Embryo, and After Forever.

At 6/12/13 05:46 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked my bass up again. I'll try to do it seriously now. (Pressure me a little every once in a while :P)
I'm starting to work on some Black Sabbath :)

Speaking of, what did you guys think of 13?
I know alot of people didnt like it but I think its great.

At 6/13/13 04:29 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote:

At 6/12/13 05:46 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked my bass up again. I'll try to do it seriously now. (Pressure me a little every once in a while :P)
I'm starting to work on some Black Sabbath :)

Speaking of, what did you guys think of 13?
I know alot of people didnt like it but I think its great.

I actually liked it quite a bit. I mean it did lose a bit of steam towards the end but overall it wasn't bad.

then there was the song that sounded like Planet Caravan....

At 6/13/13 04:29 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote:

At 6/12/13 05:46 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked my bass up again. I'll try to do it seriously now. (Pressure me a little every once in a while :P)
I'm starting to work on some Black Sabbath :)

Speaking of, what did you guys think of 13?
I know alot of people didnt like it but I think its great.

I've only heard the track God Is Dead? so far. And since the album just came out three days ago... give us just a little more time to hear it, will you? :P

Any fan of dark ambient? I recorded and uploaded a dark ambient song today, pretty fucked up shit. Check it out, it's called Earth's Core (See you in Hell). It really gave me quite a thrill to create.

There is this music festival every year in a Quebec town named Montebello named the Rockfest, and I must say that it's not of much interest to me, so I didn't buy any tickets. But going through the setlist of this year, I just... wow...

FML