At 7/14/12 01:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/14/12 03:59 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: I need to just put a disclaimer on it: WARNING: YOU WILL NOT LIKE THIS OPINION. Besides, is the nu-metal/metalcore crew still alive? It might've died, I was offline for 3 years so that's a distinct possibility, so I'm open to that being the case. My anger is a sort of "POST THAT STUFF THERE, NOT HERE" kind of deal.

They are metal enough to be discussed here. We aren't talking about Killswitch Engage, Bless the fall or Bring Me The Horizon. Between The Buried And Me is a real blend of metalcore and metal.

So, should we banish every single band that dares to include "core" elements from the Metal Hell, even if they have a huge amount of metal elements in their music ? If we did that, we'd have to exclude all bands that aren't straight-forward metal... Avant-garde or fusion genres would have to be exluded very often. And recently, Post-Rock has made a huge leap into metal... should we also exlude bands who use post-rock elements in their music ? I'm really not too sure about this.

Are you sure you don't want them excluded just because you don't like them ?

I guess not... it's a fuzzy boundary, though. My general rule is "If it's famous enough to be on metal-archives, yet it isn't on metal-archives, then it's not metal." Seeing as I despise damn near everything -core related (grindcore is the ONLY exception), I rely on the judgment of countless others who sift through that shit because I can't be arsed to.

So, to answer your question, yes. Most -core bands SHOULD be banished from the Hell. It's honestly not at all about how experimental or avante-garde you are. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad music, it's just that a lot of the bands you mentioned simply aren't metal. Experimental=/=metal. You seem to confuse being metal with being good. While we all like metal, it's still not synonymous with quality. So the bands you mentioned might be some good shit -- it's just not metal though.

So don't get all butthurt because your favorite -core band is excluded. And no, Between the Buried and Me is NOT a mix between metalcore and metal. It's pretty much straight down the middle metalcore. Lest you think I hate all things -core, one band that IS metal that has -core elements in its music is Abigail Williams. I've seen them live, twice, and they ARE metal. Listen to them (and FFS do your research and make sure it's their newest two albums, please?) and you will see what mixing metal and metalcore sounds like.

At 7/14/12 01:35 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: I guess not... it's a fuzzy boundary, though. My general rule is "If it's famous enough to be on metal-archives, yet it isn't on metal-archives, then it's not metal." Seeing as I despise damn near everything -core related (grindcore is the ONLY exception), I rely on the judgment of countless others who sift through that shit because I can't be arsed to.

A lot of people believe in God. That still isn't an argument to prove is existence. And Metal Archives has made silly decisions, such as... removing Stolen Babies from the Archives. And talking about Metal Archives... what should we do with the obvious Deathcore bands they keep allowing entrance on their website ? Because if BTBAM isn't metal, shit like As Blood Runs Black surely doesn't count as metal.

So, to answer your question, yes. Most -core bands SHOULD be banished from the Hell. It's honestly not at all about how experimental or avante-garde you are. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad music, it's just that a lot of the bands you mentioned simply aren't metal. Experimental=/=metal. You seem to confuse being metal with being good. While we all like metal, it's still not synonymous with quality. So the bands you mentioned might be some good shit -- it's just not metal though.

The bands I have listed were just obvious non-metal bands I wanted to compare BTBAM with. I never suggested that these bands were avant-garde. What I said though, is that it would be possible to simply reject the most avant-garde and fusion metal bands from the Metal Archives because they dare taking some steps in the unknown and mixing different genres together. Banishing these bands from the Metal umbrella genre would be wrong, for they bring something very interresting to music. Bands like Stolen Babies are amongs those...

So don't get all butthurt because your favorite -core band is excluded. And no, Between the Buried and Me is NOT a mix between metalcore and metal. It's pretty much straight down the middle metalcore. Lest you think I hate all things -core, one band that IS metal that has -core elements in its music is Abigail Williams. I've seen them live, twice, and they ARE metal. Listen to them (and FFS do your research and make sure it's their newest two albums, please?) and you will see what mixing metal and metalcore sounds like.

I can't believe you refuse to see the metal elements in Between The Buried And Me's music... But anyway.

And I know Abigail Williams. I own two of their albums and their first EP. They are indeed a mix of core and metal. Yet, some people on the Metal Archives and even in here, would treat them exactly the same way you are treating BTBAM. In fact, I remember Dalnaki even insulted Sorceron on Last.fm and compared his band to Suicide Silence...

At 7/15/12 12:46 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: stuff

It IS a fuzzy boundary, and I respect your opinion, but I gotta draw the line somewhere. Honestly, I'd rather err on the side of making this thread about "real", proven, and out-and-out metal, and leave any -core business to the thread that has the -core in its name, if not for the sheer purpose of thread differentiation. Honestly, if it were up to me, just for the sake of avoiding discussions like these, I'd banish ALL -core stuff, maybe making a few exceptions for bands like Napalm Death or Necrotorture.

At 7/13/12 08:24 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: generic shitty metalcore.

Somehow I expect that Oliver guy to troll us with BTBAM again.

At 7/14/12 02:59 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I'm taking good note of this. I really liked the heavyness and great progressive aspects of The August Empire. I really hope to find those elements in their other releases.

17th Street does come with a few heavier moments so that's also worth checking out. A bit of thrash there and a bit of doom as well. Fields/Church of Broken Glass double album is easily the least heaviest album of theirs.

I knew you really liked buying albums, but don't you ever download ? Or else, I could still send you their cds through e-mail... They really are worth buying though. I own three of their albums, and I can't wait to hear their new material, Faustian Echoes :)

My problem with downloading these days is how reluctant I am to actually put them on my iPod and such and even when I do that, I only listen to it once.

Anyway. If you are interrested in Agalloch, you should definitely start with Pale Folklore or Ashes Against The Grain. Well, any of their albums are fantastic, really. I just listed my favorites. But The Mantle is a masterpiece and Marrow Of The Spirit is just as unique and memorable as the others. If you want in depth descriptions of the albums, just ask :)

I have streamed The Mantle online and do like that so I should pick that up and go from there.

At 7/15/12 09:39 AM, Bahamut wrote: I have streamed The Mantle online and do like that so I should pick that up and go from there.

That's my favorite album by them, though all of their albums are great, and Ashes Against the Grain happens to have one of my favorite Agalloch songs, which is Falling Snow.

First Fragment - Paradoxal Subjugation (it's "paradoxical", you fools)

Rummy0, no offence, but the thought of Ihsahn beating the living shit out of you for trying to molest him makes my pee-pee expand.

Also, anyone know some good thrashy black metal? Stuff like early Darkthrone or Bathory I guess?

At 7/15/12 11:15 AM, Tobi wrote: Rummy0, no offence, but the thought of Ihsahn beating the living shit out of you for trying to molest him makes my pee-pee expand.

Also, anyone know some good thrashy black metal? Stuff like early Darkthrone or Bathory I guess?

Destroyer 666, Antares Predator, Under the Sign Of Hell (Gorgoroth), Aura Noir, Goatwhore, to name a few.

At 7/15/12 09:39 AM, Bahamut wrote: 17th Street does come with a few heavier moments so that's also worth checking out. A bit of thrash there and a bit of doom as well. Fields/Church of Broken Glass double album is easily the least heaviest album of theirs.

I think I'll go for The Bastard or The Locust Years next then. Thanks for the informations :)

My problem with downloading these days is how reluctant I am to actually put them on my iPod and such and even when I do that, I only listen to it once.

Why ? Because you feel bad for not buying it ?

I have streamed The Mantle online and do like that so I should pick that up and go from there.

Seing how every Agalloch album is a unique experience, I highly recommand to go through their whole library, starting with the full lenght albums first, of course. If you liked The Mantle, I recommand going for Ashes Against The Grain next. It his heavier, more metal, somewhat doomish and a lot darker than The Mantle, but the production is somewhat similar. You should like it :)

At 7/15/12 09:50 AM, Rummy0 wrote: oh please BTBAM do absolutely nothing new at all. just like every other shitty mallcore and "mathcore" (because mallcore is too shit to be progressive), all they ever do is put in really bad soft rock indie pop garbage in the middle of generic mallcore shit fodder, you might as well have just said Enter Shikari or Design The Skyline since that is what they are the equivilent of.

I have and hard time taking your opinion on this seriously Rummy. No offense... but you seem to hate any and every band that shows the slighest interest in experimenting with core elements, no matter how metal they are. Just a few weeks ago you dropped in the Djent club to mock the whole movement, no matter how inspired the music of some of the bands from this "genre" can be. I might not like them that much, but Periphery aren't a "generic mathcore" band, like you would say.

Between The Buried And Me do not take influences from Indie Rock or Soft Rock at all. If you'd actually pay attention to what they do, you'd hear Pink Floyd and Queen influences in there music. I don't know if these two qualify as "soft rock" for you, but otherwise, I really don't see how Bloc Party or Arcade Fire have anything to do with the album Colors. The softer parts on this album are a minority of the lenght of the album anyway...

White Walls, the last track on Colors is a very good prog track. You could try listening to it. I know you are going to complain about the palm-muted chug parts, but whatever.

At 7/15/12 10:40 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: That's my favorite album by them, though all of their albums are great, and Ashes Against the Grain happens to have one of my favorite Agalloch songs, which is Falling Snow.

I haven't listened to The Mantle quite as much as Pale Folklore or Ashes Against The Grain. I don't know why though. Last time I picked this one up, I was amazed by In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion. This track is beautiful... it's a masterpiece. It has one of the greatest ambiance, a build-up, a progression, and such emotion ! Damn, I love it! I don't know why I keep forgetting about this gem. Might be because their discography is filled with gems :)

At 7/15/12 11:15 AM, Tobi wrote: Rummy0, no offence, but the thought of Ihsahn beating the living shit out of you for trying to molest him makes my pee-pee expand.

Lol'ed

Also, anyone know some good thrashy black metal? Stuff like early Darkthrone or Bathory I guess?

Immortal, lulz.

Symphony X - King Of Terrors

A dear friend of mine, who's been my best friend going on 6 or 7 years, sent me a message this morning. He said he wasn't destined to be in this world much longer, that he was writing one final lyrical masterpiece (he's good at that shit) and that he wants me to make a black metal song out of it to be played at his funeral. He wrote a will, giving his gear to me and requesting that I be the keynote speaker at his funeral.

I don't know how to take this.

At 7/15/12 02:39 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: A dear friend of mine, who's been my best friend going on 6 or 7 years, sent me a message this morning. He said he wasn't destined to be in this world much longer, that he was writing one final lyrical masterpiece (he's good at that shit) and that he wants me to make a black metal song out of it to be played at his funeral. He wrote a will, giving his gear to me and requesting that I be the keynote speaker at his funeral.

I don't know how to take this.

How about trying to convince him not to kill himself ? If he believes he doesn't belong in this world, it might be because he doesn't like where his life is going. Changing things up might help him avoid doing the irreversible.

Agalloch - I Am The Wooden Doors

At 7/15/12 02:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

How about trying to convince him not to kill himself ? If he believes he doesn't belong in this world, it might be because he doesn't like where his life is going. Changing things up might help him avoid doing the irreversible.

Agalloch - I Am The Wooden Doors

I'll try that, but he's notoriously stubborn. He's also hooked on needle heroin, so that might play a part.

I'm still gonna record the song, because I promised him I would. Dead or not, I respect his lyrical prowess, and if he does indeed off himself, he wanted black metal played at his funeral.

Profetens Apenbaring -- you all know who that's by

Going through my progressive metal classics tonight. I've listenned to The Odyssey (the track) by Symphony X three times already today, and I'm now listenning to Learning To Live by Dream Theater. I'm wondering if I should go into Prog Sludge or stay with the more "melodic" forms of prog metal.

At 7/15/12 05:34 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: I'll try that, but he's notoriously stubborn. He's also hooked on needle heroin, so that might play a part.

Damn drugs... Don't let one of your best buddies kill himself, especially if he's depressed on drugs...

Dream Theater - Learning To Live

At 7/15/12 10:40 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 7/15/12 09:39 AM, Bahamut wrote: I have streamed The Mantle online and do like that so I should pick that up and go from there.

That's my favorite album by them, though all of their albums are great, and Ashes Against the Grain happens to have one of my favorite Agalloch songs, which is Falling Snow.

I'm sure you and Duff can agree that it's worth checking out all four albums. Although, I know for a fact that they made a single track 21 minute EP this year so that intrigues me.

At 7/15/12 01:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/15/12 09:39 AM, Bahamut wrote: 17th Street does come with a few heavier moments so that's also worth checking out. A bit of thrash there and a bit of doom as well. Fields/Church of Broken Glass double album is easily the least heaviest album of theirs.

I think I'll go for The Bastard or The Locust Years next then. Thanks for the informations :)

That's all and well. I suppose if you really want to dig deep into their music, there is the Unholy Cadaver album to pick up. Originally demos that had the whole album being brought to light last year. Definitely worth listening to as well, even though some ideas might feel off. And yes, I did actually pick up this album and it's exclusively in 2LP+CD; no other physical alternatives.

My problem with downloading these days is how reluctant I am to actually put them on my iPod and such and even when I do that, I only listen to it once.

Why ? Because you feel bad for not buying it ?

It's not even that. I'm just too lazy with what I download. Even if I downloaded a ROM for an extremely rare/unavailable game in Europe like Earthbound, I'd still not be arsed with taking the time to go through it. :P

I have streamed The Mantle online and do like that so I should pick that up and go from there.

Seing how every Agalloch album is a unique experience, I highly recommand to go through their whole library, starting with the full lenght albums first, of course. If you liked The Mantle, I recommand going for Ashes Against The Grain next. It his heavier, more metal, somewhat doomish and a lot darker than The Mantle, but the production is somewhat similar. You should like it :)

Since we're still talking about Agalloch, what's your take on the new EP?

At 7/15/12 08:47 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Going through my progressive metal classics tonight. I've listenned to The Odyssey (the track) by Symphony X three times already today, and I'm now listenning to Learning To Live by Dream Theater. I'm wondering if I should go into Prog Sludge or stay with the more "melodic" forms of prog metal.

My preference would be a bit of both. Of course, I'd be more into the melodic forms of prog metal but I'll take other stuff as well that's truly outstanding.

At 7/16/12 09:48 AM, RageOfOrder wrote: I guess I should have known better than to post BTBAM >.>

Let's try this again. How about Wretched? Do we like them?

This is more relevant to my interests.

Aww man, we've lost Jon Lord.

At 7/16/12 09:35 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'm sure you and Duff can agree that it's worth checking out all four albums. Although, I know for a fact that they made a single track 21 minute EP this year so that intrigues me.

I want that album so bad ! And I can't seem to find it on eBay or Agalloch's website (their online store is down again). I can't wait to hear it !

And yes, all four albums are worth it. And when you are done with the full lenghts, than you can explore even more. Their first demo is quite memorable and The White EP is an amazing neofolk album (no metal). I have even heard that John Haughm has done a whole album with Ambient artist Mathias Grassow. I really want to hear that two !

That's all and well. I suppose if you really want to dig deep into their music, there is the Unholy Cadaver album to pick up. Originally demos that had the whole album being brought to light last year. Definitely worth listening to as well, even though some ideas might feel off. And yes, I did actually pick up this album and it's exclusively in 2LP+CD; no other physical alternatives.

Haha! You're just like me, you want me to discover this band way too fast :P I didn't read that part of your post before writting the first part in which I recommand all of the four albums, and I throw in a demo, an EP and a collab project :P Like you really are going to get this far in one week !

It's not even that. I'm just too lazy with what I download. Even if I downloaded a ROM for an extremely rare/unavailable game in Europe like Earthbound, I'd still not be arsed with taking the time to go through it. :P

I know what you mean. I myself believe that the physical album is as much of a part of the piece of art as the music itself. Buying the album, opening the case, looking at the cd and picking it up to put it in the cd player while you read the booklet and look at the pictures. That's feel I will always like :)

Since we're still talking about Agalloch, what's your take on the new EP?

Can't find it :'( I don't feel like listening to it on YouTube either... That may be dumb, but I could never listen to the most recent Agalloch album before it landed in my mailbox. I just really wanter to have the best first experience possible with it. I guess I will do that with the new EP also :P

My preference would be a bit of both. Of course, I'd be more into the melodic forms of prog metal but I'll take other stuff as well that's truly outstanding.

Ended up listening to Blotted Science. So no Mastodon and ISIS... or DT and Symphony X either :P Just some good ol'Blotted Science :)

At 7/16/12 09:48 AM, RageOfOrder wrote: I guess I should have known better than to post BTBAM >.>

Let's try this again. How about Wretched? Do we like them?

I don't know them, but I read they are a Technical Death/Deathcore band. You might not have much more success with these guys :P

Agalloch - She Painted Fire Across the Skyline. Pt. 2

At 7/16/12 01:49 PM, Bahamut wrote: Aww man, we've lost Jon Lord.

what! D:
RIP

Got back from Mayhem Fest last night. Saw Anthrax, and they were fantastic live. They had a lot of energy and interacted with the crowd a lot. They had a massive most pit and it was sweet. Here is their setlist:
Caught in a Mosh
Got the Time
Fight 'Em Till You Can't
Antisocial
Madhouse
Indians
I Am the Law

In short, it was epic and sweet. I wish they played a little more from their Persistence of Time album, as that is my favorite of theirs. I missed As I Lay Dying (not too sad about that) but I got there to see Motorhead who are FANTASTIC live. Much better than their studio stuff. Here is their setlist:
Bomber
Damage Case
I Know How to Die
Stay Clean
Over the Top
The Chase is Better Than the Catch
The One to Sing the Blues (There was an awesome two minute drum solo during this song. So epic)
Going to Brazil
Killed By Death
Ace of Spades
Overkill

It was a sweet set, and Lemmy and Phil Campbell seemed like really fun and classy guys, they were a lot of fun interacting with the audience. I wish they played some stuff from Iron Fist (again favorite album of theirs).

Then was Slayer, who played nonstop, and it was so sweet. They had a massive flaming logo and it was great. They shot fire from their amps. They had a lot of energy and it was cool. Here is the setlist:
Disciple
War Ensemble
Die by the Sword
Hate Worldwide
Mandatory Suicide
Altar of Sacrifice
Jesus Saves
Seasons in the Abyss
Hell Awaits
Dead Skin Mask
Angel of Death
South of Heaven
Raining Blood

I was actually quite surprised by the choices of Hell Awaits and Dead Skin Mask (but it was a pleasant surprise) but it was a lot of fun. And while I am not a fan of Slipknot, I have to admit that they had a great live show.

So guys, I met this girl a few days ago. She doesn't have a computer, and she is in to a lot of deathcore, stuff like We Came As Romans and A7X. I could care less that she likes them, but I'm thinking a syringe full of metal might give her some more things to listen to. So perhaps you guys might know some good stuff to suggest to a new comer. Being that she is in to -core, I'm sure she can handle some extreme stuff, but let's not get full blown. I'm wary to suggest the oldies, because people into core tend to not like that stuff at first (Though she will hear Sabbath whether she likes it or not). She's into comics and reading, so literary references are very welcome.

Thanks for recs in advance.

And fuck do I love this song, but fuck do I hate this video.

At 7/16/12 10:02 PM, Tobi wrote: So guys, I met this girl a few days ago. She doesn't have a computer, and she is in to a lot of deathcore, stuff like We Came As Romans and A7X. I could care less that she likes them, but I'm thinking a syringe full of metal might give her some more things to listen to. So perhaps you guys might know some good stuff to suggest to a new comer. Being that she is in to -core, I'm sure she can handle some extreme stuff, but let's not get full blown. I'm wary to suggest the oldies, because people into core tend to not like that stuff at first (Though she will hear Sabbath whether she likes it or not). She's into comics and reading, so literary references are very welcome.

Thanks for recs in advance.

And fuck do I love this song, but fuck do I hate this video.

hmm...were you looking for specific genres?
or just anything we can think of at all?
id be glad to help as much as i can with that kind of stuff but i mean do you want some stuff thats like Doom, Sludge, Prog, Stoner, Black, Alternative, Death, Folk, Drone, Thrash?

those are all the genres i have on my computer...minus Post-Metal......

At 7/16/12 10:13 PM, Viper50 wrote: hmm...were you looking for specific genres?

Anything goes (Perhaps disregarding black metal, but there are exceptions. I think she'd like Abigal Williams). As I said though, not too aggressive. Clean vocals are good too. I just listened to a few Roman tracks (gnashing my teeth all the while) an most tracks had clean vocals. So if we are going extreme metal, stuff like Cynic or Phlebotomized, I guess. I dunno. I've only met her once. One metal(ish) thing I know she does like is Clutch.

I forgot to mention she is home schooled too (not that it's really important in rec'ing music).

At 7/16/12 10:22 PM, Tobi wrote:

At 7/16/12 10:13 PM, Viper50 wrote: hmm...were you looking for specific genres?

Anything goes (Perhaps disregarding black metal, but there are exceptions. I think she'd like Abigal Williams). As I said though, not too aggressive. Clean vocals are good too. I just listened to a few Roman tracks (gnashing my teeth all the while) an most tracks had clean vocals. So if we are going extreme metal, stuff like Cynic or Phlebotomized, I guess. I dunno. I've only met her once. One metal(ish) thing I know she does like is Clutch.

I forgot to mention she is home schooled too (not that it's really important in rec'ing music).

hmm...then i'll try to think of some stuff and get back to you on that then
ya know go through my stuff and see if theres anything that would be good to start off listening to and stuff

Why is it that I'm in love with black metal but all of the depressive black metal I find seems to be shitty? For example, this.

I mean, I don't know if it's just me, but that band fucking sucks. All I heard the entire song was mindless "OOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHHH" shouts over and over again. Is this really what depressive black metal is?

At 7/16/12 10:02 PM, Tobi wrote: So guys, I met this girl a few days ago. She doesn't have a computer, and she is in to a lot of deathcore, stuff like We Came As Romans and A7X. I could care less that she likes them, but I'm thinking a syringe full of metal might give her some more things to listen to. So perhaps you guys might know some good stuff to suggest to a new comer. Being that she is in to -core, I'm sure she can handle some extreme stuff, but let's not get full blown. I'm wary to suggest the oldies, because people into core tend to not like that stuff at first (Though she will hear Sabbath whether she likes it or not). She's into comics and reading, so literary references are very welcome.

Thanks for recs in advance.

And fuck do I love this song, but fuck do I hate this video.

Iron Maiden is a must. They have a lot of literary references, and Bruce has such an extensive library that he was nicknamed Conan the Librarian. So yeah, definitely them. I'll then break down recs by genre:

Heavy Metal:
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Manilla Road
Cirith Ungol
Dawnbringer
Armored Saint
Angel Witch

Thrash Metal:
Aspid
Toxik
Voivod
Kreator
Flotsam and Jetsam
Metal Church
Anacrusis

Death Metal:
God Dethroned
Akercocke
Autopsy
Nile
Blood Red Throne
Quo Vadis
Wintersun

Power Metal:
Iced Earth
Gamma Ray
Kamelot
Rhapsody (of Fire)
Lost Horizon
Slough Feg
Persuader

That should be good to start. If you want more, just say so and I will get on it.

At 7/16/12 10:02 PM, Tobi wrote: So guys, I met this girl a few days ago. She doesn't have a computer, and she is in to a lot of deathcore, stuff like We Came As Romans and A7X. I could care less that she likes them, but I'm thinking a syringe full of metal might give her some more things to listen to. So perhaps you guys might know some good stuff to suggest to a new comer. Being that she is in to -core, I'm sure she can handle some extreme stuff, but let's not get full blown. I'm wary to suggest the oldies, because people into core tend to not like that stuff at first (Though she will hear Sabbath whether she likes it or not). She's into comics and reading, so literary references are very welcome.

Thanks for recs in advance.

And fuck do I love this song, but fuck do I hate this video.

For black metal:

Kvist
Gorgoroth's first 4 albums
Emperor
Mayhem
Setherial
Marduk
Nokturnal Mortum
Abigor
Arcturus
Averse Sefira
Balrog
Belphegor
Belenos
Craft
Aborym
Dodheimsgard
Rotting Christ
Mirrorthrone
Hate Forest
Bathory
Sodom
Hellhammer

For power metal:
Avantasia's first 2 albums
Blind Guardian
Heavenly
Artension
Royal Hunt
Dark Moor
Grave Digger
Rising Force
Savage Circus
Time Requiem (especially their s/t)
Iron Savior
Dreamaker
Wintersun

For heavy metal:

Savatage's pre-gutter ballet stuff
of course, Judas Priest
of course, Iron Maiden
of course, Motorhead
Candlemass
Rage
of course, Dio
Mercyful Fate
Manowar's 80's stuff
HammerFall
Running Wild
Virgin Steele

Death metal:

Beyond Creation
Archspire
Monumental Torment
Demilich
Deathchain
Death
Incantation
Immolation
Myrkskog
Zyklon
The Berzerker
Goratory
Possessed
Autopsy
Dismember
Deteriorot
Dawn of Dreams (black/death metal)

Thrash metal:
Megadeth (Rust In Peace and prior)
Metallica (Master of Puppets and prior)
Forbidden
Testament
Exodus
Flotsam and Jetsam
Possessed (yeah I mentioned them already)
Fuck you, you don't need anymore thrash than that fuckers (look at where I live. c wut i did thar?)

Doom metal:

Skepticism
Virgin Black
November's Doom

Random recommendations:

Korpiklaani (good drinking music)
Ulver (just cuz)
The Kovenant
Ram-Zet
Devin Townsend and any of his projects
Angst Skvadron

I've probably missed a whole bunch of bands, but I listed a shitton, have fun.

okay for the music stuff from earlier i'll just a few bands now and possibly put more later today after i look through the rest of my music. i have no idea what happened earlier today after i responded but i was sitting in my room with all the lights off staring at the wall listening to YOB and i have no idea what happened for an entire half hour...

onto the music
Doom Metal:
Blood Ceremony
Saint Vitus i guess you can go with The Obsessed along with Saint Vitus if you want...
Witchcraft

Stoner Metal:
The Sword (they're stoner/doom but yeah...)
Karma To Burn (if shes into instrumentals)
Kyuss

i'll just give ya that stoner and doom stuff for the moment as im really tired xD

At 7/16/12 01:54 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/16/12 09:35 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'm sure you and Duff can agree that it's worth checking out all four albums. Although, I know for a fact that they made a single track 21 minute EP this year so that intrigues me.

I want that album so bad ! And I can't seem to find it on eBay or Agalloch's website (their online store is down again). I can't wait to hear it !

That's fucked up. I wonder why it's hard to get an EP available on physical format. They do have the full song on their Bandcamp page, though which includes a digital download price. I feel if I have to buy the albums, I may as well get them in physical formats.

And yes, all four albums are worth it. And when you are done with the full lenghts, than you can explore even more. Their first demo is quite memorable and The White EP is an amazing neofolk album (no metal). I have even heard that John Haughm has done a whole album with Ambient artist Mathias Grassow. I really want to hear that two !

I see The Mantle for £10.48 on Amazon. You're not going to see much better prices than that around here. Kinda wish I had gotten some Amazon vouchers for my birthday now but I can always ask for them for future present ideas. I've got £40 for HMV so I'll see what I can possibly get - Maybe another Agalloch album if I'm very lucky.

Haha! You're just like me, you want me to discover this band way too fast :P I didn't read that part of your post before writting the first part in which I recommand all of the four albums, and I throw in a demo, an EP and a collab project :P Like you really are going to get this far in one week !

The band isn't cluttered up with demo/single releases so there's only the five albums to get (six if you count Unholy Cadaver). I like the look of their discography right now. Looks very tidy.

It's not even that. I'm just too lazy with what I download. Even if I downloaded a ROM for an extremely rare/unavailable game in Europe like Earthbound, I'd still not be arsed with taking the time to go through it. :P

I know what you mean. I myself believe that the physical album is as much of a part of the piece of art as the music itself. Buying the album, opening the case, looking at the cd and picking it up to put it in the cd player while you read the booklet and look at the pictures. That's feel I will always like :)

And with a digital download regardless of legality just isn't the same. I can't quite trust how downloaded tracks are backed up for music. Maybe if they had that convenient account system that Steam has...

Since we're still talking about Agalloch, what's your take on the new EP?

Can't find it :'( I don't feel like listening to it on YouTube either... That may be dumb, but I could never listen to the most recent Agalloch album before it landed in my mailbox. I just really wanter to have the best first experience possible with it. I guess I will do that with the new EP also :P

I'll probably listen to it online. I know that contradicts my previous statements but if it's a matter of digging it up on YouTube, I can settle with that. I have found many bands just by listening to songs that I discover on YouTube so if there's one thing that site did right, it's this.

At 7/16/12 02:45 PM, Zodir wrote: Motorhead's setlist

They seem to like Going to Brazil an awful lot. They played that song when I saw them in 2010. I'm actually going to see them live again in November. I probably could have let it slide but then it was announced that Anthrax would be touring with them in the UK so there was no way we were going to pass that up.

At 7/16/12 10:02 PM, Tobi wrote: So guys, I met this girl a few days ago. She doesn't have a computer, and she is in to a lot of deathcore, stuff like We Came As Romans and A7X. I could care less that she likes them, but I'm thinking a syringe full of metal might give her some more things to listen to. So perhaps you guys might know some good stuff to suggest to a new comer. Being that she is in to -core, I'm sure she can handle some extreme stuff, but let's not get full blown. I'm wary to suggest the oldies, because people into core tend to not like that stuff at first (Though she will hear Sabbath whether she likes it or not). She's into comics and reading, so literary references are very welcome.

Thanks for recs in advance.

I recommand going with modern bands and maybe some with none to a few core influences to make the transition easier :P While some of the guys from the Hell will disagree, I think going through the modern and most popular artists might not be a bad idea to help someone throw the corebage out of their life...

I'd say...

Benighted
Abigail Williams
Children Of Bodom
Nightrage
Arsis
Insomnium
Ensiferum
Wintersun
Dark Tranquillity
early Soilwork
Darkane
Dream Theater (?)
Equilibrium
Genghis Tron (!)
Glask Casket (!)
early In Flames (!) (a band we tend to forget about for their obvious stupid sell-out, but who still released great material)
Kalmah

and so on...

At 7/16/12 10:51 PM, mothballs wrote: Why is it that I'm in love with black metal but all of the depressive black metal I find seems to be shitty?

You want some good Black Metal recommandations ?
When it comes to good Depressive Black Metal, there are a few bands you just don't want to miss out on.

You must get the album Il Ão/ootait une Forêt... by the band Gris. It is absolutely amazing. Probably the best Depressive Black Metal album ever released, if you ask me.

The album To Lay Like Old Ashes by Austere is also a must. If you don't like the whole thing, check out the track Just for a Moment. I think it stands out as a masterpiece on it's own.

Languor into Echoes, Beyond by Chaos Moon is great. It's now your typical slow-paced and repetitive depressive black metal album. It's very "second-wave-ish black metal" but with good depressive bm elements. I like it :)

I know Xasthur gets a lot of negative critics, but Malefic's work is worth checking out no matter what flaws you can find in his music. I think you need to be in a specific mood for Xasthur, and even though the flaws are obvious in his music, it's still nice to go back to some of his records every now and then. To Violate the Oblivious has a thrashy production, which makes it probably the most "melodic" of his albums. It's pretty decent if you ask me. A few very good riffs here and there on that album, and some quite memorable moments. The album Subliminal Genocide is worth checking out for the two first tracks alone. Nothing to do with masterpieces like Ulver's Bergtatt, but still worth checking out.

At 7/17/12 09:07 AM, Bahamut wrote: That's fucked up. I wonder why it's hard to get an EP available on physical format. They do have the full song on their Bandcamp page, though which includes a digital download price. I feel if I have to buy the albums, I may as well get them in physical formats.

Same here. I'm not buying any digital shit... ever !

And it sucks that I can't seem to find it. I would like to hear it before the show. Yup, I'm most likely going to see them live on July 24th !!

I see The Mantle for Ã'£10.48 on Amazon. You're not going to see much better prices than that around here. Kinda wish I had gotten some Amazon vouchers for my birthday now but I can always ask for them for future present ideas. I've got Ã'£40 for HMV so I'll see what I can possibly get - Maybe another Agalloch album if I'm very lucky.

Usually HMV, no matter how shitty this store has gotten, still have Agalloch albums... Get The Mantle as fast as you can. You won't regret this ! And if you can pick any other of their albums, do it :)

The band isn't cluttered up with demo/single releases so there's only the five albums to get (six if you count Unholy Cadaver). I like the look of their discography right now. Looks very tidy.

Well, if HOM had a demo like From Which Of This Oak, you'd be fuckin' happy they have released demos :P

And with a digital download regardless of legality just isn't the same. I can't quite trust how downloaded tracks are backed up for music. Maybe if they had that convenient account system that Steam has...

Same here... And Apple still retains a fucking property on the tracks as well... Fuck it !

In Flames - Touch of Red

At 7/16/12 10:02 PM, Tobi wrote: So guys, I met this girl a few days ago. She doesn't have a computer, and she is in to a lot of deathcore, stuff like We Came As Romans and A7X. I could care less that she likes them, but I'm thinking a syringe full of metal might give her some more things to listen to. So perhaps you guys might know some good stuff to suggest to a new comer.

The Black Dahlia Murder
Arsis
Ghost
Down
Fear Factory
Gwar
Immortal
Kamelot
Kvelertak
Mastodon
Opeth
Red Fang
Strapping Young Lad
3 Inches of Blood

Besides listing the obvious this seems good for a metal newbie.

At 7/17/12 08:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You want some good Black Metal recommandations ?
When it comes to good Depressive Black Metal, there are a few bands you just don't want to miss out on.

You must get the album Il Ãfo/ootait une ForÃfªt... by the band Gris. It is absolutely amazing. Probably the best Depressive Black Metal album ever released, if you ask me.

The album To Lay Like Old Ashes by Austere is also a must. If you don't like the whole thing, check out the track Just for a Moment. I think it stands out as a masterpiece on it's own.

Languor into Echoes, Beyond by Chaos Moon is great. It's now your typical slow-paced and repetitive depressive black metal album. It's very "second-wave-ish black metal" but with good depressive bm elements. I like it :)

I know Xasthur gets a lot of negative critics, but Malefic's work is worth checking out no matter what flaws you can find in his music. I think you need to be in a specific mood for Xasthur, and even though the flaws are obvious in his music, it's still nice to go back to some of his records every now and then. To Violate the Oblivious has a thrashy production, which makes it probably the most "melodic" of his albums. It's pretty decent if you ask me. A few very good riffs here and there on that album, and some quite memorable moments. The album Subliminal Genocide is worth checking out for the two first tracks alone. Nothing to do with masterpieces like Ulver's Bergtatt, but still worth checking out.

Thanks man, I'll be sure to check out some of those recommendations. I know they'll be good, unlike searching youtube for the most mainstream depressive black metal there is. Those usually suck.

And I know I'm a little late to the party, but Destroyer 666 is AWESOME! I haven't listened to a single track yet from any of their albums that isn't great.

And if I were to add, Tsjuder coming back together was probably the best reformation ever, because they were able to come back and make the best album yet of their discography, Legion Helvete. Bought the album itself and a T-shirt of it. I just wish black metal bands performed live more than they do, they seem to like to avoid stages.