At 12/20/05 10:22 PM, jarrydn wrote: I totally do not understand this 'don't wear a band t-shirt' mentallity.

If you support a band/bands, it's nice to show your colours. Get other people interested. Let other metalheads know where you stand.

I love getting a new shirt or two, then adding it to my collection and standing back to admire my work.

Well, that's not my mentality either. I support a band by going to their concerts and listening to their music. I don't wear their clothing because I'm not OMG BALCK METAL or OMG SLIPKNOT SUX and I just don't because they're too expensive and Sears has cheaper t-shirts. No point in paying for overpriced T-shirts.

I'm fucking dreaming of a white christmas. Why? Because when it snows here, it really snows, and I get to walk outside in my trench-coat, listening to my good old winter collection..

Burzum, Dartkthrone, 1349, Dark Funeral.. All them nice icey cold BM bands to chill yer heart to.

BTW, I had only just noticed I had lost my boxing glove level. God damn not wanting to vote! Noes! Oh well, voted and levelled up again...

At 12/20/05 11:37 PM, Lord_IndustrialDarth wrote: I'm fucking dreaming of a white christmas. Why? Because when it snows here, it really snows, and I get to walk outside in my trench-coat, listening to my good old winter collection..

Burzum, Dartkthrone, 1349, Dark Funeral.. All them nice icey cold BM bands to chill yer heart to.

Eh. It ain't snowin in El Sobrante (it never snows here) but, to quote Darkthrone, it's raining murder here.

At 12/20/05 11:37 PM, The_Ghoul wrote: Well, that's not my mentality either. I support a band by going to their concerts and listening to their music. I don't wear their clothing because I'm not OMG BALCK METAL or OMG SLIPKNOT SUX and I just don't because they're too expensive and Sears has cheaper t-shirts. No point in paying for overpriced T-shirts.

Good point. I wear alot of local stuff because it's cheap, or I get it free...and when I'm loaded I usually buy a few shirts from the local bong shop...they're reasonably priced.

You can get some pretty good deals online also.

At 12/20/05 10:22 PM, jarrydn wrote: I totally do not understand this 'don't wear a band t-shirt' mentallity.

Me neither :)

If you support a band/bands, it's nice to show your colours. Get other people interested. Let other metalheads know where you stand.

I agree.

I love getting a new shirt or two, then adding it to my collection and standing back to admire my work.

Haha, same here. I don't have many bandshirts, but I do like them a lot :) Especially my Behemoth and Hypocrisy shirts :)

First of all, In Greece Nazism can get you to jail. There is no clear mention of ns in ANY Greek bands, except if they didnt care about getting banned in Greece. Astarte didn't want to get banned. But believe me, I know them bloody personally, the BM community is Greece is small enough to fit in my palm, though there pretty many famous bands. First of all The music of their CDs is NOTHING like the music they play live. And I say NOTHING. They make everyone go NUTS. They play ten times better live than in their CDs, and without censored lyrics. I ve seen them sooo many times, trust me on that one band. ^^

To finish the Vikernes conversation, I just dont like the way he implies that women should just be good wives and mothers, and that its stupid that women get educated and stuff. He forgets women can be tough, and educated, and good mothers and wives all together. Its rare but they CAN. And Burzum music, its ok, I mean its not bad. Its just very repetitive. They have found a sound that sells, so they dont change anything, they dont do anything except the same Burzumic sound over and over again. It was great as long as it meant something.

For Christmas I am gonna get me some more 1349, Kataxu, Lord Wind, Xenophobia, Hate forest, Hecate Enhtroned, Panzerchrist, Absu, Krustallnacht, Catamenia, Autopsy, Sceptic flesh, Cryptopsy, Order of the Ebon hand, War 88, Ravensthrone...
God damnit I am gonna go to Greece and meet Rottign Chirst again... I am so embarassed to, after having been such a bitch to Andreas.. (the bassist)... >_<
Whatever.

And 'bout band shirts. I own pretty many, but I dont like to wear to school. They attract the attention of posers that then try to... ew... BEFRIEND me. And usually they are horrid and younger than me (around 15 or 16). So I wear my wonderful band shirts when I go somewhere where I want to be identified as a BMer.

Btw
Any good suggestions for bands I may not know?

Blaarrrghghgh.... I hate it when a band's "message" gets to be bigger than the band. That's why I hate a lot of NSBM bands... they're often better known for bein a bunch of nazis and spend most of their energy being nazi than rather than making music. I prefer black metal bands who keep politics out of their music.

To sum it up, keep the politics separated from the music... when I pop a burzum CD into my CD player, I'm listening to Burzum's music, not Varg Vikernes' idiotic ramblings. Especially his whole "UFO" theories.

Well in Greece its Nazism is banned, so even if they WANTED to put some sort of political message in their music, they CANT. ^^
And the reason I so like NSBM has nothing to do with their ideas, with which I often disagree, it just has the to do with their hostility and brutality. Pretty often none the less, what Ghoul says, ideas without good music, gets on my nerves A LOT> for example I loathe the band Absurd. They just majorly suck whipped whale's cock.

At 12/21/05 10:22 AM, Lykaki wrote: -snip-
Btw
Any good suggestions for bands I may not know?

Yes, me dear, I have a few. Try Brit based BM band Abgott, or if you're looking for slightly BM tinged, slightly DM tinged prog extreme metal, to have a break from all that blackness once in a while, Akercocke. Waitan's another good band, German one. If you've already heard of these guys, then say so and I'll skulk quietly away into my own little hole once more..

http://www.imagebay.com/gallery.php?gid=18

Just forgot I had pictures of my recent pure BM music Halloween party not too far ago. Most of the pics are from the fishing I did up in Norfolk, but I got a few photos of me and my family getting into All Hallow's Eve in my satanic celebration.

hail the metal \m/
i'd like to join up, i love meeting other metalheads, well, the ones that don't bash my taste anyways. i love way too many bands to name, so ill just put like the last 20 artists that were on my playlist.
Nothingface
Skyfire
Morbid Angel
Opeth
Trigger Point
Nevermore
DisasterCompleX (local, kick ass)
Tommorow's Tragedy (also local)
Silent Civilian
Demon Hunter
Bullet For My Valentine
Manntis
Bury Your Dead
Diecast
It Dies Today
The Dillenger Escape Plan
CoB
Botch
In Flames
Dying Fetus

ok, some of them might be hardcore instead of metal, but my open mind sometimes gets the better of me ;)

At 12/21/05 01:26 PM, The_Ghoul wrote: Blaarrrghghgh.... I hate it when a band's "message" gets to be bigger than the band. That's why I hate a lot of NSBM bands... they're often better known for bein a bunch of nazis and spend most of their energy being nazi than rather than making music. I prefer black metal bands who keep politics out of their music.

To sum it up, keep the politics separated from the music... when I pop a burzum CD into my CD player, I'm listening to Burzum's music, not Varg Vikernes' idiotic ramblings. Especially his whole "UFO" theories.

agreed. its not about the messege of a band but the music itsself. and what are these ufo theorys you speak of ? XD

At 12/21/05 04:44 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote: hail the metal \m/
i'd like to join up, i love meeting other metalheads, well, the ones that don't bash my taste anyways. i love way too many bands to name, so ill just put like the last 20 artists that were on my playlist.
Nothingface

No.

Skyfire

Yes.

Morbid Angel

Yes.

Opeth

Yes.

Trigger Point

No.

Nevermore

Yes

DisasterCompleX (local, kick ass)

N/A

Tommorow's Tragedy (also local)

N/A

Silent Civilian

No.

Demon Hunter

No.

Bullet For My Valentine

Yes.

Manntis

No.

Bury Your Dead

No.

Diecast

No.

It Dies Today

Yes.

The Dillenger Escape Plan

No.

CoB

Yes.

Botch

No.

In Flames

Yes.

Dying Fetus

Yes

ok, some of them might be hardcore instead of metal, but my open mind sometimes gets the better of me ;)

9 Yes out of 18. 9 No out of 18. Post one more metal band and you're in. The locals don't count since we've never really heard them. =]

At 12/21/05 04:44 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote: hail the metal \m/
i'd like to join up, i love meeting other metalheads, well, the ones that don't bash my taste anyways. i love way too many bands to name, so ill just put like the last 20 artists that were on my playlist.
Nothingphail

no

Skyphail

I dunno

Morbid Angel

yesss sir

Opeth

yesss sir

Trigger Point

never heard of them

Neverphail

Yesss sir

DisasterphailX (local, kick ass)

n/a

Tommorow's Tragedy (also local)

n/a

Silent Civilian

never heard of em

Demon phailer

never heard of em

Phail For My Valentine

never heard of em

Manntis

yes... I suppose

Phail Your Dead

never heard

Phailcast

never heard

It Phails Today

no

The Dillenger Escape Phail

no

Children of Phail

yes yes yes yes yes

Botch

never heard

In Phails

never heard

Phailing Fetus

ok, some of them might be hardcore instead of metal, but my open mind sometimes gets the better of me ;)

list a couple more metal bands.

I got Slayer's Reign in Blood from a friend. I used to hate Slayer, but I hafta admit, I kinda like this cd.

IDK what I'm getting for Christmas, I dont wanna know.
- I do wanna check out 1349, I read a blurb about them a while back and have been trying to get around to listening to them.

Ghoul - my fav Meshuggah cd is actually "I", but I havent bought Catch 33 or Destroy/Erase/Improve, so I will withold my final decision until I've listening to those

At 12/21/05 04:44 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote: Demon Hunter

dude seriously, mostly cool bands listed, but this one fails SO bad it spoils everything IMO.
Just read this and scratch them from your playlist forever for your own metalsake :P
http://www.mtvhell.c..ummerofdarkness.html

*scroll down his playlist a bit*
Entombed
Mercyful Fate
Carcass
Mayhem
Manowar
Emperor

At 12/21/05 08:17 PM, duffeknol wrote:

At 12/21/05 04:44 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote: Demon Hunter

dude seriously, mostly cool bands listed, but this one fails SO bad it spoils everything IMO.
Just read this and scratch them from your playlist forever for your own metalsake :P
http://www.mtvhell.c..ummerofdarkness.html

i have one song by them, that doesnt mean im a fucking poser goth or whatever that article was saying man. and god fucking forbid someone like me would just listen to the music instead of worry about what 'scene' it makes me look like.
i refuse to delete a song from my playlist because some elitist death metal prick who wrote some article said it was gay. i laugh. being a metalhead and being a metal elitist are two different things, the latter being worse than any other 'scene' kid in existance.
g'day ^_^

Hail, good on you, dont listen to what people say, its your own opinion. \m/ METAL MOTHERFUCKER!

At 12/21/05 07:10 PM, deathofself wrote: Well, since it's been around a YEAR since I've been around, I think I should rejoin.

My list.

Children Of Phail

gewd

Metallica (until after the Black album)

Gewd

Unearth

gewd

Amora Savant

??

Emperor

GEWD

Nehemiah

gewd

Phailing Never

??

7 Angels 7 Phails

??

Throwdown

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

The Red Phail

??

As I Lay Phailing

gewd... I guess

Phailthisday

??

Bloodlined Calligraphy

Sounds good

Phailing Civilian

I guess not

That'll do for now I guess.

Sounds like your back in... mebbe. I dunno, ask later.

At 12/21/05 09:32 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote: *scroll down his playlist a bit*
Entombed
Mercyful Fate
Carcass
Mayhem
Manowar
Emperor

They're all gewd (maybe except Entombed, but that's just opinion) yer in.

At 12/21/05 09:49 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote:

i have one song by them, that doesnt mean im a fucking poser goth or whatever that article was saying man. and god fucking forbid someone like me would just listen to the music instead of worry about what 'scene' it makes me look like.
i refuse to delete a song from my playlist because some elitist death metal prick who wrote some article said it was gay. i laugh. being a metalhead and being a metal elitist are two different things, the latter being worse than any other 'scene' kid in existance.
g'day ^_^

I've been waiting for someone else to bring up that point. All hail to you. I share the exact same feelings with the fact I like Slipknot and Rammstein, and everyone in Crap_Clock's "Greatest Metal songs" or what ever topic said they weren't 'real' metal. Metal Elitism is exactly what this club used to be against, embracing all types of metal, and then it all got ruined once the old guard realised this place was getting big, and decided to put 'filters' into how people could join. I, personally, am DISGUSTED that there's this whole "You gotta list more 'real' metal bands than 'poser' metal bands before you can get in" bullshit that stinks more of KKK enlistment techniques than a genuine fun club. We're not meant to be running a fucking dictatorship here people!

At 12/21/05 07:41 PM, X_Imperium_X wrote: I got Slayer's Reign in Blood from a friend. I used to hate Slayer, but I hafta admit, I kinda like this cd.

Get their first album as well, it's more interesting than Reign In Blood I think.

Hey look... I am an elitist as well... This doesnt mean I hate people who listen to bad music and that I am hostile towards them. On the contrary, if they are willing to become what people call tr00, I am in to help and advise and lend them my cds and stuff. I just dont want people who are NOT willing to learn, read, listen and dedicate some time on metal to be whining amongst people who are trying to make a serious metal oriented discussion.

To be honest, I quite like Rammstein as well. The thing is that, to call yourself a metalhead, you need to like metal, for which you need to KNOW metal. This means that no matter what you LIKE, you have to know some of the rest as well. For exaple I dont like bands like Angra and Rhapsody. Just not my taste. None the less, as everyone should, I dedicated five or ten minutes reading on them, I listened to their music by borrowing their cds, etc. Why? Because they are important bands, whether I like them or not.

The people that want to join and know ONLY nu-metal bands, are not metallers. They are NU-metallers, and nothing more. Half of them do not even know who Anthrax or Megadeth are. By discouraging people that do not LOVE metal into pretending they do to appear tough, I am just trying help them find their REAL identity, keep the metal community healthy and honest and in a way I encourage them to research, spend time and get to KNOW the music they supposedly like.

If deep inside them these people are nothing like what they are trying to be, if metal music is not really for them, then I think they would be happier being amongst the mainstream, and so would we.

At 12/22/05 08:50 AM, Lord_IndustrialDarth wrote:

At 12/21/05 09:49 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote:

i have one song by them, that doesnt mean im a fucking poser goth or whatever that article was saying man. and god fucking forbid someone like me would just listen to the music instead of worry about what 'scene' it makes me look like.
i refuse to delete a song from my playlist because some elitist death metal prick who wrote some article said it was gay. i laugh. being a metalhead and being a metal elitist are two different things, the latter being worse than any other 'scene' kid in existance.
g'day ^_^

I've been waiting for someone else to bring up that point. All hail to you. I share the exact same feelings with the fact I like Slipknot and Rammstein, and everyone in Crap_Clock's "Greatest Metal songs" or what ever topic said they weren't 'real' metal. Metal Elitism is exactly what this club used to be against, embracing all types of metal, and then it all got ruined once the old guard realised this place was getting big, and decided to put 'filters' into how people could join. I, personally, am DISGUSTED that there's this whole "You gotta list more 'real' metal bands than 'poser' metal bands before you can get in" bullshit that stinks more of KKK enlistment techniques than a genuine fun club. We're not meant to be running a fucking dictatorship here people!

Cool down there, sparky. We're not trying to say what's "poser" metal and what's "tr00" metal, we're just trying to keep it metal. I don't know what got the bug up Duffeknol's ass, but he's a metal elitist, period. That's life. What the rest of us are doing are trying to put moderate controls to make sure that there is actually METAL being talked about. That means no hardcore or mallcore. Is that much to ask? I sure hope not. If someone tried to get in on bands like autumn to ashes and throwdown and devildriver, and he tried to pass that off as metal, we would all scoff and chase him away. But if he acknowledged that the said bands aren't metal, and was willing to experiment with metal, then we would let him in. Simple as that. And yes, Slipknot and Rammstein's greatness may be a matter of opinion, but it is well established that both are heavy rock, not metal. Thanks for bringing up that point. This isn't a dictatorship, we're just trying to keep genres like hardcore and heavy rock out and keep the discussion focused on metal, not other genres.

Well put Ghoul. Hell, go back and see the bands I joined on, and they barely passed. I listen to a hell of a lot more metal now, largely in part to this thread, whether it be elitist or not. I know that we dont require all black metal to get it, just some quality metal or sincere and quality interest. Those are the only real requirements.

erm, industrialdarth may have interperated my defensive speel a little differently. i was merely stating that i wouldnt stand for such an article that was posted in my direction. im against scenes, but im not a scene hater, scene haters are just as bad. they make the problem bigger if you ask me, by constantly bitching and complaining about it.
i listen to what i like, and metal just happens to get the blood pumping. i have no intrest in a full death metal playlist. Morbid Angel, Nevermore, Mayhem, Motorhead were bands that all inspired me to start playing guitar 5 years ago. just because they kick ass (my own opinion of course) doesnt mean i dont allow myself to listen to stuff outside their genres. actually, im a big fan of 40 below summer *omg gasp blasphemy* yes, a lame ass nu-metal rapcore band. a lot of their songs make me wanna jump, so a lot of their songs i have.
i like to join up crews/forums like this to broaden my horizons...not to argue about taste.
like i said, im pretty open minded. (although highly opinionated) ;)

At 12/22/05 06:07 PM, X_Imperium_X wrote: Well put Ghoul. Hell, go back and see the bands I joined on, and they barely passed. I listen to a hell of a lot more metal now, largely in part to this thread, whether it be elitist or not. I know that we dont require all black metal to get it, just some quality metal or sincere and quality interest. Those are the only real requirements.

Hehe yes shit club has helped broaden my musical tastes too. When i joined i only barely listened to a bit of cannibal corpse and deicide, now i listen to shit loads of underground death and grind bands :D When i joined i listened to slipknot and music like that. When i started listening to more death metal i sorta put slipknot and everything behind me and havent really listened to them since. Well apart from disturbed and SOAD..i hear it at school all the time. Anyways i think as long as you are willing to give some real metal bands a try, you should be able to get in the club. HAILS METAL \m/

At 12/22/05 07:41 PM, X_AntiherO_X wrote: erm, industrialdarth may have interperated my defensive speel a little differently. i was merely stating that i wouldnt stand for such an article that was posted in my direction. im against scenes, but im not a scene hater, scene haters are just as bad. they make the problem bigger if you ask me, by constantly bitching and complaining about it.
i listen to what i like, and metal just happens to get the blood pumping. i have no intrest in a full death metal playlist. Morbid Angel, Nevermore, Mayhem, Motorhead were bands that all inspired me to start playing guitar 5 years ago. just because they kick ass (my own opinion of course) doesnt mean i dont allow myself to listen to stuff outside their genres. actually, im a big fan of 40 below summer *omg gasp blasphemy* yes, a lame ass nu-metal rapcore band. a lot of their songs make me wanna jump, so a lot of their songs i have.
i like to join up crews/forums like this to broaden my horizons...not to argue about taste.
like i said, im pretty open minded. (although highly opinionated) ;)

Good. I have no problem with people having tastes outside of metal, just as long as they are willing to try out metal and like it. I listen to a lot of ambient/electronica and that's DEFINITELY not metal (Mortiis, Plasma Pool, Ulver, Burzum, Wongraven, Aborym, Professor Fate). I even make a lot of ambient electronica myself (Rain on My Ashes, In The Winter Lies the Warmth (well pretty much 70% of the album), etc...) and I am still an active member of the metal hell. I'm pretty open minded, I just like dark, depressing, nihilistic music. I also use a lot of keyboard effects in my music, and many metal elitists would cringe at that.

However, I still listen to a FUCKING SHITLOAD of metal (everyone knows that) and Duffeknol is just being, well, Duffeknol. Ignore him.