At 12/19/11 01:44 PM, Bahamut wrote: Running Wild are second to last!

Only one more to post and I'll leave it with a hint. The album cover has a wintery feel to it.

King of the Nordic Twilight?

Oh wait, that hasn't a "wintery feel" to it, it creates a fucking "hell freezes over" atmopshere!

At 12/19/11 01:44 PM, Bahamut wrote: Running Wild are second to last!

Only one more to post and I'll leave it with a hint. The album cover has a wintery feel to it.

I don´t know...it´s Ensiferum - From Afar.It has a wintery feeling

Or it's "Sons of Northern Darkness", lol.

At 12/19/11 05:13 PM, Haggard wrote: Or it's "Sons of Northern Darkness", lol.

Except I already covered Immortal in October.

At 12/19/11 05:40 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 12/19/11 05:13 PM, Haggard wrote: Or it's "Sons of Northern Darkness", lol.

Except I already covered Immortal in October.

There can never be enough Immortal in any list. Also, there never can be enough Permafrost!

At 12/14/11 02:16 AM, JoeMation wrote: Well, Sense-Offender recommended me here. I'm mostly into obscure bands from the 80s and I'll be surprised if anyone here recognizes any of these bands.

Here's a small list of some bands I like
Volture, Striker, Skull Fist, Lordian Guard, Living Death, Brainfever, Overdrive, Salem's Wych, Cannon, Metal Priest, Sinner, Villain, Metal Law, Adam Bomb, Crimson Glory (1 2).

Haha, wow. Didn't expect to see a list like that here. Anyway, I only know Crimson Glory, though I've only listened to them once or twice. Do I win anything?

At 12/17/11 11:02 AM, K2LU wrote: Dear god, I need some good black metal to listen to. Recs much appreciated.

I'm pretty sure I recommended you a few bands a while back, did you listen to them? Anyway, be a good girl and go listen to some Master's Hammer.

At 12/19/11 06:30 PM, Haggard wrote: There can never be enough Immortal in any list. Also, there never can be enough Permafrost!

I can't deny the awesomeness of Abbath but he had his spotlight already. He has to make way for next and the final band.

Is Hardcore welcome here?

I'm not really into like black metal or death metal or even just normal metal.

I just want to be accepted.

At 12/20/11 11:25 PM, Kevin wrote: Is Hardcore welcome here?

sorry, no. Try the nu metal/metalcore crew. I don't think they're active, but maybe it will be again if you bump it.

Friends, Romans, metalheads, I have just acquired the first album by Amorphis in all its old-school death metal glory. It also comes with their first EP, and I must say, it's pretty fucking brutal. Check them out.

Hello metalheads, you all may not remember me concidering its be 1000+ pages since my last post on Metal Hell. And clearly that was a long time ago. And the band and album out of my list that gave me entry was, Sleep Dopesmoker. Also, I am the son of the only remaining original horseman, my father batman64. Which makes me his son. The son of an original horseman. But, anyway i decided to make an long awaited return to Hell. It's been a long time coming and i have returned.

At 12/21/11 06:01 AM, thecrow89 wrote: Also, I am the son of the only remaining original horseman, my father batman64. Which makes me his son. The son of an original horseman. But, anyway i decided to make an long awaited return to Hell. It's been a long time coming and i have returned.

Welcome back then, son of Bill.

So, what bands do you like?

Opeth, Amon Amarth, Black Sabbath, Sleep, Turisas, shit there's to many to list. I listen to way to much to even list. And I don't listen to only metal either. I expand my music horizon to many different genres. But I grew up on mostly metal. But I'm not a music racist. Especially when each genre has many sub-genres within them. If i like it, I listen. If I don't I don't listen to it. Metal may be in my blood, but music is my life. It's all a form of artistic language, each with its own way of saying things.

At 12/21/11 06:01 AM, thecrow89 wrote: Hello metalheads, you all may not remember me concidering its be 1000+ pages since my last post on Metal Hell. And clearly that was a long time ago. And the band and album out of my list that gave me entry was, Sleep Dopesmoker. Also, I am the son of the only remaining original horseman, my father batman64. Which makes me his son. The son of an original horseman. But, anyway i decided to make an long awaited return to Hell. It's been a long time coming and i have returned.

It's certainly been a while since I last saw you. I'll admit, I did forgot your username but of course, a nice visit after a few years has reminded me. So how have you been since?

Sup' guys! I've been listening Cult of Luna, Gojira and not metal but also cool God Is An Astronaut

At 12/21/11 01:13 PM, Bahamut wrote: It's certainly been a while since I last saw you. I'll admit, I did forgot your username but of course, a nice visit after a few years has reminded me. So how have you been since?

Yeah it has been awhile. I've been good. Been a rather interesting past few years. But, then I was reminded of being on here and decided to make a return. And here I am. Back in hell.

At 12/21/11 06:21 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: So I just found out about MusicRadar's 25 greatest bassists of all time list.

At number 3, right front of Steve Harris and Cliff Burton is... Paul Gray.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

Also, Myung should not be number 1. And Les Claypool's placement at 13 is a fucking travesty.

As soon as I saw Paul Gray at 3, the list lost all credibility to me. Yeah, he was a decent musician (probably SlipKnot's best) but ahead of Cliff or Steve. No fucking way.

At 12/21/11 07:23 AM, thecrow89 wrote:

And I don't listen to only metal either. I expand my music horizon to many different genres. But I grew up on mostly metal. But I'm not a music racist. Especially when each genre has many sub-genres within them. If i like it, I listen. If I don't I don't listen to it. Metal may be in my blood, but music is my life. It's all a form of artistic language, each with its own way of saying things.

Damn that was very insipiring.

Me doing music with instruments

So people.. talking about Bill... he's going apeshit over some debate we started in here. Can someone look at thisand give me some kind of feedback? Thanks...

At 12/22/11 02:31 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So people.. talking about Bill... he's going apeshit over some debate we started in here. Can someone look at thisand give me some kind of feedback? Thanks...

He should lawyer up.

At 12/22/11 03:34 AM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 12/22/11 02:31 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So people.. talking about Bill... he's going apeshit over some debate we started in here. Can someone look at thisand give me some kind of feedback? Thanks...

He should lawyer up.

Problem is he isn't answering my question. He refuses to answer and whenever I suggest that we can support an artist by buying album, merchs or going to their show, he says I'm an ignorant retard, he insults my homeland and calls me a piece of shit...

I kind of feel bad... really. I never thought he could get so fucking pissed on such a minimal difference in points of views...

At 12/22/11 04:06 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 12/22/11 03:34 AM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 12/22/11 02:31 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So people.. talking about Bill... he's going apeshit over some debate we started in here. Can someone look at thisand give me some kind of feedback? Thanks...

He should lawyer up.

Problem is he isn't answering my question. He refuses to answer and whenever I suggest that we can support an artist by buying album, merchs or going to their show, he says I'm an ignorant retard, he insults my homeland and calls me a piece of shit...

I kind of feel bad... really. I never thought he could get so fucking pissed on such a minimal difference in points of views...

From what I see is that he said nothing wrong. He just stated something that happened many years ago. And then you went at him for it. It was just an innocent post with no harm done by it. Until you decided to try to intervene and tell him what to do. And he took offense to it. And plus can't anyone speak their mind these days or is it that when people do, it makes them a drug addict or a crazy person? Wrong. And now that he's banned for the time being people still downgrade him in a way. 1. My father is not a crazed drug addict. 2. People can speak their mind when they want to. 3. Maybe he's trying to get a little support, but instead he's called a troll, a drug addict, a crazed man, etc. 4. As his son, I support him 100%. 5. Think about it. If you were in the same boat as my father, wouldn't you do the same thing?

At 12/22/11 05:37 AM, thecrow89 wrote: From what I see is that he said nothing wrong. He just stated something that happened many years ago. And then you went at him for it. It was just an innocent post with no harm done by it. Until you decided to try to intervene and tell him what to do. And he took offense to it. And plus can't anyone speak their mind these days or is it that when people do, it makes them a drug addict or a crazy person? Wrong. And now that he's banned for the time being people still downgrade him in a way. 1. My father is not a crazed drug addict. 2. People can speak their mind when they want to. 3. Maybe he's trying to get a little support, but instead he's called a troll, a drug addict, a crazed man, etc. 4. As his son, I support him 100%. 5. Think about it. If you were in the same boat as my father, wouldn't you do the same thing?

Point is I didn't start this debate. He did. The previous News Post he made was a rage news post against the mod who banned him. And even before that, we were talking over the Private Message system. I never said he was a drug addict, never said he was crazy until he started speaking non-sense, insult my homeland, insult me, call me an ignorant for not sharing points of views and stating facts.

I also do not know what situation you are talking about. I don't know what problems he has, and what "boat" you are talking about. If he wants support, it's not by calling my a greedy son of a bitch for only stating that I thought it was ok to support artists with some money and that it was ok to make a living from your art., that you will get support.

I'm not downgrading him. And I feel kind of concerned that he's going so mad for such a little disagreement. I didn't tell him music should all be Bieber stuff and big corporations and labels should take over the world and make all music consumption goods and sell music like it's a fucking hot dog or something...

At 12/22/11 05:46 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 12/22/11 05:37 AM, thecrow89 wrote: From what I see is that he said nothing wrong. He just stated something that happened many years ago. And then you went at him for it. It was just an innocent post with no harm done by it. Until you decided to try to intervene and tell him what to do. And he took offense to it. And plus can't anyone speak their mind these days or is it that when people do, it makes them a drug addict or a crazy person? Wrong. And now that he's banned for the time being people still downgrade him in a way. 1. My father is not a crazed drug addict. 2. People can speak their mind when they want to. 3. Maybe he's trying to get a little support, but instead he's called a troll, a drug addict, a crazed man, etc. 4. As his son, I support him 100%. 5. Think about it. If you were in the same boat as my father, wouldn't you do the same thing?

Point is I didn't start this debate. He did. The previous News Post he made was a rage news post against the mod who banned him. And even before that, we were talking over the Private Message system. I never said he was a drug addict, never said he was crazy until he started speaking non-sense, insult my homeland, insult me, call me an ignorant for not sharing points of views and stating facts.

I also do not know what situation you are talking about. I don't know what problems he has, and what "boat" you are talking about. If he wants support, it's not by calling my a greedy son of a bitch for only stating that I thought it was ok to support artists with some money and that it was ok to make a living from your art., that you will get support.

I'm not downgrading him. And I feel kind of concerned that he's going so mad for such a little disagreement. I didn't tell him music should all be Bieber stuff and big corporations and labels should take over the world and make all music consumption goods and sell music like it's a fucking hot dog or something...

Well, never disrespecting your homeland until you disrespected ours, "It's not cause your country fears communism like it's a plague that it's 100%, retard." Isn't that disrespectful right there? All he said was that he'll go up to Quebec and teach you who he is. That has no disrespect to your homeland. But yours was. And I take offense to that. But, I'm gonna be a man about it and not start a confrontation about it.

At 12/22/11 06:00 AM, thecrow89 wrote: Well, never disrespecting your homeland until you disrespected ours, "It's not cause your country fears communism like it's a plague that it's 100%, retard." Isn't that disrespectful right there? All he said was that he'll go up to Quebec and teach you who he is. That has no disrespect to your homeland. But yours was. And I take offense to that. But, I'm gonna be a man about it and not start a confrontation about it.

Well don't. Just don't bring it here. I didn't mention this problem with Bill to start a flame war in here or have a debate over this.

But consider this first.

After we discussed the matter of selling and buying music and the matter of him getting banned by a mod, I told him this: I suggest you stop getting so mad at a mod for banning you, no matter how dumb you think they are. If it's behavior really bothers you, try talking to him or her over the Private Messaging system and if it doesn't work, try talking to Wade. He's a pretty cool guy. If you have big problems with someone and it can be solved by anyone, then try talking to him.

And that was his answer: excuse me? i tried talking and was ignored, I messaged tom because wade was not here. And you get a fuckkin attitude with ME for speaking my mind? How bout fuck you duff you ignorant french Bastard, give your fukkin quebec back to the natives and get your fukkin ass back to france if you do not believe one can simply speak their mind you ignorant fukk? simple enough?

Next time you want to quote me, don't quote me out of the context.

I didn't bring the topic to the Metal Hell to find out who started it, but rather to have the opinions of the members from the Metal Hell on the matter. Bill and I are some of the most active members of the Hell and both are Horsemen of the Hell. It bothers me quite a lot to see my relationship with him go down like that, and I really am wondering what the fuck is wrong with him right now, because he's insulting me, he refuses to answer my questions, yet he calls me ignorant, he insults my homeland, he claims he has the right to speak his mind, that it is free speach, but whenever I speak my mind, I'm not using my right to express myself, I'm being ignorant and I'm being "an ignorant tool who can not read simply and always chooses to open the wrong hole and defecates all over himself." And those are his own words.

At 12/22/11 06:17 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Well don't. Just don't bring it here. I didn't mention this problem with Bill to start a flame war in here or have a debate over this.

But consider this first.

After we discussed the matter of selling and buying music and the matter of him getting banned by a mod, I told him this: I suggest you stop getting so mad at a mod for banning you, no matter how dumb you think they are. If it's behavior really bothers you, try talking to him or her over the Private Messaging system and if it doesn't work, try talking to Wade. He's a pretty cool guy. If you have big problems with someone and it can be solved by anyone, then try talking to him.

And that was his answer: excuse me? i tried talking and was ignored, I messaged tom because wade was not here. And you get a fuckkin attitude with ME for speaking my mind? How bout fuck you duff you ignorant french Bastard, give your fukkin quebec back to the natives and get your fukkin ass back to france if you do not believe one can simply speak their mind you ignorant fukk? simple enough?

Next time you want to quote me, don't quote me out of the context.

I didn't bring the topic to the Metal Hell to find out who started it, but rather to have the opinions of the members from the Metal Hell on the matter. Bill and I are some of the most active members of the Hell and both are Horsemen of the Hell. It bothers me quite a lot to see my relationship with him go down like that, and I really am wondering what the fuck is wrong with him right now, because he's insulting me, he refuses to answer my questions, yet he calls me ignorant, he insults my homeland, he claims he has the right to speak his mind, that it is free speach, but whenever I speak my mind, I'm not using my right to express myself, I'm being ignorant and I'm being "an ignorant tool who can not read simply and always chooses to open the wrong hole and defecates all over himself." And those are his own words.

Well, yeah words were said and a confrontation was started. I'm just standing up for my father. We all have shit that goes on in our lives that clouds our judgement of things and people get pissed easy about even the smallest things. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with my father, just a lot of stress from several months of hell. I'm not here to make enemies at all. All i look for is Metal Hell to be the way it used to be. A family of people. But I see that it's not like that anymore. Many people that were on here have left because of all the bullshit that was brought here. What the fuck happened to all the peace within this club. Maybe it's time to make some fucking changes in here. Time to finally get Metal Hell back to the way it once was.

At 12/22/11 06:40 AM, thecrow89 wrote: Well, yeah words were said and a confrontation was started. I'm just standing up for my father. We all have shit that goes on in our lives that clouds our judgement of things and people get pissed easy about even the smallest things. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with my father, just a lot of stress from several months of hell. I'm not here to make enemies at all. All i look for is Metal Hell to be the way it used to be. A family of people. But I see that it's not like that anymore. Many people that were on here have left because of all the bullshit that was brought here. What the fuck happened to all the peace within this club. Maybe it's time to make some fucking changes in here. Time to finally get Metal Hell back to the way it once was.

The way it seems to me, is that Duff is acting like a concerned family member. He simply brought it here to try and find out if anyone knew if anything was wrong with Bill. he was just trying to find out so he could perhaps help or act differently in order to make things easier for Bill. Duff here is trying to act like a family member, and you don't need to jump him for being concerned. He was acting out of concern of a fellow member of the Hell and a fellow Horseman. Why the fuck should you jump him for that?

At 12/22/11 06:40 AM, thecrow89 wrote: Well, yeah words were said and a confrontation was started. I'm just standing up for my father. We all have shit that goes on in our lives that clouds our judgement of things and people get pissed easy about even the smallest things. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with my father, just a lot of stress from several months of hell. I'm not here to make enemies at all. All i look for is Metal Hell to be the way it used to be. A family of people. But I see that it's not like that anymore. Many people that were on here have left because of all the bullshit that was brought here. What the fuck happened to all the peace within this club. Maybe it's time to make some fucking changes in here. Time to finally get Metal Hell back to the way it once was.

I still feel like Bill tried to powerbomb me with words. It's kind of sad considering how Bill and I used to live along. We were always friendly. And now, over a simple disagreement he tries to fuck me up real hard. Yes, I did confront him, after all he said to me, of course I did confront him...

I can consider Bill's situation and how stressed he his when talking to him, but dude... he's not even making sense half of the time in that debate. He still gets pissed... Like... when he calls me greedy for stating we can support artists with money. How can that make me greedy? I'm the one who's willing to pay money to help someone and he says I'm greedy. I don't remember Bill ever stating such non-sense and getting that pissed in the past. We all know he isn't the most patient guy... but damn! Now that's hardcore anger against me.

At 12/22/11 12:20 PM, Zodir wrote: The way it seems to me, is that Duff is acting like a concerned family member. He simply brought it here to try and find out if anyone knew if anything was wrong with Bill. he was just trying to find out so he could perhaps help or act differently in order to make things easier for Bill. Duff here is trying to act like a family member, and you don't need to jump him for being concerned. He was acting out of concern of a fellow member of the Hell and a fellow Horseman. Why the fuck should you jump him for that?

I'm concerned of course. It seems like Bill is having an hard time and I'd like to know what's going on.

Plus, I needed to get someone feedback on the debate itself. Maybe someone could tell me if I missed one of his points or if he missed one of mine. If we have some difficulty understanding each others points or if we simply disagree. I was trying to get some people who know us both to take a look at the situation. The biggest problem when two individuals get into a fight is that they get so confrontional after some point that they refuse to even try to understand the other person. Getting more people involved to get another point of view on the situation might help...

Plus, I still feel that debating whether or not music can be sold can be an interresting debate to have in here. Except we have to respect each others...

At 12/21/11 06:21 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Also, Myung should not be number 1. And Les Claypool's placement at 13 is a fucking travesty.

Even if you only listen to Sailing the Seas of Cheese, you can tell Les is an excellent bass player.

At 12/22/11 02:31 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So people.. talking about Bill... he's going apeshit over some debate we started in here. Can someone look at thisand give me some kind of feedback? Thanks...

I find all of this depressing. It's a damn shame it turned to this for both of you.