I know this was written in 2009, but I never heard of it before today.

This article named WYNJO: SEVERE CONTRAST is about Gaahl, former vocalist of Gorgoroth.

At 8/14/11 02:18 PM, AniMetal wrote:

You know what guys? I love opeth, but i'm fucking sick of talking about them in this club. hahahaha It seems like they come up once every page.

You're right. We should talk about metallica more. They're pretty underground right?

At 8/14/11 04:41 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: You're right. We should talk about metallica more. They're pretty underground right?

I actually wouldn't mind discussing Metallica once in a blue moon.

They, very surprisingly, almost never come up in here.

Actually, thrash metal as a whole is rarely a topic in this club i've noticed. Unless it's "LOL I WANT THRASH RECOMMENDATIONS"

At 8/14/11 04:47 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/14/11 04:41 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: You're right. We should talk about metallica more. They're pretty underground right?

I actually wouldn't mind discussing Metallica once in a blue moon.

They, very surprisingly, almost never come up in here.

It's because everybody is afraid to admit liking them. Because s/he fears everybody will respond with: "LOL GET OUT YOU FUCKING MANISTREAM SUCKER OLOLOL!"

That being said, I love Metallica.

Yeah, metallica hating is such a trend.

The trends of metallica went:
"METALLICA IS AWESOME" (80's)
"METALLICA IS LESS AWESOME NOW, BUT THEY WERE MORE AWESOME BEFORE" (early/mid 90's)
"METALLICA SUCK NOW, BUT THEY WERE AWESOME ONCE" (late 90's)
"METALLICA ARE SUCH FUCKING DICKS, BUT THEY WERE GREAT IN THE 80'S" (early/mid 00's)
"METALLICA ALWAYS SUCKED" (now)

I love all of their 80's stuff. And the black album and death magnetic are both decent. My opinion.

I strongly dislike Metallica.

It's just no contest between them and Megadeth.

I'm going to have to agree.

The first four metallica albums were awesome.

The first six megadeth albums were awesome.

But if I had to chose between the first four metallica albums or the first six megadeth albums, i'd easily chose the metallica ones.

Both bands suck now though. hahaha

Type O Negative - Wolf Moon

At 8/14/11 05:17 PM, SomaGuye wrote: I strongly dislike Metallica.

It's just no contest between them and Megadeth.

I'd much rather listen to Metallica over Megadeth. Dave's voice gets annoying sometimes.

At 8/14/11 05:35 PM, Piggler wrote: Are we finally talking about thrash now? Thrash is the only metal I listen to :<<

No, we are just going over the same boring and never-ending Megadeth VS Metallica debate.

Let's not compare the two please... I'd like us to look at Metallica's work without the usual references to Megadetht and how better or worst they are.

At 8/14/11 05:35 PM, Piggler wrote: Are we finally talking about thrash now? Thrash is the only metal I listen to :<<

So basically, you COULD listen to lot more.

Especially considering all power, death and black metal all started off as thrash.

And even bands like type o negative, or groove metal bands like exhorder and pantera, were all heavily thrash influenced at one point or another...

Anyone heard of Dragonland? They were in the suggestion window for a Symphony X song.

At 8/14/11 06:07 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Anyone heard of Dragonland? They were in the suggestion window for a Symphony X song.

Yes, amazing power metal.

They're nothing like Symphony X though... in any way...

But either way, amazing band. I particularly enjoy Starfall, but all their albums are good.

At 8/14/11 05:24 PM, Anti-pie wrote:

At 8/14/11 05:17 PM, SomaGuye wrote: I strongly dislike Metallica.

It's just no contest between them and Megadeth.

I'd much rather listen to Metallica over Megadeth. Dave's voice gets annoying sometimes.

Id rather listen to Slayer over Metallica and Megadeth, also duff listen! Galhammer

I don't care much for Torche. I don't like their style of sludge. And I definitely consider sludge metal to be genuine, legitimate metal. Actually, I'd say it's "more metal" than a lot of other metal. Lesbian is one of the metallest of the metal, the way I see it.

At 8/9/11 12:05 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So I decided to give Ephel Duath a listen after hearing about them a while ago. I don't know if I just happened to pick their worst song, but I did not like it at all. I thought the vocals were awful and I didn't hear any jazz. Only someone running up and down melodic minor scales.

They're definitely an acquired taste. I dig 'em. And I'm pretty sure Idio likes them. I could not bring myself to understand their appeal when I first listened to them a few years ago, but I appreciate them now. I think they come up with some interesting sounds. If you don't dig the weirdness, you might still like Phormula. It's a little less avan-garde and a little more metal.

At 8/9/11 03:25 PM, batman64 wrote: So all I do is get high and listen to stoner metal?

I think you may have overreacted just a bit. And nobody wants you to leave, I'm sure.

Early Deep Purple is More Metal than 1/2 the fucking Prog shit You fucks call Metal

I agree. And even if I'm wrong, they were fucking great. I hardly even care that they ripped off other artists sometimes. I mean, yeah, Child in Time is a ripoff (I forgot the name of the band that they copied) but it's so good, and Ian Gillan freaking kills it. He's just a phenomenal vocalist.

At 8/9/11 03:23 PM, J-Rex wrote: Faith No More I think was metal but then in the 90's with there new singer they might have gone nu-metal/metal.

Those were both Mike Patton. And he is the man.

At 8/10/11 09:12 AM, AniMetal wrote: Not too unusual. There's like 50 Pharaoh covers on youtube.... and it's not the riffs that are fucked up in any of them, it's the bassist that fucks it up each time.

Thomas Miller. <3

Now that you mention it, the bass in Pharaoh is freaking sick. I don't understand why you don't like Michael LePond, though. I think he's come up with some nice bass lines. If there's anyone I don't much care for in Symphony X, it's Michael Pinella. He's not that bad, but he comes up with some hokey fucking melodies on the keyboard, as is the case with very many metal keyboardists. Sverd is one of the few I can think of who is pretty much always good and not goofy. Another one is whoever does the keyboards for Chaos Moon. Even Jordan freaking Rudess comes up with dumb shit sometimes, and he's just awesome. And don't get me started on that showoff Derek Sherinian, though I must say Planet X is a kickass prog group. The rhythms are so good.

At 8/10/11 09:12 AM, AniMetal wrote: Actually, every black metal band i've seen that was super dressed up or corpsepainted up has sucked. The times i've seen ones that don't, like goatwhore(okay, BLACKENED death metal) and rotting christ, the shows were amazing.

I think Mayhem is pretty good. There's plenty of better black metal out there, but they ain't bad. And I think Anubi used corpse paint. They were okay. And I'm sure there's at least one other band I've heard and liked that used corpse paint. Didn't Venom use corpse paint? And some corpse paint can look pretty well gnarly and awesome, like the face paint for the members of Gorgoroth. I've never listened to them, but they look pretty wicked.

They're just obnoxious sounding. All harsh vocals are.

But you just said you liked Rotting Christ and Goatwhore. And didn't you say that you like Lesbian, and a bunch of other sludge bands with harsh vocals? Is it that you appreciate the instrumentals enough to tolerate the vocals? I was that way for a bit when I started getting to the heavier side of metal. The first time I can recall actually enjoying hearing the sound of harsh vocals was when I was listening to Agalloch for the first time. Also, I very much disagree. There are very many awesome bands with great agressive vocals.

At 8/10/11 09:48 AM, K2LU wrote: This. Pretty meh if you ask me.

I figured it would sound pretty much like this. I agree, meh.

At 8/10/11 05:12 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: If only you didn't like Bathory our taste in Black Metal would be just the same.

I think Bathory was decent, but overrated. Quorthon wasn't a very good vocalist, and he tried to go beyond his range often, and completely fucked up, including on songs from Nordland I and II, as revered as that album is (probably second only to the self titled or maybe Blood Fire Death). But have you heard Bathory or Blood Fire Death? If you like thrashy, old school black metal, those albums should be right up your alley. They're quite good.

Also, if you like Rotting Christ check out Moonspell.

I still haven't checked them out. I will do so if I don't forget.

At 8/10/11 06:26 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I don't think it's used to show how evil they are. And like AniMetal said, most of the people from the Black Metal scene don't even wear make-up.

Unless I'm mistaken, I think corpse paint was made big because of dead. Alice Cooper did it before he did, but it was a more unique kind of thing at the time, which he did because he wanted to resemble a corpse. He would even bury his clothing the night before a show to be more dead-like. And gee what a shocker it was when he killed himself.

Again, don't fall into the stereotypes... Most bands are not satanic...

Yeah, that's bullshit. That became a common misconception because of the church burnings. People thought they were worshiping Satan, but if you actually bothered to listen to these people, it was because they were fed up with how lost their culture was thanks to Christianity. If you're going around saying that most black metal is satanic, you might as well go around saying most of it is racist National Socialist propaganda. In fact, I'm pretty well convinced that most so called "satanist black metal bands" are just using that as an image and don't believe in it one bit.

Still I do occasionally throw up the horns and yell "SATAN!" just cuz. I mean really, why be a Satanist when all that does is show that not only are you actually naive enough to believe in a Christian god, but are dumb enough to think that Satan would be your best pal when you go to hell? I'm talking about actual Satan-worshipping examples of fine genetic code, of course. real pieces of work.

You know, sometimes I think the world would be so much better if religion was completely abondoned by everybody on the planet and it was looked down on by everybody and seen for the silly archaic coping mechanism that it really is. But then, I think, holy shit can you imagine all those people who ask the asinine question "How can you be good without god? Where do you get your morals?" suddenly not believing in their god all at the same time. Who knows what kind of crazy shit would go down then. There's your fucking rapture.

Believe me dude, if I was in a Black Metal band, I'd do it just for the kicks.

If I were to do that, I think I'd try to come up with a style that stands out and looks at least a little unique and different from the usual face paint. Gorgoroth, for example, have a pretty unique style of corpse paint, in my opinion, and it looks crazy.

At 8/10/11 07:40 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/10/11 06:51 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So Duff, how is Opeth coming along for you?

Well... I still need to get some of their albums... I know I said I would do that a few weeks ago, but I still didn't start. I should get some albums as soon as possible, to finaly give it a go!

I know several people will disagree, but I actually recommend Blackwater Park, even if just for the Drapery Falls. I think it's one of their best songs. I also recommend Stlll Life because I also consider the Moor the be one of their best songs. This isn't coming from a big fan, though. I think they're decent, but kinda boring and mostly forgettable.

fucking character limit. I'll post this and read the rest.

I really have to stop drinking so much. I'm dehydrated to the point where my hands are stuck slightly clenched, my forearms are sore, and I'm having trouble typing. I'm still a little nauseous, so all I can drink is tap water, and in Goshen, the tap water has a clear taste of chlorine. eeeuugh

Also, does anybody know any good old school death metal? Not the boring stuff like Morbid Angel, but bands that actually have more than two songs that don't sound the same.

At 8/10/11 10:01 PM, smeagol1 wrote: I take back what I saide about the Burzum album Belus DOD

I've wanted to check out Burzum, but I'm pretty put off by Varg's personality, and it seems to me that he's a racist. Am I wrong? I heard that people disagree on whether or not he's a National Socialist. Then again he was in Mayhem, which I enjoy hearing now and then. Plus Hellhammer is kind of a cock and he's pretty homophobic, too, which is pretty much just as bad as racism. He's just such a phenomenal drummer and he's been in like 5 different bands that are just awesome, including Arcturus and Kovenant/the Covenant.

At 8/11/11 03:01 PM, AniMetal wrote: NOT as doom metal.

Eh, I call 'em stoner doom metal.

I think their should be multiple genres. While I love both this and this, I don't see how the fuck they can be the same genre.

What do you think of Night of the Shape. It's completely non-metal, but awesome. It's one of my favorite songs by them.

Downloaded both Angel Dust and The Real Thing. Thanks guys. :D

Will listen to them later.

You should definitely consider getting Album of the Year. I think Strip Search is probably their best song ever. Though I guess it appeals more to the stoner crowd. I dunno, but it's very chill shit and I never get tired of it.

At 8/11/11 03:14 PM, SomaGuye wrote: This is like the most awesome thing ever.

I don't always agree with you on music, but I definitely think you have good taste in post rocky sludge metal.

At 8/11/11 10:06 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote: Whoa, holy fuck...when was the last time I posted here? Must have been eons ago.

Grave is coming here on September 3rd and I'll most likely go out to see them. I suppose that's one of the few things I have to look forward to.

How have you been? Last time you posted, you seemed to be depressed and going though some shit. Did you graduate yet? You were going to SUNY Newpaltz, right? Newpaltz is an awesome hippyish place with lots of cool stores, especially liquid. I almost got myself a really nice grinder last time I was there, but thought "meh".

At 8/12/11 04:24 PM, mothballs wrote: Sounds like the complete opposite to me.

I haven't listened to Marduk much, but I was very disappointed in their version of he Funeral March.

Also, if I like Mayhem, would I be likely to enjoy Darkthrone?

At 8/12/11 05:01 PM, K2LU wrote: What would be some good music to listen to when you're... say... pissed off?

If you don't mind risking a burst blood vessel, Anaal Nathrakh...I think I spelled that right. Or Akerkocke, or Fleshgod Apocalypse, or Death, of course. And if you like old school death metal, try Disincarnate, one of my favorite old school death metal bands.

At 8/12/11 05:18 PM, JaY11 wrote:

At 8/12/11 05:01 PM, K2LU wrote: What would be some good music to listen to when you're... say... pissed off?

Gorguts - Faceless Ones

Yeah, Gorguts is good. pretty damn heavy.

At 8/14/11 04:08 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Ihsahn

Trust me, all of his albums are fantastic.

At 8/14/11 04:47 PM, AniMetal wrote: Actually, thrash metal as a whole is rarely a topic in this club i've noticed. Unless it's "LOL I WANT THRASH RECOMMENDATIONS"

Not that many people here seem to be all that into thrash. I love thrash, old and new.

Also, you should check out this old school Chilean thrash metal band Disaster. Criaturas del Mal is their only album, but it's sick. Real, mean, aggressive thrash metal.

At 8/14/11 05:35 PM, Piggler wrote: Are we finally talking about thrash now? Thrash is the only metal I listen to :<<

Dude, if you want to talk about thrash, go ahead and try to start a conversation. It would be refreshing, really. We seriously don't discuss thrash enough.

Also, I think Megadeth is far better. Maybe Dave isn't such a great vocalist, but he ain't so bad, plus the instrumentals are so much better, especially when Friedman, Ellefson, and Menza were still in the band. I don't see why some people think they're not good anymore. They're not as good as they used to be, but the System Has Failed and United Abominations were still damn goodd to my ears. I haven't heard that newer album, though. Also, Youthanasia is so damn underrated. It had a lot of awesome songs. Still, I like Metallica. Pretty Much everything up until Load is at least decent, if not awesome.

At 8/13/11 06:37 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

At 8/13/11 06:35 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: There's also Deliverance

I've not heard the entire album but I like Beneath the Mire

So it's worth checking out i'd say

That's Ghost Reveries.

Damn, I suck I need to evict myself from the group immediately.

I'm sorry everyone

At 8/14/11 11:56 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Also, does anybody know any good old school death metal? Not the boring stuff like Morbid Angel, but bands that actually have more than two songs that don't sound the same.

Phlebotomized. My absolute favorite DM band.
Frikh
Depravity
Purtenance
Crystal Age
Corpse
Shub Niggurath (thanks Dalnaki)
Disharmonic Orchestra Very Bebop style drumming here
Infernal Decay
Fermenting Innards Old-School black/death
Not Old-School, but Repugnant play primitive sounding dm, while not being retro-worship or generic.

Hope you like those. Also, I checked out Manilla's new album today. I don't see why so many people hate the production. Sure the whole retro thing could have been better executed, but you gotta admit, it gives a pretty memorable atmosphere. And I really like how the first half of "Art of War" sounds like something off Mark of the Beast.

I finally got the Agent That Shapes the Desert by Virus.

At 8/15/11 12:51 AM, Tobi wrote: Phlebotomized. My absolute favorite DM band.

thanks much. I already know Phlebotomized, but I'll check out the rest.

This week for Metal Monday: Savatage!

At 8/14/11 05:10 PM, Haggard wrote: It's because everybody is afraid to admit liking them. Because s/he fears everybody will respond with: "LOL GET OUT YOU FUCKING MANISTREAM SUCKER OLOLOL!"

I thought it was because we talked about them so much that there isn't much new to add. However, I will want to say this:

Ride the Lightning > Master of Puppets

Does Master of Puppets have Fight Fire with Fire or For Whom the Bell Tolls? Seriously, Ride the Lightning is an easy top 5 contender for my personal favourite metal albums.

At 8/14/11 11:56 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: They're not as good as they used to be, but the System Has Failed and United Abominations were still damn goodd to my ears.

Endgame is even better, I assure you.

I haven't heard that newer album, though. Also, Youthanasia is so damn underrated. It had a lot of awesome songs.

I agree. Youthanasia is a damn good album. Maybe a filler or two found in the album but it's still good nonetheless.

At 8/15/11 12:51 AM, Tobi wrote: Hope you like those. Also, I checked out Manilla's new album today.

Hooray, another Manilla Road fan!

I don't see why so many people hate the production.

Yeah, I've seen some mixed reviews just because of the production. I thought Spiral Castle and Gates of Fire had odd sound productions but now they've become adaptable to me. However, I will say that Playground of the Damned is one of the more stranger albums for sound production so this will easily turn off new listeners. Anyone who wants to try out Manilla Road should not start with this album.

At 8/14/11 11:22 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I think Mayhem is pretty good. There's plenty of better black metal out there, but they ain't bad. And I think Anubi used corpse paint. They were okay. And I'm sure there's at least one other band I've heard and liked that used corpse paint. Didn't Venom use corpse paint? And some corpse paint can look pretty well gnarly and awesome, like the face paint for the members of Gorgoroth. I've never listened to them, but they look pretty wicked.

I know a few good bands who uses corpsepaint. And if Mayhem and Gorgoroth are not good examples of great Black Metal bands who uses corpsepaint, then I don't know where we should be looking. Also, the band Anthelion has some of the most awesome corpsepaints I ever saw.

Gorgoroth members have great corpsepaints, indeed. Infernus and King (who isn't in the band anymore) are my favorites when it comes to corpsepaint and costumes. I love their armbands and suits. Plus, their music is pretty damn good :)

But you just said you liked Rotting Christ and Goatwhore. And didn't you say that you like Lesbian, and a bunch of other sludge bands with harsh vocals? Is it that you appreciate the instrumentals enough to tolerate the vocals? I was that way for a bit when I started getting to the heavier side of metal. The first time I can recall actually enjoying hearing the sound of harsh vocals was when I was listening to Agalloch for the first time. Also, I very much disagree. There are very many awesome bands with great agressive vocals.

Amen :)

Unless I'm mistaken, I think corpse paint was made big because of dead. Alice Cooper did it before he did, but it was a more unique kind of thing at the time, which he did because he wanted to resemble a corpse. He would even bury his clothing the night before a show to be more dead-like. And gee what a shocker it was when he killed himself.

Correct. Dead is the one who started the trend in Black Metal, or at least, the one who made it this big. I also really like Euronymus corpsepaint. Looks fucking krieg!

Yeah, that's bullshit. That became a common misconception because of the church burnings. People thought they were worshiping Satan, but if you actually bothered to listen to these people, it was because they were fed up with how lost their culture was thanks to Christianity. If you're going around saying that most black metal is satanic, you might as well go around saying most of it is racist National Socialist propaganda. In fact, I'm pretty well convinced that most so called "satanist black metal bands" are just using that as an image and don't believe in it one bit.

Seing how these guys hated Christianity, it would make no sense for them to ever worship Satan... Why? Because in order to believe in Satan, you really have to believe in God... right? I'm pretty sure that a lot of these guys are atheists or deep into norse mythology.

You know, sometimes I think the world would be so much better if religion was completely abondoned by everybody on the planet and it was looked down on by everybody and seen for the silly archaic coping mechanism that it really is. But then, I think, holy shit can you imagine all those people who ask the asinine question "How can you be good without god? Where do you get your morals?" suddenly not believing in their god all at the same time. Who knows what kind of crazy shit would go down then. There's your fucking rapture.

It's sad to hear such stupid statements. I know that's not what you think, but some morons really think there cannot be any form of morality without the existance of a supernatural god.

At 8/14/11 11:56 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I've wanted to check out Burzum, but I'm pretty put off by Varg's personality, and it seems to me that he's a racist. Am I wrong? I heard that people disagree on whether or not he's a National Socialist. Then again he was in Mayhem, which I enjoy hearing now and then. Plus Hellhammer is kind of a cock and he's pretty homophobic, too, which is pretty much just as bad as racism. He's just such a phenomenal drummer and he's been in like 5 different bands that are just awesome, including Arcturus and Kovenant/the Covenant.

It sucks when you like some dickhead's music... That motherfucker from Peste Noire is one giant piece of retarded right-wing extremist turd. And yes, Varg is racist. Like you, I cannot seem to get into Burzum because of Varg.

Trust me, all of his albums are fantastic.

I trust you dude, I really like angL :)

Also, I think Megadeth is far better. Maybe Dave isn't such a great vocalist, but he ain't so bad, plus the instrumentals are so much better, especially when Friedman, Ellefson, and Menza were still in the band. I don't see why some people think they're not good anymore. They're not as good as they used to be, but the System Has Failed and United Abominations were still damn goodd to my ears. I haven't heard that newer album, though. Also, Youthanasia is so damn underrated. It had a lot of awesome songs. Still, I like Metallica. Pretty Much everything up until Load is at least decent, if not awesome.

I didn't really like United Abominations... but The System Has Failed was pretty fucking enjoyable, especially on tracks like Kick The Chair and Blackmail The Universe. But the line-up you mentionned was their best, and there is no way they will ever top what they did while these four guys were in the band. This is a line-up Metallica could only dream of.

Megadeth - The System Has Failed

What do you guys think about Catamenia? I just started listening to them again and I rediscovered I love them, melodic and intense stuff.

At 8/15/11 05:54 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Yeah, that's bullshit. That became a common misconception because of the church burnings. People thought they were worshiping Satan, but if you actually bothered to listen to these people, it was because they were fed up with how lost their culture was thanks to Christianity. If you're going around saying that most black metal is satanic, you might as well go around saying most of it is racist National Socialist propaganda. In fact, I'm pretty well convinced that most so called "satanist black metal bands" are just using that as an image and don't believe in it one bit.

Read about LaVeyan Satanism.

At 8/15/11 04:50 AM, Bahamut wrote: Yeah, I've seen some mixed reviews just because of the production. I thought Spiral Castle and Gates of Fire had odd sound productions but now they've become adaptable to me.

Pretty much how I feel as well. Overall, I like how they aren't afraid to dabble and experiment, yet still manage to remain true to their traditional sound. They never seem to cut roots, but always grow out of them,

However, I will say that Playground of the Damned is one of the more stranger albums for sound production so this will easily turn off new listeners. Anyone who wants to try out Manilla Road should not start with this album.

Kinda depends on this one. It seems most metalheads discover Manilla Road long after they develop from their traditional roots. By the time they listen to them, they usually are also listening to the more extreme genres. Some of them will have a firm stance in their favorite genre.

Manilla Road, having a pretty and varied discography, could appease to most metalheads, regardless of stance. Playground, Voyager, and Atlantis Rising, being Manilla's darker albums, (The 2000+ disography as a whole would likely appease them) would be a great entry point for the black/death metal lover. Chances are they won't care about the production, because they are used to far worse. Gates of Fire, The Deluge, and Spiral Castle would probably be good entry points for thrash lovers, being the some of the fastest Manilla albums. Mark of the Beast is great for prog metal fans, and Crystal Logic seems to be best for people who don't really like metal (Mark of the Beast would work equally well). The 1980-1985 material will please most traditional/power/NWOBHM fans. Theres even more albums I forgot to mention, and that would make better examples than what I chose, but that just comes to show you how meaty Manilla's discography is.

I don't think any one album is better or worse for reeling in new fans. It depends on the person's tastes. Just be sure to tell them that no one album defines the band.

At 8/14/11 10:30 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Id rather listen to Slayer over Metallica and Megadeth, also duff listen! Galhammer

LOL slayer.

At 8/14/11 11:22 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Lesbian is one of the metallest of the metal, the way I see it.

I don't see them as sludge, personally. I view them as an awesome hybrid band. haha

Now that you mention it, the bass in Pharaoh is freaking sick. I don't understand why you don't like Michael LePond, though. I think he's come up with some nice bass lines. If there's anyone I don't much care for in Symphony X, it's Michael Pinella. He's not that bad, but he comes up with some hokey fucking melodies on the keyboard, as is the case with very many metal keyboardists. Sverd is one of the few I can think of who is pretty much always good and not goofy. Another one is whoever does the keyboards for Chaos Moon. Even Jordan freaking Rudess comes up with dumb shit sometimes, and he's just awesome. And don't get me started on that showoff Derek Sherinian, though I must say Planet X is a kickass prog group. The rhythms are so good.

I don't dislike Michael Lepond, I just don't feel like his basslines are anywhere nearly as original or catchy as thomas miller's.

Michael Pinnella is pretty awesome, I think. Check out his solo album(s?) sometime, he really is the most unappreciated and underused member of Symphony X.

But you just said you liked Rotting Christ and Goatwhore. And didn't you say that you like Lesbian, and a bunch of other sludge bands with harsh vocals? Is it that you appreciate the instrumentals enough to tolerate the vocals? I was that way for a bit when I started getting to the heavier side of metal. The first time I can recall actually enjoying hearing the sound of harsh vocals was when I was listening to Agalloch for the first time. Also, I very much disagree. There are very many awesome bands with great agressive vocals.

I tolerate the vocals, yes. I used to LOVE harsh vocals for a short time back in like 2006/2007, but now i'm just so god damn tired of them. And all of them too, not a certain type.

Even though I dislike the vocals persay, I do think harsh vocals FIT in most of the bands that use them that I enjoy. So it helps the toleration process go smoother. :P

I know several people will disagree, but I actually recommend Blackwater Park, even if just for the Drapery Falls. I think it's one of their best songs. I also recommend Stlll Life because I also consider the Moor the be one of their best songs. This isn't coming from a big fan, though. I think they're decent, but kinda boring and mostly forgettable.

The Drapery Falls is the only Opeth song I find "100% boring" hahaha

At 8/14/11 11:56 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Not the boring stuff like Morbid Angel

...wut?

Also, Atheist.

People always view Atheist as "technical death metal" but that honestly only describes their newest album. I like to think of them as "Death, if Death were even better"

Also, Cynic's debut album along with their demos are fucking phenomenal.

Both atheist and cynic are more well recognized among prog fans then oldschoold death metal fans for some reason, so I thought i'd recommend them.

What do you think of Night of the Shape. It's completely non-metal, but awesome. It's one of my favorite songs by them.

It's pretty good, I haven't found any wizard songs I dislike yet. haha

You should definitely consider getting Album of the Year. I think Strip Search is probably their best song ever. Though I guess it appeals more to the stoner crowd. I dunno, but it's very chill shit and I never get tired of it.

Will do.

At 8/14/11 04:47 PM, AniMetal wrote: Actually, thrash metal as a whole is rarely a topic in this club i've noticed. Unless it's "LOL I WANT THRASH RECOMMENDATIONS"

Not that many people here seem to be all that into thrash. I love thrash, old and new.

Also, you should check out this old school Chilean thrash metal band Disaster. Criaturas del Mal is their only album, but it's sick. Real, mean, aggressive thrash metal.

Will do, I actually haven't heard of them.

I mainly only like 80's/90's thrash. But the 00's have SOME good bands too. Vektor. <3

youthanasia is underrated.

AGREED. It's probably my second favorite megadeth album behind rust in peace.

it's such a good album.

At 8/15/11 04:50 AM, Bahamut wrote: This week for Metal Monday: Savatage!

Oh. My. God.

There are SO many bands that start with S, I seriously fucking love you for picking savatage. :D

Ride the Lightning > Master of Puppets

...And Justice For All > every other metallica album

Type O Negative - Some Stupid Tomorrow

At 8/15/11 04:50 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 8/14/11 05:10 PM, Haggard wrote: It's because everybody is afraid to admit liking them. Because s/he fears everybody will respond with: "LOL GET OUT YOU FUCKING MANISTREAM SUCKER OLOLOL!"

I thought it was because we talked about them so much that there isn't much new to add. However, I will want to say this:

Ride the Lightning > Master of Puppets

Does Master of Puppets have Fight Fire with Fire or For Whom the Bell Tolls? Seriously, Ride the Lightning is an easy top 5 contender for my personal favourite metal albums.

No, but Master of Puppets has Orion and Welcome Home (Sanitarium). Orion easily beats Call of Kthulu (even though the latter one is still an awesome instrumental) and Welcome Home (Sanitarium) is one of my favorite songs from Metallica.
But yes, overall Ride the Lightening is a better album. That's why it's my most favorite Metallica album and my most favorite metal album of all time.

If we're talking about thrash ima throw a cool thrash/death band out there, Revocation. I think they're really good, I especially like the guitar work.

At 8/15/11 01:12 PM, SomaGuye wrote: If we're talking about thrash ima throw a cool thrash/death band out there, Revocation. I think they're really good, I especially like the guitar work.

I don't see how in the hell you could call them "thrash" in any way.

But yes, Revocation are an awesome death metal band.

They're actually from near where I live and I actually remember when they were considered a local band, not a signed touring band. hahaha

At 8/15/11 01:18 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/15/11 01:12 PM, SomaGuye wrote: If we're talking about thrash ima throw a cool thrash/death band out there, Revocation. I think they're really good, I especially like the guitar work.

I don't see how in the hell you could call them "thrash" in any way.

I think we had a similar argument about this before, I'm not going into it again.

At 8/15/11 01:18 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/15/11 01:12 PM, SomaGuye wrote: If we're talking about thrash ima throw a cool thrash/death band out there, Revocation. I think they're really good, I especially like the guitar work.

I don't see how in the hell you could call them "thrash" in any way.

If you want me to pick out a specific part the section starting at 1:26 is quite clearly thrash.

I know they're not metal, but does anyone here like Primus? I've been listening to them a bit on youtube and they're fucking awesome. haha

At 8/15/11 01:49 PM, SomaGuye wrote: If you want me to pick out a specific part the section starting at 1:26 is quite clearly thrash.

*Facepalm*

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