At 4/29/11 02:13 PM, DeIirium wrote:

At 4/29/11 01:24 PM, Bahamut wrote:
How does it feel when Bullet For My Valentine is being mentioned as the only UK metal band that can fill [Iron Maiden and Judas Priest's] mighty shoes?"

Bullet for my valentine is actually pretty good, so I don't give a shit.

While I do enjoy them, they are no where near the quality of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. There are a lot of other UK bands that are a lot better than BFMV, even if they are probably the best core band.

At 4/29/11 01:24 PM, Bahamut wrote: Mike Mangini is officially the new Dream Theater drummer. All I hope is that he's more stable than Portnoy was.

Anyone with an hour to spare should watch these, they're pretty interesting:

Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3

Personally I think Marco or Peter should've gotten the spot, this mike seems like a tool and wasn't even THAT great.

How does it feel when Bullet For My Valentine is being mentioned as the only UK metal band that can fill [Iron Maiden and Judas Priest's] mighty shoes?"

Considering how much the UK totally sucks for metal bands after the 80's? It's understandable.

Also, Saxon is way better than anything Iron Maiden or Judas Priest put out.

probably Godseeds only music video.

At 4/29/11 05:58 PM, AniMetal wrote: Considering how much the UK totally sucks for metal bands after the 80's? It's understandable.

I'd rather have Electric Wizard taking that crown from Maiden and Priest.

Also, Saxon is way better than anything Iron Maiden or Judas Priest put out.

If they're that great to you, I'd like to hear some great examples. Not questioning you or anything, I just want to listen to more Saxon.

Saxon isn't nearly as good as Maiden or Priest. They have some good songs, but they are way too inconsistent to be on the same level as those bands. They don't have a single album where even half of the songs are worth listening.

At 4/30/11 07:37 AM, DeIirium wrote: Saxon isn't nearly as good as Maiden or Priest. They have some good songs, but they are way too inconsistent to be on the same level as those bands. They don't have a single album where even half of the songs are worth listening.

Sadly, this is true. I've only heard a couple good songs off each album of theirs (that includes their classic albums) and the rest of the songs aren't really all that good.

At 4/30/11 06:45 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'd rather have Electric Wizard taking that crown from Maiden and Priest.

I forgot they were from the UK.

If they're that great to you, I'd like to hear some great examples. Not questioning you or anything, I just want to listen to more Saxon.

Power & The Glory and Wheels Of Steel are my personal favorite albums by them.

At 4/30/11 07:37 AM, DeIirium wrote: Saxon isn't nearly as good as Maiden or Priest. They have some good songs, but they are way too inconsistent to be on the same level as those bands. They don't have a single album where even half of the songs are worth listening.

I lol'd.

A lot.

Fuck Iron Maiden, they're overhyped as all hell.

Judas Priest is amazing though.

I've always considered BTBAM to be just prog-metal rather than metalcore. I find they're one of the best out there. What I like most about PTH's new album is just how consistently good each song is in there (with the exception of "Reign of Unending Terror"). Rody's vocal range always amazes me.

Deathcore though... bleh

At 4/30/11 06:19 PM, Bladebound wrote: Deathcore though... bleh

Hey, not all deathcore is bad, just a large majority of it.

At 4/29/11 05:58 PM, AniMetal wrote: Personally I think Marco or Peter should've gotten the spot, this mike seems like a tool and wasn't even THAT great.

Whoa whoa whoa, Marco, do you mean Marco Minnemann? Why on Earth would ANYONE not want him?

I hate how one of the guys in that pic has a High On Fire shirt.

At 4/30/11 07:24 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Hey, all deathcore is bad.

I fixed your statement for you.

At 4/30/11 07:26 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 4/29/11 05:58 PM, AniMetal wrote: Personally I think Marco or Peter should've gotten the spot, this mike seems like a tool and wasn't even THAT great.

Whoa whoa whoa, Marco, do you mean Marco Minnemann? Why on Earth would ANYONE not want him?

Yes I do, and because Dream Theater are retarded.

of the seven choices they had, mike mangini is one of the worst they could have picked...

Guys it's official I hate power metal.

I expect ani to storm in here screaming WHAAAAAAAT!!!

At 4/30/11 10:16 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Guys it's official I hate power metal.

I expect ani to storm in here screaming WHAAAAAAAT!!!

Mih, whatever.

I like Power Metal, i've been moving more toward Black and Death metal recently but I still like the way Power Metal soars with it's high notes and screaming guitars. Helloween is one of my favorite metal bands and, even though the majority of people insist otherwise, I still feel Iron Maiden has a great Power Metal sound.

At 4/28/11 09:31 PM, AniMetal wrote: No, it is pretty right.

The difference between metalcore and deathcore: Metalcore is cleaner, actually uses clean vocals and occasionally has guitar solos. Deathcore is nothing but CHUGGA CHUG, uses little-to-no clean vocals and never uses guitar solos.

Basically, they're both shit - just different colored shit.

I don't see why you bother writting all this fucking shit all over again... You won't convince me that Metalcore is all shit... There are some elements in Metalcore, that you can't find in other music or even in Metal. It's simple (most of the time), it's melodic, and there is some pretty original stuff in metalcore. Some classic riffs were composed by bands such as All That Remains, Protest The Hero, The Human Abstract and Shadows Falls. You may dislike how a lot of core bands just break down to the basics, make it so simple that it becomes mediocre, boring, uninspired and generic... but your statement is as useless as a donkey with a banana stuck up his ass.

BTBAM is basically the only decent core band, and the only thing really core about them is their vocals.

Yeah right, and now... why don't you just throw another stupid statement like this? So a whole genre of music is objectively bad, EXCEPT FOR ONE BAND! Accepting that this band is both a GOOD band and a metalcore band, is stating the fact that good metalcore riffs can be written. So if you are going to shit over ALL metalcore, don't just pretend that there is one exception. Because if this band is an exception, but that it still fits the genre, then you are opening up the door to the possibility of having good metalcore bands.

You know... progressive, technical metalish music.... scene kid music... fits SO well together. Amirite?

That's absolutely not what I said. I was making a comparison... Animals As Leaders fits better on the Summer Slaughter Tour than Powerglove. And Animals As Leaders will more easily fit on a stage with a more diversified selection of artists of diversified genres then a band like Powerglove, which plays videogame themes in a metalish way.

Powerglove isn't a "power metal band".

Powerglove is a band that can open for ANY band, whether it be sonata arctica, kreator, escape the fate, mastodon, whatever and no matter what appeal to people.

Damn dude! Just come on! I know that to someone like you, who is a lot into power metal, there is a clear distinction between power metal and bands like Powerglove, but they OBVIOUSLY have power metal roots! And even if it's videogames themes and tv show themes, the approach is still a power metal kind of approach. HELL! Even Tony Kakko recorded vocals for them. I can't see a fucking DM vocalist recording with these guys.

Right, they are not the Hammerfall kind of Power Metal, but more like Firewing. Yeah right, but listenning to their X-Men theme, I find them to sound somewhat like Firewind.

So yeah, they are far closer to the PM scene then their are of the DM scene.

If someone likes metal? If someone likes really technical instrumental? If someone likes video games? They will like powerglove.

Who said there can't be any Technical Power Metal?

Go on the powerglove forum, i'd say 60% of that forum's users aren't even metalheads. (or if they are, they're more of the mainstream kind)

What does that proove? Nightwish or Sunn O))) are bands who don't just attract metalheads... It just means that there is something else to their music, that will get them a wider fan base.

BDM and Whitechapel are the headliners, Fleshgod Apocalypse is one of the openers. what the fuck are you talking about?

Well, I didn't know that... I didn't visit the official website or anything, I just looked at the concerts on last.fm, and didn't see which bands were opening or whatever. And considering this is supposed to be a DEATH METAL TOUR, I really just assumed they would be the headline, because they are the only fucking DEATH METAL band on there, along with Dying Fetus.

MY BAD !!! SORRY !!!

Just go to the show, and leave after fleshgod apocalypse, dying fetus, powerglove and six feet under...

Didn't you read the last part? I really don't feel like going to a scenecore shit gig... I'm going to be surrounded by loosers with fringes, skinny pants, tatoos and shitty attitudes. It's going to suck balls!

At 4/29/11 11:52 AM, TheSporkLord wrote: Oh and Lordi has their own movie.

The Dark Floors :P

It wasn't that great, but it was still enjoyable :)

At 4/30/11 07:24 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 4/30/11 06:19 PM, Bladebound wrote: Deathcore though... bleh

Hey, not all deathcore is bad, just a large majority of it.

Metalcore > Deathcore

And it's not like all metalcore is good... a large majority of it sucks ass. Try Glass Casket though. They destroy dicks :P

http://www.metalblade.com/BDM/

New Black Dahlia Murder song is fucking sick. Creaming my pants over this album already.

At 4/30/11 07:37 AM, DeIirium wrote: Saxon isn't nearly as good as Maiden or Priest. They have some good songs, but they are way too inconsistent to be on the same level as those bands. They don't have a single album where even half of the songs are worth listening.

I thought they were a consistent band. As for the albums, I admit that classics like Wheels of Steel and Denim and Leather suffer from fillers. Don't ask why I'm asking for more Saxon when I feel their classics are average. I liked Into the Labyrinth, though.

At 4/30/11 02:25 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 4/30/11 06:45 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'd rather have Electric Wizard taking that crown from Maiden and Priest.

I forgot they were from the UK.

Heh, I'm surprised at all the popular doom metal acts that came from the UK.

If they're that great to you, I'd like to hear some great examples. Not questioning you or anything, I just want to listen to more Saxon.

Power & The Glory and Wheels Of Steel are my personal favorite albums by them.

So I should see what Power & The Glory is like.

At 4/30/11 10:16 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Guys it's official I hate power metal.

What's new? You said the same thing 4 years ago.

At 4/30/11 11:58 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: I like Power Metal, i've been moving more toward Black and Death metal recently but I still like the way Power Metal soars with it's high notes and screaming guitars.

The only thing I don't really like about power metal (well, the European side anyway) is not finding much else once I've gone through all the most notable bands from the genre. I think I have better luck with USPM. Already I've found a few good obscure bands from American power metal. Well, if bands such as Slough Feg and Brocas Helm be considered power metal but I digress.

So guys, you may or may not hate me for this buuuuuuuuuut Depeche Mode is basically all i've listened to for the past week and a half.

At 5/1/11 12:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So a whole genre of music is objectively bad, EXCEPT FOR ONE BAND!

All i'm hearing is a bunch of bullshit as to why bands that are just a dumb downed version of In Flames and COB is "good."

And I already said that the only thing that even seems metalcorfe at all about BTBAM is the vocals, them aside they don't feel like metalcore. At all.

Because you know, jazz moments = / = breakdowns.

That's absolutely not what I said. I was making a comparison... Animals As Leaders fits better on the Summer Slaughter Tour than Powerglove. And Animals As Leaders will more easily fit on a stage with a more diversified selection of artists of diversified genres then a band like Powerglove, which plays videogame themes in a metalish way.

Not at all.

Animals As leaders is a band you stand and pop your head to
Powerglove is a band you rock out to
Death metal is a genre you, generally speaking, rock out to
Deathcore/metalcore is a genre that, somehow, gets people to rock out

Powerglove fits better. PLUS, you gotta keep in mind how many attendees of summer slaughter are teens or young adults, most of whom have played their fair share of video games or seen plenty of cartoons in their time.

Right, they are not the Hammerfall kind of Power Metal, but more like Firewing. Yeah right, but listenning to their X-Men theme, I find them to sound somewhat like Firewind.

Actually powerglove opened for both Firewind and Hammerfall, but when I saw them open for Hammerfall the crowd fucking hated them.

Yet when I saw them opening for Sonata Arctica, playing with Arsis and The Absence and again the other day opening for Symphony X the crowd loved them.

If someone likes metal? If someone likes really technical instrumental? If someone likes video games? They will like powerglove.

Who said there can't be any Technical Power Metal?

I never said that.

What does that proove? Nightwish or Sunn O))) are bands who don't just attract metalheads... It just means that there is something else to their music, that will get them a wider fan base.

Which is exact

Well, I didn't know that... I didn't visit the official website or anything, I just looked at the concerts on last.fm, and didn't see which bands were opening or whatever. And considering this is supposed to be a DEATH METAL TOUR, I really just assumed they would be the headline, because they are the only fucking DEATH METAL band on there, along with Dying Fetus.

The Black Dahlia Murder
Whitechapel
Six Feet Under
Darkest Hour
Dying Fetus
Powerglove
As Blood Runs Black
Oceano
Fleshgod Apocalypse
*One more band TBA*

That's what the lineup is listed as by the venue in worcester, MA which I always go to. I'm assuming the lineup is like this at every show, idk.

Didn't you read the last part? I really don't feel like going to a scenecore shit gig... I'm going to be surrounded by loosers with fringes, skinny pants, tatoos and shitty attitudes. It's going to suck balls!

So you're the kind of person who chooses not to go to a show because you don't like the crowd.

You do realize that the reason every year's SS becomes less and less metal is because less and less metalheads are going, right? If metalheads went, supported the metal bands then guess what! More metal bands next time.

But they say "NOPE, I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT A BILL WITH BANDS I DON'T LIKE" and whine and stay home. All the while scenekids go "WHITECHAPEL? I LOVE THEM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW OR LIKE THE REST OF THE BANDS BUT I'M GOING"

Scene kids are infinitely more open minded and less opinionated then metalheads. If a band does one thing wrong? Metalheads will criticize them until they die. If a core band does ANYTHING? Scene kids WILL buy it or go to it.

The reason for why metalcore/deathcore/melodic death metal is so successful is because of that. And not going to a tour where you like basically half the bands of is only further influencing the success of core and the downfall of metal with harsh vocals.

As for me, i'm not going because I won't have the money as I will be attending both the big four AND kyuss/the sword in NYC this september, and both shows will cost a small fourtaine.

At 5/1/11 11:55 AM, AniMetal wrote: So guys, you may or may not hate me for this buuuuuuuuuut Depeche Mode is basically all i've listened to for the past week and a half.

Depeche Mode is cool shit.

At 5/1/11 11:55 AM, AniMetal wrote: All i'm hearing is a bunch of bullshit as to why bands that are just a dumb downed version of In Flames and COB is "good."

Cause that's obviously what The Human Abstract is... right. Your definition of metalcore is wrong.

And I already said that the only thing that even seems metalcorfe at all about BTBAM is the vocals, them aside they don't feel like metalcore. At all.

Seriously? You obiously never listenned to the track The Decade of Statues... or even the whole Colors album. It is a mix of metalcore and progressive metal... but it definitely is heavily influenced by metalcore, on so many levels...

Just listen to the intro on Sun Of Nothing. That kind of technical riffing is pure "core" riffing... The lead at the beginning of Prequel To The Sequel is DEFINITELY a core kind of riff.

Because you know, jazz moments = / = breakdowns.

And you think metalcore = breakdowns? Damn dude... go back to the roots of metalcore, when it all began. The over-use of breakdowns, chugging riffs and lame switches between clean and harsh vocals, is not what defines the genre. These... define the commercial popcore they sell to teenagers and kiddies.

Go listen to some Shadows Fall. Listen to the track Redemption by them. Yes, there is some chugging, but it actually comes in the building up of the track and helps in the progression of the song.

I see you trying to argue that metalcore is shit by only using sterotypical shit bands... You know how wrong this is right? It's like trying to proove that all Christians are bad because of the witch hunts or the Spanish Inquisition...

Animals As leaders is a band you stand and pop your head to
Powerglove is a band you rock out to
Death metal is a genre you, generally speaking, rock out to
Deathcore/metalcore is a genre that, somehow, gets people to rock out

Generally speaking? You do realise that Origin were also on the Summer Slaughter Tour when Animals As Leaders played on that tour? I can't see how their technical riffs should ever be appreciated "differently". Yes, you can start a mosh pit to Origin's music, but it's also the kind of band you have to listen carrefully to fully understand it.

But I understand your point... You are somewhat right... I still wouldn't say that AAL shouldn't have been on the SST. But I see why you could think that Powerglove would fit better.

Powerglove fits better. PLUS, you gotta keep in mind how many attendees of summer slaughter are teens or young adults, most of whom have played their fair share of video games or seen plenty of cartoons in their time.

True.

But there is a limit to your comparison. Power Metal, Thrash Metal and Death Metal are all musical genres that you can "rock out to", but that doesn't make them compatible in any kind of way.

Actually powerglove opened for both Firewind and Hammerfall, but when I saw them open for Hammerfall the crowd fucking hated them.

Hammerfall crowd must sucks... I'm not surprised...

Yet when I saw them opening for Sonata Arctica, playing with Arsis and The Absence and again the other day opening for Symphony X the crowd loved them.

Cool, I guess :P

What does that proove? Nightwish or Sunn O))) are bands who don't just attract metalheads... It just means that there is something else to their music, that will get them a wider fan base.

Which is exact

Yeah, well, if what I'm saying is exact, my point stands. It's not cause non-power metal fans like them, that they are not somewhat influenced by the PM scene.

So you're the kind of person who chooses not to go to a show because you don't like the crowd.

I don't feel like getting punched in the face again, because some jerkfuck swings his fists around. I wouldn't care to go to a Kamelot or Nightwish show, no matter how shitty their crowd is... but Whitechapel? DUDE!

You do realize that the reason every year's SS becomes less and less metal is because less and less metalheads are going, right? If metalheads went, supported the metal bands then guess what! More metal bands next time.

I doubt it... if I go to the show this year and leave early, a part of the money I spent will go to bands like Whitechapel anyway. And how are the tour managers supposed to know which bands people are paying to see?

They get more deathcore bands on the show because deathcore is more popular, more commercial and get them more money.

But they say "NOPE, I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT A BILL WITH BANDS I DON'T LIKE" and whine and stay home. All the while scenekids go "WHITECHAPEL? I LOVE THEM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW OR LIKE THE REST OF THE BANDS BUT I'M GOING"

Metalheads are not annoying, but scene kids are... We won't bother them when As Blood Runs Black start crying and screaming and chugging on stage, but they will bother us during Fleshgod Apocalypse.

Scene kids are infinitely more open minded and less opinionated then metalheads. If a band does one thing wrong? Metalheads will criticize them until they die. If a core band does ANYTHING? Scene kids WILL buy it or go to it.

Poor choice of words... They are not "more open minded" they just don't have good criteria cause they don't know shit about music.

And metalheads don't kick you in the back when you bump into them during a mosh pit.

The reason for why metalcore/deathcore/melodic death metal is so successful is because of that. And not going to a tour where you like basically half the bands of is only further influencing the success of core and the downfall of metal with harsh vocals.

I don't like half the bands. That's just you. I like Fleshgod Apocalypse, and think some other bands are kind of cool. But I really don't know if I'd like to pay for a gig like this, and get bored after the first set.

So I saw Astrohenge, Latitudes and Beecher tonight.

Astrohenge were awesome, they're a Doom Metal band with classical piano thrown in, they have some pretty fun riffs too.

I've seen Latitudes before, they played two new songs tonight which was pretty cool and none of their gear broke down this time, so that was good. Unfortunately, there were a load of hipsters in the crowd. Said hipsters also started to dance to Latitudes. Yes, dancing to Post Metal.

I left after about 20 minutes of Beechers set, They were hardcore/metalcore and I really didn't like them.

At 5/1/11 03:52 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: You've probably never heard Di'Anno era Maiden.

No, I have.

Powerslave or Seventh Son are probably the only decent maiden albums. And even they can be hard to listen to in entirety.

Believe me, people have been stuffing Maiden(all eras) down my throat for my whole life.

At 5/1/11 12:48 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote:

At 5/1/11 11:55 AM, AniMetal wrote: So guys, you may or may not hate me for this buuuuuuuuuut Depeche Mode is basically all i've listened to for the past week and a half.

Depeche Mode is cool shit.

Thumbs to you, my good sir!

At 5/1/11 05:17 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Cause that's obviously what The Human Abstract is... right. Your definition of metalcore is wrong.

I haven't actually listened to them, but I hear about them a lot so they're probably just as shittie as the rest.

is heavily influenced by metalcore, on so many levels...

I thought there was already a huge discussion about this, just because something is influenced by something doesn't mean it is the same thing as what it was influenced by.

And you think metalcore = breakdowns?

No, but they are very common place.

Go listen to some Shadows Fall. Listen to the track Redemption by them. Yes, there is some chugging, but it actually comes in the building up of the track and helps in the progression of the song.

I always thought Shadows Fall was just really shittie melodic death metal, not metalcore.

You've proved me wrong I guess, but they still suck.

I see you trying to argue that metalcore is shit by only using sterotypical shit bands... You know how wrong this is right? It's like trying to proove that all Christians are bad because of the witch hunts or the Spanish Inquisition...

It's because I could literally list probably 50+ shittie core bands if I needed to. Don't forget, i'm a senior at a highschool in Massachusetts. MA and Rhode Island is the core capitol of the world.

Generally speaking? You do realise that Origin were also on the Summer Slaughter Tour when Animals As Leaders played on that tour? I can't see how their technical riffs should ever be appreciated "differently". Yes, you can start a mosh pit to Origin's music, but it's also the kind of band you have to listen carrefully to fully understand it.

Animals As Leaders DOES NOT belong on the same lineup as Origin. Nor does Powerglove belong on the same lineup as Six Feet Under.

But there is a limit to your comparison. Power Metal, Thrash Metal and Death Metal are all musical genres that you can "rock out to", but that doesn't make them compatible in any kind of way.

Random fact: in 1999 Hammerfall opened for Death on a North America tour.

THE MORE YOU KNOW. ;D

Actually powerglove opened for both Firewind and Hammerfall, but when I saw them open for Hammerfall the crowd fucking hated them.

Hammerfall crowd must sucks... I'm not surprised...

Yeah they really do, almost the entire crowd was Iron Maiden cock-sucking douchebags.

Yeah, well, if what I'm saying is exact, my point stands. It's not cause non-power metal fans like them, that they are not somewhat influenced by the PM scene.

Yeah I get what you mean.

But they're really influenced by lots of stuff, Nick's(their bassist) favorite band is Agalloch. haha

(They're from boston, i've talked to them plenty at shows and stuff)

So you're the kind of person who chooses not to go to a show because you don't like the crowd.

I don't feel like getting punched in the face again, because some jerkfuck swings his fists around. I wouldn't care to go to a Kamelot or Nightwish show, no matter how shitty their crowd is... but Whitechapel? DUDE!

Then stay out of the "pit" hahaha

You do realize that the reason every year's SS becomes less and less metal is because less and less metalheads are going, right? If metalheads went, supported the metal bands then guess what! More metal bands next time.

I doubt it... if I go to the show this year and leave early, a part of the money I spent will go to bands like Whitechapel anyway. And how are the tour managers supposed to know which bands people are paying to see?

Because if a large sum of people leave early, they'll say "OH SHIT, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING EARLY" and because their usually is someone monitoring, at least on major tours, what bands receive what kind of reaction. Also, based off merch sales they can tell who was the most popular.

They get more deathcore bands on the show because deathcore is more popular, more commercial and get them more money.

Melodic Death Metal hit its peak back around 2002 or 2003, metalcore around 2005 or 2006 and deathcore around 2008 or 2009. All those genres are on the decline, they are getting less popular if anything.

But they say "NOPE, I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT A BILL WITH BANDS I DON'T LIKE" and whine and stay home. All the while scenekids go "WHITECHAPEL? I LOVE THEM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW OR LIKE THE REST OF THE BANDS BUT I'M GOING"

Metalheads are not annoying, but scene kids are... We won't bother them when As Blood Runs Black start crying and screaming and chugging on stage, but they will bother us during Fleshgod Apocalypse.

Scene kids are infinitely more open minded and less opinionated then metalheads. If a band does one thing wrong? Metalheads will criticize them until they die. If a core band does ANYTHING? Scene kids WILL buy it or go to it.

Poor choice of words... They are not "more open minded" they just don't have good criteria cause they don't know shit about music.

Touche, I was in a lack of better words.

And metalheads don't kick you in the back when you bump into them during a mosh pit.

Maybe it's my lack of experience at core/melo death shows, because I have good taste, but i've never actually seen anything like that happen at a show with those kinds of bands on it.

I don't like half the bands. That's just you. I like Fleshgod Apocalypse, and think some other bands are kind of cool. But I really don't know if I'd like to pay for a gig like this, and get bored after the first set.

if I went it'd be fleshgod, six feet under and powerglove. (and i'd check out dying fetus too, I guess)

I would easily put The Human Abstract into the metalcore slot, especially considering their last album (any thoughts or opinions on that, btw? I didn't care much for it, especially after Nocturne).
I suppose I do enjoy my fair share of metalcore, with prog-metal being my all time favorite genre to listen to.
Just looking through my top 25 most played on my iPod I see at least two songs by BtBaM, Protest the Hero, early Human Abstract, and Scale the Summit.

By the way, has anyone listened to Scale the Summit? They're an instrumental prog-metal band. They have some really great stuff; toured with BtBaM and Cynic a couple years ago.
Carving Desert Canyons is their best album with a number of great songs from it. Great StS introductory songs:
Age of the Tide
Giants
The Great Plains
Black Hills

Well, quite the discussion developing around here. I've mostly been listening to Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss album and a little bit of Megadeth, so there's not much I can add. As everyone who originally welcomed me will remember, I love Judas Priest. I'm somewhat partial to Iron Maiden, though; I don't really like much of what I've heard from them, but then again I haven't heard much from them.

Maybe I'll come back with something insightful.

Scale The Summit are pretty amazing. Check out Animals As Leaders as well.

Those two bands really go hand in hand when it comes to style. I personally prefer STS though, even if AAL is more technical.

At 5/1/11 10:31 PM, joeyjoah wrote: I've mostly been listening to Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss album

Basically their only TRULY good album.

and a little bit of Megadeth,

Only the first four albums and Youthanasia are real.

I'm somewhat partial to Iron Maiden, though; I don't really like much of what I've heard from them, but then again I haven't heard much from them.

Yeah they're really overhyped.

Maybe I'll come back with something insightful.

It's okay, everyone in here gets like that sometimes. :)

At 5/1/11 07:11 PM, AniMetal wrote: I haven't actually listened to them, but I hear about them a lot so they're probably just as shittie as the rest.

You know how stupid you sound when you say that, right...? "Oh! I don't know them, but I can assume that all their career work is shit because they are a metalcore band." Way to go Ani...

I thought there was already a huge discussion about this, just because something is influenced by something doesn't mean it is the same thing as what it was influenced by.

Maybe my choice of words was not good. IT IS "CORE". Between The Buried And Me is Metalcore + Prog Metal and a few other influences.

No, but they are very common place.

I never said they were not. But any time we say Power Metal is all about power chords, dragons and high pitched vocals, you go apeshit... yup... that's what we call stereotypes....

I always thought Shadows Fall was just really shittie melodic death metal, not metalcore.

You've proved me wrong I guess, but they still suck.

I think anime sucks, but that's irrelevant... right...?

It's because I could literally list probably 50+ shittie core bands if I needed to. Don't forget, i'm a senior at a highschool in Massachusetts. MA and Rhode Island is the core capitol of the world.

Yup, and I hate metalcore at least as much as you do. My best friends are fans of The Devil Wears Prada, Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, As I Lay Dying, A Day To Remember and countless other awesome bands like these...

You don't know how much I hate them for being so limited... The only shit they listen to is over-produced, lame-ass chugcore + breakdown shit. It's pathetic. They have no kind of potential whatsoever when it comes to music. I try all kind of bands on them... Watchtower... Blood Red Throne... Ulver... Agalloch... Altaria... Helloween... Arsis... Blotted Science... There is just nothing that is cool enough for them.

There is at least 100 bad "core" bands for 1 decent one... But that doesn't mean you can just claim that they all suck.

Random fact: in 1999 Hammerfall opened for Death on a North America tour.

That's just weird... But let's just say that Death are not like Modern Death Metal bands. Death could have opened for Judas Priest and it would have been alright, IMO.

Yeah they really do, almost the entire crowd was Iron Maiden cock-sucking douchebags.

Another correct guess :)

Then stay out of the "pit" hahaha

You can't ask me to avoid a Death Metal pit... The only problem is that these kids actually think that they are allowed to join in the fun. Sadly, they lack the braincells to understand they are not supposed to do the windmill in the middle of the pit...

Because if a large sum of people leave early, they'll say "OH SHIT, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING EARLY" and because their usually is someone monitoring, at least on major tours, what bands receive what kind of reaction. Also, based off merch sales they can tell who was the most popular.

Maybe, I don't know if they even monitor like you said... Maybe they do...

Melodic Death Metal hit its peak back around 2002 or 2003, metalcore around 2005 or 2006 and deathcore around 2008 or 2009. All those genres are on the decline, they are getting less popular if anything.

I hope you are speaking the thruth... And I really hope there won't be some kind of shit to replace it... Like dancecore or somethin' like that... oh wait...

Maybe it's my lack of experience at core/melo death shows, because I have good taste, but i've never actually seen anything like that happen at a show with those kinds of bands on it.

Happenned to me. I saw Threat Signal live, and the opening bands were chug-chug masters... Some kid kicked me in the back...

if I went it'd be fleshgod, six feet under and powerglove. (and i'd check out dying fetus too, I guess)

I guess I should go... I really do like Fleshgod Apocalypse... so why not ?!?

At 5/1/11 09:46 PM, Bladebound wrote: I would easily put The Human Abstract into the metalcore slot, especially considering their last album (any thoughts or opinions on that, btw? I didn't care much for it, especially after Nocturne).

I listenned to one track... hated it... But I'll listen to the whole thing sometime in the near future...

Just looking through my top 25 most played on my iPod I see at least two songs by BtBaM, Protest the Hero, early Human Abstract, and Scale the Summit.

I see Breathing Life Into Devices by The Human Abstract in my most played tracks on last.fm... 37th place actually... Most listenned core track on my charts...

By the way, has anyone listened to Scale the Summit? They're an instrumental prog-metal band. They have some really great stuff; toured with BtBaM and Cynic a couple years ago.

Dunno, will look into them :)

Carving Desert Canyons is their best album with a number of great songs from it. Great StS introductory songs:
Age of the Tide
Giants
The Great Plains
Black Hills

Thanks :)

So, everyone hear the good news?

I feel this is appropriate.

At 5/2/11 01:59 AM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: So, everyone hear the good news?

I feel this is appropriate.

I was expecting a Bin Laden video but this suits the thread much better!

At 5/1/11 11:06 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Carving Desert Canyons is their best album with a number of great songs from it. Great StS introductory songs:
Age of the Tide
Giants
The Great Plains
Black Hills

Thanks :)

I should note that Black Hills is on their latest release "The Collective.:

Any Heidevolk fans here?

At 5/1/11 10:31 PM, joeyjoah wrote: Well, quite the discussion developing around here. I've mostly been listening to Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss album and a little bit of Megadeth, so there's not much I can add. As everyone who originally welcomed me will remember, I love Judas Priest. I'm somewhat partial to Iron Maiden, though; I don't really like much of what I've heard from them, but then again I haven't heard much from them.

I mostly like Seasons in the Abyss for the title track. The rest is kinda meh to me. As for Maiden, it depends what you've listened to. If you didn't click on for songs like Aces High and The Number of the Beast, chances are their music might not be for you.