At 12/13/10 06:46 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 12/13/10 04:53 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: As I already told you, it's not a Metal beard. It's pretty short. Here's a picture anyway.

d00d. You iz sexy.

I agree.

Also, check this shiteh!

At 12/12/10 09:44 PM, Nev wrote: Most of us BOA forum folk think its a given they're gonna play.

It's possible and if Judas Priest go to Bloodstock, that will take away whatever reason I have to go to High Voltage. I don't think I can go to both Bloodstock AND High Voltage next year, especially when I have the next NG London meet planned in August as well as seeing Maiden live on 28th July (a few days after High Voltage).

At 12/13/10 04:53 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: As I already told you, it's not a Metal beard. It's pretty short. Here's a picture anyway.

i want to stroke your luscious locks

you can't tell, but i'm wearing a high on fire shirt in this picture. this is from a few months ago; i trimmed my beard yesterday and it is hella short right now, i'm just waiting for it to grow out again.

I wish my hair and facial hair grew out like that ; - ;

At 12/12/10 10:02 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: There is a difference between sharing some similarities in the way you dress or think and being a total fanboy. Yes, Metal is a trend, but not the same kind of trend we are talking about.

Because Metal is now 40 years old. Lets give these new genres time before we dismiss them as shallow trends. There is an entire new generation coming through and they're clearly liking this stuff.

Having long hair or wearing a leather jacket, is just a symbol, something you do because you want to be part of a community. You share something with other people.

And having an emo fringe and skinny jeans and whatnot isn't?

but I don't think I will stop listenning to Sunn O))) if they stop being popular. Oh wait, they never were popular... See that's the big difference.

Just because Sunn O))) aren't widely known doesn't mean Metal isn't popular. It is.

I doubt that they would have ever listenned to them if they never had any plays on the radio, though.

Total snobbery. Paramore got on the radio because of a fanbase. Them being accessible helps but that doesn't matter.

At 12/12/10 10:18 PM, Dalnaki wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I had long hair before I even got into metal.

I technically did because I grew it as soon as I got a guitar and started listening to GN'R and Led Zeppelin and stuff. The Metal came later.

At 12/13/10 12:22 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: but who else has beards? i've been doing the beard thing for a year.

I don't because I'm incapable.
If I was manly enough to grow a beard I wouldn't have shaved in forever. It's the reason I hate you in fact, I'm jealous and bitter :P.

At 12/13/10 02:53 AM, ShitOnAStick wrote: Funny enough, the more I got into metal, I think the shorter my hair got for many years. Shaving was involved in a lot of those years, sometimes completely, a lot of it was undercuts.

Everything works opposite for girls though. Thats perfectly understandable.

Now I'm a proper girl. I like to play it deceptively. Ninja in my manliness when no expects it.

Trap?

Little Denty can grow a decent beard. He's growing up before our eyes.

At 12/13/10 05:25 PM, Nev wrote: And having an emo fringe and skinny jeans and whatnot isn't?

I use skinny jeans D:< AS A THRASHER! Well not really a Thrasher, but it's metal...

At 12/13/10 06:29 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote:

At 12/13/10 05:25 PM, Nev wrote: And having an emo fringe and skinny jeans and whatnot isn't?

I use skinny jeans D:< AS A THRASHER! Well not really a Thrasher, but it's metal...

i'm too skinny to not wear skinny jeans. if i wear normal-fit jeans, they just make me look skinnier 'cause they're so loose. i think tight-fitting clothes are more comfortable anyway.

I have fairly long hair now, but i'm not stopping it from growing by any means.
Mine doesn't really part in the middle though, no matter how much i'd like it to.
Just doesn't sit well with me I guess.

Today has been 9 years since Chuck Schuldiner died. R.I.P "Father of Death Metal"

I tried growing out my hair, but it looked like shit. It curled up and it looked like a mini-fro. It was awful. So now i have shorter hair with no beard. I'm such a shitty metalhead......

But on the other hand, I do have a really nice leather jacket. It used to be a biker jacket, so it's really warm and comfortable. So I wear that a lot. I actually started wearing it before I really got into metal, simply because it was so comfortable.

Guys,we need to talk.. I love metal but the anger is not worth affecting my relationship with others and the one I love. I need to change myself for who I am and what I believe in, I don't care if you and other metal heads look down upon me but I've found God and I'm happy. I still love metal but I'm not extreme as I once was. The black metal community will not be happy but hey, they will get over it. I am still tr00 and frostbitten I once believed in the Asa god and I will never forget about them and what they have done for me. I will always remain loyal to metal and I will not believe like crazy bible thumpers I choose to worship differently. I'm going back to church for the first time in 5 years Christmas day.

I hope you all understand,
Love Smeagol1

At 12/13/10 05:25 PM, Nev wrote: Because Metal is now 40 years old. Lets give these new genres time before we dismiss them as shallow trends. There is an entire new generation coming through and they're clearly liking this stuff.

Not all Metal is 40 years old. Avoid talking about Metal as one big genre. I still think there is a big difference between Metal and Pop. There are so many pop artists who just dissapear whenever the hype is over. It's not just Pop and Metal. Musical genres like Jazz, Classical, Blues, Rock and Metal go through the ages. Trends, even among these genres, will die whenever they stop being popular and will fall into darkness. See, some artists and bands are created only for commercial purposes. And don't tell me I'm trying to see conspiracies everywhere... That's commercial music. These usually just fade away with time.

And having an emo fringe and skinny jeans and whatnot isn't?

You serious? You can't tell the difference between a community, sharing similarities... and teenage wanna-be rebellion?

You can't tell the difference between teenage commercial trends and the metal community? Real metal fans, will stick to the genre for their life. Scene kids are what they are KIDS. Have you ever seen a 30 years old guy with a fringe? (The guys in the emo bands do not count)

Just because Sunn O))) aren't widely known doesn't mean Metal isn't popular. It is.

Yes it is... What's the point? Popularity and commerciality isn't the same thing.

Total snobbery. Paramore got on the radio because of a fanbase. Them being accessible helps but that doesn't matter.

And you think that fanbase popped out from wholes in the ground? They are not just accessible. They are following a trend. No matter how you reached celebrity, if you did so by following a trend, you will follow this trend when it will fall down.

At 12/13/10 12:43 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote:

At 12/13/10 06:46 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 12/13/10 04:53 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: As I already told you, it's not a Metal beard. It's pretty short. Here's a picture anyway.

d00d. You iz sexy.

I agree.

Why is it that I'm getting all this love? :O
So what now? I'm the bitch of the Hell? :P

Anyway, I don't know if you guys just missed it, but I said Cynic's bassist has left !!!

D3nt, nice hair and beard. My hair is only slighter longer than yours :P

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Guys,we need to talk.. I've found God

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Guys,we need to talk.. I love metal but the anger is not worth affecting my relationship with others and the one I love. I need to change myself for who I am and what I believe in, I don't care if you and other metal heads look down upon me but I've found God and I'm happy.

I couldn't care less about your personnal beliefs. You can trust in whatever you want. Metal never was anti-religion. Some artists are and some others are not. This should in no way affect anything you do in the Metal Hell.

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Guys,we need to talk.. I love metal but the anger is not worth affecting my relationship with others and the one I love.

You don't need to be angry to listen to metal...

I haven't been listening to much metal lately, but I want to start listening to more of it again. Know of any good bands I should get into? I like a lot of progressive metal like Opeth, Gojira, and some out-there stuff like Faceless and Obscura.

At 12/13/10 11:12 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Yes it is... What's the point? Popularity and commerciality isn't the same thing.

This.
I feel like theres a difference between 2 bands having say a millions fans each.
If one of them are not promoted at all (no radio, MTV videos, etc) they would still be popular for accumulating that many fans.
However if the other band is on the radio every 10 minutes and on the front row of every CD store, than really are they at all the same?

At 12/14/10 12:04 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Guys,we need to talk.. I love metal but the anger is not worth affecting my relationship with others and the one I love.

You don't need to be angry to listen to metal...

I was always angry before. for once in my life I know peace.

At 12/14/10 12:11 AM, 6Imm6ortal6 wrote:

At 12/13/10 11:12 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Yes it is... What's the point? Popularity and commerciality isn't the same thing.

This.
I feel like theres a difference between 2 bands having say a millions fans each.
If one of them are not promoted at all (no radio, MTV videos, etc) they would still be popular for accumulating that many fans.
However if the other band is on the radio every 10 minutes and on the front row of every CD store, than really are they at all the same?

There is definitely a difference. And I think youre making a point right there.

At 12/14/10 12:27 AM, Xarnor wrote:

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: I hope you all understand,
Love Smeagol1

If that's true, that's really great and I hope going back to church works out for you. If you haven't gotten saved yet, GET SAVED! Altar calls make it easy, or at least they do in my church. Heaven>hell, whether or not you believe they exist. DON'T try to completely deprive yourself of the music you like though, that will just end in reverting back to not going to church etc. If you're serious about living for God and stuff, what music you listen to won't really affect much.

Keep this bullshit out of here. We are not here to debate on the existance of a "God" or which one is the good one, or is there many gods or whatever. "Get saved" what fucking bullshit! If you believe in God you cannot possibly believe that he will leave to burn in Hell everybody who isn't a Christian. That's just some stupid bullshit your priests made up to keep the fear in the heart of believers and to bring back to church those who would dare to think there is not God.

If you are going to believe in God, fine. But keep all these stupid "You need to be saved" bullshit out of here. K thx.

At 12/14/10 12:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 12/14/10 12:27 AM, Xarnor wrote:

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: I hope you all understand,
Love Smeagol1

If that's true, that's really great and I hope going back to church works out for you. If you haven't gotten saved yet, GET SAVED! Altar calls make it easy, or at least they do in my church. Heaven>hell, whether or not you believe they exist. DON'T try to completely deprive yourself of the music you like though, that will just end in reverting back to not going to church etc. If you're serious about living for God and stuff, what music you listen to won't really affect much.

Keep this bullshit out of here. We are not here to debate on the existance of a "God" or which one is the good one, or is there many gods or whatever. "Get saved" what fucking bullshit! If you believe in God you cannot possibly believe that he will leave to burn in Hell everybody who isn't a Christian. That's just some stupid bullshit your priests made up to keep the fear in the heart of believers and to bring back to church those who would dare to think there is not God.

If you are going to believe in God, fine. But keep all these stupid "You need to be saved" bullshit out of here. K thx.

To be fair, he wasn't really bible bashing or anything. Just agreeing with what smeagol was doing, rather than be all "OLOLOLOL GOD DOESN'T EXIST" or something. He didn't tell YOU that YOU had to be saved, or that you had to go and start believing in God, or that you should change anything with the way you're living. As far as I can see he directed that post only at smeagol and nobody else. Fair enough if he came in here with bibles flying everywhere and smacking everyone in the head saying "PRAISE JESUS OR YOU'LL ALL DIE METUL IS EVIL OLOLOLOL".

Again, note that he said "yourself", not "yourselves" or anything of the sort.

While I'm on the topic, smeagol, congratulations, if its what makes you happy in the end, then go for it. Forget about everyone else thinking "OMG HE'S NOT METAL ANYMORE" or any stupid shit like that just because you go to church and everything.

/end

At 12/13/10 10:35 PM, smeagol1 wrote: I hope you all understand,
Love Smeagol1

I hope that all of those things work out well for you and you can walk away satisfied with your decisions, know I find my own sense of personal satisfaction in my local parish and I hope you can also find that.

At 12/14/10 12:58 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

/end

He's not un-metal cause he goes to church or whatever...
No, the guy wasn't Bible bashing... but the whole part about "being saved" speaked for itself...

At 12/14/10 12:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Keep this bullshit out of here. We are not here to debate on the existance of a "God" or which one is the good one, or is there many gods or whatever. "Get saved" what fucking bullshit! If you believe in God you cannot possibly believe that he will leave to burn in Hell everybody who isn't a Christian. That's just some stupid bullshit your priests made up to keep the fear in the heart of believers and to bring back to church those who would dare to think there is not God.

If you are going to believe in God, fine. But keep all these stupid "You need to be saved" bullshit out of here. K thx.

WHOAHHHHH I think you need to CALM THE FUCK DOWN. Remember what Bahamut (?) said about irrationality being an unsuitable trait for an authority figure such as yourself to possess? You could have said this in a much more respectful way. How hard is it to just say "We try to not discuss religion in the Metal Hell; it can be a touchy subject, especially considering metal's relationship with faith."

Regardless of whether or not Xarnor is trying to push his agenda on us (which he doesn't appear to be, though I suppose the way his message was worded could lead to it being understood in that way), you are in no place to be attacking someone's beliefs like this. He's fucking 15, Jesus Christ. You look like a belligerent, immature fool. You just said "we are not here to debate on the existance of a "God" or which one is the good one, or is there many gods or whatever," but this is exactly how these stupid debates start; not by the person who introduces the topic, but by the asshole who jumps the gun and lashes out. And in this case, that asshole is you, and by proxy, you've made us all look like assholes.

Whoa, calm down two Denta. I went a little hard on him, for this I apologize, but I've seen that kind of debate so often on the internet, even on Newgrounds. I'm sorry, shouldn't have judged him so fast.

I don't think I've made anybody else than me look like an asshole. I've been judgemental, I'm sorry.

Damn! Now I feel bad... I forgot who Xarnor is... Ouch... I had some very interresting discussions with him before he joinned the Metal Hell, and he's a great guy.

I got to apologize for this again, seriously.
I'm a little anxious and stressed right now. I still have three exams and two projects to finish for University, I guess I'm really being a dick for no reason right now...

Anyway... need to go back to Metal now...
I will get my Fleshgod Apocalypse t-shirt really soon. I've had another little chat with the bassist and he said he just shipped it to my igloo.

Anyway, you guys will be giving or receiving any Metal gifts for Christmas this year?

At 12/14/10 02:38 AM, Xarnor wrote:

At 12/14/10 02:28 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Damn! Now I feel bad... I forgot who Xarnor is... Ouch... I had some very interresting discussions with him before he joinned the Metal Hell, and he's a great guy.

No problem duder, all is forgiven and forgotten. I'm one of the hardest peoplein the world to offend or hurt with words.

I wish I could give or receive metal gifts, but all of my friends and family happen to be Christians which obviously presents a bit of a problem. I was thinking about buying my cousin a good metal CD to hopefully have at least one person IRL who I can talk metal with (he's a drummer with no strong opinions about any music yet, I KNOW he would like heavy metal), but I'd rather not start a family shitstorm.

I know a lot of people will hold on to their prejudice as hard as they would hold on to their life...

Metal is not anti-christian. Some bands from a few different genres may have anti-religion lyrical themes, but it's not generalized to the whole Metal scene. Sometimes religious people will hold on to these kind of opinions no matter what, even if you could come up with the most rock hard proof that they are wrong.

Anyway, I suggest you make them listen to some Christian Metal. If that doesn't change their views on Metal, nothing else will. Jacobs Dream makes some pretty good Power Metal, and they are Christians. I suggest you go to Metal Archives and search for Christianity in Lyrical Themes. You'll get hundreds of bands :)

At 12/13/10 12:22 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 12/12/10 10:18 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 12/12/10 09:44 PM, Nev wrote: As for following trends, how many of you have had, have or wanted long hair?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I had long hair before I even got into metal.

i wanted long hair all the way back in 4th or 5th grade, finally grew it out in 7th grade and have kept it long since. but who else has beards? i've been doing the beard thing for a year.

I started growing my hair out after I had my head shaved in the 5th grade, got a haircut in the 6th grade, and didn't my cut my hair again til around February this year. My hair was down to the middle of my back, for those who are curious. Alas, no pictures. Except for this one of me wearing a hoody, pretty shit quality though.

At 12/14/10 03:38 AM, Xarnor wrote: And actually, I just remembered that one of my friends is into screamo. Maybe I could get him into some metalcore at least and go from there. In fact... he's a sound tech and has taken bass lessons. I might be able to get a band formed eventually.... interesting thought.

Screamo? Like Underoath? If so, leading him into metalcore is a bad idea. He'll probably just get caught on it, and won't check out anything else.

At 12/14/10 03:52 AM, Xarnor wrote:

At 12/14/10 03:45 AM, Dalnaki wrote: Screamo? Like Underoath? If so, leading him into metalcore is a bad idea. He'll probably just get caught on it, and won't check out anything else.

What should I lead him to then? He's more into the screamo that's closer to emo, or maybe it's not screamo, I don't know, he likes Black Veil Brides I think. So maybe it's a hopeless cause...

For some strange reason... a lot of kids seem to believe that one-not-chug riffs with random melodic leads is the best way to write a song, even if it's a well-known fact that any kid who owns a guitar can write a riff like this...

At 12/14/10 04:44 AM, Xarnor wrote: Haha I'm proof of that. I've only just messed around on the guitar a bit and I can play most of the riffs in the music he listens to. The emo screamo music seems more about the lyrics, but those are all just a bunch of hormone-infested bitching, so I can't really figure why he listens to it. I'd like to introduce him to metal though.

I listenned to one of their songs on YouTube and the video is the typical teenage-emo bullshit. The usual story of the poor emo who gets bullied at school and blah blah blah. So even the "The emo screamo music seems more about the lyrics" part, is not so true. Or maybe the kids who enjoy this just never heard of the countless other songs sharing identical lyrical themes and videoclip themes.

Anyway. Best chance you have with him if you want to introduce him to metal would be Melodic Death Metal. But even with that, he could get stuck and listen to melodeath only... like so many kids end up doing...