At 9/9/10 09:01 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Well, DT is officially dead. I still haven't even listened to Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds, but I heard one song from Black Clouds that I swear could be on the fucking radio between some pop/alt rock bullshit.

You should give Systematic Chaos a chance as it really is the best thing they've done since Metropolis, Pt. 2. Perhaps that isn't saying much, but it is a pretty solid album. Aside from the slightly Popish songs and the Mike and James rubbish attempts at "growling".
Don't bother with Black Clouds, its not worth it. The only song on that album that is even decent is The Count of Tuscany.

The use of words expressing something other than their literal intentiooon!
*closes dictionary*
Now THAAAT. IIIIS. IIIRONYYY!

or incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is

An American being anal about irony!? Oh my gosh!

At 9/9/10 11:29 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Dream Theater should put Joey Jordison on Mike's place. Joey really deserves a good band to play on,,,

Snobby Dream Theater fans won't oppose to that at all.

I think I count myself in that category.

At 4/16/04 01:21 PM, Goatchrist wrote: I've listened to Nevermore, it's not really what I want. Guitars are pretty good, but the vocals....meh....any other suggestions?

you're right, I also find that the vocals are not equal guita, but if you separate the vocals and guita it seems disjointed, so the combination of both will bring great sound more

At 9/9/10 11:29 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Dream Theater should

Petrucci and Myung and possibly Rudess should start a new project under a different name, under a different label, preferably Inside Out. And Myung should get more solos.

put Joey Jordison on Mike's place

eeehh.....

How about Danny Carey or Bobby Jarzombek or Charlie Zeleny? I think Charlie has played for Jordan's solo project before, too.

At 9/9/10 11:36 AM, Nev wrote: An American being anal about irony!? Oh my gosh!

Yes, Brits are generally smarter and have a better grasp of the English language, and all Americans are stupid, lazy fat-asses.

ROIGHT?!

I'm a little annoyed at how some of our words are losing their meanings, like "ironic" and "epic".

If I catch someone in person saying "that's epic" one more time, I'm gonna snap and strangle them.

so, Systematic Chaos. I shall get it eventually.

Jordinson really is a terrible drummer.

At 9/9/10 11:44 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Petrucci and Myung and possibly Rudess should start a new project under a different name, under a different label, preferably Inside Out. And Myung should get more solos.

This would be ideal. It's not Queen without Freddie Mercury. But it still wouldn't feel right.

How about Danny Carey or Bobby Jarzombek or Charlie Zeleny? I think Charlie has played for Jordan's solo project before, too.

Jarzombek and Zeleny would be great. I can't see Danny Carey wanting to be in a band with all those guitar solos.

At 9/9/10 11:58 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Yes, Brits are generally smarter and have a better grasp of the English language, and all Americans are stupid, lazy fat-asses.
ROIGHT?!

I believe thats how its meant to go yes.
But hey, at least you've all got nice teeth :).

I'm a little annoyed at how some of our words are losing their meanings, like "ironic" and "epic".
If I catch someone in person saying "that's epic" one more time, I'm gonna snap and strangle them.

Yeah, whenever someone misuses a word my eyeballs literally explode in anger.

so, Systematic Chaos. I shall get it eventually.

Good boy.

At 9/9/10 12:13 PM, Nev wrote: literally

You did that on purpose, didn't you?

At 9/9/10 12:16 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: You did that on purpose, didn't you?

Of course. Dats the joke.

At 9/9/10 12:11 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Jordinson really is a terrible drummer.

He's not really terrible. He's okay.

I've always thought Travis Smith was a pretty good drummer.

Anybody got any recommendations for something progressive with awesome creative rhythms and bass lines?

At 9/9/10 01:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Anybody got any recommendations for something progressive with awesome creative rhythms and bass lines?

SikTh?

Perhaps a bit -corey for you but the guitars, bass drums and vocal duo is amazing.
You may have already checked them out though. But there pretty much all I have in my library that you haven't actually recommended to me in the first place :P.

At 9/9/10 11:58 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 9/9/10 11:36 AM, Nev wrote: An American being anal about irony!? Oh my gosh!

Yes, Brits are generally smarter and have a better grasp of the English language, and all Americans are stupid, lazy fat-asses.

ROIGHT?!

Because I definally weight 500 lbs. >.>

At 9/9/10 01:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Anybody got any recommendations for something progressive with awesome creative rhythms and bass lines?

Consciousness Removal Project if you haven't already checked them out... Their bass doesn't come through real strong in the overall mix, but they're prog band if ever a prog band there was.

Kinda stoner/sludgy too, maybe a bit doomy, but prog for sure.

At 9/9/10 01:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Prog plz?

Or Textures. They seem pretty sick, plus Terrorizer calls them "Prog death thrash." Win combo, methinks.

Listen to this now!!!!!!!!!! Crotchduster is the shit!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIMauXki 54&feature=related

LET ME LICK YOUR ASSHOLE!!!!!

At 9/9/10 01:18 AM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 9/8/10 07:38 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: But their riffs are heavy and they hit hard. If you don't like the word agressive, let's say "heavy". Good?

Eh, not really. I mean, they're metal so yeah they're heavy at least. I just don't think their stuff hits as hard as you say. Both Pale Folklore and Ashes sound quite rockish to me, and especially Pale Folklore with the weakness of the mix. I know for a fact that the mixing on the album was a stylistic approach but it still weakens it a bit, not in quality just in punch. They're often considered a gateway black metal band for a very clear reason. And I don't consider that a bad thing at all like it seems you might think, I still like the band and look forward to any future albums.

It does hit hard. Then again, not Death Metal hard...

Pale Folklore's mix is perfect. And I'm not saying it's heavy and hard, cause we we're talking about Ashes Against The Grain. Pale Folklore sound more like Black/Folk Metal to me and it really shouldn't be heavier. The mix is just perfect.

They play atmospheric metal. And while the same riff can be played over and over, it helps building up the atmosphere. There's not a single note on Ashes Against The Grain that is placed randomly.

And I love a lot of their atmosphere. The Misshapen Steed, This White Mountain, fuck the entire White ep is brilliant. I just don't like Our Fortress is Burning and Fire Above, Ice Below as much as the other tracks. They're not bad by any stretch, just not as good as the rest of the stuff on the album.

Which part of Our Fortress Is Burning? I'd like to tell you that the three parts are awesome, but anyway... We are not here to try to come to an agreement :P

Agalloch is my favorite band. And I never get tired of their music. Everything by them, especially on Pale Folklore and Ashes Against The Grain is at the perfect place, at the perfect time.

I thought this too at one point which is why I brought all of this up. It's clear we disagree but I'm not exactly trying to come to an agreement on anything. I'm just trying to provide a different perspective on Agalloch as a band because they're what's being talked about right now.

Good :)

At 9/9/10 08:25 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote:

At 9/8/10 08:47 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Let's ditch all the petty bickering over who knows what, and let's instead change the subject to the fact that MIKE FUCKING PORTNOY JUST LEFT DREAM THEATER

My bro told me about that. I can't believe it. I don't think they can get a drummer to match his mastery of the kit. I wonder what's in the store for them in the near future. Speaking of Dream Theater, I've listened to Train of Thought and I like it. My bro recommended it to me because he said it's one of their more guitar heavy albums. John Petrucci is shredding it up as usual.

Come on guys !!! There is other good drummers in the world. He was not, still isn't, and won't ever be the "best drummer ever". While his drumming is unique, I still think they could find a good drummer to replace him. And let's talk about song-writting. I don't think Mike Portnoy was any good at it anymore. Just... listen up dude... he thinks playing with Avenged Sevenfold is cool !...

At 9/9/10 11:44 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

How about Danny Carey or Bobby Jarzombek or Charlie Zeleny? I think Charlie has played for Jordan's solo project before, too.

Bobby :)

At 9/9/10 03:48 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Come on guys !!! There is other good drummers in the world. He was not, still isn't, and won't ever be the "best drummer ever". While his drumming is unique, I still think they could find a good drummer to replace him. And let's talk about song-writting. I don't think Mike Portnoy was any good at it anymore. Just... listen up dude... he thinks playing with Avenged Sevenfold is cool !...

I don't think you understand. This isn't just a matter of whether Mike was the best drummer ever or not. This is a matter of him being a founding member of Dream Theater and just up and fucking leaving. I highly doubt they can replace Portnoy because it won't feel right. Dream Theater is well known for the closeness of their players; they've been playing for 25 years, and I can speak from experience in saying that when musicians play together for a period of time, even just a few years, they form a bond with their playing that can't be replicated or taught. Mike played with those guys for 25 years. Imagine the kind of synchronicity they have when they play. Mike was just as much a part of Dream Theater as Petrucci or Myung and it's going to be damn near impossible to find a replacement.

by the way that was the 68,686th reply in the Metal Hell. Cool.

At 9/9/10 12:11 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Jordinson really is a terrible drummer.

Why?

At 9/9/10 03:48 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Come on guys !!! There is other good drummers in the world. He was not, still isn't, and won't ever be the "best drummer ever". While his drumming is unique, I still think they could find a good drummer to replace him. And let's talk about song-writting. I don't think Mike Portnoy was any good at it anymore. Just... listen up dude... he thinks playing with Avenged Sevenfold is cool !...

I never said he was the best, I just know he's a talented force in modern drumming today.

Check this br00tal shit! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j19CJKPGC Gw

At 9/9/10 04:08 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I don't think you understand....

Plus he's also like the soul of a band in a way. And definately the voice. He's the one with the charisma, the one who talks to the press and is the one who looks as though he is enjoying the shows the most.
If Myung left for example it could be months or years before anyone actually noticed the guy playing bass isn't Korean all of a sudden.

At 9/9/10 01:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Anybody got any recommendations for something progressive with awesome creative rhythms and bass lines?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but BLOTTED SCIENCE KICKS ASS!!!! Check it out!

I'm liking Vitalij Kuprij right now.

At 9/9/10 01:37 PM, Nev wrote: SikTh?

nah

But there pretty much all I have in my library that you haven't actually recommended to me in the first place :P.

hah. I have brought up a lot of names in here, huh?

At 9/9/10 01:47 PM, hypersomniax wrote: Or Textures.

not liking it, but I'll look into this Consciousness Removal Project.

At 9/9/10 06:03 PM, Zodir wrote: I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but BLOTTED SCIENCE KICKS ASS!!!! Check it out!

That's definitely an appropriate recommendation, but I kinda introduced this club to them. er, I think.

At 9/9/10 07:28 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Primus?

Hey, you know, that's one band I never really looked into much aside from like one or two songs. I'll give them a listen. And Colonel Claypool's something or other.

At 9/9/10 05:08 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Why?

Because there's no talent, pace, originality or technicality to his drumming and he uses triggers like a spare leg.

At 9/9/10 11:36 AM, Nev wrote:

At 9/9/10 09:01 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Well, DT is officially dead. I still haven't even listened to Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds, but I heard one song from Black Clouds that I swear could be on the fucking radio between some pop/alt rock bullshit.

You should give Systematic Chaos a chance as it really is the best thing they've done since Metropolis, Pt. 2. Perhaps that isn't saying much, but it is a pretty solid album. Aside from the slightly Popish songs and the Mike and James rubbish attempts at "growling".
Don't bother with Black Clouds, its not worth it. The only song on that album that is even decent is The Count of Tuscany.

I actually enjoyed Black Clouds a lot, I thought it was one of their better albums in years. But, hey, that's just me. And I do agree that Systematic Chaos is pretty good, worth checking it out.

At 9/9/10 11:36 AM, Nev wrote:

At 9/9/10 11:29 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Dream Theater should put Joey Jordison on Mike's place. Joey really deserves a good band to play on,,,

Snobby Dream Theater fans won't oppose to that at all.

I think I count myself in that category.

Count me to that as well. It was bad enough when it was said that Corey Taylor was going to be the new vocalist for Anthrax.

At 9/9/10 09:05 PM, Zodir wrote: I actually enjoyed Black Clouds a lot, I thought it was one of their better albums in years. But, hey, that's just me. And I do agree that Systematic Chaos is pretty good, worth checking it out.

I too enjoyed Black Clouds. I thought it was a really good album and one of the better works in 00s Dream Theater. Whoever hasn't listened to this album should at least give it a shot to see if they'll enjoy it or not.

At 9/9/10 01:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Anybody got any recommendations for something progressive with awesome creative rhythms and bass lines?

Voivod.

At 9/9/10 05:17 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Check this br00tal shit! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j19CJKPGC Gw

Seriously, this is awesome.