At 6/27/10 05:28 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/27/10 05:22 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Everything about Amon Amarth is viking. The way they look, how their music sounds, the lyrics. They are completely viking. I think that viking metal should apply to Amon Amarth and only Amon Amarth.

They are Melodic Death Metal. End.

Official page of the Viking metal band. Includes a biography, news, show dates and photos. I don't care if they are melodeath, They don't sound like most other melodeath bands out there. They will forever be viking as all hell.

Yeah whatever.

I don't ear a lot about Bathory here :O
So... Blood Fire Death... what do you think?

At 6/27/10 05:35 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I don't care if they are melodeath, They don't sound like most other melodeath bands out there.

Because other melodic death metal bands actually TRY to be good?

They will forever be viking as all hell.

Manowar - that is all.

At 6/27/10 05:19 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Ensiferum are not Folk Metal... They sound like all the other Melodic Death/Power Metal bands out there. Like... Norther, Children Of Bodom, Wintersun...

This.

At 6/27/10 05:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Yeah whatever.

I don't ear a lot about Bathory here :O
So... Blood Fire Death... what do you think?

Used to hammer that song out on guitar all the time. Bathory is tits.

At 6/28/10 03:47 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

Used to hammer that song out on guitar all the time. Bathory is tits.

I heard people saying it's the best black metal record ever. Thoughts?

At 6/28/10 03:54 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/28/10 03:47 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

Used to hammer that song out on guitar all the time. Bathory is tits.

I heard people saying it's the best black metal record ever. Thoughts?

Better even than Blackwater Park?

I'm sheltered I guess, I haven't actually listened to any Bathory since like... 10th grade.

And in response to hating on BTM, I'm a drummer, so I pay more attention to the drum licks than guitar mostly.

But I thought chugging was essential for extreme metal?

At 6/28/10 07:02 AM, hypersomniax wrote:

I heard people saying it's the best black metal record ever. Thoughts?

Better even than Blackwater Park?

1.) That album has holocaust on it, it's amazing by default.
2.) Blackwater park is opeth's weakest album by far
3.) The only opeth that could, AT ALL, be considered black metal is MAYBE Orchid,

At 6/27/10 02:55 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/27/10 09:04 AM, Bahamut wrote: So Ensiferum would be folk metal with viking themes

Ensiferum are NOT folk metal.

BULLSHIT! Ensiferum are one of the key folk metal bands and while there are strong melodeath elements, they still have strong folk metal elements for them to be called folk metal. I've noticed a lot of folk metal bands having other metal elements in their music such as Equilibrium with black metal elements and Týr with prog metal elements.

At 6/27/10 05:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I don't ear a lot about Bathory here :O
So... Blood Fire Death... what do you think?

I'll be needing to pick up more Bathory albums due to the upcoming Heidenfest show and their Bathory tribute supergroup. It seems Twilight of the Gods and Blood Fire Death are highly recommended. Any others?

At 6/28/10 07:15 AM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/28/10 07:02 AM, hypersomniax wrote:

I heard people saying it's the best black metal record ever. Thoughts?

Better even than Blackwater Park?

1.) That album has holocaust on it, it's amazing by default.
2.) Blackwater park is opeth's weakest album by far
3.) The only opeth that could, AT ALL, be considered black metal is MAYBE Orchid,

Blackwater Park definitely is NOT their weakest album. And if they're not melodic black metal, then what are they?

Can't argue with the holocaust in record form though...

At 6/28/10 07:02 AM, hypersomniax wrote:

Better even than Blackwater Park?

I'm sheltered I guess, I haven't actually listened to any Bathory since like... 10th grade.

I've always seen Opeth as a Progressive Metal band with a few elements from other metal genres. But these few influences are not big enough to actually make them a specific genre. I heard people calling them death metal, others calling them black metal, while Bathory are black metal in the most obvious way.

At 6/28/10 07:04 AM, hypersomniax wrote: And in response to hating on BTM, I'm a drummer, so I pay more attention to the drum licks than guitar mostly.

But I thought chugging was essential for extreme metal?

Chugging is for core shit

I like it when chugging is used moderately(eg. Killswitch Engage), but bands that do mostly chugging are boring.

At 6/28/10 02:38 PM, DeIirium wrote: I like it when chugging is used moderately(eg. Killswitch Engage), but bands that do mostly chugging are boring.

Did someone say Attack Attack?

At 6/28/10 07:04 AM, hypersomniax wrote: And in response to hating on BTM, I'm a drummer, so I pay more attention to the drum licks than guitar mostly.

But I thought chugging was essential for extreme metal?

Chugging is for core shit

Then call me an impurist, but I like chugging. For my tastes, BTM mixes enough melodic riffs in to keep me interested. Then again, I like deathcore, so whatev.

At 6/28/10 03:38 PM, hypersomniax wrote:

Then call me an impurist, but I like chugging. For my tastes, BTM mixes enough melodic riffs in to keep me interested. Then again, I like deathcore, so whatev.

I have one album by Beneath The Massacre. It's decent. But there is way too much technical riffs and very little interresting riffs. Technicality if it's not bringing anything to the music is kind of useless.

At 6/28/10 03:47 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I have one album by Beneath The Massacre. It's decent. But there is way too much technical riffs and very little interresting riffs. Technicality if it's not bringing anything to the music is kind of useless.

I like that technical stuff. Makes my face cringe.

Ever listened to Psycroptic?

At 6/28/10 04:06 PM, hypersomniax wrote:

At 6/28/10 03:47 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I have one album by Beneath The Massacre. It's decent. But there is way too much technical riffs and very little interresting riffs. Technicality if it's not bringing anything to the music is kind of useless.

I like that technical stuff. Makes my face cringe.

Ever listened to Psycroptic?

I like good technical stuff like Origin, Gorod, Blood Red Throne and the such :)

At 6/28/10 05:06 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: I think the fact that Gaahl is gay is absolutely hilarious and I love Gorgoroth for that.

Too bad he's not in the band anymore :O
Looks like Infernus finally got his band back :)

At 6/28/10 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote: BULLSHIT! Ensiferum are one of the key folk metal bands

Ensiferum is about as folk metal as Alestorm.

AKA, folkie but not folk metal at all.

At 6/28/10 11:39 AM, hypersomniax wrote: Blackwater Park definitely is NOT their weakest album.

1.) Still Life
2.) Deliverance
3.) MAYH
4.) Orchid
5.) Watershed
6.) Damnation
7.) Morning Rise
8.) Ghost Reveries
9.) BLACKWATER PARK

In my opinion, BWP is by FAR their weakest album.

And if they're not melodic black metal, then what are they?

Progressive death metal.

I suppose Orchid and parts of Morning Rise could be considered black metal, but besides that they're not black metal at all.

At 6/28/10 05:52 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/28/10 11:39 AM, hypersomniax wrote:

And if they're not melodic black metal, then what are they?

Progressive death metal.

I suppose Orchid and parts of Morning Rise could be considered black metal, but besides that they're not black metal at all.

I have to disagree and say Progressive Extreme Metal, but I would say Opeth is a genre of music itself.

At 6/28/10 02:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/28/10 02:38 PM, DeIirium wrote: I like it when chugging is used moderately(eg. Killswitch Engage), but bands that do mostly chugging are boring.

Did someone say Attack Attack?

Did someone say new Attack Attack? It's actually improved, but that wasn't exactly hard to do.

At 6/27/10 05:35 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Official page of the Viking metal band. Includes a biography, news, show dates and photos. I don't care if they are melodeath, They don't sound like most other melodeath bands out there. They will forever be viking as all hell.

They are melodeath and viking metal has never been a genre. Neither are pirate metal or pagan metal.

At 6/27/10 05:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Yeah whatever.

I don't ear a lot about Bathory here :O
So... Blood Fire Death... what do you think?

I like Bathory, but he seemed to mess up often when he sang. ever heard the Nordland albums? They're good, but the vocals are kinda fucked up sometimes.

At 6/28/10 07:02 AM, hypersomniax wrote: Better even than Blackwater Park?

That's progressive metal with death metal influences.

At 6/28/10 05:52 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/28/10 11:39 AM, hypersomniax wrote: Blackwater Park definitely is NOT their weakest album.

1.) Still Life
2.) Deliverance
3.) MAYH
4.) Orchid
5.) Watershed
6.) Damnation
7.) Morning Rise
8.) Ghost Reveries
9.) BLACKWATER PARK

Oh shit, that PROVES it!

At 6/28/10 06:45 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I have to disagree and say Progressive Extreme Metal, but I would say Opeth is a genre of music itself.

I've heard this term extreme metal a lot before, especially for bands that are very heavy and have aggressive vocals but are not quite clearly death or black or whatever, and I gotta say, there's no way it's a legitimate genre. It's another false term like "dark metal" and such.

You guys are way to fucking technical with this shit. You think I don't know that AA is melodeath? I fucking call them viking metal, go cry about it.

At 6/28/10 05:52 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/28/10 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote: At 6/28/10 11:39 AM, hypersomniax wrote: Blackwater Park definitely is NOT their weakest album.

1.) Still Life
2.) Deliverance
3.) MAYH
4.) Orchid
5.) Watershed
6.) Damnation
7.) Morning Rise
8.) Ghost Reveries
9.) BLACKWATER PARK

In my opinion, BWP is by FAR their weakest album.

And if they're not melodic black metal, then what are they?

Progressive death metal.

I suppose Orchid and parts of Morning Rise could be considered black metal, but besides that they're not black metal at all.

I slightly disagree. While I agree Blackwater Park isn't as good as most of their stuff, but I just find My Arms, Your Hearse to be their weakest. Still Life is easily their best album. And I would put Ghost Reveries a little higher on the list.

At 6/28/10 07:54 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: You guys are way to fucking technical with this shit. You think I don't know that AA is melodeath?

Well, if you're aware of the fact, then whatev.

At 6/28/10 07:49 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I've heard this term extreme metal a lot before, especially for bands that are very heavy and have aggressive vocals but are not quite clearly death or black or whatever, and I gotta say, there's no way it's a legitimate genre. It's another false term like "dark metal" and such.

I've heard "extreme metal" used as a blanket term for any genre of metal that isn't heavy/power/prog/etc. You know, black, death, thrash, doom, and so on; the more "extreme" genres of metal. When it's referring to a specific genre, that's dumb.

At 6/28/10 07:49 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 6/28/10 06:45 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I have to disagree and say Progressive Extreme Metal, but I would say Opeth is a genre of music itself.

I've heard this term extreme metal a lot before, especially for bands that are very heavy and have aggressive vocals but are not quite clearly death or black or whatever, and I gotta say, there's no way it's a legitimate genre. It's another false term like "dark metal" and such.

My metal knowledge can tell you that extreme metal is Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal and I'm not sure if there are more subgenres classified as extreme metal, maybe gothic... so, when a band play extreme metal that means that they don't play exacly one of those extreme heavy metal subgenres beside the fact that you can find them in the band anyway but not really just one of the subgenres in extreme metal, and opeth is clearly a Progressive Metal band, but they also have Death Metal in their music, but also Black Metal and maybe Gothic too, that's why I call them Progressive Extreme Metal. But well this is my opinion.

You don't need to call Opeth Death/Black/Gothic/blarblar though because if you're a Prog band then all that stuff just goes with the Progressive bit.
It's why I get so annoyed with people who claim any band is "beyond classification" or "a genre of their own". They're probably just Progressive or Avant-Garde or whatever.

Personally I have Opeth down as Prog Death, because thats so obviously what they are. They're a Death Metal band with tediously long bits and acoustic sections.

At 6/28/10 07:54 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: You guys are way to fucking technical with this shit. You think I don't know that AA is melodeath? I fucking call them viking metal, go cry about it.

You are the one going apeshit over this dude. We are not even talking about this anymore...

Why are we arguing over a supposed term callled viking metal?

So talking about metal I suppose I'll tell you a little story my dad told me about where we work at. Now he's been in this factory called Federal Mogel for 20 years they make car pistons. I just started last week, he told me a story about a really bad accident that happened two years ago back in the foundry. Well it all started there was a guy who drove a forklife around with his head phones in head banging like the dummy he was (useing dangerious machinary while listening to music.)

Well anyways he was driving around the foundry being the usual ass of himself when he didn't notice he had hit a hanging bucket container of molten aluminum. The massive bucket poured all over his back and head the old man I work with seen it and said you could see his bones he was burnt so bad. They didn't think he was gonna live but somehow the guy lived and now he's fucked up for life. An interesting fact I learned about molten metals ls that aluminum can stick to your skin unlike iron or steel. So they had to peel it off his skin like a bannana while it was still hot.

And thats your story from Smeagol today.

At 6/29/10 12:09 AM, smeagol1 wrote:

And thats your story from Smeagol today.

A good reason to get your college degree and not be forced to do blue-collar labor in a factory! Eggheads for life!