At 5/27/10 05:01 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

Seriously, their first album is the fucking shit. I can't believe people who say it just sounds like noise to them. It's not hard to understand the music.

I know... it's great prog. But I know a lot of people have an hard time listenning to that kind of prog. Cause you really know Spastic Ink is the definition of prog. There is like... one or two parts with 4/4 time signature... and the rest of the time it's just... fucking complex prog stuff. Their stuff is really worth listenning to :) So getting used to it is important.

hell yeah, especially Acid Rain

Ever listenned to Liquid Tension Trio or whatever it's named...
It's like... LTE but without Petrucci. I heard it's not that good...

I was thinking, do you guys like any youtube guitarist? Like Keith Merrow, his shit is gold...
I also like KillrBuckeye and ChromeCelica00

At 5/27/10 05:46 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I was thinking, do you guys like any youtube guitarist? Like Keith Merrow, his shit is gold...

You can dowload a lot of Keith Merrow's tracks on last.fm
I really like his work :)

I didn't know I had to sleep with the other horsemen...

Sweet!

And I think Spastic Ink are waaaaay better than Blotted Science. Ink Complete is obviously better than Compatible too, but I did enjoy the vocals, kinda reminded me of cheesey Paul Gilbert stuff like Racer X. Blotted Science were kinda dull for me, mainly cause of the Tech Death tone, just doesn't do it for me. But as for Tech Death they're top notch.

As for Sleep Terror, I'm not as impressed by them as I first was once you start noticing that Luke never merges riff into riff but rather stops-starts-stops-starts it becomes difficult to admire his composition skills.
And Behold... the Arctopus are ace. Chris Marston has the best hair cut ever. I can comfort Sam somewhat by assuring you all that I will one day have to grow my hair in order to get his ridiculously long mohawk thing.

Attention all Hell regulars I plan on writing a fable about the members of metal hell. give me a list of the most active posters. ( horsemen have instant place in my fable)

Tuning that big shit properly must take ages to do though

Hey guys :3

What's your favorite genre to listen to when you're angreh?

At 5/27/10 05:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Ever listenned to Liquid Tension Trio or whatever it's named...
It's like... LTE but without Petrucci. I heard it's not that good...

Oh yeah, Liquid Trio Experiment, I think. I heard a couple tracks on their Myspace, but I don't remember any of it.

At 5/27/10 06:12 PM, Nev wrote: I didn't know I had to sleep with the other horsemen...

shut up shut up

nothing happened.

Blotted Science were kinda dull for me, mainly cause of the Tech Death tone, just doesn't do it for me. But as for Tech Death they're top notch.

really? I think they're crazy awesome.

As for Sleep Terror, I'm not as impressed by them as I first was once you start noticing that Luke never merges riff into riff but rather stops-starts-stops-starts it becomes difficult to admire his composition skills.

I was never exactly blown away, but some of the stuff is pretty cool. I figure someone who likes Blotted Science ought to check them out.

And Behold... the Arctopus are ace. Chris Marston has the best hair cut ever. I can comfort Sam somewhat by assuring you all that I will one day have to grow my hair in order to get his ridiculously long mohawk thing.

lol Colon has quite the do. And his bass playing on Nanonuclear Cyborg Summoning is sick. His Warr guitar sounds fucking pretty.

At 5/27/10 06:18 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Attention all Hell regulars I plan on writing a fable about the members of metal hell. give me a list of the most active posters. ( horsemen have instant place in my fable)

I don't want to be in involved in this fable.

At 5/27/10 06:34 PM, mothballs wrote: What's your favorite genre to listen to when you're angreh?

Dystopia.

They're a genre, ok!

At 5/27/10 06:36 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

really? I think they're crazy awesome.

They are amazing... I think they still can't be placed under one genre of metal. Nev and I both used the Tech Death classification when talking about them. But we all know they are not straight down Death Metal. There is something amazing about their stuff. And I think it resides in the fact that Jarzombeck is great when it comes to mixing genres together to bring music to another level. While it's still influenced by Tech Death, their music transcend this genre classification. Jarzombeck is a Metal God :)

Varyags Of Miklagaard by Amon Amarth

Guess I'm in on this one too. I'm not a total metal head or anything but I must say that I do enjoy listening to some of the music the genre has to offer. My preferences out of this genre are:

Daisuke Ishiwatari (I love this man to death. He only made music for the Guilty Gear and BlazBlue soundtracks, but these soundtracks consist of some of the greatest instrumental works I've heard in my entire life. That's saying a lot just for video game soundtrack, honestly.)
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In Flames (I prefer their Clayman, Colony, and a fraction of their Soundtrack to Your Escape albums. I don't really like their newer stuff, it just doesn't sound like the same greatness anymore... :\)
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Five Finger Death Punch (I think the only song these guys have made that I really don't like is The Bleeding. Just a little too heavy for my tastes.)
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Slipknot (I'm just a tad picky on their songs)
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Dope (American Apathy, enough said. Unfortunately it's one of the only albums I own from Dope.)
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Ministry (haven't heard much but what I have heard, definitely a check off for a'okay)
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Slayer (even if a lot of their songs sound almost identical, they're STILL good regardless)
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Celldweller (This guy is pretty damn good. Though I don't think he belongs here as an entirety of an artist, he has made a few songs that fit perfectly in the metal genre)
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System of a Down (I've kind of fallen away from SoaD over time, but I threw them here anyways.)
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Rammstein (come on, almost everyone loves a little Rammstein)

There's more artists that I like in this genre, but I just threw a few out that I can think of off of the top of my head. There's not many, I know, and it's because ever since I listened to what Daisuke Ishiwatari had to offer, my standards shot through the roof. I'm glad to have stumbled across Metal Hell though, maybe with the preferences I've posted, you all can help me find a little more that I might like.

Jarzombek is literally the best guitarist I've ever heard. I still prefer Buckethead because of his image and diversity, but he has his off moments which can only be expected given his output. But Ron's talent, tone and composition is just outstanding. As far as Instrumental Metal albums and a guitar virtuoso one Ink Complete is untoppable.

At 5/27/10 06:49 PM, Nev wrote: Jarzombek is literally the best guitarist I've ever heard. I still prefer Buckethead because of his image and diversity, but he has his off moments which can only be expected given his output. But Ron's talent, tone and composition is just outstanding. As far as Instrumental Metal albums and a guitar virtuoso one Ink Complete is untoppable.

Jarzombek sounds familiar, I have yet to look into it. Buckethead I completely forgot about in my first post, lol. I agree, he is pretty damn good but he really does have his off moments now and again. I saw some convo about Ink Complete on this topic and with that, I think I'll look into them as well.

At 5/27/10 06:46 PM, CheppZanoff wrote: Stuff

You do know that you have to make a list of ten metal bands when you join?
We also do not accept metalcore and nu-metal as metal in the Metal Hell.

So from the few bands you have listed...
In Flames is good (even if their Nu-Metal/Metalcore shit is lame)
Five Finger Death Punch isn't metal... They are groovecore or some kind of shit like this.
Slipknot is Nu-Metal.
Dope is Nu-Metal and Industrial.
Ministry... what the fuck are they exactly lol :P I really don't know if they count. I guess so :P I don't really know their stuff though.
Slayer is one of the big four of Thrash Metal, so yes.
Celldweller are Industrial Metal... don't think we accept that genre either.
Soad and Rammstein are Nu-Metal and Industrial Metal.

Looking through your list I must tell you that you wouldn't really fit in the Metal Hell. You have 2 bands on your list. We could suggest a few bands you could like if you are still interrested in joinning. I'm not trying to be a bitch to you, but if you are really into Nu-Metal and Industrial Metal, you won't like what you'll find here.

I can still give you a fuck suggestions based on the two metal bands you have on your list.

Somewhat similar to In Flames or Melodic Death Metal stuff...
Dark Tranquillity
Scar Symmetry
Soilwork
Arch Enemy
At The Gates

Somewhat similar to Slayer or Thrash Metal stuff...
Megadeth
Kreator
Sodom
Anthrax
Exodus
Testament
Overkill

If you are still interrested in joinning make us a new list with 10 metal bands on it :)

At 5/27/10 06:59 PM, CheppZanoff wrote: I saw some convo about Ink Complete on this topic and with that, I think I'll look into them as well.

Ink Complete isn't a them. It's an album by Spastic Ink... Ron Jarzombek's band.
Check out Blotted Science too for heavier Jarzombek.

At 5/27/10 06:49 PM, Nev wrote: Jarzombek is literally the best guitarist I've ever heard. I still prefer Buckethead because of his image and diversity, but he has his off moments which can only be expected given his output. But Ron's talent, tone and composition is just outstanding. As far as Instrumental Metal albums and a guitar virtuoso one Ink Complete is untoppable.

Funny you talk about diversity here...

How is Buckethead more diversified than Jarzombeck?
I mean... Jarzombeck was in Watchtower, than Spastic Ink and Blotted Science and he also has a solo project. Not only are these bands all very different, but even from tracks to tracks these bands have a lot of diversity in their music.

Snake Corpse by Anthelion

Why wouldn't be discuss Industrial Metal? It's Metal after all.

New guy, to add to Duffs list check out Strapping Young Lad if you like Industrial/Thrash stuff.

At 5/27/10 07:04 PM, Nev wrote: Why wouldn't be discuss Industrial Metal? It's Metal after all.

Rammstein is Industrial Metal right? We always said no to Rammstein...

At 5/27/10 07:04 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: How is Buckethead more diversified than Jarzombeck?
I mean... Jarzombeck was in Watchtower, than Spastic Ink and Blotted Science and he also has a solo project. Not only are these bands all very different, but even from tracks to tracks these bands have a lot of diversity in their music.

Dude, its seriously a no brainer. Buckethead has done pretty much everything from Bluesy Rock to Noise. Look at his output and collaborations, it's insane.

At 5/27/10 07:07 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Rammstein is Industrial Metal right? We always said no to Rammstein...

Rammstein more Hard Rock than Metal. Industrial, yeah, but not Metal.
Industrial is like Fear Factory. I don't really listen to it though, so besides them I don't really know.

At 5/27/10 07:24 PM, Nev wrote:

Dude, its seriously a no brainer. Buckethead has done pretty much everything from Bluesy Rock to Noise. Look at his output and collaborations, it's insane.

Listenning to Jarzombeck's work I can easily tell you that the guy probably does play a lot of different musical genres. You do not get this far if you do not explore the universe of music. The difference is that Ron doesn't make any collabs so we can't really tell...

Rammstein more Hard Rock than Metal. Industrial, yeah, but not Metal.
Industrial is like Fear Factory. I don't really listen to it though, so besides them I don't really know.

Well if the Hell is fine with Industrial Metal than why not.

At 5/27/10 07:30 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: The difference is that Ron doesn't make any collabs so we can't really tell...

Well the fact that Buckethead has published work in all types of areas just goes to show he's more diverse as an artist.
No doubt that Ron is capable, but if he's not done it, then he's lost the battle :P.

At 5/27/10 07:34 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/27/10 07:30 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: The difference is that Ron doesn't make any collabs so we can't really tell...

Well the fact that Buckethead has published work in all types of areas just goes to show he's more diverse as an artist.
No doubt that Ron is capable, but if he's not done it, then he's lost the battle :P.

I wouldn't say that...

Buckethead has made a lot of more commercial work. When you are well-known on both the popular and underground scene it's easier to makes collabs with various artists. And when money is not a problem, which is probably the case for mister Guitar Hero, than I guess you have more time to work on a lot of different projects.

Last but not least... Buckethead has touched more different musical genres than Ron, but Jarzombeck excel in all the genres he played and Buckethead doesn't :P

Retrieving My Carcass by Fleshgod Apocalypse

When I first listened to Sleep Terror it was like, holy shit. The more and more I listened to it the more I saw holes in what everyone said was amazing about it.

Also, speaking of Behold... listen to Indricothere.

Buckethead is commercial? News to me.
And being more talented (which I don't agree with) is irrelevant. Face it Duff, Buckethead just wins this one :P.

I don't think Ron's musical history is that diverse, though I haven't heard this "Happy Kitties" project, and he was in a power metal band in the 80's. still, not really.

I've heard a lot of industrial enthusiasts swear that Rammstein is not industrial.

If you want good industrial metal, check out Godflesh. I remember liking Dimension F3h as well, but I have not listened in a long time.

At 5/27/10 07:47 PM, Nev wrote: Buckethead is commercial? News to me.
And being more talented (which I don't agree with) is irrelevant. Face it Duff, Buckethead just wins this one :P.

Not commercial? Dude... Fuckin Guitar Hero... Isn't that fucking commercial enough for you?
I also never said he was more talented (which he his). I said that his work was better. I think that what Jarzombeck writes is awesome. He write awesome guitar, awesome bass, awesome guitar. Buckethead only writes awesome guitar. All his work is based on the guitar work. Buckethead without the guitar is nothing, while Blotted Science and Spastic Ink would still have two of my favorite bassists if Ron Jarzombeck was not there. Don't worry... I know that these bands wouldn't exist without the guitar. But what I mean is that he's a better songwritter. Jarzombeck is not awesome because he can wank a guitar, he's awesome cause he writes amazing stuff. Buckethead writes good guitar... The other instruments are still good, but there is too much emphasis on the guitar in Buckethead's work.

At 5/27/10 07:56 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Not commercial? Dude... Fuckin Guitar Hero... Isn't that fucking commercial enough for you?

Not really. So he's wrote a song for it? So what? No one goes 'Oh whoa Buckethead I love him' its just 'Whoa Jordan is hard and I can play it. Go me!'
He's hardly commercial.

Anyway, this is going on too long and given Buckethead's style its not relevant. They're both amazing. All I'll say is listen to Colma, a beautiful, beautiful album :).

Are there any really good tribute albums that you guys enjoy? I really like A Tribute To The Beast Vol. 2. Any ones that I should check out that you guys enjoy?

At 5/27/10 08:10 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/27/10 07:56 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Not commercial? Dude... Fuckin Guitar Hero... Isn't that fucking commercial enough for you?

Not really. So he's wrote a song for it? So what? No one goes 'Oh whoa Buckethead I love him' its just 'Whoa Jordan is hard and I can play it. Go me!'
He's hardly commercial.

So why are DragonForce so dissed by ALL metalheads? I mean... they were not dissed before GH3 came out, but when all the teenage guitar heros started fapping over all of their work, then they became shit...

I don't think that Jordan is the only song that the GH kids like from Buckethead's discography. I wouldn't say that he's as commercial as some of the douchebags who got their songs on GH though.

At 5/27/10 08:13 PM, Zodir wrote: Are there any really good tribute albums that you guys enjoy? I really like A Tribute To The Beast Vol. 2. Any ones that I should check out that you guys enjoy?

Sadly, I do not really know of a lot of tribute albums. I know A Tribute To The Four Horsemen because of Therion... They play Fight Fire With Fire on it. Any good tributes I should check out?

Ahrimanic Trance by Wolves In The Throne Room

That's a fucking track you all need to listen to. Best Atmospheric Black Metal track EVER !!!

At 5/27/10 08:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: So why are DragonForce so dissed by ALL metalheads? I mean... they were not dissed before GH3 came out, but when all the teenage guitar heros started fapping over all of their work, then they became shit...

DragonForce were always shit. Its just for the first few albums they were tolerable and enjoyable. But still shit. Buckethead's music isn't that accessible. I love the guy and I find it difficult just because of the sheer amount of stuff he has and the amount it would cost me if I start trying to collect his work :P.

Sadly, I do not really know of a lot of tribute albums. I know A Tribute To The Four Horsemen because of Therion... They play Fight Fire With Fire on it. Any good tributes I should check out?

Most of the tribute albums I've heard are creativity vacuums where people just try and copy the band in ever regard. Perfect as Cats seems pretty good as all the musicians put their twist on The Cure's stuff. But obviously thats not Metal.
Metal wise I've only heard Kerrang's Master of Puppets thing which was pretty cack. Mastodon managed to make Orion dull as fuck.