At 5/8/10 09:46 PM, Zodir wrote: What is the one particular thing that drives you all crazy about metalcore? I'm just curious (and besides the fact that it is not metal).

Metalcore? I'd go with deathcore really. There is good deathcore... and there is that bouncy shit based on chuggy riffs, lame breakdowns, angry screamer, bad lyrics and uncreative melodies, riffs and silly hardcore attitude :)

At 5/8/10 09:46 PM, Zodir wrote: What is the one particular thing that drives you all crazy about metalcore? I'm just curious (and besides the fact that it is not metal).

The fact that it all sounds the same. Literally. God fucking damn it. Plus it's watered down melodeath meshed up for mainstream consumption. SOTS era At the Gates shit. Metalcore is for little kiddies with no ear for quality.

I swear Glen reminds me of a turkey when he growls! it's hillarious!

GROWLING TURKEY!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvcN9F0VJ jw&playnext_from=TL&videos=gMH-QrdgF-A

At 5/8/10 10:30 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Metalcore is for little kiddies with no ear for quality.

It still makes me sad to read stuff like that. I listen to a lot of stuff you guys like and I still can appreciate some metalcore.

At 5/8/10 11:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/8/10 10:30 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Metalcore is for little kiddies with no ear for quality.

It still makes me sad to read stuff like that. I listen to a lot of stuff you guys like and I still can appreciate some metalcore.

Metalcore is objectively bad.

At 5/9/10 12:21 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

Metalcore is objectively bad.

Haha :)
This kind of reminds me of something. And you know a lot of metalcore to say that?

I don't like metalcore vocals. And I don't like the punk influence; it doesn't sound like the punk influence in thrash, which I totally dig.

At 5/9/10 01:21 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: I don't like metalcore vocals.

For the most part, it's usually only the clean vocals in metalcore bands that are good.

And even those can suck at times.

And I don't like the punk influence; it doesn't sound like the punk influence in thrash, which I totally dig.

I don't like the punk influence in popular music at all. I don't mind a punk influence in metalcore anywhere nearly as much as I mind punk influences in pop.

Also, hardcore was basically created by both punk and thrash metal influences and metalcore wouldn't exist metalcore - so I guess it's good they take influence from their way back roots.

But whatever.

At 5/8/10 09:37 PM, stieDchienne wrote:

At 5/8/10 01:16 AM, smeagol1 wrote: I must say I like what Im hearing! :) One question though this is thrash metal right? but why does it sound like 1st wave black metal some what? IT'S FUCKING AWSOME THATS WHY!!!!!

I thought it did too! the early stuff that was linked kinda sound like old venom!

Kreator is awesome, that's why.

also, I don't know who was talking about alcest, but I just saw them live. I prefer it on cd though, not really a live band.

I was going to see them but they canceled and because they were the most popular band the three local and far less popular bands had to cancel as well.

I was really pissed.

On the subject of Alcest, their two albums are great.

At 5/8/10 11:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/8/10 10:30 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Metalcore is for little kiddies with no ear for quality.

It still makes me sad to read stuff like that. I listen to a lot of stuff you guys like and I still can appreciate some metalcore.

BTBAM's album Alaska, Threat Signal's first album and Sylosis's only album are the only metalcore albums i've listened to that I like

If you can recommend me any other good metalcore albums then please do so.

At 5/9/10 12:32 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/9/10 12:21 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

Metalcore is objectively bad.

Haha :)
This kind of reminds me of something. And you know a lot of metalcore to say that?

No, but I've heard enough to know that it's a vapid scene that's a perpetual cycle of ripping each other off for money. There's nothing good to be found in it, those who disagree are A) naive enough to think that there's something to be good in it or B) like it for reasons that I can't fathom.

At 5/9/10 01:28 AM, AniMetal wrote:

BTBAM's album Alaska, Threat Signal's first album and Sylosis's only album are the only metalcore albums i've listened to that I like

Never listenned to Alaska, I only know Colors. I think it's alright... nothing special about that album though. Kind of repetitive and unoriginal. They have interresting prog elements and some jazzy stuff, but BTBAM is not my favorite core band, at least, not from what I've heard...

Threat Signal's first album is unbelievable. It's great :) It has great thrash metal elements, some melodeath and some metalcore elements. Pretty awesome stuff. Dunno about Sylosis.

If you can recommend me any other good metalcore albums then please do so.

This Darkened Heart by All That Remains
We Are Gathered Here Today by Glass Casket
Bloodlust by Through The Eyes Of The Dead
Venom & Tears by Throwdown

All Shall Perish and Protest The Hero also have some good stuff, but I know you will not like PTH, maybe ASP could interest you a little.

At 5/9/10 01:45 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 5/9/10 12:32 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/9/10 12:21 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

Metalcore is objectively bad.

Haha :)
This kind of reminds me of something. And you know a lot of metalcore to say that?

No, but I've heard enough to know that it's a vapid scene that's a perpetual cycle of ripping each other off for money. There's nothing good to be found in it, those who disagree are A) naive enough to think that there's something to be good in it or B) like it for reasons that I can't fathom.

Core, like many genres, can take many forms. You will find it at a certain percentage in various different bands. Some bands, even bands considered metal like Benighted and Through The Eyes Of The Dead have some core elements.

It's like in any musical genres. Take some and leave some. There is a lot of uninspired, jumpy chuggy-chuggy riffs and silly breakdowns with angry teenage vocals and retarded pig squeals. But you'll find interresting stuff if you dig deeper. Leave the shit like War from a Harlots Mouth... and Molotov Solution aside, these bands are shit... and try finding some good stuff. Like Animetal said, BTBAM may have some interresting stuff and Threat Signal is rather good. I have listed a few other albums you could check out if you want to. Tell me what you think :P

At 5/9/10 02:05 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: It's like in any musical genres. Take some and leave some. There is a lot of uninspired, jumpy chuggy-chuggy riffs and silly breakdowns with angry teenage vocals and retarded pig squeals. But you'll find interresting stuff if you dig deeper. Leave the shit like War from a Harlots Mouth... and Molotov Solution aside, these bands are shit... and try finding some good stuff. Like Animetal said, BTBAM may have some interresting stuff and Threat Signal is rather good. I have listed a few other albums you could check out if you want to. Tell me what you think :P

BTBAM wouldn't be as annoying if they would stop trying to be prog, and cut down on the Necrophagist-esque approach to songwriting.

Threat Signal sounded like the metalcore bands I described above. Melodic intro that could be compared to sugar pop rock bands like the Beatles, then breakdown while still keeping it melodic. Turn up the distortion, and let loose the pseudo-growls. Next, why not some band boy singing? Fuck no.

Now, the only band I ever liked with metalcore attached to it would be Deadguy, it wasn't so much metalcore as it was super angry hardcore music. I don't mean macho tough guy wannabes likeEmmure or Pantera, just that the music was angry and intense. Oh well, you either like it or you don't. If metalcore was like that, I probably wouldn't hate it as much. One can only wonder how different music would of been ifAt the Gates never put out Slaughter of the Soul, and In Flames never existed.

At 5/9/10 01:28 AM, AniMetal wrote: For the most part, it's usually only the clean vocals in metalcore bands that are good.

And even those can suck at times.

Ugh I HATE the clean vocals. All the clean core vocals I've heard have either been nasal pop-punk whines or tough-guy shouts.

But whatever.

It's weird because thrash was really influenced by punk, which was then influenced by metal, which is now being recombined with music that it once inspired and influenced, so it's like a big musical circlejerk. Or musical inbreeding, if you'd like to think of it like that.

Most of the metalcore I've heard goes like this:

Melodic intro
Melodic intro backed by the rest of the band
Same intro leading up to the first verse this time with double bass
Growling vocals on a big heavy-ish/fast riff
Chorus containing clean vocals with elements of the intro packed into the chorus riff
repeat x2
breakdown
breakdown overstays its welcome by a minute
end.

But that's just me. I do like SOME metalcore, and only some, even then I can't think of the ones I do enjoy, but yeah. I like the clean vocals when they're not crap.

Happy birthday to me for yesterday.

At 5/7/10 06:39 PM, stieDchienne wrote:

At 5/7/10 06:20 PM, Origina-l wrote:

Looks like your a big fan of prog. power metal eh?

where do you see power metal in there, except for bathory maybe? not that I don't like power metal.

I was just pullin' yo leg :P Your list was 100% black, so i had the urge to post something completely different :P

At 5/8/10 04:43 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/8/10 04:01 PM, Nev wrote:

Name a few Post-Metal bands please.

Kayo Dot
maudlin of the Well
Today is the Day
Kekal
Meshuggah

I would highly boubt the fact that meshuggah is post-metal...

At 5/8/10 09:46 PM, Zodir wrote: What is the one particular thing that drives you all crazy about metalcore? I'm just curious (and besides the fact that it is not metal).

Some weeks ago I realised that I don't like Metalcore, I like Melodic Metalcore, it may sound stupid but it's not, As Blood Runs Black play Metalcore, Trivium plays Melodic Metalcore, just an example. If you hear ABRB and Trivium you'll notice a huge difference. What l like in Melodic Metalcore is the emotion on it.

The only thing that annoys me about metalcore is the tacked-on clean chorus that every song seems to have. I could enjoy most metalcore if not for that.

At 5/8/10 08:23 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 5/8/10 12:35 AM, AniMetal wrote:

So even though you claim Kreator is your favorite thrash metal band, you say one of their most acclaimed albums is a big pile of shit. Do you even own Pleasure to Kill?

Sometimes his logic's...weird.

At 5/8/10 03:50 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: It's sad how there isn't any Metal genre phase nowadays, or a new style of Metal appearing up, it's like everything has been invented yet.

And this is why I stick with what I know.

At 5/8/10 09:46 PM, Zodir wrote: What is the one particular thing that drives you all crazy about metalcore? I'm just curious (and besides the fact that it is not metal).

I don't hate metalcore (well, maybe certain bands) but I feel the genre doesn't have great characteristics to the sound.

At 5/9/10 05:28 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

Happy birthday to me for yesterday.

Happy Birthday!

I don't like core either. But this core videoclip made me laugh because of how it looks like a gangster clip

At 5/9/10 10:12 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Trivium and Avenged Sevenfold got WORSE

Does. Not. Compute.

Happy Mother's Day you fucks.

At 5/7/10 04:30 PM, Dalnaki wrote: So I just listened toBi Kyo Ran on youtube. Really cool stuff. Thanks, Sense-Offender.

yup yup

I want to get another album of theirs. All I actually have in my collection is the soundtrack for Cromartie High School, which is actually really good.

Wich kreator song should I listen to?

EX!
TREME!
AGGRESSSION!

At 5/8/10 05:06 PM, Nev wrote: I prefer Toby's Kayo Dot stuff if I'm honest, its pretty much the same band under a different name. Choirs of the Eye is a fanastic album though, so thats why I prefer KD. Check that out.

I would get this and Maudlin of the Well's album My Fruit Psychobells: a Seed Incombustible...I think I got that title right. And for Kekal, the album Audible Minority is really good. I want to get the Habit of Fire, though. I think I heard like one or two songs from it and I have a good feeling about that album.

I'm making a friend of mine a Doom Metal mix CD for her birthday.

Recommend me some pretty damn epic doom metal songs to put on it.

At 5/9/10 01:28 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

Happy Mother's Day you fucks.

We should be wishing this to goatchrist.

At 5/9/10 01:54 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

Wich kreator song should I listen to?

EX!
TREME!
AGGRESSSION!

SO!
CIETY!
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME?

At 5/9/10 08:36 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 5/8/10 08:23 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 5/8/10 12:35 AM, AniMetal wrote:

So even though you claim Kreator is your favorite thrash metal band, you say one of their most acclaimed albums is a big pile of shit. Do you even own Pleasure to Kill?

Sometimes his logic's...weird.

I think it's a good album, but Kreator have better albums.

Like Metallica's black album, despite it being good and their most famous album - it doesn't compare to Master Of Puppets or Ride The Lightning.

At 5/9/10 02:05 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Never listenned to Alaska, I only know Colors. I think it's alright... nothing special about that album though. Kind of repetitive and unoriginal. They have interresting prog elements and some jazzy stuff, but BTBAM is not my favorite core band, at least, not from what I've heard...

I got Alaska, loved it - then I was recommended colors, got it and was vastly disappointed.

Dunno about Sylosis.

Imagine threat signal's first album only with a good vocalist and slightly less technical.

This Darkened Heart by All That Remains
We Are Gathered Here Today by Glass Casket
Bloodlust by Through The Eyes Of The Dead
Venom & Tears by Throwdown

Will check these out.

At 5/9/10 02:04 PM, AniMetal wrote: I'm making a friend of mine a Doom Metal mix CD for her birthday.

Recommend me some pretty damn epic doom metal songs to put on it.

Saturnus - I long
Doom:VS - **** sleep (forgot the first word)
Mar de grises - Self portrait No.1
Something by Ataraxie (saw them live yesterday, awesome funeral doom)
etc...

Anyone here like Mr. Big?

A friend of mine just told me DragonForce are one of his top 5 favourite bands. Please suggest some actual good power metal bands I can recommend to him.

At 5/9/10 03:49 PM, SomaGuye wrote: A friend of mine just told me DragonForce are one of his top 5 favourite bands. Please suggest some actual good power metal bands I can recommend to him.

1. Gamma Ray
2. Helloween
3. Jag Panzer
4. Edguy
5. Black Majesty
6. Avantasia
7. Sonata Arctica
8. Thunderstone
9. Crescent Shield
10. Stratovarius
11. Dragonland
12. Zandelle
13. Hammerfall
14. Elvenking
15. Blind Guardian
16. Rhapsody (of Fire)

There. Those are some good Power metal bands

At 5/9/10 04:18 PM, Zodir wrote: 15. Blind Guardian

Move this one to number 1.

There. Those are some good Power metal bands

Also if you're looking for more power metal bands better than dragonforce: Any and all other power metal bands in existence.

At 5/9/10 04:20 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 5/9/10 04:18 PM, Zodir wrote: 15. Blind Guardian

Move this one to number 1.

It wasn't in any particular order. Just order of which I thought of them.

At 5/9/10 06:52 AM, Origina-l wrote: I would highly boubt the fact that meshuggah is post-metal...

Well they're called Post-Thrash. Thrash = Metal. So therefore Post-Metal.

At 5/9/10 01:28 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

Happy Mother's Day you fucks.

Mother's Day was months ago you twonk :P.

At 5/9/10 02:04 PM, AniMetal wrote: Recommend me some pretty damn epic doom metal songs to put on it.

Warning - Footprints
Dystopia - Backstabber
Electric Wizard - Funeralopolis
Lazarus Blackstar - Tragedy of the Monochrome Man
Om - At Giza
Weedeater - God Luck and Good Speed
Candlemass - At the Gallows End
Daylight Dies - Dismantling Devotion
Hooded Menace - Grasp of the Beastwoman
Yearning - Plaintive Scenes

As for Metalcore... meh, its largely pants.

Radiohead - Lucky (Ok, Computer)

At 5/9/10 02:22 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

BTBAM wouldn't be as annoying if they would stop trying to be prog, and cut down on the Necrophagist-esque approach to songwriting.

It's the first time I ever ear the comparison between BTBAM and Necrophagist. I guess you are the only one to ever ear this lol. You need to know that Necrophagist are not the only guitar wankers out there.

Threat Signal sounded like the metalcore bands I described above. Melodic intro that could be compared to sugar pop rock bands like the Beatles, then breakdown while still keeping it melodic. Turn up the distortion, and let loose the pseudo-growls. Next, why not some band boy singing? Fuck no.

Melodic intro??? The freakin fuck you are talking about? Go through the first 7 tracks of the first album, only A New Beginning and Seing Red have a melodic intro. All the others, are way more thrash metal influenced intro then metalcore... Hahaha! loose pseudo-growls? This guy as a powerful fucking voice no matter what is your favorite shit. They also have the rare good breakdowns I have heard. I don't see why you think that using the word "breakdown" is actually an argument to explain why core is bad. If you can do it go, then why not. And now you are taking a shit on The Beatles lol?

Counterbalance is one of those "songs with a melodic intro" you are talking about?
And even if it is kind of melodic... it's probably cause they are melodic death metal at some point...

Now, the only band I ever liked with metalcore attached to it would be Deadguy, it wasn't so much metalcore as it was super angry hardcore music. I don't mean macho tough guy wannabes likeEmmure or Pantera, just that the music was angry and intense. Oh well, you either like it or you don't. If metalcore was like that, I probably wouldn't hate it as much. One can only wonder how different music would of been ifAt the Gates never put out Slaughter of the Soul, and In Flames never existed.

Now you are going against metal bands? lol
Fuck Pantera, fuck At The Gates and fuck In Flames !!!

At 5/9/10 05:28 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Most of the metalcore I've heard goes like this

Then listen to the bands I listed, starting with Glass Casket.

And Nev, you cannot complain about core, because you jump the fuck up way too much :)
Limp Bizkit mother fuckers!!!