At 4/28/10 10:02 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: Nah man, I mean, like buying the actual album off amazon. It says New, but is amazon trustworthy? I've never used it before.

Amazon themselves are good but don't offer the cheapest prices. Plus, it can take time for them to ship out certain albums. As for the Amazon sellers, it's a matter of taking risks. Only a minority have 99/100% positive feedback while most are around 90 - 96. Sure, it's still high but there's a good chance of something bad happening to your order. I've had some bad experiences before.

At 4/28/10 10:37 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 4/28/10 08:30 AM, Bahamut wrote: *heads his head repeatedly against a wall* Seriously, I get sick of these stupid comments about a particular subgenre of metal. I'm not a big fan of melodeath but throwing the term pop around is downright retarded.

Melodic Death Metal as poppish song structures.

God. Fucking. Dammit. If you're just going to throw that stupid term around, you may as well call other parts of metal pop and compare them to Britney Spears. I hear catchy choruses, catchy lead melodies and sing along parts in many other metal bands who aren't melodeath in the slightest.

With catchy chorus, catchy lead melodies, sing along parts, clean vocals with easy words to remember.

In that case, you may as well call Iron Maiden pop. That's why your logic fails and why the term pop should never be thrown around in heavy metal.

Stop calling me a retard for stating obvious facts.

Obvious facts? Give me a break.

New Altar Of Plagues EP is amazing.

At 4/28/10 11:41 AM, PenisClown wrote:

At 4/27/10 08:52 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I really don't care about this list thing. whatever.

That's what I've been thinking while face palming HeavenDuff's walls of text.

See, you and me man. And Bill. We're the real cool peeps here.

lol

At 4/28/10 08:38 PM, Nev wrote: Not caring about Ulver makes you wrong :P.

Still: Ufomammut, Unearthly Trance, Unexpect.
Doom, Doom, Avant-Garde.

Those are the exactly the bands I was going to recommend, aside from Unearthly Trance, though I heard some stuff from them and liked it.

Umbra Nihil is alright, also. I especially like the song Words Left Unspoken, though I like the intro more than the rest of the song.

At 4/29/10 05:05 AM, PenisClown wrote: My favourite that starts with a U is Ufomammut. They're great tripping metal, get Snailking.

yes. Snailking is a fucking trip, and so is Lucifer Songs...and Idolum. Godlike Snake doesn't really stick out in my mind, though. I like to get high, lie down on my bed with my subwoofer above my head and my speakers lying on either side of my head, and turn that shit on. stare at the ceiling...buuuuuh.

At 4/28/10 10:02 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: Nah man, I mean, like buying the actual album off amazon. It says New, but is amazon trustworthy? I've never used it before.

Amazon is good. I use it all the time. Although I once ordered a Tyr album that took more than a month to freaking get here. You can download from Amazon, too. I plan on downloading Yesterday's New Quintet - Angels Without Edges.

On a lighter note, I finally got myself to write up a review for Candlemass' Epicus Doomicus Metallicus. Probably not much for those who have known this album for a long time now but I wanted to review it myself and share my thoughts. I'm hoping to write up a few more reviews but I'm not promising anything.

At 4/29/10 10:56 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Although I once ordered a Tyr album that took more than a month to freaking get here.

Only once this has happened to me and that was back in 2006 when I was trying to get Blind Guardian's Nightfall in Middle-Earth. The other two bad experiences I've had with Amazon sellers was one giving me the wrong CD while the other didn't even have my desired CD in stock and left me hanging. Had to file a complaint for the latter.

At 4/29/10 12:09 PM, Bahamut wrote: Epicus Doomicus Metallicus

Honestly, for me, Messiah>>>>all. Ancient Dreams is amazing.

At 4/29/10 12:09 PM, Bahamut wrote: Only once this has happened to me and that was back in 2006 when I was trying to get Blind Guardian's Nightfall in Middle-Earth. The other two bad experiences I've had with Amazon sellers was one giving me the wrong CD while the other didn't even have my desired CD in stock and left me hanging. Had to file a complaint for the latter.

Well, that was through one of those different vendors and not from Amazon itself, yes? I ordered a VHS tape once from a different vendor and it never showed up and they never responded to e-mail, but it was like a dollar. maybe 2 or 3 dollars. But I've ordered used stuff from other people a couple times and that was the only time I had a problem. The Tyr album was straight from Amazon.

miss this album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeV8GGmUb 6E&playnext_from=TL&videos=WPu2VhtLS9U

At 4/29/10 04:15 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 4/28/10 11:41 AM, PenisClown wrote: Love it. But like, I think Gorod is better than all of those bands. They're my absolute favourite death metal band at the moment.

Agreed. Gorod is one of the few technical death metal bands that don't fill their songs full of pointless wankery nowadays.

Gorod sounds exactly like every other Necrophagist clone I've heard. If you think that's not wank, then what is?

Never listened to Necrophagist are they worth listening too?

Sorry if this is dumb question.

At 4/29/10 08:03 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Never listened to Necrophagist are they worth listening too?

Sorry if this is dumb question.

I quite enjoy them, but it depends on your tastes. I'd recommend listening to them, all of their stuff.

At 4/29/10 08:11 PM, Zodir wrote:

At 4/29/10 08:03 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Never listened to Necrophagist are they worth listening too?

Sorry if this is dumb question.

I quite enjoy them, but it depends on your tastes. I'd recommend listening to them, all of their stuff.

I'll listen later.

You'll probably like Necrophagist if you think sweep picking and guitar solos every 20 seconds and constant drum rolls/fills are better than actually writing songs, because you know, being technical simply for the sake of being technical is awesome. Fuck songwriting, and song progression. You know what, fuck everything that doesn't have sweeps. Yeah.

Can't stop listening to ColdWorld. Somebody check them out.

I found new folk metal band it all based off of Tolkien material.

BattleLore-The Third Immortal

At 4/29/10 08:55 AM, Bahamut wrote:

God. Fucking. Dammit. If you're just going to throw that stupid term around, you may as well call other parts of metal pop and compare them to Britney Spears. I hear catchy choruses, catchy lead melodies and sing along parts in many other metal bands who aren't melodeath in the slightest.

Pop =/= Britney Spears. By pop I mean any commercial or radio friendly music. John Mayer let's say... makes pop music. It's not pop like Britney Spears but it's commercial music. John Mayer makes very good music, but it does have these specific sturctures I was mentionning.

In that case, you may as well call Iron Maiden pop. That's why your logic fails and why the term pop should never be thrown around in heavy metal.

With the definition of pop I just gave, yes, Iron Maiden would be a more popish and commercial brand of metal. I mean, there are reasons why they are popular even with non-metalheads.

If you really can't understand why I say melodeath is more commercial than a lot of other metal genres, than I fucking give up dude...

At 4/29/10 04:15 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 4/28/10 11:41 AM, PenisClown wrote: Love it. But like, I think Gorod is better than all of those bands. They're my absolute favourite death metal band at the moment.

Agreed. Gorod is one of the few technical death metal bands that don't fill their songs full of pointless wankery nowadays.

I say Origin and Benighted make good technical death metal bands. Origin's technical parts fits perfectly in the melodies.

At 4/30/10 12:59 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I say Origin and Benighted make good technical death metal bands. Origin's technical parts fits perfectly in the melodies.

100% agree on the Benighted part, Origin do alright for it too.

Hour of Penance and especially Fleshgod Apocalypse are master of Technical Brutal Death Metal.
They don't write tech stuff to be tech but because it actually sounds good and makes musical sense.

At 4/29/10 05:05 AM, PenisClown wrote: You remind me of a thirteen year old me. Arrogant, nasty, immature and a little annoying.

LOL WHATS CHANGED LOL!LOL!LOL

Also, Necrophagist are sweet. I mean, they're no Demilich, but they're still sweet. Writing songs is for fucking losers anyway.

At 4/29/10 02:20 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Honestly, for me, Messiah>>>>all.

No doubt he's the best singer for Candlemass but I still like Johan from the first album.

Ancient Dreams is amazing.

Haven't picked this up yet but I'm after it along with the two latest albums. As for the other Candlemass albums, maybe but I better check if they sound good or not.

At 4/30/10 12:59 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: than I fucking give up dude...

Good because you've been talking nothing but garbage here.

At 4/30/10 09:17 AM, Bahamut wrote: but I better check if they sound good or not.

I consider myself a pretty big Candlemass fan, but there are a few albums that don't live up to the others (like any band, really). Rob Lowe is an amazing vocalist, but I really don't feel like he is the right fit for the band. He has an amazing voice but I just don't get the feeling that I get when I listen to him as opposed to listening to Messiah.

At 4/30/10 12:59 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: If you really can't understand why I say melodeath is more commercial than a lot of other metal genres, than I fucking give up dude...

You're mistaking accessibility for pop.

Bruce, have you seen Lowe Candlemass live? I thought he performs the Messiah material really well. Obviously Messiah voice is beyond anyone elses, but he did himself a great justice in my book :).

At 4/30/10 12:41 PM, Nev wrote: Bruce, have you seen Lowe Candlemass live? I thought he performs the Messiah material really well. Obviously Messiah voice is beyond anyone elses, but he did himself a great justice in my book :).

I've seen videos, but never in person. They've never come to my neck of the woods. I know he does the stuff well, but like you said Messiah's voice is beyond anyone else's. Plus, there is the energy that Messiah brought to the live shows. Nothing beats the hammerbanging or whatever he calls how he headbangs. I call it hammerbanging. I guess I'm just not sold on Rob in Candlemass yet. Solitude Aeturnus is amazing but I don't know about Candlemass.

At 4/30/10 12:58 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Plus, there is the energy that Messiah brought to the live shows. Nothing beats the hammerbanging or whatever he calls how he headbangs.

This is a point. And the hair. That glorious, glorious hair.

Necrophagist is da shit!!!!!! This guitar riffs are amazing!

(Insert shark whistle here) :3

At 4/30/10 09:17 AM, Bahamut wrote:

Good because you've been talking nothing but garbage here.

Just shut the freakin fuck up!
There is two fucking real metalheads among my friends. Me and my best friend, all the others are fucking melodeath/metalcore fans. Don't you fucking understand that even if melodeath is a very nice genre, there is still a lot of fake metalheads among melodeath fans? You know, kids who listen to melodeath and metalcore ONLY with the very few common exceptions, Megadeth, Metallican, Iron Maiden.

There are metalheads and there are these fake motherfuckin teenage metal fans. And I'm not talking about being tr00 and kvlt, I'm talking about having diversified tastes in metal, and knowing how to listen to metal music. Anytime I try to make them listen to death/black/folk/doom metal or any genre that is not FUCKING MELODEATH, they don't like it. So you say it's garbage, I say it's fucking common sense.

At 4/30/10 04:59 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 4/30/10 12:59 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I say Origin and Benighted make good technical death metal bands. Origin's technical parts fits perfectly in the melodies.

100% agree on the Benighted part, Origin do alright for it too.

Hour of Penance and especially Fleshgod Apocalypse are master of Technical Brutal Death Metal.
They don't write tech stuff to be tech but because it actually sounds good and makes musical sense.

I think there is something missing to Fleshgod Apocalypse... They make pretty decent tech death with interresting riffs. But there is something missing... I really like Retrieving My Carcass though. The riffs are soooo fucking much influenced by classical musical. It sounds great :)

Retrieving My Carcass by Fleshgod Apocalypse

At 4/30/10 05:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Just shut the freakin fuck up!

lol

So... Gorod?

PenisClown said it was good, but I've seen on last.fm that some people think they share similarities with Spawn Of Possession. I don't know about Gorod, I'll try to download some of their wankery soon. But Spawn Of Possession, while being kind of good is not the best technical death metal ever. So what, are they really similar to Gorod?

At 4/30/10 07:08 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 4/30/10 05:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Just shut the freakin fuck up!

lol

This family moment. You two get a room now.

At 4/30/10 05:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Metallican

Metallican?

I'm looking for bands that play Groove and Death Metal, is there such kind of thing like that?