At 1/7/10 07:02 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: HOW LONG HAS DRMAFESTO BEEN ROKURO
DID EVERYONE KNOW THIS BUT ME OR SOMETHING

I was shocked and appauled too.
I thought we'd come across one of those rarities that is a genuinely decent new member.

At 1/7/10 08:26 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I want this album so fucking bad. Can someone give it to me?

I'm happy to do it.

At 1/7/10 08:45 PM, Bahamut wrote:

stuff.

Don't go so hard on me. When I download an album it's so listen to it a little more and get used to their stuff. Right now, I really know of two songs on the album and I would like to get to know their stuff better. When I download and really like the album, I always go back and find a way to buy the real album. Which I did for Agalloch, Ulver, Blood Red Throne, The Morningside, Decapitated and all these band's albums that I already had on my iPod and iTunes but that I still bought cause I love their stuff.

At 1/7/10 08:57 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/7/10 08:26 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I want this album so fucking bad. Can someone give it to me?

I'm happy to do it.

Well, thanks. Let's just hope that Bahamut won't crucify us both for this.
Do you have the original versions of the tracks or some limewire cheap shits? :P
Anyway, I'll PM you my email adress.

My problem with buying CDs is that I don't like ordering things like films, games and CDs from the internet. I'm not afraid of being conned, I'm just impatient and like to have something instantly (although I make an exception for games before they're dear as shit in stores).
And if I like an artist enough I'll happily go out of my way to go to HMV and buy another new these people release, whilst working my way back through their catalogue too.

But in reality downloading music is cheaper and easier. And I'm poor and lazy.
I plan to redeem myself in the future when I'm working full time, but until then... meh.

At 1/7/10 09:11 PM, Nev wrote:
But in reality downloading music is cheaper and easier. And I'm poor and lazy.
I plan to redeem myself in the future when I'm working full time, but until then... meh.

Agreed. Downloading is a really easy way to do things. CDs in general are way too expensive, IMO. 16 bucks for ten tracks is ridiculous.

You are still better than these pricks who never bought a single album in their entire life...

At 1/7/10 09:22 PM, Rokuro wrote:

At 1/7/10 09:11 PM, Nev wrote:
But in reality downloading music is cheaper and easier. And I'm poor and lazy.
I plan to redeem myself in the future when I'm working full time, but until then... meh.

Agreed. Downloading is a really easy way to do things. CDs in general are way too expensive, IMO. 16 bucks for ten tracks is ridiculous.

Sorry for double-post but...
are you serious?...
I hope you are kidding...
Some guys from a band you like have been working on an album for 3 years... they are 5 members in the band... they have to pay everybody working on the album... and you think that giving them 16 bucks is too much money?
I know you are not the only guy who can buy their album... but... this is something they have worked on full time for more than a year...
I give them credits for selling awesome work at such a low cost.
When your fucking name is Bono, than you can affort to sell an album for 12 bucks. But that's not the case for underground bands.

At 1/7/10 09:07 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Right now, I really know of two songs on the album and I would like to get to know their stuff better.

If you've only heard a track or two from one album, that's alright. I don't mind anyone just hearing a preview of what the album's like so you can decide whether you like it or not before buying. If it's downloading the whole album, though, that's just lame.

At 1/7/10 09:22 PM, Rokuro wrote: Agreed. Downloading is a really easy way to do things. CDs in general are way too expensive, IMO. 16 bucks for ten tracks is ridiculous.

I'll admit that there's too many albums that are overpriced in local stores but if they are, then try and find a place where it's sold for a reasonable price. I rarely get anything from HMV that's at least £13. I usually get an album for that much if it's a 2 in 1 album. However, I recently got a reward card with HMV so I can use that to buy more expensive albums without actually paying a single penny for it.

At 1/7/10 09:27 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You are still better than these pricks who never bought a single album in their entire life...

I know a few like that and they disgust me. They show absolutely no respect to the artists they're listening to and I feel like reporting them to the authorities. I often hear the excuse "I don't have the money" and if they can't afford to buy music, tough shit! There are many things you may not be able to get like a brand new TV or a house because you don't have sufficient funds but you don't go and take them without paying a single penny for them.

Im not saying that they don't need or deserve the money, its just harder to become musically cultured buying albums at $20 bucks a pop. You know? Thats why internet has made it easier for people to listen to all the music they want.

Not advocating piracy or anything. Just saying. :x

At 1/7/10 09:36 PM, Bahamut wrote: If it's downloading the whole album, though, that's just lame.

After reading Rokuro's post just after mine, I just want to add an extra thought to that post. If the album is legally available to download or stream anywhere like on Last.fm, that's also fine with me. I'm more against those who download full albums illegally.

At 1/7/10 09:36 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/7/10 09:07 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Right now, I really know of two songs on the album and I would like to get to know their stuff better.

If you've only heard a track or two from one album, that's alright. I don't mind anyone just hearing a preview of what the album's like so you can decide whether you like it or not before buying. If it's downloading the whole album, though, that's just lame.

Like I tolk you, I did download full albums only to buy the album later. This is my way to show my respect to artists. Stealing is already cheap... but stealing from an artist that you like is like saying "fuck you, don't ever try to entertain me again"

Anyway. I think internet is very bad for artists... but in some cases, like mine, it's very good for them. Because if it was not for the internet, it would be fucking hard for me to learn about them. It's sad that the majority of people are not like me though...

At 1/7/10 09:48 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Anyway. I think internet is very bad for artists... but in some cases, like mine, it's very good for them. Because if it was not for the internet, it would be fucking hard for me to learn about them. It's sad that the majority of people are not like me though...

Some people say always look at the positives more than the negatives and I'd say it's true for the internet and the music industry. The internet has given people an easy way to find many artists and if they're not fucking cheapskates, then the artists will be getting more money for their efforts.

Heh, if we never had the internet, I would have never heard of most of my favourite bands such as Blind Guardian and Helloween. That's a scary thought since the only music I would be able to come across is in music stores and then I'd have to resort to *gulp* TV.

As I'm bored I'm going to list the CDs I do own. I will be destroyed by other folk (Bahamut in particular :P), but sod it.

Also... what Duff said.

Starting off with the rubbish I don't have in my CD racks. Some of which totally don't deserve to be there(*).

Bon Jovi - Crossroads*
Electric Six - Fire*
Blink-182 - Take Off Your Pants and Jacket
U2 - All That You Can't Leave Behind
Coldplay - Parachutes* (but I have this twice)
Kid Rock - Cocky
Oasis - Heathen Chemistry

Onto the stuff I'm proud of:

Imogen Heap - Ellipse
Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Dream Theater - Live at the Marquee
Dream Theater - Consciously Unreal
Dream Theater - Awake
Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons
Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity
Dream Theater - Once in a LIVE Time
Dream Theater - Metropolis, Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory
Dream Theater - Live Scenes from New York
Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Dream Theater - Train of Thought
Dream Theater - Octavarium
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos (Special Edition)
Dream Theater - Greatest Hit...
Dream Theater - Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Dream Theater - Live at Budokan
Dream Theater - En Directo

Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
Opeth - Still Life
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Damnation

Gojira - The Way of All Flesh
Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle-Earth
Buckethead - Bucketheadland
Buckethead - Giant Robot
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 1 (Extended Edition)
Sigur Rós - Með suð í eyrum við spilum endalaust

The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium
The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
The Mars Volta - Amputechture
The Mars Volta - The Bedlam in Goliath

Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Megadeth - Rust in Peace

Joy Division - The Best Of
Boris - Pink
Mayhem - Mediolanum Capta Est
DragonForce - Inhuman Rampage

Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy

Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction
Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion I
Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion II
Guns N' Roses - Greatest Hits

System of a Down - System of a Down
System of a Down - Toxicity
System of a Down - Steal This Album
System of a Down - Mezmerize
System of a Down - Hypnotize

Jeff Buckley - Grace
Coldplay - Parachutes
Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
John Frusciante - Shadows Collide With People
Queensrÿche - Greatest Hits
Cradle of Filth - Damnation and a Day
Pantera - Official Live: 101 Proof
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium

Various Orchestras - 100 Late Night Classics

Yawn.

The thing about music piracy isn't totally the fault of those downloading the music. If a friend of yours steals a car, you'd be shocked. If they stole a chocolate bar, you'd probably be shocked. Downloading music illegal has become accepted as the norm. And unfortunately for artists, its probably not going to go anywhere. It's shitty, but its true.
The music industry hasn't caught up with the advancement the internet brought about. And for that reason, its partly their fault as well.

Things like Spotify are the way forward I think.

And I forgot to add to my list: Kate Bush - The Kick Inside (vinyl)

At 1/7/10 09:48 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Like I tolk you, I did download full albums only to buy the album later.

Same.

I think it is sad for artists, they need our support. And true fans like us give it to them. Its those kids on 4chan and stuff that just mooch.

I would have never found as many artists as I did without internet recommendations and stuff like that. Also, having a CD exchange shop near you like me works wonders for swapping out albums. :) Although its like EB Games and game trade-in shops... you trade them for a huge loss. Depending on the rarity.

I own too many CDs to sift through. Haha.

At 1/7/10 09:59 PM, Nev wrote: Starting off with the rubbish I don't have in my CD racks. Some of which totally don't deserve to be there(*).

I totally know what you're talking about. I have a collection of CDs like that too.

Cannibal Corpse - The Wretched Spawn
Cannibal Corpse - Tomb of the Mutilated
Foreigner - Greatest Hits (didn't have all the songs)
Alex Winston - By The Roots
Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Metallica - Kill Em All
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Black Label Society - Damnation (or something like that)
Green Day - International Superhits!
Green Day - American Idiot
Weird Al - Poodle Hat
Weird Al - Off The Deep End
Weird Al - Straight Outta Lynwood
Weird Al - Running With Scissors
Megadeth - Greatest Hits

There are more but I'm too embarrassed to dig through my CD collection.

At 1/7/10 10:23 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote:

At 1/7/10 09:59 PM, Nev wrote: Starting off with the rubbish I don't have in my CD racks. Some of which totally don't deserve to be there(*).

I totally know what you're talking about. I have a collection of CDs like that too.

I dig your style. International Superhits! is a great album.
Also, I need to get back into Weird Al. I owned every album of his up to Running With Scissors, but lost them somewhere. :x

Oh well. Here's a small taste of stuff I just found:

Albums I acquired through working with Roadrunner:

Airbourne -Runnin' Wild
De Nevo Dahl
Annihilator - Se the World on Fire/ In command
Opeth - Ghost Reveries

The Rest:
Tool - 10,000 days
Daft Punk - Musique Vol. I 1993-2005
Dir En Grey - Withering to death
Sonata Arctica - Winterheart's Guild
King Diamond - Abigail
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium
The White Stripes - Get Behind Me Satan
Dragonforce - Inhuman Rampage
Metallica - Reload
In Flames - Colony
VA - Dragonforce String Tribute
Wolfmother - Wolf Mother
Nujabes/Fatjon - departure
White Zombie - La Sexercisto: Devil Music Vol. 1
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Meat Loaf - Bat out of Hell
Ensiferum - Ensiferum
Audioslave - Audioslave
Gamma Ray - Majestic
Vektor - Demolition
The Black Dahlia Murder - Miasma
The Black Dahlia Murder - Unhallowed
Angra - Tempe of Shadows
Helloween - The Best, The Rest, The Rare
Daisuke Ishiwatari - GGXX OST (power metal instrumentals)
All That Remains - The Fall of Ideals

At 1/7/10 10:23 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Cannibal Corpse - The Wretched Spawn
Cannibal Corpse - Tomb of the Mutilated

How in god's name do you identify Cannibal Corpse as rubbish? Unless you're talking about just those specific albums, still, CC kicks ass.

At 1/7/10 10:37 PM, Rokuro wrote: I dig your style. International Superhits! is a great album.
Also, I need to get back into Weird Al. I owned every album of his up to Running With Scissors, but lost them somewhere. :x

That's stuff I exhausted because I listened to it too much, phases of stuff I was infatuated with. I'm ashamed to admit I used to love Green Day and Weird Al. I've grown since then though.

At 1/7/10 10:51 PM, mothballs wrote: How in god's name do you identify Cannibal Corpse as rubbish? Unless you're talking about just those specific albums, still, CC kicks ass.

They first got me into extreme metal, and I'll give them that, but I find them entry level and pretty generic. I'm embarrassed to own the albums, I hide them where no one can see them.

Sorry to burst all your guys' bubbles, but CD sales and merch don't support the artists as much as you think they do (see handy-dandy pie chart below). Most, if not all, bands get their money from the record label, not the CD sales themselves. They get a cent, or a fraction of a cent, whenever you buy a CD or a shirt or something. The money that the band members actually get comes from their contracts (you sign and get a nice check) and concerts they put on. CD sales is a very marginal amount of profit; most of it goes to the record label. The aggregate of all the CD sales from that particular record label then amounts to a fair fee, and that gets put in a big pot and redistributed to everyone. In a way, yes, CD sales do go to the band member, but your decision to pirate something isn't going to make or break an artist, so don't autofellate yourself too much when you buy your copy of Dopethrone, and don't bemoan the fact that you have no choice but to download it.

also, most bands we listen to aren't in it for the money anyway, or they'd be making commercial, marketable music, so they hardly care about you buying CDs. most of them have jobs for that.

At 1/7/10 11:17 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

also, most bands we listen to aren't in it for the money anyway, or they'd be making commercial, marketable music, so they hardly care about you buying CDs. most of them have jobs for that.

It's the saddest but most true part of the music industry today. It's owned by sweaty fat white guys who only care about money, and not about art or creativity.

At 1/7/10 11:17 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Sorry to burst all your guys' bubbles, but CD sales and merch don't support the artists as much as you think they do (see handy-dandy pie chart below). Most, if not all, bands get their money from the record label, not the CD sales themselves. They get a cent, or a fraction of a cent, whenever you buy a CD or a shirt or something. The money that the band members actually get comes from their contracts (you sign and get a nice check) and concerts they put on. CD sales is a very marginal amount of profit; most of it goes to the record label. The aggregate of all the CD sales from that particular record label then amounts to a fair fee, and that gets put in a big pot and redistributed to everyone. In a way, yes, CD sales do go to the band member, but your decision to pirate something isn't going to make or break an artist, so don't autofellate yourself too much when you buy your copy of Dopethrone, and don't bemoan the fact that you have no choice but to download it.

And what would happen if we all stopped buying cds? The record labels are not dumb. They sign artists because they sell albums. If they stop selling albums, they will stop signing underground bands. So if you don't buy albums, you will not kill the band, but the collateral damage will.
So when I buy a cd, I don't autofellate as you like to say, but at least I know that I am showing support to the band.

Also, best metal label... Earache
'Nuff said.

I had had a collection of cds that numbered close to the thousands. Literally about 500-600. I download all my stuff now. I just have no room anymore. If I really like the band then I'll buy merch or vynl. Plus, cds don't exactly hold up too well with the amount I listen to music.

At 1/8/10 10:05 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

I would have agreed had they not signed Bring Me the Horizon and Oceano.

They did? looool

I'd say Metal Blade (The Black Dahlia Murder <3 ) and Roadrunner (Machinehead <3 )

At 1/7/10 09:59 PM, Nev wrote: As I'm bored I'm going to list the CDs I do own. I will be destroyed by other folk (Bahamut in particular :P), but sod it.

Will Mega Flare do? :P

Starting off with the rubbish I don't have in my CD racks. Some of which totally don't deserve to be there(*).

Haha, if they're so bad, try selling them! That's what I did with my Slipknot CDs and some Korn. That reminds me, I still have some Korn CDs lying around so I'll try and sell them again on eBay.

At 1/7/10 10:06 PM, Nev wrote: The music industry hasn't caught up with the advancement the internet brought about.

Wait what? That sounds like the music industry isn't too aware of where to get music on the internet. If that's the case, then what about WMG going after every single video on YouTube containing a song they own? Also, isn't sharing music on Torrents and such something the majority of the music industry is already aware of?

At 1/7/10 11:17 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Stuff

I'm just going to say that some money towards the artists is better than nothing, even if record companies take far too much money from sales.

At 1/8/10 10:32 AM, Bahamut wrote: Also, isn't sharing music on Torrents and such something the majority of the music industry is already aware of?

Of course they're aware of it. By caught up I mean they haven't found a way of successfully countering it and using the internet to their best advantage.

I am starting to listen to a band called "Baroness", it's a stoner/sludge metal band, a little bit progressive too, with some Mastodon influences, in my opinion, and it also has some riffs, specially in the solos, which make me remember some metalcore bands (still not metalcore and it doesn't has freakin' breakdowns), because of the constant use of pull offs. I advise you to check them out, they're really good.

At 1/8/10 12:22 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I am starting to listen to a band called "Baroness",

They're brilliant \m/

I wonder if any of you guys have heard of Ted Maul?

One of my friends was obsessed with them about 2 year ago I think, and would not shut up about them once he got their album, I think that song ^ is amazing.

200dbs down is an interesting song too, Drum n Bass mixed with metal, lawl.

At 1/7/10 11:05 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: They first got me into extreme metal, and I'll give them that, but I find them entry level and pretty generic. I'm embarrassed to own the albums, I hide them where no one can see them.

Dunno man, I would love to show people my Cannibal Corpse albums. They have the most hilarious album covers, just enough to show people the stuff I listen to.

At 1/8/10 10:05 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote: I would have agreed had they not signed Bring Me the Horizon and Oceano.

Hahaha lolol.

Nuclear Blast > Century Media > Everything else

No other way to say it.

At 1/8/10 12:22 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I am starting to listen to a band called "Baroness", it's a stoner/sludge metal band

Lol, stoner metal is god awful. Baroness is horrible and High on Fire just plain sucks. That and power metal are the only genres I could never bare listening to.

At 1/8/10 02:25 PM, mothballs wrote:

At 1/8/10 12:22 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I am starting to listen to a band called "Baroness", it's a stoner/sludge metal band

Lol, stoner metal is god awful. Baroness is horrible and High on Fire just plain sucks. That and power metal are the only genres I could never bare listening to.

You say that because you've listened to it and you didn't like or because it's stoner?