At 12/30/09 07:20 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 12/30/09 07:16 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Oh wait no

You listed a dragonforce album and yet you're saying two sigh albums are fail?

Guys, I think we got someone here with little to no taste.

Yep. Dragonforce deserves a spot on every top ten list for many reasons.

At 12/30/09 07:32 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Yep. Dragonforce deserves a spot on every top ten list for many reasons.

Such as...?

And that's not the point, why don't you like Sigh?

At 12/30/09 07:38 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 12/30/09 07:32 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Yep. Dragonforce deserves a spot on every top ten list for many reasons.

Such as...?

And that's not the point, why don't you like Sigh?

Oh, he said Sigh? I have all their albums, but havent really gave them a listen. I think my friend showed me a Sigh song in his car one time that sounded like a carnival or something, and I really liked it... but then I could never find it in their albums.

As for Dragonforce, I think they changed the face of Power Metal, and the way the public views metal. Its a great and original album (Valley), and has some of the most original vocals I've heard in Power. Nobody comes close to ZP. They really took Power/Speed to a new level, in a way we've never seen before.

At 12/30/09 07:44 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Oh, he said Sigh? I have all their albums, but havent really gave them a listen. I think my friend showed me a Sigh song in his car one time that sounded like a carnival or something, and I really liked it... but then I could never find it in their albums.

I have no idea what the first album he listed was, but the other two albums were both Sigh and you basically told him they were shit for shutting down his opinion.

As for Dragonforce, I think they changed the face of Power Metal,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

There isn't a SINGLE power metal band out there today that is good that was influenced in any way by Dragonforce.

Bands that revolutionized power metal: Blind Guardian, Old Helloween, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Kamelot and the like.

Dragonforce have inspired two bands: Hammerforce and Powerglove, which are both good but nothing truly special.

and the way the public views metal.

Not really, when the average joe hears metal they still think of A.) Metalocre, deathcore, etc. B.) Bands like Cannibal Corpse and Cradle Of Flith, C.) Bands like Iron Maiden D.) Bands like Metallica or E.) Hair/glam bands like Poison, Whitesnake, etc.

No one thinks of Dragonforce.

Its a great and original album (Valley),

Original? Sure, there's nothing else like Dragonforce.
Great? Sure, it's melodic.

But melodic doesn't necessarily mean good.

Pop = Melodic.

Keep that in mind.

and has some of the most original vocals I've heard in Power. Nobody comes close to ZP.

Falsetto vocals = / = Original vocals in power metal.

Hundreds, if not thousands of other metal bands have been using falsetto vocals before dragonforce.

They really took Power/Speed to a new level, in a way we've never seen before.

And so did Blind Guardian, only difference is each of there albums are totally different from each other. Dragonforce sound pretty similar and haven't really changed much at all since they started.

Just sayin', Dragonforce may be successful in the mainstream market but mostly all power metal bands today hate them or don't care about their music.

Including Sonata Arctica who opened for them just because mass concerts put them on tour together to increase SA's popularity.

If you want a band that totally changed power metal go listen to stratovarius.

At 12/30/09 06:38 PM, OmnipotentHairdo wrote: Since I really ahte doing lists I'll just say that Panopticon was THE BEST album of the decade.
Closely followed by Hangman's Hymm and Imaginary Sonicscapes.

Those were all great albums.

At 12/30/09 07:44 PM, DrMafesto wrote: I think my friend showed me a Sigh song in his car one time that sounded like a carnival or something, and I really liked it... but then I could never find it in their albums.

You're probably thinking of Inked in Blood. awesome song. It's on Hangman's Hymn.

At 12/30/09 06:11 PM, Nev wrote: The Way of All Flesh is rubbish compared to From Mars to Sirius. Get that!

I think I prefer the Way of All Flesh overall. dunno.

At 12/30/09 08:30 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 12/30/09 06:11 PM, Nev wrote: The Way of All Flesh is rubbish compared to From Mars to Sirius. Get that!

I think I prefer the Way of All Flesh overall. dunno.

This. ESO-TERIC-SURG-ERY
Destruction of my butt

At 12/30/09 07:54 PM, AniMetal wrote: No one thinks of Dragonforce.

I'm gonna have to disagree there.

Do you remember a game called Guitar Hero III? In case you forgot about it, this game included "Through the Fire and the Flames," by DragonForce. Everyone and their dog are familiar with DragonForce because of this game. There are scores of video game nerds, casual gamers, and people who played Guitar Hero once or twice at a party who will instantly think "DragonForce!" when you bring up metal.

At 12/30/09 06:09 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Well I mean, making a list of five, ten, twenty or even 50 albums is purely subjective.

Hence why I wrote "My list of the top albums of the 2000s." Obviously it's subjective.

Even if it is "Your personal list" it's like....why?

What?

I mean I could understand making a list for one year, but for an entire decade....that is far too long of a time period.

Well I did it, so there. It's not hard.

Could you list five albums between 80 and 89 that you think are far beyond the rest? Of course you could, but chances are everyone else here will disagree with you for the best albums.

It's an opinion, so no shit people are going to disagree. We're doing it right now.

Also, I love you.

<3 <3 <3

"Demon Of The Fall" for something more evil, "Burden" for something that's more easy on the ears and "The Lotus Eater" for something more average great Opeth.

KKK

heh

At 12/30/09 04:49 PM, burnoutfool wrote:

Swashbuckle

what the fuck?

Swashbuckle kick ass, they are actually really talented musicians.....they just don't take themselves seriously.....at all...

Besides, even if one doesn't care for their recorded material, live they are mad fun.

Swashbuckle is my favorite nu-thrash band of the decade, hands-motherfucking-down. They're a three piece band with a net total of 7 balls. That's right, they have one extra testicle. The riffs are delicious and piratey, and they fucking slay ninjas live.

Oh glorious father I call upon
Your blinding winds
Engulf this world with your nuclear fire
Come forth and end this charade
This travesty known as humanity shan't prevail
This empty void is what I desire

Missiles shall fly
Upon the black wings of destiny
Brought forth by artillery
Into the womb of mankind

[Chorus]
Punishing fire I greet thee
Come silence this world with your roar
Plutonium reveries - open damnation's door
Punishing fire I greet thee
Come silence this world with your roar
Plutonium Reveries - and prayers of war

Radiant demon come cleanse me with your acid rain
Pollute this earth with you poisonous breath
Come forth and end this charade
This travesty known as humanity shan't prevail
Unleash your venom and bless us with death

[Repeat Chorus]

Missiles shall fly
Upon the black wings of destiny
Brought forth by artillery
Erasing mankind

[Chorus]
Punishing fire I greet thee
Come silence this world with your roar
Plutonium reveries - open damnation's door
Devouring flames I beseech thee
Ensure life to return no more
Plutonium reveries - and prayers of war

At 12/30/09 07:54 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 12/30/09 07:44 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Oh, he said Sigh? I have all their albums, but havent really gave them a listen. I think my friend showed me a Sigh song in his car one time that sounded like a carnival or something, and I really liked it... but then I could never find it in their albums.

I have no idea what the first album he listed was, but the other two albums were both Sigh and you basically told him they were shit for shutting down his opinion.

Yeah? And?

As for Dragonforce, I think they changed the face of Power Metal,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

There isn't a SINGLE power metal band out there today that is good that was influenced in any way by Dragonforce.

Being influencing to bands doesnt mean that they changed the face of power metal. They really did change the way people perceived power, as no other band has ever sounded like them or done the fast guitar work they have done before them. It opened up a whole new world for possibilities.

Bands that revolutionized power metal: Blind Guardian, Old Helloween, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Kamelot and the like.

Yes they did. And so did Dragonforce.

Dragonforce have inspired two bands: Hammerforce and Powerglove, which are both good but nothing truly special.

Like I said before, Influence isnt at issue here.

and the way the public views metal.

Not really,

Yes, really. Like D3 said, Guitar Hero really put them out there as a band. No Power band has EVER reached mainstream audiences like that before.

No one thinks of Dragonforce.

Its a great and original album (Valley),

Original? Sure, there's nothing else like Dragonforce.
Great? Sure, it's melodic.

But melodic doesn't necessarily mean good.

But that doesnt necessarily mean its bad.... so?

Pop = Melodic.

Keep that in mind.

Keep what in mind? Keep in mind that Melody is a two way street? Keep in mind to not have close minded arguments.

and has some of the most original vocals I've heard in Power. Nobody comes close to ZP.

Falsetto vocals = / = Original vocals in power metal.

Not his style, the way he sounds. You show me a vocalist in PM who sounds remotely close to him. The problem with originality in PM is that many vocalists sound pretty much the same.

They really took Power/Speed to a new level, in a way we've never seen before.

And so did Blind Guardian, only difference is each of there albums are totally different from each other. Dragonforce sound pretty similar and haven't really changed much at all since they started.

Why fix whats not broken?

Including Sonata Arctica who opened for them just because mass concerts put them on tour together to increase SA's popularity.

Lmao. I dont know where youre getting this from. Proof, please.

If you want a band that totally changed power metal go listen to stratovarius.

And dont insult me. I know very well who Stratovarius are. Liking Dragonforce has no standing on my taste in other bands. Dont act so pompous, you moron.

Jealous?

I want to make a list :)

So best albums of the decade? Just metal or anything? Since it's the Metal Hell, I'll put only Metal albums :P
Here are my favorites:

1. Ashes Against The Grain - Agalloch
2. The Machinations Of Dementia - Blotted Science
3. Altered Genesis - Blood Red Throne
4. Icon - Benighted
5. Sagas - Equilibrium
6. Descent Into Chaos - Nightrage
7. Paradise Lost - Symphony X
8. Wintersun - Wintersun
9. V The New Mythology Suite - Symphony X
10. In The Shadow Of A Thousand Suns - Abigail Williams
11. The Mantle - Agalloch
12. Souls Of Damnation - Blood Red Throne
13. This Darkened Heart - All That Remains
14. So It Begins - Profugus Mortis (Blackguard)
15. Winterheart's Guild - Sonata Arctica
16. Cast Into Fields Of Evil Pleasure - Illnath
17. Pitch Black Progress - Scar Symmetry
18. Antithesis - Origin
19. Clayman - In Flames
20. Roomservice - Panzerchrist

Has anyone heard of this lame ass joke of a band Steel Panther? Basically it's eighties hair metal, made today. Just terrible. If they really take themselves seriously and this isn't a parody of that era of music, then that's pathetic.

Hehe, I have also decided to post a Non-Metal Top 20.
Lot of stuff from Quebec in there. Sorry if you don't understand everything that is written :P

So my top Non-Metal albums of the 2000:

1. Above The Earth, Below The Sky - If These Trees Could Talk
2. Break syndical - Les cowboys fringants
3. Discovery - Daft Punk
4. Cross - Justice
5. We Sing, We Dance, We Steal Things - Jason Mraz
6. Souvenirs d'un autre monde - Alcest
7. An Ancient Muse - Loreena McKennitt
8. Beast - Beast
9. Compter les corps - Les Vulgaires Machins
10. Midheaven - The Human Abstract
11. Colors - Between The Buried And Me
12. Fortress - Protest The Hero
13. The Healing Process - Despised Icon
14. Black Holes & Revelations - Muse
15. The Ills Of Modern Man - Despised Icon
16. Venom & Tears - Throwdown
17. Monsters in the Closet - Swollen Members
18. Fast Asleep - Funki Porcini
19. The Process Of Belief - Bad Religion
20. Silent Alarm - Bloc Party

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Has anyone heard of this lame ass joke of a band Steel Panther? Basically it's eighties hair metal, made today. Just terrible. If they really take themselves seriously and this isn't a parody of that era of music, then that's pathetic.

Sounds like a joke if you want my opinion :P

Also, it's quite awesome that we are probably going to hit the 3000 pages when the new decade will start :)

Guess I didn't read carefully... gotta get some sleep...
Em... happy 2100 page...

XD

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Has anyone heard of this lame ass joke of a band Steel Panther? Basically it's eighties hair metal, made today. Just terrible. If they really take themselves seriously and this isn't a parody of that era of music, then that's pathetic.

They're basically a parody band.

Not serious at all.

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Has anyone heard of this lame ass joke of a band Steel Panther? Basically it's eighties hair metal, made today. Just terrible. If they really take themselves seriously and this isn't a parody of that era of music, then that's pathetic.

They're not a serious band

The lyrics are pretty good I must say :p

At 12/30/09 12:18 PM, Bahamut wrote: Seeing as we only have two days left until the next decade, which albums do you think are the best from the 00s? Considering there's still a lot of music to listen to, I may be missing out on some good stuff but these are my favourites:

Well, You've just got to have one of Dragonforce's offerings here. Ultra Beatdown or Inhuman Rampage, since they have enabled this band to really step up to the plate as a great power metal act.

Descriptions like "Bon Jovi on Speed" and / or "Journey meets Slayer" really hit the point home. Despite my hatred of Slayer, I do love a bit of Journey, so I can tolerate such comparisons.

A shame that the latest offerings from Metallica and Iron Maiden haven't been up to their usual standards, but I'll still vote Iron Maiden's "Dance of Death" as one of the best for the decade.

Despite the fact that AC/DC don't really consider themselves metal, I'm clutching at straws a little, so my top 5 is as follows:

1) Dance of Death (Iron Maiden)
2) Inhuman Rampage (Dragonforce)
3) Songs for the Deaf (Queens of the Stone Age)
4) Octavarium (Dream Theater)
5) Black Ice (AC/DC)

At 12/30/09 07:11 AM, Coop83 wrote: In other news, I might be auditioning for lead vocals in a band soon. We'll see how that pans out.

Awesome, be sure to let us know more about it if things go well.

Will do - you guys will know about it if things don't particularly go well, either :P

I've got a stinking cold at the moment, so progress will be halted for the time being.

At 12/30/09 05:57 PM, Nev wrote:

At 12/30/09 05:54 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: 4. Slipknot- Slipknot

Duuuude, that came out in '99!
Get with the times.

Plus if it's the fourth best metal album of a decade, you've got to have listened to practically no metal at all for an entire decade!

At 12/30/09 02:59 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote:

Strapping Young Lad - The New Black

I love SYL but I think this is their second weakest (next to Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing), I think Alien tops it by far.

Alien is the only SYL album I need to get. If it's as good as you say, then DAMN! I must be missing on something. My favourite SYL album right now is self-titled.

Skeletonwitch - Beyond the Permafrost

Have not listened to Skeletonwitch.

I've heard them from Brutal Legend and I really should look into them. Speaking of bands I listened to in Brutal Legend, I got myself Angel Witch's self-titled album today. Loving the song Angel Witch.

At 12/30/09 03:45 PM, AniMetal wrote: You guys are SERIOUSLY doing lists of top albums of an entire decade?

Got a problem with that?

At 12/30/09 07:20 PM, AniMetal wrote: Guys, I think we got someone here with little to no taste.

Cut him some slack, he mentioned their debut album which is the best out of the lot before they just rehashed the style on their other albums without showing much development to their music.

At 12/30/09 07:54 PM, AniMetal wrote: Pop = Melodic.

Are you insulting the bands you like?

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: 11. Colors - Between The Buried And Me

You don't consider Between the Buried and Me metal?

At 12/31/09 09:22 AM, DrMafesto wrote:

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: 11. Colors - Between The Buried And Me

You don't consider Between the Buried and Me metal?

They're progressive metal of course.

Well my itunes likes to call them Adult Contemporary Progressive Metal. lulz.

Pop does not equal melodic.
Pop is generally melodic, as nice melodies are nice to listen to. But its not an exclusive thing, and I give you proof: this was incredibly popular.

At 12/30/09 08:30 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I think I prefer the Way of All Flesh overall. dunno.

Yeah, well your opinion is wrong!

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Has anyone heard of this lame ass joke of a band Steel Panther? Basically it's eighties hair metal, made today. Just terrible. If they really take themselves seriously and this isn't a parody of that era of music, then that's pathetic.

They are a joke, yes. I have a friend who's claimed they're fantastic live.

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So my top Non-Metal albums of the 2000:

OMG I'M GONNA DO THE SAME!

1. Imogen Heap - Speak for Yourself
2. Bat for Lashes - Fur and Gold
3. Bat for Lashes - Two Suns
4. The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
5. Sigur Rós - Takk...
6. Radiohead - Kid A
7. Muse - Absolution
8. Jesse Sykes & the Sweet Hereafter - Reckless Burning
9. John Frusciante - Shadows Collide with People
10. Battles - Mirrored
11. Daft Punk - Discovery
12. Incubus - Make Yourself
13. Peeping Tom - Peeping Tom
14. The White Stripes - Elephant
15. Newton Faulkner - Hand Built by Robots

At 12/31/09 12:08 AM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Jealous?

That is an amazing poster.

At 12/31/09 12:02 PM, Nev wrote: Pop does not equal melodic.
Pop is generally melodic, as nice melodies are nice to listen to. But its not an exclusive thing, and I give you proof: this was incredibly popular.

At 12/30/09 08:30 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I think I prefer the Way of All Flesh overall. dunno.

Yeah, well your opinion is wrong!

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Has anyone heard of this lame ass joke of a band Steel Panther? Basically it's eighties hair metal, made today. Just terrible. If they really take themselves seriously and this isn't a parody of that era of music, then that's pathetic.

They are a joke, yes. I have a friend who's claimed they're fantastic live.

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So my top Non-Metal albums of the 2000:

OMG I'M GONNA DO THE SAME!

6. Radiohead - Kid A

Eh.

7. Muse - Absolution

A lot of lists contain muse on them. Are they really that great of a band?

11. Daft Punk - Discovery

Cant believe I didnt put this on there...

14. The White Stripes - Elephant

It was between this and White Blood Cells for me

At 12/31/09 09:22 AM, DrMafesto wrote:

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: 11. Colors - Between The Buried And Me

You don't consider Between the Buried and Me metal?

I'd say Progressive Deathcore. So instead of startinga new fight about how core sucks balls and isn't metal. I'll just leave it that way :)

At 12/31/09 12:02 PM, Nev wrote:

11. Daft Punk - Discovery

Of fucking course !!!

So Nev, what do you think of my lists, "brother of the Metal Hell"? :P

Also... all the bashing on DragonForce needs to stop.
They are talented musicians and I understand why Dr says ZP is an original vocalist. He may be singing a type of vocals that is already really popular, but he brings it to another level and since he has to follow very fast paced music with his vocals, he does bring something original to the power metal scene. I don't think their was a band that played this fast on the power metal scene before them. So... like them or not, they are quite original...
They have changed something on the Power Metal scene. They have very quick transitions, fast paced music, nice melodies and Valley Of The Damned was very innovative on the power metal scene.
The problem with DF is that they are not bringing anything new from album to album. They stay pretty much exactly the same, and I think their music is going down a level with each release. Valley Of The Damned being their best album.

But I would never say that DF deserves a place in any top 10 albums of the decade.

I stick to my own list :P

I LOVE SCEARMO AND SHOUTY HEAVY ROCK SHIT

At 12/31/09 03:27 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 12/31/09 09:22 AM, DrMafesto wrote:

At 12/31/09 03:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: 11. Colors - Between The Buried And Me

You don't consider Between the Buried and Me metal?

I'd say Progressive Deathcore. So instead of startinga new fight about how core sucks balls and isn't metal. I'll just leave it that way :)

Eh. Fair enough. I think they are just a little too artsy fartsy to be metal, now that I think about it.

At 12/31/09 12:02 PM, Nev wrote:

11. Daft Punk - Discovery

Of fucking course !!!

So Nev, what do you think of my lists, "brother of the Metal Hell"? :P

Also... all the bashing on DragonForce needs to stop. etc etc etc

Exactly my sentiments. I think I might have overstepped when I said it should be on every list, I think what I should have said is that they deserve to be recognized as a changing point and a fresh new band in the decade.

At 12/31/09 04:15 PM, Evilpumpkinman wrote: I LOVE SCEARMO AND SHOUTY HEAVY ROCK SHIT

who said you were in?

At 12/31/09 04:15 PM, Evilpumpkinman wrote: I LOVE SCEARMO AND SHOUTY HEAVY ROCK SHIT

hahahahaha