At 2/22/09 02:42 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/22/09 02:04 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Its one of the easiest genres of Metal. There are exceptions, yes, like Angra and Symphony X, they've more complex than most Metal bands. But in general, its easy as fuck.

Just really fast power chords in trimphant rhythms.

At 2/22/09 02:48 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Plus it's really simple, structurally. It usually follows an AABA format or some other such structure, and it's in a major key. On top of that, chord changes come relatively slow.

Indeed. Power chords held for 2-4 bars for the chorus. Verses will be 8 or 16th notes changing every bar, maybe with a slight groove.

Lead parts are often slow and melodic, giving the whole epic feel. Solos can be shreddy but none more so than any other genre (except Doom).

At 2/22/09 03:11 PM, Nev wrote: Lead parts are often slow and melodic, giving the whole epic feel. Solos can be shreddy but none more so than any other genre (except Doom).

this leads me to a question i've been wondering for a while; are solos in metal improvised like they are in every other genre, or do some bands write out their solos beforehand?

At 2/22/09 03:13 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: this leads me to a question i've been wondering for a while; are solos in metal improvised like they are in every other genre, or do some bands write out their solos beforehand?

You say every other genre but solos in Rock aren't improvised and Pop and stuff.
Really, Jazz and Blues is where improv is pretty much guaranteed.

And I'd say its a mixture, sometimes it'll be improv. Mostly it'll be a series of improvs that are worked at and fine tuned. And stuff like Spastic Ink, Necrophagist, Behold... the Arctopus I'd say they were pretty well thought out.

The latter apparently write music above their level and then spend months learning to play it.

I'd say improv happens, but is rarely kept in its original improvised state.

There is a solo on A Change of Seasons that Petrucci improvised and wanted to change (of seasons) but they were like 'Nah its fine'.

At 2/22/09 03:19 PM, Nev wrote: You say every other genre but solos in Rock aren't improvised and Pop and stuff.

i meant genres of musical integrity

zing!

Really, Jazz and Blues is where improv is pretty much guaranteed.

i know, they're both built upon improv and all.

And I'd say its a mixture, sometimes it'll be improv. Mostly it'll be a series of improvs that are worked at and fine tuned. And stuff like Spastic Ink, Necrophagist, Behold... the Arctopus I'd say they were pretty well thought out.

Yeah that's what I was thinking

Hey, Piromano, I don't mean to bother you, but have you joined? If not, could you list 10 bands?

At 2/21/09 01:27 PM, AniMetal wrote: In other news I have been getting into a lot of progressive rock lately, any recommendations? (I don't care that it's not metal.)

King Crimson
King Crimson
King Crimson
King motherfucking Crimson

Emerson Lake & Palmer
Yes
Tool
Porcupine Tree
Gong
Gentle Giant
Frank Zappa
Focus
Spock's Beard (bit poppy, and some stuff is crap, but some is really good)
Transatlantic

I can name a million, but those are the ones I really recommend

At 2/21/09 01:32 PM, Nev wrote: Gonin-Ish

So you finally gave them a good listen? I love the instrumental work in that band.

At 2/21/09 01:55 PM, AniMetal wrote: This is true in most genre's of metal, any band in metal that has an album entirely comprised with 3 minute long songs is most likely shit.

hey

hey

the Melvins, man

At 2/21/09 02:05 PM, Piromano wrote: What about groove metal?

I haven't listened to much groove, but I've gotten a pretty bad impression of it thanks to Machine Head and post-Cowboys Pantera....especially Machine Head.

At 2/21/09 05:47 PM, Piromano wrote: Also, Megadeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica

This is true. Everybody knows this is true.

At 2/22/09 01:36 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: recommendations?

I figure you already know to get Demilich and Necrophagist, but yeah, those. and...

Phlebotomized (avant-garde death)
Obscura (prog death)
Illogicist (tech death)
Dan Swanö (prog death)
Edge of Sanity (prog death)
Gonin-Ish (avant-garde death)
Neglected Fields (tech/prog death)
Azure Emote (avant-garde death/electronic)

At 2/22/09 03:52 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: So you finally gave them a good listen? I love the instrumental work in that band.

No.
But I trust they're good :P.
I'll do it after this albums finished.

Jesse Sykes & the Sweet Hereafter - Drinking With Strangers (Reckless Burning)

Im not happy All I feel is gloom and dispare. Im loseing it.

I need a hug. :(

At 2/21/09 01:27 PM, AniMetal wrote: In other news I have been getting into a lot of progressive rock lately, any recommendations? (I don't care that it's not metal.)

everything sense recommended basicaly (tho im not a fan of spocks beard) also...

gong (if you dont mind some surreal humour in your music)
some krautrock bands like amon duul II, can, faust etc.
rush
magma
jethro tull
high tide
you might like some good jazz fusion too, mahavishnu orchestra, miles davis' bitches brew and medeski, martin, scofield and wood are some of my favourites along with my all time hero and god frank zappa.

...and speaking of prog and improvising etc im gonna say again- go check out the improv project me n my mates did posted on the last page, plz?

At 2/22/09 04:46 PM, smeagol1 wrote:

I need a hug. :(

*Insert hugs here*

At 2/22/09 03:52 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Hey, Piromano, I don't mean to bother you, but have you joined? If not, could you list 10 bands?

I joined long ago, but I didn't post a lot.
Now, I listen to metal a lot, and post a little bit more

Here is my list if you still want it:

1)Iron Maiden
2)Megadeth
3)Judas Priest
4)Opeth
5)Pantera
6)Type O Negative
7)Slayer
8)Carcass
9)Apocalyptica
10)Arch Enemy

Other bands: Lamb of God, Edge of Sanity, Kreator, Sepultura, Hermetica, In Flames, Children Of Bodom, etc...

At 2/22/09 02:04 PM, AniMetal wrote: Avant-garde and Technical are the only genres harder than power.

You people that constantly hate black metal don't understand how complex and technical good black metal is because you never listen to good black metal.

At 2/22/09 05:46 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: You people that constantly hate black metal don't understand how complex and technical good black metal is because you never listen to good black metal.

I defended it :).

At 2/22/09 05:46 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

At 2/22/09 02:04 PM, AniMetal wrote: Avant-garde and Technical are the only genres harder than power.

You people that constantly hate black metal don't understand how complex and technical good black metal is because you never listen to good black metal.

The big problem with black metal is that they always search for the worst sound quality possible.
You really do not have to get the greatest recording quality to make a good album, but it would be a good start to make all the instruments audible (if thats the good word).

At 2/22/09 05:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: The big problem with black metal is that they always search for the worst sound quality possible.

Generalisations for the win.

At 2/22/09 05:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: The big problem with black metal is that they always search for the worst sound quality possible.

That depends on the year and the type of black metal.

At 2/22/09 06:03 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: That depends on the year and the type of black metal.

This.

At 2/22/09 05:54 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/22/09 05:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: The big problem with black metal is that they always search for the worst sound quality possible.

Generalisations for the win.

Yeah... I know, realised it after posting...

sorry, I was really talking about those who really try to get a bad recording.

At 2/22/09 06:03 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

At 2/22/09 05:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: The big problem with black metal is that they always search for the worst sound quality possible.

That depends on the year and the type of black metal.

I know :)

But bands like Xasthur would just be better if the recording quality was a little better. It's already a fucking great band, but they could equalize drums and stuff like that.

Sorry for generalisation. I really didn't meant to say this.

But maybe you could make me a list of those "very complexe" black metal bands you were talking about :)

At 2/22/09 06:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: But maybe you could make me a list of those "very complexe" black metal bands you were talking about :)

Ulver's Black Metal Trilogie comes to mind, though Nattens Madrigal's recording quality isn't so great.

At 2/22/09 06:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: But maybe you could make me a list of those "very complexe" black metal bands you were talking about :)

Arkhon Infaustus
Averse Sefira
Axis of Advance
Chaos Moon
Darkestrah
Darkspace
Deathspell Omega
Heresi
Klabautamann
Negur%u0103 Bunget

To name a few.

I think we should talk about our favorite metal logos. I don't have time to list them all, but you guys can go nuts.

At 2/22/09 06:54 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I think we should talk about our favorite metal logos. I don't have time to list them all, but you guys can go nuts.

Arkhon Infaustus
Taake
Peste Noire

my favorite logos are mayhem, arcturus, vintersorg, moonsorrow, summoning, falkenbach, and others that i'm too lazy to list.

also

Opeth, Death, Gojira, Spastic Ink, Reverend Bizarre, Meshuggah, Anaal Nathrakh, Necrophagist, Demilich, Megadeth, Tankard.

Those.

At 2/22/09 06:54 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I think we should talk about our favorite metal logos. I don't have time to list them all, but you guys can go nuts.

Arch Enemy, Quo Vadis, Darkane, Abigail Williams.

And I like the abusif amount of Hammers in anything made by Hammerfall :P

At 2/22/09 07:31 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: also

I could read all of those except for Prosanctus Inferi because the images were tiny. Haha.

Amon Amarth,Mardk,Belphegor,Dark Throne,Mayhem,Behemoth yeah.

I think im going through another emotional stage. :(

At 2/22/09 07:54 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Amon Amarth,Mardk,Belphegor,Dark Throne,Mayhem,Behemoth yeah.

I think im going through another emotional stage. :(

**Marduk. Yep Im loseing it! BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry for the double.

At 2/22/09 07:53 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: I could read all of those except for Prosanctus Inferi because the images were tiny. Haha.

Yeah, i know. Like, Finntroll and Borknagar? Legible as fuck.

I don't know if anyone has had this problem, but I can't focus on anything because I keep hearing high-pitched screams in my head that won't stop, even when I bash my head over and over again.

Not the first time I've been through this, either.

I don't typically put much thought into band logos, but these ones immediately spring to my mind:

Rotting Christ
Sigfader
Blut aus Nord
Belphegor
Asmodeus
Absu
Darkthrone
Anaal Nathrakh