I've said it before, i'll say it again: not all rap is bad. soulja boy is bad, 50 cent is bad, kanye is okay at his best times, but not all rap is bad. There's some really excellent hiphop out there, and you guys keep forgetting, so quit bashing hip-hop. It gets obnoxious.

At 12/15/07 05:12 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: There's some really excellent hiphop out there, and you guys keep forgetting, so quit bashing hip-hop. It gets obnoxious.

Most Metallers aren't going to be fans of rap, no matter how good they are within the rap genre. Its a taste thing.
Its like saying 'stop bashing homosexuality... there are some really good looking guys out there'.

At 12/15/07 05:20 PM, Nev wrote: Most Metallers aren't going to be fans of rap, no matter how good they are within the rap genre. Its a taste thing.

True. But the generalization that all rap is shit is what bugs me. What they hear may be shit, but there's some good things.

At 12/15/07 05:23 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: True. But the generalization that all rap is shit is what bugs me. What they hear may be shit, but there's some good things.

Its a style you either like or dislike.
Sure its wrong to judge it on the crap that we hear, but listening to the more obscure stuff probably would do nothing either.

At 12/15/07 05:32 PM, Nev wrote: Its a style you either like or dislike.
Sure its wrong to judge it on the crap that we hear, but listening to the more obscure stuff probably would do nothing either.

i dunno, it worked for me. I really really despised rap for a while, but my friend introduced me to Rage Against the Machine. I got into them and realized that while they were rapping, it wasn't so bad. After that, he showed me some other artists like Saul Williams and Busdriver, and I liked their stuff too. Then I began listening to the Wu-Tang Clan as well, and now i know better than to blindly call all rap shit.

I only like a FEW rap songs, And Most of them are either Icelandic, or By Eminem, for some reason, I can't stand Black people's voices.
And before you go:

"OMFG BLACK PEOPLE DUN'T ALL HAV TEH SAIM VOIC UR RACIST"

Ok, they don't have EXACTLY the same voice, But they are similar, There is a certain black people type of voice out there that I hate, Not because of it being a Black people voice, But I hate the sound.

The Icelandic rap is either hilariously funny, Since most Icelandic people realize that with the low crime rate here, they can forget about street rap, Or VERY Emotional and meaningful, Personal experiences, What used to be my favourite rap song was about the guy loosing his family in a car accident (really happened to the guy, I know him)

My current favourite Rap song is that song FACK by Eminem, Makes me laugh as much everytime I hear it.

"[Intro]
Ow Ow Ow
Im Gonna Fucking Cum

[Chorus]
Owwww owwww owwwww (oh god damn!)
I'm gonna fuckin' come! (oh shit!)
Fuuck fuck fuyyuccck (fuck I am!)
I am, I'm going to come (I'm coming!)

[Verse 1]
(Ohh yeahh god) I never seen no chick like this,
this bitch can twist like a damn contortionist
condom on my dick of course it is,
this bitch don't know what abortion is
so I cant cum in her,
fucks like a porn star, looks like Jenna,
fuck I'm gonna,
come I think my rubbers comin' off,
but oh its so fuckin wet and soft,
fuck, i'm gonna start lettin' off
im squirtin and shes not gettin' off,
and shes on top
im gonna fackin' ohh god,
oh don't do that dont, stop,
stop don't, I don't mean don't stop,
oww wait a minute
ow ow fuck I...I'm gonna fuckin comeee! *squirt squirt squirt*

[Chorus]
Owwww owwww owwwww (oh god damn!)
I'm gonna fackin' come! (oh shit!)
Fack fack fayyuccck (fuck I am!)
I am, I'm going to come (I'm coming!)

[Verse 2]
Oooh wow, boo that pow, ooh ow I need a cigarette now!
Ow im so fuckin' hot,
and you're soo fuckin' hot,
oh my god,
I wanna fackin' fack
no not fuck, I said fack ,
f-a-c-k, f-a-c-k, fack, fack fack fackin' freak mee!
Ohh yeah girl see baby they call me Mr Freaky,
lets call your sister, 3-way have some 3-some me so horny!
And you're such a fuckin' babe I wanna go down on you, fuck you shave!
Ohh god damn here I go again, I'm gonna cum I am

[Chorus]
Owwww owwww owwwww (oh god damn!)
I'm gonna fackin' come! (oh shit!)
Fack fack fack (fuck I am!)
I am, I'm going to come (I'm coming!)

*Eminem mumbling*

[Verse 3]
Ok I'm done,
I already came twice,
you aint gonna make me cum,
I'm all outta gas,
Not so fast! Uh your finger just went in my ass!
Ow that hurts! Take it out now
Ohh wait a minute oww put it back in, in in in
this don't mean I'm gay I dont like men
I like boobs, boobs, boobs
Now see that gerbil, grab that tube,
shove it up my butt,
let that little rascal nibble on my asshole, uhh, yeah, right there, right there,
Ahhh I'm coming ahhh yeaaah,
fack, I just came again, okay pull it out now,
ohh fuck yeah, wait he's not out hes still crawling around up there,
ow fuck I think it's stuck
oww but it feels so fackin' good!

[Chorus]
Owwww owwww owwwww (oh god damn!)
I'm gonna fackin' come! (oh shit!)
Fack fack fack (fuck I am!)
I am, I'm going to come (I'm coming!)

[Outro]
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Ew ew ew ew"

At 12/15/07 05:48 PM, D3NTATUS wrote

i dunno, it worked for me. I really really despised rap for a while, but my friend introduced me to Rage Against the Machine. I got into them and realized that while they were rapping, it wasn't so bad.

Zach De La Rocha was the worst part of that band. I still like 'em, but he was truly the crux.

After that, he showed me some other artists like Saul Williams

I like Saul Williams, and thoroughly enjoyed The Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust. That is mostly because I'm a closet big Nine Inch Nails fan. I do not have any of his older stuff.

Then I began listening to the Wu-Tang Clan as well, and now i know better than to blindly call all rap shit.

You're right, but I still hate the genre. The non-shitty rap isn't present in popular culture, compounding the issue. Just like the excellent musicianship of metal is buried in a subculture. I didn't think anyone was being ridiculously offensive, so I would just let it go and enjoy what you've found.

@0peth: I wasn't implying that you enjoy CP. I merely meant you should put it on there anyway (using a buddy's computer) and return it to the guy. His reaction would be most enjoyable (unless fapping ensued.... ewwww). Clearly, you need to figure out how to use this to your best advantage, even if its just keeping it.

On the subject of rap, there is one I can't stand... Necro.
He raps about all this "brutal" stuff... but I saw him live at Download (cause a friend wanted to see him)... and he's just some fat American... you can't take someone like that seriously when they're talking about raping women... or being some massive sex stud.
Its not anatomically possible.

At 12/15/07 01:02 PM, X-Imperium-X wrote: Every genre of music has its epochs, and the 80s and early 90s were insane, crammed with talent. But when you think about it, metal as a genre is barely 30 years old, and there really hasn't been a second cycle of greatness explosion since metal really got its legs.

It has had second explosion, being the recent few years having a mass Metal/Deathcore outbreak.
Though this is far, far away from being a great revolution, quite the opposite infact.

It's watered down the greatness if anything, adding to why it's such horrible garbage.

At 12/15/07 05:12 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I've said it before, i'll say it again: not all rap is bad. soulja boy is bad, 50 cent is bad, kanye is okay at his best times, but not all rap is bad. There's some really excellent hiphop out there, and you guys keep forgetting, so quit bashing hip-hop. It gets obnoxious.

I can listen to Public Enemy, NWA, and other oldschool rap. Just not 50 Cent and Soulja Boy.

In reference to the game:

We All Faulter-Jesu

At 12/15/07 10:15 PM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 12/15/07 01:02 PM, X-Imperium-X wrote:

It has had second explosion, being the recent few years having a mass Metal/Deathcore outbreak.
Though this is far, far away from being a great revolution, quite the opposite infact.

It's watered down the greatness if anything, adding to why it's such horrible garbage.

I understand what you mean, though what I wrote was somewhat convoluted. I meant to say specifically that there hasn't been an explosion of anything good. I know there was the whole New Wave of American Heavy Metal (aka shite) which garnered more fans and re-popularized metal for the time being. People worry about a void of quality because there isn't an amazing new band every few weeks. Good, new bands in every genre come along, its just not quite at the same pace. I guess that's why it seems stagnant. Really, I just think more patience is required. I

At 12/15/07 02:29 PM, Charon wrote:

At 12/15/07 01:44 PM, Lost-Thought wrote: Which I would say to them, "you can have your shit music up to full blast while I can't play my music at all?"

unfortunatly majority rules, 4 of us verses around 30 of them doesnt go in our favour :(

Well...Guns help even out the odds
LIsten to your inner Goth, Hes rather Brutal.

At 12/15/07 06:11 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote: I only like a FEW rap songs, And Most of them are either Icelandic, or By Eminem, for some reason, I can't stand Black people's voices.
And before you go:

"OMFG BLACK PEOPLE DUN'T ALL HAV TEH SAIM VOIC UR RACIST"

Black perople don't all have the same voice. They have certain types though.

In rap, there is three different types i have discovered.

Gangsta ass hardcore ho fuckers like 50 Cent.

Little pussy R'n'B types that all the little preteen girlies love like Kanye West. OooOOooOOoohhh baaAAaabaaAAh!!!

And shit n*gga that was some fuckin strong ass weed mother fuckers like Snoop Dawwwg.

My current favourite Rap song is that song FACK by Eminem, Makes me laugh as much everytime I hear it.

I admit, funny. But I don't listen to music for the lulz, i listen to music for the muzak. I am dissapointed in you Kidd.

At 12/16/07 01:51 AM, Sorgvind wrote:
Black perople don't all have the same voice. They have certain types though.

In rap, there is three different types i have discovered.

Gangsta ass hardcore ho fuckers like 50 Cent.

Little pussy R'n'B types that all the little preteen girlies love like Kanye West. OooOOooOOoohhh baaAAaabaaAAh!!!

And shit n*gga that was some fuckin strong ass weed mother fuckers like Snoop Dawwwg.

there's also the higher sort of rapping voice, like that of Ghostface Killa and Eazy-E.

At 12/16/07 03:02 AM, Rokuro wrote: My mom says there's a lot of black people in africa.

Also, I remember reading someone's blog about epicest songs, and I ripped off his head for him puting Virus by Heavenly over The Power and Fury by the same artist.

I now stand corrected. Virus is a better song than The Power and Fury in every way.

Spill Blood On Fire was a lot better than those two.

It was Ryan, by the way.

At 12/15/07 06:58 AM, Charon wrote: Im currently getting hold of Ahab to see what they are like (I know bruce said they become more ordinary the more you listen or something similar)

I still like them, but I don't listen to them a whole lot.

At 12/15/07 08:00 AM, Oppugnant wrote: Skepticism

good stuff

At 12/15/07 01:02 PM, X-Imperium-X wrote: Blotted Science

Yes, Blotted Science is great. As is Spastic Ink.

At 12/16/07 01:51 AM, Sorgvind wrote:

I admit, funny. But I don't listen to music for the lulz, i listen to music for the muzak. I am dissapointed in you Kidd.

The music in that song does suck, And i'd never listen to it, If it were an Instrumental ,But The sound effects inbetween the verses maik me lol.

Hey mind if I join?
I need some new bands to listen to. I don't mind them screaming, but I'd prefer not to have a whole song of it.

At 12/16/07 10:20 AM, BrAddErZ958 wrote: Hey mind if I join?
I need some new bands to listen to. I don't mind them screaming, but I'd prefer not to have a whole song of it.

List 10 Metal bands you actually like.

On the subject of "nobody in my school likes good music" it really does piss me off. Pretty much every metal stereotype pisses me off, but here are some of the worst.
1. "It's not singing because you can't hear what the singer is saying" Well, if you clean all of the bullshit out of your ears, you can hear what they're saying.

2. People who don't get the difference between screaming and grunting/growling. Death metal is not "all screaming" If some guy just started stabbing you, would you death grunt or scream? There's a huge difference there.

3. Metal is "scary" this can either stem from a few things. a. Grunting and related singing styles that don't sound like a whiny prepubescent emo. b. Instrumentals that aren't just the same beat played over and over again (another thing i hate is how people don't know the difference between a beat and a riff) or c. the lyrical themes, just because the song isn't about how much you love your girlfriend or some love song garbage doesn't mean it's scary.

At 12/16/07 10:26 AM, Nev wrote: List 10 Metal bands you actually like.

It depends your definition of metal but here:
Bullet For My Valentine.
Pantera.
Metalica.
Disturbed.
As I Lay Dying.
Iron Maiden.
System Of A Down.
SpineShank.
Godsmack.
Soilwork (Just got into them, so I'll ist another)
Dark new Day (Not sure if you could class them as metal, I'll do another ;P)
Dope.
Atreyu.
That enough? ;D

At 12/16/07 11:13 AM, BrAddErZ958 wrote:

At 12/16/07 10:26 AM, Nev wrote: List 10 Metal bands you actually like.

It depends your definition of metal but here:
Bullet For My Valentine.
Pantera.
Metalica.
Disturbed.
As I Lay Dying.
Iron Maiden.
System Of A Down.
SpineShank.
Godsmack.
Soilwork (Just got into them, so I'll ist another)
Dark new Day (Not sure if you could class them as metal, I'll do another ;P)
Dope.
Atreyu.
That enough? ;D

YOU'RE EVEN MORE OUT THAN I AM , AND THAT'S PRETTY GODDAMN OUT

At 12/16/07 11:15 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: YOU'RE EVEN MORE OUT THAN I AM , AND THAT'S PRETTY GODDAMN OUT

I doubt that.
Bullet For My Valentine-Metal
Pantera-Heavy Metal
Metalica-Thrash metal/Heavy metal/Speed metal
Disturbed-Metal/Heavy Metal
As I Lay Dying-Metalcore
Iron Maiden-Heavy Metal
System Of A Down-Alt.Metal/Experimental Metal.
SpineShank-Nu Metal
Godsmack-Heavy Metal
Soilwork-Alt.Metal
Dark new Day-Alt.Metal
Dope-Hard Rock/Industrial Metal
Atreyu-Alt. Metal (New stuff)
That better?

At 12/16/07 11:22 AM, BrAddErZ958 wrote:

At 12/16/07 11:15 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: YOU'RE EVEN MORE OUT THAN I AM , AND THAT'S PRETTY GODDAMN OUT

I doubt that.
Bullet For My Valentine-Metal

Bullet for my Valentine is called Emo here.

Pantera-Heavy Metal

Pantera are good.

Metalica-Thrash metal/Heavy metal/Speed metal

Sell-out, Neither in or out vote.

Disturbed-Metal/Heavy Metal

Nu metal,not accepted.

As I Lay Dying-Metalcore

We don't accept metalcore

Iron Maiden-Heavy Metal

good.

System Of A Down-Alt.Metal/Experimental Metal.

System of a down, Not metal at all, Alt.

SpineShank-Nu Metal

Nu metal not accepted.

Godsmack-Heavy Metal

Nu.

Soilwork-Alt.Metal

Melodeath, Although sellout.

Dark new Day-Alt.Metal

Ghey.

Dope-Hard Rock/Industrial Metal

Hard rock. HARD ROCK IS HARD ROCK, NOT METAL.

Atreyu-Alt. Metal (New stuff)

Atreyu is emo, last time I knew, Screamo or Emocore.

Anyway, It's not accepted.

That better?

At 12/16/07 11:15 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote:

Anyway, It's not accepted.

So I need 8 more. I'll look through my music collection now.

At 12/16/07 11:41 AM, BrAddErZ958 wrote:

At 12/16/07 11:15 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote:

Anyway, It's not accepted.

So I need 8 more. I'll look through my music collection now.

Alright, I'll put my music stuff down. I have more, but I am putting down ones I'm not sure on, clearly because mine and your versions of Metal are different, which is fine, you're quizzing me, no the other way around.

10 Years.
Apocalyptica
Avenged Sevenfold.
Bleed The Dream.
Drowning Pool.
Dragonforce.
Rammstein.
Red.
Roadrunner United.
Rob Zombie.
Slipknot.
Stone Sour.

I have more, I want to see what you make of this. If I'm still not accepted, enlighten me with some bands that you class as metal, and I'll check them out.

At 12/15/07 02:13 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Why do I feel that I'm the only one completely phsyced about the new Metallica album coming out soon?

No, I'm looking forward to the new album as well. Maybe it'll suck, but perhaps it will be better than their last few albums and if it's something like Justice/Black album (I don't expect a Master of Puppets 2 as Lars thinks the album is), then that's good enough.

At 12/15/07 05:12 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I've said it before, i'll say it again: not all rap is bad.

Rap isn't my cup of tea, but I don't think ALL of it is bad.

At 12/16/07 06:31 AM, MADfreak wrote: im in my favourite bands are iron maiden,korn,AILD and blind guardian

Maiden and Blind Guardian, yay. Korn, nay. And AILD?

At 12/16/07 11:22 AM, BrAddErZ958 wrote:

At 12/16/07 11:15 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: YOU'RE EVEN MORE OUT THAN I AM , AND THAT'S PRETTY GODDAMN OUT

I doubt that.
Bullet For My Valentine-Metal

No fucking way!

At 12/16/07 12:05 PM, Bahamut wrote:

I doubt that.
Bullet For My Valentine-Metal

No fucking way!

Actually, check wikipedia, it says otherwise. But if you don't think so, then thats fine with me. Care to enlighten me?

At 12/16/07 11:55 AM, BrAddErZ958 wrote:

10 Years.

Don't know

Apocalyptica

Ok, Not discussed much.

Avenged Sevenfold.

No

Bleed The Dream.

Sounds -coreish

Drowning Pool.

NOOOOOO!!

Dragonforce.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Rammstein.

OMFG NO!

Red.

Dunno

Roadrunner United.

Nah

Rob Zombie.

Nope

Slipknot.

DEFINITELY NOT

Stone Sour.

OH NO!

Get some
Amon Amarth
Anaal Nathrakh
Belphegor
Bathory
Behemoth
Cannibal Corpse
Ensiferum
Wintersun
Týr
Korpiklaani
Enslaved
Finntroll

Those are true metal all.