At 12/18/11 07:59 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:50 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

I would give Stafford a benefit of doubt despite having the same problem Eli has in the second half. As for Cam Newton, why would he be the more deserving of the pro bowl spot?

Because he is a rookie and has broken rookie and overall records this season.

Is it entirely fair? No, probably not, but regardless he deserves that spot. More than anything I think it's unfair to say Cam doesn't deserve that spot, because he does.

I hate the Giants, especially Eli Manning, so I am probably the last one to advocate his deserving anything but even I can see that there is something off about it all.

So maybe Cam doesn't have the best stats by comparison, but I think when you consider where the Panthers were a season ago and what he has done to not only make that team a threat but also make them a team people actually look at on Sunday, it's more fair than it seems.

At 12/18/11 08:15 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:59 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:50 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

I would give Stafford a benefit of doubt despite having the same problem Eli has in the second half. As for Cam Newton, why would he be the more deserving of the pro bowl spot?

Because he is a rookie and has broken rookie and overall records this season.

Care to name what records he have broken? Maybe rookies yards passed but overall, not much to brag about.

Is it entirely fair? No, probably not, but regardless he deserves that spot. More than anything I think it's unfair to say Cam doesn't deserve that spot, because he does.

So he deserve the spot because he does? Okay.

I hate the Giants, especially Eli Manning, so I am probably the last one to advocate his deserving anything but even I can see that there is something off about it all.

Thank you for your honesty.

At 12/18/11 08:18 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 08:15 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:59 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:50 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

Care to name what records he have broken? Maybe rookies yards passed but overall, not much to brag about.

The ones I know he has are most passing yards in a game by a rookie, rushing TD's by a QB in a single season, and then the rookie passing yards overall. All of them rather impressive and putting him in the company of other impressive players.

So he deserve the spot because he does? Okay.

No he deserves it because he is a really good player.

At 12/18/11 08:32 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

At 12/18/11 08:18 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 08:15 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

The ones I know he has are most passing yards in a game by a rookie, rushing TD's by a QB in a single season, and then the rookie passing yards overall. All of them rather impressive and putting him in the company of other impressive players.

So his season ranks with the rookie seasons which includes the ones by Dan Marino, Ben Roethisberger, and Matt Ryan?

Newton's rushing stats would make him more of a version of Vince Young and Michael Vick.

No he deserves it because he is a really good player.

So he's a really good player with bad stats.

At 12/18/11 08:32 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

At 12/18/11 08:18 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 08:15 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:59 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/18/11 07:50 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

Care to name what records he have broken? Maybe rookies yards passed but overall, not much to brag about.

The ones I know he has are most passing yards in a game by a rookie, rushing TD's by a QB in a single season, and then the rookie passing yards overall. All of them rather impressive and putting him in the company of other impressive players.

That may be, but at the same side of the coin, he has only 5 wins to his credit. Granted, the defense in Carolina is pathetic, and other than Steve Smith, they really don't have good WRs around him, but in the end, Eli has better stats and more wins than Newton, and it's not right for Newton to get the Pro Bowl and Eli gets snubbed.

Not like it matters in the end though, but my point still stands.

No he deserves it because he is a really good player.

I'm not saying that Cam isn't a good player, he is, but there is a huge glut of great QBs in the NFC right now, and Eli leads in wins, stats and experience over Newton, which means Eli should get the nod. Although as I said before, it doesn't matter because it's not like either one of them are going to play more than a quarter and a half in the Pro Bowl, if that.

At 12/18/11 03:22 PM, reverend wrote: Packers! What are you doing?!
Also Giants! What are you doing?!

Also Colts! It was a strange day of football today. I actually got to watch a lot of the games since I wasn't busy with schoolwork for once, and it was very relaxing. Unfortunately pretty much all of my picks had to go and lose... But that's ok. I don't think anyone could have predicted all the unfolded today. Now I'm sure Monday Night the Steelers are gonna tie the 49ers just for fun.

Broncos lost, Broncos lost!
Take that sack, Tebow! >:D

John Harbaugh better get his brother Jim something really nice for Christmas now. I'm 10-6 for this week I believe, not too good but it was a pretty odd week of football.

At 12/20/11 12:35 AM, Cootie wrote:

At 12/19/11 10:19 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Broncos lost, Broncos lost!
Take that sack, Tebow! >:D

Tebow? More like TeBLOW, amiright?

Another Broncos meltdown in the agenda?

At 12/20/11 04:22 AM, Psil0 wrote:

At 12/20/11 12:39 AM, Travis wrote: Damn... I figured the Steelers would come through.

What a shit week.

Rankings please Rev.

So happy I bet on the 49ers!!!

Watched the Steelers game at Buffalo Wild Wings and nearly started choking on my wings when I saw how shitty things got for Pittsburgh. I was amazed that they got so manhandled in the second half by San Francisco and I'm not looking forward to seeing the rankings for this week. I'm going to bet that it's not gonna look pretty for me. :(

Week 15 Standings

Most Wins This Week:
10 Wins - chiefindomer and Psil0

Most Losses This Week:
10 Losses - jonthomson

[ Rank ] [ W - L ] [ Win% ] [ User, Prev rank ]

>>>01 ] [ 149-75 ] [ .665 ] [ chiefindomer, 2 ]
>>>02 ] [ 148-76 ] [ .661 ] [ ZJ, 1 ]
>>>03 ] [ 147-77 ] [ .656 ] [ Travis, 4 ]
>>>04 ] [ 146-78 ] [ .652 ] [ illuminate, 4 ]
>>>-- ] [ 146-78 ] [ .652 ] [ orangebomb, 5 ]
>>>06 ] [ 145-79 ] [ .647 ] [ jonthomson, 2 ]
>>>07 ] [ 144-80 ] [ .643 ] [ Ship, 7 ]
>>>08 ] [ 139-85 ] [ .620 ] [ Fro, 8 ]
>>>09 ] [ 138-86 ] [ .616 ] [ reverend, 9 ]
---
>>>-- ] [ 97-58 ] [ .626 ] [ Gobblemeister, - ]
>>>-- ] [ 115-77 ] [ .599 ] [ Psil0, - ]

Week 15 Rankings:
chiefindomer 10-6
Psil0 10-6
orangebomb 9-7
Travis 9-7
illuminate 8-8
Gobblemeister 8-8
Ship 8-8
ZJ 8-8
Fro 7-9
reverend 7-9
jonthomson 6-10

Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis -
Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City -
Jacksonville at Tennessee -
Miami at New England -
Arizona at Cincinnati -
Denver at Buffalo -
St. Louis at Pittsburgh -
NY Giants at NY Jets -
Minnesota at Washington -
Tampa Bay at Carolina -
Cleveland at Baltimore -
San Diego at Detroit -
Philadelphia at Dallas -
San Francisco at Seattle -
Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay -
Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans -

I started out p well but i've started slipping, I seem to have lost my insight

Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis - Texans
Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City - Chiefs
Jacksonville at Tennessee - Jaguars
Miami at New England - Patriots
Arizona at Cincinnati - Bengals
Denver at Buffalo - Bills
St. Louis at Pittsburgh - Steelers
NY Giants at NY Jets - Giants
Minnesota at Washington - Vikings
Tampa Bay at Carolina - Panthers
Cleveland at Baltimore - Ravens
San Diego at Detroit - Chargers
Philadelphia at Dallas - Eagles
San Francisco at Seattle - 49ers
Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay - Packers
Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans - Saints

Ohio State gets a one-year Bowl ban thanks to Jim Tressel

Kinda shitty, but I guess it's a fitting punishment. Hopefully once this is over with, the program can get back on track and start kicking ass again.

The Bowl/Big 10 Championship ban isn't so bad but losing even more scholarships than the ones OSU already took away is what will affect Urban's recruiting. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of those verbal commitments leave for other schools.

Beef O'Brady Bowl - St. Petersburg is on and it's making me hungry even though there isn't one for 1000 miles.

At 12/20/11 08:11 PM, Psil0 wrote:

At 12/20/11 03:50 PM, ZJ wrote: Ohio State gets a one-year Bowl ban thanks to Jim Tressel

Kinda shitty, but I guess it's a fitting punishment. Hopefully once this is over with, the program can get back on track and start kicking ass again.

I actually think that's a good thing. It gives Urban Meyer time to get rid of the crappy players left over from the Tressel era and bring in some real star power. Also, hell be better set up for his first bowl run.

Not nessacarily, a lot of the crappy players from the last 2 regimes are most likely going to stay. And considering the reduction of scholarships for the next couple of years, chances are Ohio State isn't going to get every 4 and 5 star recruits that they normally got in the past, which possibly means a lower quality of football during that time, and even with only a 1 year bowl ban, some top recruits might be scared off and go somewhere else like Nebraska, Wisconsin or even Michigan. Also, unlike in Florida, Meyer is not inheirting a lot of quality talent other than Braxton, and even then, he's up in the air on how good he can be. At the very least, it's going to take him 2 years to get Ohio State back to playing in BCS bowl games, if that.

All and all, I dare say that the Bucks got off pretty light, considering the severity of their crimes is a lot worse than USC's, and yet the Trojans get thwacked with 2 years and a shitload of scholarship reductions in football. TBH, if it wasn't for the money involved in tv, bowl games and the like, the Big 6 conferences should basically break away from the NCAA and form their own league with their own rules, that way you don't have to deal with sanctions, vacated wins, and other such bullshit. I know that will probably never happen, but it should at least be discussed.

Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis - Texans
Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City - Chiefs
Jacksonville at Tennessee - Titans
Miami at New England - Pats
Arizona at Cincinnati - Bengals
Denver at Buffalo - Broncos
St. Louis at Pittsburgh - Steelers
NY Giants at NY Jets - Jets
Minnesota at Washington - Vikings
Tampa Bay at Carolina - Panthers
Cleveland at Baltimore - Ravens
San Diego at Detroit - Chargers
Philadelphia at Dallas - Cowboys
San Francisco at Seattle - 49ers
Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay - Packers
Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans - Saints

At 12/20/11 03:50 PM, ZJ wrote: Ohio State gets a one-year Bowl ban thanks to Jim Tressel

Kinda shitty, but I guess it's a fitting punishment. Hopefully once this is over with, the program can get back on track and start kicking ass again.

They will get raped by any elite SEC team until they learn how to play defense.
It may take them a few years to win the national championship, even though Urban Meyer is a great coach.

texans for the early game please. rest to come later.

Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday

Houston at Indianapolis - Texans

Christmas Eve

Oakland at Kansas City - Chiefs
Jacksonville at Tennessee - Titans
Miami at New England - Pats
Arizona at Cincinnati - Bengals
Denver at Buffalo - Broncos
St. Louis at Pittsburgh - Steelers
NY Giants at NY Jets - Giants
Minnesota at Washington - Redskins
Tampa Bay at Carolina - Panthers
Cleveland at Baltimore - Ravens
San Diego at Detroit - Lions
Philadelphia at Dallas - Eagles
San Francisco at Seattle - 49ers

Christmas

Chicago at Green Bay - Packers

Monday

Atlanta at New Orleans - Saints

At 12/20/11 12:26 PM, reverend wrote: Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis -

Texans

Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City -

Chiefs

Jacksonville at Tennessee -

Titans

Miami at New England -

Patriots

Arizona at Cincinnati -

Bengals

Denver at Buffalo -

Broncos

St. Louis at Pittsburgh -

Steelers

NY Giants at NY Jets -

Giants

Minnesota at Washington -

Redskins

Tampa Bay at Carolina -

Panthers

Cleveland at Baltimore -

Ravens

San Diego at Detroit -

Lions

Philadelphia at Dallas -

Eagles

San Francisco at Seattle -

Niners

Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay -

Packers

Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans -

Saints

At 12/21/11 02:54 AM, reverend wrote: Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis

Houston

Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City

Kansas City

Jacksonville at Tennessee

Tennessee

Miami at New England

New England

Arizona at Cincinnati

Cincinnati

Denver at Buffalo

Denver

St. Louis at Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh

NY Giants at NY Jets

NY Giants

Minnesota at Washington

Washington

Tampa Bay at Carolina

Carolina

Cleveland at Baltimore

Baltimore

San Diego at Detroit

Detroit

Philadelphia at Dallas

Dallas

San Francisco at Seattle

San Francisco

Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay

Green Bay

Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans

New Orleans

At 12/21/11 11:29 AM, jonthomson wrote: texans for the early game please. rest to come later.

Same thing for me. Houston will win tonight.

Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis - Texans
Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City - Chiefs
Jacksonville at Tennessee - Titans
Miami at New England - Patriots
Arizona at Cincinnati - Cardinals
Denver at Buffalo - Tebows
St. Louis at Pittsburgh - Steelers
NY Giants at NY Jets - Giants
Minnesota at Washington - Redskins
Tampa Bay at Carolina - Panthers
Cleveland at Baltimore - Ravens
San Diego at Detroit - Lions
Philadelphia at Dallas - Cowboys
San Francisco at Seattle - 49ers
Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay - Packers
Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans - Saints

Week 16 Schedule:
Thursday
Houston at Indianapolis -

Houston

Christmas Eve
Oakland at Kansas City -

Who knows o.O

Oakland

Jacksonville at Tennessee -

Jacksonville

Miami at New England -

Patriots

Arizona at Cincinnati -

Bengals

Denver at Buffalo -

Bills

St. Louis at Pittsburgh -

Steelers

NY Giants at NY Jets -

Giants

Minnesota at Washington -

Vikings

Tampa Bay at Carolina -

Panthers

Cleveland at Baltimore -

Ravens

San Diego at Detroit -

San Diego

Philadelphia at Dallas -

Philly, I don't know why, but Philly...

San Francisco at Seattle -

49rs

Christmas
Chicago at Green Bay -

Packers

Monday
Atlanta at New Orleans -

Saints

At 12/19/11 10:19 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Broncos lost, Broncos lost!
Take that sack, Tebow! >:D

I wish we could all be like you. Being able to predict that one of the best teams in the NFL might be able to beat one that is mediocre at best. Really takes knowledge to see that one coming!

Damn, I thought the Texans were going to have an easy win tonight but the Colts managed to pull off the upset at the end, which was pretty cool to see.

Dan Orlovsky just cost the Colts Andrew Luck.

At 12/22/11 11:28 PM, chiefindomer wrote: Damn, I thought the Texans were going to have an easy win tonight but the Colts managed to pull off the upset at the end, which was pretty cool to see.

Seriously, Texans? First they get torched by Carolina at home, and then they choked against the hopeless Colts team, now I probably know that their win over the Bengals was a fluke after all. And why of all times are the Colts winning, and possibly losing their chance at getting Andrew Luck? I know they're professionals and all, but they're really not thinking about their future, missing out on Luck and settling for something else.

On a more positive note, Kellen Moore notched his 50th win as QB for the My Little Ponies of Boise State. Not to take a dump on his record, but the good majority of those wins were up against glorified FCS programs that few people care about, and who couldn't put up much of a fight against the good SEC or Big Ten teams, much less against Boise St.

At 12/22/11 11:29 PM, reverend wrote: Dan Orlovsky just cost the Colts Andrew Luck.

It's going to be fun seeing who will be the goat to pull a Mike Ditka and give up the farm for the first pick like he did for Ricky Williams.

Why would anyone other than the Colts draft Andrew Luck?

Both the Vikings and the Rams already invested in 1st round QBs so the Colts are the only one of the bottom three in desperate need of one.

Unless you guys are talking about trading the pick away to someone else who wants Luck.

Week Sixteen
Houston at Indianapolis: Houston (Wrong)
Oakland at Kansas City: Kansas City
Jacksonville at Tennessee: Tennessee
Miami at New England: New England
Arizona at Cincinnati: Cincinnati
Denver at Buffalo: Denver
Saint Louis at Pittsburgh: Pittsburgh
New York Giants at New York Jets: New York Giants
Minnesota at Washington: Washington
Tampa Bay at Carolina: Carolina
Cleveland at Baltimore: Baltimore
San Diego at Detroit: San Diego
Philadelphia at Dallas: Philadelphia
San Francisco at Seattle: San Francisco
Chicago at Green Bay: Green Bay
Atlanta at New Orleans: New Orleans