I think you guys have got the wrong thought in your mind about what games are.
When you play a game of chess youre trying to beat your opponent and he's trying to beat you.
Likewise when you play a videogame youre trying to beat the GAME DESIGNER.
Some game designers dont put up much of a fight i guess.....we have a godly advantage i guess so some are nice enough to give you a free pass...but you sure as hell shouldnt expect it.....you should expect your fight with the game designer to be a fight against a VENGEFUL GOD WHO WANTS YOU DEAD.

When you play Lastman you're fighting me....you're fighting me as i was a month ago designing this level and giggling at how surprising the next area would be.
And when you die i may not be there to see it in person but my spirit is in that game PLAYING THE GAME OVER MUSIC.

*keh keh keh keh, just as planned* it sings.

PIG PEN your game is shit your image is gross what should i say more

At 7/6/09 04:53 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 7/6/09 03:24 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Ah, so you're saying that this game is for the elite gamers and the rest can just go to hell?
That, my friend, is racism.

Lol??
So "gamers" are a race? Maybe you should look up those words before you use them carelessly.

Uhm, racism towards non-super good gamers.Maybe you should think before posting stupid things.
Racism does not only apply to "against a race" but also "against a group of people".
And don't tell me that gamers are not a group of people.
I'll give you a popular example: a lot of people hate furries, or emos.
If this hate makes them flame them or beat them up if they have the chance they are racist because they hate them only because they are what they are.
:/

Yay, and we now have a loser attitude (read: ATTITUDE, l am not saying that you're a loser).
So you are actually OK with a game that probably 2 or 3 users wil beat?

Where's the fun if there where only games that everyone could beat and the only thing that can bring you to the top of the medal points list isn't skill but how much time you can sink into those games?

Hey, having CHALLENGING games is one thing, having impossible hard games in another.
See, l have nothing against challenging games but l do have a lot of things against games that require you to play them 24/7 for a year in order to beat them.

Seriously, all this bitching about "how hard" the game is, is just annoying.

I have a question for you: did you play that game for over 1 minute?
Because judjing by your posts it appears that you haven't.
You're talking about this game like it was a chalenging but fun, easy-to-pick platformer...

At 7/6/09 07:55 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 7/6/09 04:53 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 7/6/09 03:24 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Ah, so you're saying that this game is for the elite gamers and the rest can just go to hell?
That, my friend, is racism.

Lol??
So "gamers" are a race? Maybe you should look up those words before you use them carelessly.

Uhm, racism towards non-super good gamers.Maybe you should think before posting stupid things.
Racism does not only apply to "against a race" but also "against a group of people".

That's right, but creating games that only "elite gamers" as you called them can beat doesn't exactly fall under "racism" no matter how you look at it.

Yay, and we now have a loser attitude (read: ATTITUDE, l am not saying that you're a loser).
So you are actually OK with a game that probably 2 or 3 users wil beat?

Where's the fun if there where only games that everyone could beat and the only thing that can bring you to the top of the medal points list isn't skill but how much time you can sink into those games?

Hey, having CHALLENGING games is one thing, having impossible hard games in another.
See, l have nothing against challenging games but l do have a lot of things against games that require you to play them 24/7 for a year in order to beat them.

Hm, I've seen people here stating they've beaten the game. So it can't be impossible, right?

Seriously, all this bitching about "how hard" the game is, is just annoying.

I have a question for you: did you play that game for over 1 minute?
Because judjing by your posts it appears that you haven't.
You're talking about this game like it was a chalenging but fun, easy-to-pick platformer...

Doesn't matter how long I've played it (it wasn't long, hit detection is way off and the controls are too stiff), but I still can find it annoying how people whine and bitch about how the game is too hard and how they are unable to ever get those medals.

i found last man to be a challenge... i still havent gotten very far in it but still... its hard and is fustraighting at times but every time i play it i get further and further... check points would be VERY usefull as im getting rather bored of going through the whole map time and time and time again just to fail at the next bit... i have to agree with the armadilos that they are very tricky to get right... in your vid of you playing it... you have no problems... but i and a few other users find them very hard to get right... i have to land on them and move to the left or right then jump on them again to get them to work.. iv only managed to get them to work a few times on the one off jump... i found closing the game down when an add pops up and reloading it is quicker... so thats what i do :P

anway... im kind of enjoying the game and the fact that this is a proper medal for an achivement... (much like DD) its hard to obtain.. medals like OCD+ are just stupid as anyone can get them... who has many hours spare... i havent had a chance to even get time to attempt more then one code box... and i cant seem to speed the clock up either...

talking of medals i havent got on drop the bomb has anyone found out a way of getting three bombs in a row / clear the game without any explosions... iv tried to time it but to no effect... i think its just random... :S

so yeah... last man is a hard game... i wouldnt say its great seen as its graphics are so pixeled *i know its based on an older plac-form game and stuff* but still... games are ment to be enjoyable as well as hard in places... check points would be usefull and stop me closing down the game when an add finaly comes up...

stuppid armadilos :P

At 7/6/09 08:04 AM, Haggard wrote: Hm, I've seen people here stating they've beaten the game. So it can't be impossible, right?

I really wouldn't believe these people...even if they have medals.
It's far too early for anyone (even people great at platformers) to have mastered Lastman yet.
I think multiple people are using Flash manipulation software to cheat...the main giveaway seems to be that cheaters earn the secret medal before the Boss Beetle medal which is impossible without cheating.

...these people probably cheat on any game to obtain medals.

WOOT yeah look at me go!

PS the medal is a joke

At 7/6/09 09:39 AM, PiGPEN wrote: I really wouldn't believe these people...even if they have medals.
It's far too early for anyone (even people great at platformers) to have mastered Lastman yet.
I think multiple people are using Flash manipulation software to cheat...the main giveaway seems to be that cheaters earn the secret medal before the Boss Beetle medal which is impossible without cheating.

...these people probably cheat on any game to obtain medals.

What about this guy? Or his thread? Is he the first one to beat the game legitimately?

At 7/6/09 03:24 AM, HeavyTank wrote: bbbbb

Point is, it doesn't matter what games 'deserve medals' in them or not. If you don't like the game, don't keep playing for the medals and continue to whine and complain. It's only for certain people who enjoy really hard games and get something to show for it gaaah....And no it's not racism, if I put a boring-ass airplane sim I made on NG, you people would act like its a HUGE chore and start complaining, when really, its supposed to be a fun game for a specific audience that happens to not be you, apparently. Different games are created to please certain audiences. If you outright think the game is far too hard, provide constructive criticism on how the designer could make the game very hard AND your definition of 'fun'.

Also, the graphics are simple for a reason. Pixel by pixel hit collisions are much easier for the player to predict when running, timing their jumps, and sliding with the platforms and walls. Also it's funny to see a detailed box art then crappy graphics just like the old games back when they were hard.

At 7/6/09 10:48 AM, Starogre wrote:

At 7/6/09 03:24 AM, HeavyTank wrote: bbbbb

Point is, it doesn't matter what games 'deserve medals' in them or not. If you don't like the game, don't keep playing for the medals and continue to whine and complain. It's only for certain people who enjoy really hard games and get something to show for it gaaah....And no it's not racism, if I put a boring-ass airplane sim I made on NG, you people would act like its a HUGE chore and start complaining, when really, its supposed to be a fun game for a specific audience that happens to not be you, apparently. Different games are created to please certain audiences. If you outright think the game is far too hard, provide constructive criticism on how the designer could make the game very hard AND your definition of 'fun'.

Also, the graphics are simple for a reason. Pixel by pixel hit collisions are much easier for the player to predict when running, timing their jumps, and sliding with the platforms and walls. Also it's funny to see a detailed box art then crappy graphics just like the old games back when they were hard.

Well said my friend. I obtained all the medals for Lastman due to the enjoyment it brought forth. too many farcical complaints regarding the game as result of challenge. Play the games for enjoyment, and I personally feel that Lastman was well designed and written, it's like a piece of art. If you fail once, try again and with patience you'll eventually reach your reward. Good luck folks!

At 7/6/09 11:01 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote:

At 7/6/09 10:59 AM, Wayne wrote: Good luck folks!

Maybe you can help us with a walkthrough on youtube?

Yes wayne, bust out camtasia and show your skill... keh keh keh.

At 7/6/09 11:01 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote:

At 7/6/09 10:59 AM, Wayne wrote: Good luck folks!

Maybe you can help us with a walkthrough on youtube?

Honestly, I don't know if I am capable of completing it again today, but sure I'll give it a try. I'm very fluent with the design therefor may be able to provide it all via visual recording. Yet, it took me MANY tries so this video will take a while. I'll give it a go again, hopefully I'll have it finished for today. I'll break up the recording in segments for failure removal. I can't guarantee this video walkthrough though so don't count on it if I'm unable. I'll see what I can do, I HATE recording gameplay. I'll get started on it now! ^^

I've been able to gain medals before, no problem.
But ever since yesterday, I get this message "not logged in, medals will not be displayed on profile"
and I AM logged in, so I tried clearing my cache... still - nothing.
I tried refreshing, I looked up other threads like this on the bbs, but nothing would help me.

Do anybody have a solution or atleast a tip?

Help would be appreciated, thanks.

At 7/6/09 11:12 AM, Wayne wrote: Honestly, I don't know if I am capable of completing it again today, but sure I'll give it a try. I'm very fluent with the design therefor may be able to provide it all via visual recording. Yet, it took me MANY tries so this video will take a while. I'll give it a go again, hopefully I'll have it finished for today. I'll break up the recording in segments for failure removal. I can't guarantee this video walkthrough though so don't count on it if I'm unable. I'll see what I can do, I HATE recording gameplay. I'll get started on it now! ^^

No breaking up into segments!
If you can play it perfect it should only take about 5-8 minutes to reach the boss...no reason for segments.

At 7/6/09 11:22 AM, PiGPEN wrote:

At 7/6/09 11:12 AM, Wayne wrote: Honestly, I don't know if I am capable of completing it again today, but sure I'll give it a try. I'm very fluent with the design therefor may be able to provide it all via visual recording. Yet, it took me MANY tries so this video will take a while. I'll give it a go again, hopefully I'll have it finished for today. I'll break up the recording in segments for failure removal. I can't guarantee this video walkthrough though so don't count on it if I'm unable. I'll see what I can do, I HATE recording gameplay. I'll get started on it now! ^^

No breaking up into segments!
If you can play it perfect it should only take about 5-8 minutes to reach the boss...no reason for segments.

5-8 minutes? =-O

That would be qualified as a Godly speed run for this game. I'll accept your challenge and try to beat it with a single try....but the reasoning behind the segments is that I'm very careful and the process may seem slow...perhaps I'll just speed up the recording. Hopefully this time it will seem easier. I can honestly say this game has made my heart palpitate more than any other on Newgrounds. Time to reward myself once again with that "an home meal at last".

*awaits walk through*...

if this turns into a hoax il try having a go recording... im not great but iv got a hell load of tricks and tips to get to where i am... *im better then pigpen at the first bit / rockets* :3

Prepair to the epic saga....

no im just joking... but i will try get some vids up soon :P

At 7/6/09 11:34 AM, Wayne wrote: 5-8 minutes? =-O

That would be qualified as a Godly speed run for this game.

On the second play on my video i only took 6 minutes to get where i died.....and given you've played that far you'd know i was only a few jumps away from the boss area. And i was going fairly slow.

At 7/6/09 10:48 AM, Starogre wrote:

:ppppppp:

Well, if you want a super-hard+fun game...uh..l dunno.
The fact that it is super hard removes all the fun automatically....
Why would someone like to die non-stop?
At least add a difficulty level!

Also, the graphics are simple for a reason. Pixel by pixel hit collisions are much easier for the player to predict when running, timing their jumps, and sliding with the platforms and walls. Also it's funny to see a detailed box art then crappy graphics just like the old games back when they were hard.

As l said, it was made like that because PigPen was lazy.
Nobody's blaming him for that.

Also, by creating super hard games you're promoting hacking....obviously, players that REALLY want that medal but can't get it legitimately...
Take Wayne for example.
He got the medal before he dying 127 times.
So now we have 2 possibilities: hax or....ubergaming.
Also, can somebody tell me what the heck to you have to do to get the other 100 point medal.
If you don't feel lke posting it here PM me.

At 7/6/09 12:41 PM, HeavyTank wrote: As l said, it was made like that because PigPen was lazy.
Nobody's blaming him for that.

I really doubt that, I'm under the impression the graphics are like that because there meant to resemble an NES game. (considering the difficulty of the game, I think it's a safe guess)

Also, by creating super hard games you're promoting hacking....obviously, players that REALLY want that medal but can't get it legitimately...

oh please, you'll have hackers either way, there's been "hackers" from day one, it doesn't matter what game has badges, there will always be "hackers" - and yes, I do use the term "hacker" lightly. it's more like editing flash files.

Take Wayne for example.
He got the medal before he dying 127 times.
So now we have 2 possibilities: hax or....ubergaming.

try not to suggest that others are "hacking", he most likely took his time playing the game instead of rushing it like others (myself included).

At 7/6/09 12:41 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 7/6/09 10:48 AM, Starogre wrote: ppppppp:

Well, if you want a super-hard+fun game...uh..l dunno.
The fact that it is super hard removes all the fun automatically....
Why would someone like to die non-stop?
At least add a difficulty level!

Also, the graphics are simple for a reason. Pixel by pixel hit collisions are much easier for the player to predict when running, timing their jumps, and sliding with the platforms and walls. Also it's funny to see a detailed box art then crappy graphics just like the old games back when they were hard.

As l said, it was made like that because PigPen was lazy.
Nobody's blaming him for that.

Also, by creating super hard games you're promoting hacking....obviously, players that REALLY want that medal but can't get it legitimately...
Take Wayne for example.
He got the medal before he dying 127 times.
So now we have 2 possibilities: hax or....ubergaming.
Also, can somebody tell me what the heck to you have to do to get the other 100 point medal.
If you don't feel lke posting it here PM me.

No, the game was made quickly and efficiently so detailed sprite graphics were not made. If you go back to super mario bros., it's possible to get within pixel distances to enemies and thus speedruns are formed. In this game, you can tell if you really touch something because a giant pixel touches another giant pixel, not tons of curvy vectors and weird animations colliding together...And yes it is to resemble an 8 bit game. I made the box art super detailed to contrast the retro style of in-game graphics for that reason.

Please....if a difficulty level was added you medal whores would still complain and whine about how you can't get the other half of the medals in the difficult mode. If you can't give constructive criticism I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself until you can give us legit game design advice rather than just complaining.

Just beat the entire game to get all the medals. It's implied you will die 127 times and the other two you get from playing through the game normally.

At 7/6/09 03:24 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Wylo
I don't care what game has medals as long as they work as they should and the game isn't glitched.

Oh, and no mute button for annoying sound effects?

Yay, and we now have a loser attitude (read: ATTITUDE, l am not saying that you're a loser).
So you are actually OK with a game that probably 2 or 3 users wil beat?

I don't understand how that gives me a loser attitude. I guess you like playing games with glitches. All I know is that you are a troll and bash any game you can't beat. I don't need to respond to any of your post because I know you won't recognize anything but your own opinion.

HeavyTank, go flame yourself. I bet you could do it too and make an hour long video of it.

At 7/6/09 05:12 AM, PiGPEN wrote:

At 7/6/09 01:04 AM, Wylo wrote: Only thing I hold against the Lastman game is the glitch where you die 50% of the time when you attack an armadillo that's balled up to kick it.

Not a glitch, stop running into it...being on past it's midpoint in the direction it is moving = death.

Actually it is a glitch because it doesn't happen only when I'm running into it - walking and jumping on it kill me often. And that's not how platform games should be designed - if you had modelled it after the Koopas in Mario Bros, you would never get killed by kicking a shell. Maybe you should make the hitbox for the ball bigger. Actually the ball is really annoying because sometimes it will only kill one other armadillo then be destroyed itself and will not continue down the line.

Not a glitch, fear the warp ceiling zones.

Oh, now I see it had to do with transforming blocks after seeing your vid. =)

At 7/6/09 10:46 AM, Duffle wrote: What about this guy? Or his thread? Is he the first one to beat the game legitimately?

Did you not see that he downloaded the game and was playing on his computer? And that the game was bigger then it was supposed to?

It is possible to get the boss medal before dieing 127 times. I mean every time ads come up I just click the X for the full screen mode and then press play again. It goes much faster than waiting for the medals to load. I on the other hand took suicide 127 times before I started doing this.

Anyways, I find this game very fun. It's hard as fuck. I don't know why people are bitching about this; I don't remember anyone complaining about DD. If you gave up on DD, you might as well give up on this as well.

Btw, does anyone know how to get the secret medal?

At 7/6/09 10:46 AM, Duffle wrote: What about this guy? Or his thread? Is he the first one to beat the game legitimately?

Did you not see that he downloaded the game and was playing on his computer? And that the game was bigger then it was supposed to?

I've gotten DD on my computer by right clicking and clicking forward. But I can't do that on newgrounds. I could probably get a lot of medals by downloading flash movies, but it doesn't work on the Internet. It's easy to pretend you're good.

At 7/6/09 01:31 PM, Wylo wrote: Actually it is a glitch because it doesn't happen only when I'm running into it - walking and jumping on it kill me often. And that's not how platform games should be designed - if you had modelled it after the Koopas in Mario Bros, you would never get killed by kicking a shell. Maybe you should make the hitbox for the ball bigger. Actually the ball is really annoying because sometimes it will only kill one other armadillo then be destroyed itself and will not continue down the line.

Not a glitch, fear the warp ceiling zones.

Oh, now I see it had to do with transforming blocks after seeing your vid. =)

If the armadillo is a ball and you jump from the left side and hit it slightly past the midpoint on its right side, it goes to the left instead of right like you had planned and kills you instantly.

And warp ceiling zones, if you're between two red signs you can jump through the ceiling and come out the bottom. if you fall in the pit that way you die.

TO GET THE SECRET MEDAL: requires beating the boss

---just make sure to jump on the side of the armadillo you start on and he'll go in the opposite direction

TO GET THE SECRET MEDAL: requires beating the boss

Damnit. I can't get that far.

Any cheats in the game? :3

At 7/6/09 01:31 PM, Wylo wrote: I don't understand how that gives me a loser attitude. I guess you like playing games with glitches. All I know is that you are a troll and bash any game you can't beat. I don't need to respond to any of your post because I know you won't recognize anything but your own opinion.

Just wait a minute, aren't you supposed to support your own opinion?
If you don't agree with yourself you have a serious problem....
I am not a troll, the trolls are the authors that give us medal games that are hard, boring and frustrating just because they know that we will keep playing the game just to get the medals..I hope that you understand that.

HeavyTank, go flame yourself. I bet you could do it too and make an hour long video of it.

Haha, now you're being an asshole.I don't bash any game l can't beat...take that space game for example.
I thought it was way too hard but someone said that if l beat story mode then try survival it's much easier.
Hey, and look, I AGREED WITH HIM and recognised that l was wrong.
Same goes for DDD, with the only difference being that the game fixed itself, l had to do nothing about it.
So here you go, you have proof against what you're saying.
I am saying what l think, but l have no respect for people like you, smartasses that think they are better than everyone else....you also don't recognise anything else but your opinion so practically you just calld yourself a troll.
Nice job genius.

And seriously, l DON'T want to start a flame war.
Please.
Stop talking shit about me and l'll do the same.

At 7/6/09 02:03 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

I am not a troll, the trolls are the authors that give us medal games that are hard, boring and frustrating just because they know that we will keep playing the game just to get the medals..I hope that you understand that.

lol i seriously laughed out loud at this

And seriously, l DON'T want to start a flame war.

the picture of yoda says differently. we can make whatever games we want, go make your own shit if you don't like it. in fact, it's not that you don't like it. you think we make games for that reason. actually, i'm a student and doing that box art can go right into my portfolio. apparently i just trolled productively! while you did this!

At 7/5/09 01:06 PM, iscrulz wrote:

At 7/5/09 07:14 AM, PiGPEN wrote:

At 7/5/09 07:08 AM, iscrulz wrote: Nah screw that game only fucking idiots would try to beat the game just get the easy medal and FU2 it.

I dont like this attitude.
I'm going to be asking Tom if he can change the 127 death medal to be worth negative points.

That would be cool if it could happen negative points. I think a hard medal to get would be clicking the ads 127 times, seeing as how people whiny and bitch about the advertising day and night.

That is a horrible idea. It sucks out all of the fun and we shouldn't be punished and having medal points taken away that some of us worked so hard to get.

At 7/6/09 02:35 PM, Starogre wrote:
lol i seriously laughed out loud at this

I bet you did since you're supposed to be the accused one.
Laughing is the only thing you can do...laughing while you watch us struggling to beat your game.

And seriously, l DON'T want to start a flame war.

the picture of yoda says differently. we can make whatever games we want, go make your own shit if you don't like it. in fact, it's not that you don't like it. you think we make games for that reason. actually, i'm a student and doing that box art can go right into my portfolio. apparently i just trolled productively! while you did this!

Lol, the picture of yoda was announcing that l will get flamed a lot for my post, and l was right!
And no, l don't want to make my own games, l want the existing ones to be a bit better.
Well, actually if you created only the box art you weren't trolling anyone, but you ARE trolling people in this thread...since your first post here....and what does the "while you did this" refer to?
My posts?
Well, the truth is, right now l REALLY have nothing better to do.

Oh, and if the purpose of the medals wasn't to troll people why do 1/2 users complain about it?
Do you think it's normal?