At 9/20/03 06:58 PM, bartard wrote: How about on every collection page theres a small list of movies that have one or two votes sugesting that they should become part of the page. So then users on that page can check out the movies and vote if they should get on the page.

One or two?? Make that 10 or 15. Probably more

I think the number of people who need to recommand the movie for a collection so Wade or Tom can see it will have to be tested.
Only 9-10 votes seems like a sure ticket to crapflood to me, but you never know, maybe its something the users won't give much of a damn about, like the possibility to mark a review "helpful", and they'll have to lower the number of required recommendations.

I wouldn't normally bump a topic that's a couple of days old, but just watching a couple of flashes gave me an idea. You ought to have a collection of tutorials - I've seen two very good tutorials pop-up on the portal over the last couple of days, and it would (in my eyes, anyway) be a very good idea if they were in a permanent collection, so that new artists have another thing to look at on NG to learn Flash (and point it out well!). In any case, I think this whole collection automation thing is a good idea so long as you can make it so it isn't abused.

One or two?? Make that 10 or 15. Probably more
I think the number of people who need to recommand the movie for a collection so Wade or Tom can see it will have to be tested.
Only 9-10 votes seems like a sure ticket to crapflood to me, but you never know, maybe its something the users won't give much of a damn about, like the possibility to mark a review "helpful", and they'll have to lower the number of required recommendations.

The problem there is that alot of good movies are lost deep in ng's basement, and wouldnt even get 1 vote.So 1-2 would be good for that.

the Wacked series by Jim Dunson should have it's own page. Each of the 16 episodes has at least a ranking of 3.0 plus there are 10-15 others all relating to the Wacked series

At 9/18/03 06:25 PM, liljim wrote: This is still all a long way off yet, just thought I'd get some ideas together now while I'm prepping everything. :)

updatey plz?

Things are really starting to come together with all of this, so if anyone has any further suggestions, now would be a good time to bring them to the table.

At 5/21/05 01:59 PM, liljim wrote: Things are really starting to come together with all of this, so if anyone has any further suggestions, now would be a good time to bring them to the table.

That is looking pretty sweet, I think someone else suggested something like a custom user collection? I dunno, there could be a collection page for "Fan favourites"? You know like where if these flash get so popular and so many people submit it to the "Fan favourite" collection area then it'll get a place in a collection regardless of the genre?

Paris Hilton, lolwtf???

At 5/21/05 06:24 PM, Denvish wrote: Paris Hilton, lolwtf???

Looking at the text on the collection page, looks like they're desperate for some Paris Hilton flash to add. XD

At 5/21/05 01:59 PM, liljim wrote: Things are really starting to come together with all of this, so if anyone has any further suggestions, now would be a good time to bring them to the table.

This is gonna be neat.

btw. liljim, the white font, atleast on my computer, looks like someone spilled cream on the screen.

Thought it might be worth adding, like an input box where you put in why you think this flash deserves to go in the collection, I can't tell in that picture if that's gonna be there or not, also you shouldn't be allowed to reccommend something to a collection whilst it is under judgement, because well, the risk of getting blammed and all? :P

At 5/21/05 06:19 PM, FrOzEn_FoX wrote: That is looking pretty sweet, I think someone else suggested something like a custom user collection? I dunno, there could be a collection page for "Fan favourites"? You know like where if these flash get so popular and so many people submit it to the "Fan favourite" collection area then it'll get a place in a collection regardless of the genre?

Not sure what you mean by all of that... Be sure and read through past comments (particularly ones that I've responded to) to see where we're going with all of this.

At 5/21/05 06:24 PM, Denvish wrote: Paris Hilton, lolwtf???

That's an existing collection. All existing collections are listed. Or will be, once we go live with this stuff.

At 5/21/05 08:49 PM, FrOzEn_FoX wrote: Thought it might be worth adding, like an input box where you put in why you think this flash deserves to go in the collection

Yeah, maybe - although that could get messy and might not be necessary - read through my VERY old comments about all of this stuff, just in case you've missed anything. :) I'm happy to revise methods of doing things, but only if they've not been run through before.

I can't tell in that picture if that's gonna be there or not, also you shouldn't be allowed to reccommend something to a collection whilst it is under judgement, because well, the risk of getting blammed and all?

Ditto on that one. I made those comments nearly two years ago, so it's not like you didn't have time to read them. ;) Under-judgement stuff will NOT be applicable for any of this.

I agree with the tutorial section for newgrounds, maybe less question will be asked on the BBS then.

Well, I read through the thread again, but I can't think of anything else to suggest. I can see this becoming a lot of work for Tom and Wade, checking out the suggested movies, and I can see the system being open to abuse by people wanting to get more exposure by having their Flash in collections (maybe a game/movie should require more than 10 votes...?). I can also see some collections becoming way too big, do you have any plans for dealing with collections that have more than say 200 Flashes?

Another thing that might be worth trying, although I'm not convinced it would work for things like the numa collection, is only allowing 'Submit To Collection' for Flashes over a certain score (2.5?) or review score (5.0?)

I'll probably have more ideas once I see the feature in action, by which stage it'll probably be too late to implement them ;)

At 5/21/05 09:05 PM, liljim wrote:

At 5/21/05 06:19 PM, FrOzEn_FoX wrote: That is looking pretty sweet, I think someone else suggested something like a custom user collection? I dunno, there could be a collection page for "Fan favourites"? You know like where if these flash get so popular and so many people submit it to the "Fan favourite" collection area then it'll get a place in a collection regardless of the genre?

Not sure what you mean by all of that... Be sure and read through past comments (particularly ones that I've responded to) to see where we're going with all of this.

Yeah, basically a collection full of flash chosen by the public because they like it, regardless of genre, like a review crew thing maybe but in a special collection, it would be a good idea if you know, it like only had the top ten most suggested flash, so like using PHP there would be an automated 10 ten collection of public favourites, ya know?

Of course, to prevent malicious abuse of this kinda system you should only be allowed to suggest a flash to a collection ONCE, and only ONCE, like reviews, but more strict with IP addresses. I hope that makes sense.

At 5/21/05 08:49 PM, FrOzEn_FoX wrote: Thought it might be worth adding, like an input box where you put in why you think this flash deserves to go in the collection

Yeah, maybe - although that could get messy and might not be necessary - read through my VERY old comments about all of this stuff, just in case you've missed anything. :) I'm happy to revise methods of doing things, but only if they've not been run through before.

I read through old comments by you but I don't think I saw anything along the lines, how could it get messy though? I mean such a system is involved with flagging of submissions.

I can't tell in that picture if that's gonna be there or not, also you shouldn't be allowed to reccommend something to a collection whilst it is under judgement, because well, the risk of getting blammed and all?

Ditto on that one. I made those comments nearly two years ago, so it's not like you didn't have time to read them. ;) Under-judgement stuff will NOT be applicable for any of this.

Then of course, such things are common sense. ;)

Yeah, hope these ideas help.

At 5/22/05 02:58 AM, Denvish wrote: Well, I read through the thread again, but I can't think of anything else to suggest. I can see this becoming a lot of work for Tom and Wade, checking out the suggested movies, and I can see the system being open to abuse by people wanting to get more exposure by having their Flash in collections (maybe a game/movie should require more than 10 votes...?).

There'll be some form of prioritised listing, so they won't have to look through every flash that's ever been suggested for a collection - they'll just have a list of the top suggested material. Eventually, I suspect we'll be enlisting the help of volunteers to comb through all of the stuff, but the critieria to get in the listing will certainly be high, meaning that only those entries that are highly suggested will be showing up.

I can also see some collections becoming way too big, do you have any plans for dealing with collections that have more than say 200 Flashes?

They will be split across different pages, but keep in mind only the best of the best will be getting through the suggestion phase, so collections shouldn't grow to be too monstrous.

Another thing that might be worth trying, although I'm not convinced it would work for things like the numa collection, is only allowing 'Submit To Collection' for Flashes over a certain score (2.5?) or review score (5.0?)

I think that with the number of suggestions that are needed to get through, only those entries that people really are interested in seeing in collections as a majority will get through. I'm not too concerned about that at the moment.

I'll probably have more ideas once I see the feature in action, by which stage it'll probably be too late to implement them ;)

That's the frustrating thing. I was talking with Mindchamber earlier and one comment I made to him was, "People have been given the opportunity to voice their comments as to how it shall work and very few people actually do that. But what you can guarantee is that when it's all released, every one and his mother is guaranteed to bitch about how it all works." :)

At 5/22/05 11:54 AM, Zendra wrote: And wouldn't it be a nice idea if being added in a collection would be something like winning an award? That it is displayed in the profile?

Link-backs will almost certainly be included from profiles to collections.

Woah! I was totaly thinking of a little box the brings up collection names too! Awsome! People would vote and if the percentage was high enough it would enter the collection automaticly.

At 5/22/05 01:38 PM, The_Kritic wrote: People would vote and if the percentage was high enough it would enter the collection automaticly.

I would think that there will always be some sort of administrative intervention with all of this, rather than entries automatically entering collections.

At 5/21/05 01:59 PM, liljim wrote: Things are really starting to come together with all of this, so if anyone has any further suggestions, now would be a good time to bring them to the table.

well final fantasy is not on the list and the finla fantasy collection i think is very popular

Wow. It's all looking pretty good. I don't really have anything to suggest to improve it. Any idea of a possible time-frame for implementation?

Jim stop being better than me at everything!

At 5/24/05 11:38 PM, PacoW wrote: stuff.

Why is that you always look to the negative in your posts? Do you not think we've already done that? Think of positive stuff, not negative. We have the negative stuff covered. :)

I think there should be a section on collections home page where you can suggest a new section... or suggest a sub-section etc.

that would cover flash that might not fit in to any existing section.

Also I think the submission voting should be VERY high to get into a section... well high compared to everyone elses suggestions... something like 100 votes. It's pretty high, but it would have the vote value system count for it, so if the 'vets' who know what their doing think it should be there, it'll have a good chance.

with a very high vote to get into suggestions it would be very unlikely for a flash to be misplaced... and if by a small chance something IS misplaced there could be a link saying "This flash incorrectly placed? Report it here."

with all this, the collection section wouldn't grow at break neck speeds, making it monstrously large, nor would there be much chance of things getting misplaced (and even less for them staying misplaced).

Also if an author has their own collection dedicated to a certain series or w/e, they would have the option to automatically put their movie into their collection.

Anything that seems workable or not-workable please tell me!