At 8/22/16 01:51 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 8/22/16 12:05 AM, ZJ wrote: That Universal title belt is ugly as Hell.

I think I'm the only person that kind of likes it. Red's my favorite color so maybe that's the bias, but to me it's another knockoff of the WWE World Heavyweight Title (which I don't recall hearing any bitching about) with a red border.

The whole weekend of shows was very good stuff to my mind. The only things that left me scratching my head is why Jericho is pinning Enzo, and why Apollo Crewes is losing clean to The Miz. I understand Jericho is still a big star, but I think his shine is definitely on the wane, and while Miz has definitely been great in his role lately and looks more motivated then he has in years, I don't understand why they're taking a blue chipper like Crewes who's really meant nothing since his call up and giving him such a big stage to get beat on.

I get why Jericho got the win. I think there's a lot of potential for Jeri-KO as a short run, and the inevitable breakup could lead to a face turn for KO. But for that to really work, they have to start out as a strong team. Enzo and Cass are SO over already the loss really won't hurt them in the long run at all (how many new teams can say that?).

I'm totally with you on the Crewes thing though. That whole match made no sense to begin with. Crewes needs a LOT more time to grow as a personality, while Miz is actually making a pretty good midcard heel champ. These two should not have met on a barely hyped PPV match at all. It doesn't help Crewes climb the ladder at all, and it really didn't help Miz much either because he didn't beat anyone who's really noteworthy to the average WWE audience.

It's a bad sign for how they are going to handle Crewes going forward. His only decent path, that I can see, is jobbing for a short period and letting the losses turn him heel. I see a lot of early Daniel Bryan in him. His in-ring ability is top-level, but he's just this goofy guy that smiles all the time and never comes off threatening. Let's not forget that the whole 'YES' chant was completely created by heel Bryan, and his work with Kane really gave him the stage to show his angry side.

Otherwise, the best he can hope for is perhaps being put in a great tag team. In that situation, he'd be more comparable to Kofi. New day is hot as hell, but if we are being honest, once they break up, Kofi (and probably Big E) likely goes back to pointless mid-card performer.

Finn Balor allegedly sustained an injury last night. He may need surgery.

Man, it's going to be really crummy if WWE's first Universal champion has to vacate the belt due to an injury right after he won it.

At 8/22/16 06:37 PM, ZJ wrote: Finn Balor allegedly sustained an injury last night. He may need surgery.

Man, it's going to be really crummy if WWE's first Universal champion has to vacate the belt due to an injury right after he won it.

Rollins sure does injure a lot of people...

At 8/22/16 07:48 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:

At 8/22/16 06:37 PM, ZJ wrote: Finn Balor allegedly sustained an injury last night. He may need surgery.

Man, it's going to be really crummy if WWE's first Universal champion has to vacate the belt due to an injury right after he won it.

Rollins sure does injure a lot of people...

Your first WWE Universal Champion has vacated the belt after having it for less than 24 hours.

Wow.

Holy shit, Noam Dar is coming to Raw.

I figured he'd just be around for the CWC. He's absolutely incredible, and he's only 23. Guy has an amazing career ahead of him.

At 8/22/16 10:23 PM, TheMaster wrote: Holy shit, Noam Dar is coming to Raw.

I figured he'd just be around for the CWC. He's absolutely incredible, and he's only 23. Guy has an amazing career ahead of him.

I keep hoping they sign someone relatively unknown to the wider audience, and have him skip NXT. Then they could recreate the 123 Kid vs Razor Ramone match with Braun Strowman during his run of squash matches. Just to have them pay off in some way other than hiding the fact Strowman can't put on a good, long match. That would be a hell of a way to debut a new cruiserweight.

At 8/23/16 04:49 PM, NekoMika wrote: Brock Lesnar was just suspended for failing UFC drug tests, not sure if this means is he also suspended from WWE for now as well.

Would explain how badly he busted Orton up, ROID RAGE CITY. The TKO is supposedly how the match was meant to end, but I highly doubt the 4 inch gash was part of the plan. Lesnar and Jericho almost got into a fight about it apparently.

https://m.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/4zaa0o/miz_and_daniel_bryan_get_into_a_legit_argument/

Dat promo tho

At 8/24/16 05:59 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: https://m.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/4zaa0o/miz_and_daniel_bryan_get_into_a_legit_argument/

Dat promo tho

Saw that today. My appreciation of Miz went up tremendously after viewing it. Say what you will about his skills in the ring, but he's TREMENDOUS at getting heel heat. He's definitely on the level of a Ted "Million Dollar Man" DiBiase.

At 8/24/16 06:12 PM, ZJ wrote:

At 8/24/16 05:59 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: https://m.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/4zaa0o/miz_and_daniel_bryan_get_into_a_legit_argument/

Dat promo tho

Saw that today. My appreciation of Miz went up tremendously after viewing it. Say what you will about his skills in the ring, but he's TREMENDOUS at getting heel heat. He's definitely on the level of a Ted "Million Dollar Man" DiBiase.

It's one of the few promos I've seen in a LONG time that you can't 100% tell if it was a worked shoot or legit shoot. Given how he went through Crewes though, and the fact him and Bryan have kinda been sparking a rivalry on Smack Talk, maybe they are working an angle where the 'soft WWE' guy is gonna roll through the reckless indies to make a point about that style of wrestling.

Does anyone think Seth Rollins is an unsafe worker? Cena, Sting, Balor; all three guys needed surgery after wrestling Seth, thoughts?

At 8/24/16 10:28 PM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: Does anyone think Seth Rollins is an unsafe worker? Cena, Sting, Balor; all three guys needed surgery after wrestling Seth, thoughts?

Honestly I think the whole indie style in general is unsafe, it's not just Rollins. He just happens to have the most marks against him at this point. But right now you have Balor out, Sasha Banks and Samoa Joe.

The problem is that style of wrestling used to be used for high spots, but got so popular performers are expected to wrestle at that level ALL THE TIME now or they look like shit. I think that may be the narrative Bryan and Miz are starting to stir up after that promo.

That said, they don't have to straight up ban that style, they just have to tailor it a bit more. You could ban the buckle/barracade bomb moves since it's impossible to do those consistently. Rollins throws guys of varying weight into hard edges, and once they are in the air it's like russian roulette to how they land exactly.

You could also ban any moves that involve flying into somebody's head at high speed with a solid knee or elbow. A flying knee can not be re-aimed once you leave the ground like a standing drop kick can, and there's a well of fast, high-impact moves that could replace those kinds of shots without ruining anyone's moveset completely. I'm actually surprised they haven't banned that stuff yet given how many other head-targeting moves are already banned.

Rollins has a huge moveset that he can almost always hit perfectly safe. Had the bomb and knee moves been banned, he would still be a top calibur draw in the ring, and he never would have shelved any of those other guys. At this point, even if WWE DOESN'T ban those moves, he should probably voluntarily stop using it. He didn't throw a fit giving up the curb stomp afterall.

I think we're going to see wrestling go through another evolution. The current indie style is already transitioning from violent hard hitting moves back into chain wrestling. Teams like American Alpha and (the aptly named) The Revival get HUGE pops with their back and fourth style. Baylee and Sasha's memorable match was all about counters and reversals, The CWC is a gold mine, and the crowd is eating that stuff up.

I don't think anyone will miss the dangerous moves if they did get banned, there's too much good stuff the current generation has to offer even without it.

At 8/24/16 10:28 PM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: Does anyone think Seth Rollins is an unsafe worker? Cena, Sting, Balor; all three guys needed surgery after wrestling Seth, thoughts?

Yes, Rollins has injured all three of them. If they ban some of his moves people will be upset with WWE.

I do not like the look or the name of the Universal title belt. Seriously, if you win it you are champion of the entire Universe?

At 8/26/16 01:02 PM, FastbootsZA wrote: According to some sources Originally the The Universal title match at summerslam was supposed to be Seth Rollins Vs. Roman Reigns but because of reigns suspension they took Roman reigns's spot and gave it to Finn Balor

They made the right decision. Reigns vs. Rollins , again, would of been boring. Nobody wanted to see Reigns with the Universal title.

Finn Balor's Original opponent for Summerslam was Chris Jericho

That would of been a great match. Chris Jericho is an amazing wrestler. I feel he should be used much more. He really needs a title soon.

Also Baron Corbin vs. Kalisto was supposed to take place at summerslam But there wasn't any room on the match card for it to happen.

They both seem average at best. No big loss.

At 8/23/16 12:58 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: I keep hoping they sign someone relatively unknown to the wider audience, and have him skip NXT. Then they could recreate the 123 Kid vs Razor Ramone match with Braun Strowman during his run of squash matches. Just to have them pay off in some way other than hiding the fact Strowman can't put on a good, long match. That would be a hell of a way to debut a new cruiserweight.

NO! The fuck? The pay off to this is that people think Strowman is a damn killer and people get legit afraid to watch him fight their favorites. That's the point and the pay off. Having him get beat by a Cruiser is about the stupidest thing they could do. It makes no logical sense and it's never long term worked to draw money. Waltman beating Hall was much different since the size difference wasn't so ludicrous as it would be if someone the size of say Kalisto beats Strowman.

The Miz thing feels like maybe this is about getting Bryan one more match. I think that it turned into a bit of a shoot when Bryan said those frankly shitty comments about Miz being "soft" and a coward. Those are criticisms Miz has dealt with his whole career and he clearly had enough of it coming from a guy like Bryan who frankly was reckless and isn't in the ring today because of the style he chose to work. When you've got other indy guys like Rollins doing stupid shit like power bombing people into things cause it looks cool and hurting them, it's well past time WWE took a stand and said no the fuck more of this crap. The business is about storytelling in matches and not flashy fucking high spots or making your shit half a shoot. I'm so disappointed in Bryan's attitude here, and in Rollins' sloppiness costing a truly deserving guy in Balor time in the ring and a main event spot out of the blocks on the biggest show for the company.

Haven't heard Brock is suspended, anybody got a link to WWE's official corporate site? They announce that stuff there.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3455857/enzo-amore-is-reason-wwe-deserves-to-fail-wrestling-legend-says/

If WWE is not treating Enzo Amore right, should he leave when his contract expires? Would he do better with TNA or another company?

http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/29/bill-goldberg-wwe-return/

Sources tell TMZ Sports pro wrestling legend Bill Goldberg is in talks with WWE honchos about a possible return to the squared circle.

Any chance they would bring back his streak?

At 8/29/16 11:53 PM, FastbootsZA wrote: So kevin owens wins the universal title with triple h's help
triple h turns on rollins be giving him a pedigree.

It is about time that RAW did something that the fans actually want. The fans hate Roman , and Rollings has had enough title runs. I am so happy that Owens won the Universal champion. The only thing better would be if Jericho won, even though he is on Owens team.

At 8/30/16 12:01 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote:

It is about time that RAW did something that the fans actually want. The fans hate Roman , and Rollings has had enough title runs. I am so happy that Owens won the Universal champion. The only thing better would be if Jericho won, even though he is on Owens team.

Jericho is well past his time of holding a main title.

At 8/30/16 12:01 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote:

At 8/29/16 11:53 PM, FastbootsZA wrote: So kevin owens wins the universal title with triple h's help
triple h turns on rollins be giving him a pedigree.

It is about time that RAW did something that the fans actually want. The fans hate Roman , and Rollings has had enough title runs. I am so happy that Owens won the Universal champion. The only thing better would be if Jericho won, even though he is on Owens team.

I'm all for Owens being the champ, but I think you missed what they really did here. Instead of turning Roman Heel, where it would actually help things, Rollins is getting a face turn.

I'm hoping this angle is purely that HHH wants revenge on Roman for being the reason he's not in power anymore, and Rollins for failing him. If he's acting in the capacity of a pissed off superstar and not an authority figure, it should be okay (it gives Seth a chance to play a new role and keeps Roman out of the title picture for a while). If they are bringing back the authority angle and sticking Owens in the lapdog role, that's going to suck.

I picture Owens feuding with a jealous Y2J right away and actually becoming more of an anti-hero babyface like Austin was. And he's probably the only guy on the roster that can walk that line. He's 100% over with the fans, ESPECIALLY when using heel mannerisms. The only thing he has to do to pop into that role is change up who he picks fights with. He's already set for a smooth and organic transition.

At 8/30/16 12:52 AM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: Jericho is well past his time of holding a main title.

That is not true. At the very least. Jericho could still be a tag team champ. That way, he would only have to work half as hard. Jericho has that special something, you know .... " IT".

At 8/30/16 11:08 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote:

That is not true. At the very least. Jericho could still be a tag team champ. That way, he would only have to work half as hard. Jericho has that special something, you know .... " IT".

There's no point to give him a title, even a tag title when the roster is abundant with talent. Jericho is 45 and wrestles part time, he doesn't have the star power The Rock has to give him a title from the Rumble to Mania, it doesn't work. His time of being a big player is over, now he's an enhancement talent that tries to elevate midcard talent to main card.

At 8/30/16 11:27 AM, Ganon-Dorf wrote:

At 8/30/16 11:08 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote:

That is not true. At the very least. Jericho could still be a tag team champ. That way, he would only have to work half as hard. Jericho has that special something, you know .... " IT".

There's no point to give him a title, even a tag title when the roster is abundant with talent. Jericho is 45 and wrestles part time, he doesn't have the star power The Rock has to give him a title from the Rumble to Mania, it doesn't work. His time of being a big player is over, now he's an enhancement talent that tries to elevate midcard talent to main card.

What better way to get new talent over then to drop a title to them? Jericho has a legitimate pedegree. I agree he should probably never be a long-term title holder, but I have no problem with him winning a belt if he's going to elevate a new talent with it. He still puts on better matches than half the locker room regardless of his age, and all these young guys need to be called 'stupid idiot' at least once!

At 8/30/16 11:37 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:

What better way to get new talent over then to drop a title to them? Jericho has a legitimate pedegree. I agree he should probably never be a long-term title holder, but I have no problem with him winning a belt if he's going to elevate a new talent with it. He still puts on better matches than half the locker room regardless of his age, and all these young guys need to be called 'stupid idiot' at least once!

That's a fair point, but to rebuke I'd like to say that his investment longevity has reached its waning point, he's not young, he can't get anymore over than he is, there are plenty of people on the roster that can do the same job and would benefit from it more than Jericho would.

That being said, the WWE has done a great job at breeding talent for the future, largely due to the success of NXT and the work Hunter has done with it.

Oh god please give me Owens vs Jericho.

Imagine the promos! They've both been on fire on the mic recently.

At 8/30/16 10:43 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: I'm all for Owens being the champ, but I think you missed what they really did here. Instead of turning Roman Heel, where it would actually help things, Rollins is getting a face turn.

What does turning Roman actually help? Other then giving the smart fans who are still booing him for no real good reason validation? This is getting to be like the "turn John Cena to prove me right and make things line up with my view" refrain. We don't know things like merch sales. It does seem like this'll turn Seth, that's true, which really isn't a half bad idea at this point since when he returned they were kind of positioning him as a face but then didn't pull the trigger.

I'm hoping this angle is purely that HHH wants revenge on Roman for being the reason he's not in power anymore, and Rollins for failing him. If he's acting in the capacity of a pissed off superstar and not an authority figure, it should be okay (it gives Seth a chance to play a new role and keeps Roman out of the title picture for a while). If they are bringing back the authority angle and sticking Owens in the lapdog role, that's going to suck.

Well, he's always going to be an authority figure so you can't just jettison that. The one thing I DON'T want to see under any circumstances here is this become some kind of issue between Trips and Steph about her taking power on RAW and forgetting all about him. That then puts Rollins and Owens in the role of proxies because the authority figures can't hit each other and that never ends well for the proxies.

I picture Owens feuding with a jealous Y2J right away and actually becoming more of an anti-hero babyface like Austin was.

Can't do that right out the blocks as I see it because what about the issues for Rollins and Roman? Do you really see them headlining the first RAW only show with another rehash of that for no belt? Seems to me he's either fighting one or both of them first, and the Jericho thing will simmer for a little while yet, as it should.

And he's probably the only guy on the roster that can walk that line. He's 100% over with the fans, ESPECIALLY when using heel mannerisms. The only thing he has to do to pop into that role is change up who he picks fights with. He's already set for a smooth and organic transition.

He can't turn face if he's jealous, that doesn't work. If you want him to turn face then Owens has to trash him verbally, say he used him, and then viciously and brutally beat the fuck out of him so Jericho can be the wronged man roaring back for revenge.

Turning Roman heel gives him a new platform to develop more character while soaking in the boos the fans give him. It gives him, as a performer, a break from the pressure that comes with being pushed as a top babyface. It gives him a new chance to get over organically and turn face at the right moment. Turning Cena heel would be fun, but makes little commercial sense. Roman could actually benefit from it, like a younger Cena, Daniel Bryan, Austin and Rock all did before him.

I'm betting his merch sales are still decent though or that sort of thing may have happened by now.

And I was referring to Owens going babyface in an antihero role, not Y2J. Jericho has to be a heel forever because anyone who disagrees is a stupid idiot, and they have "it" coming.

At 8/30/16 11:27 AM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: There's no point to give him a title, even a tag title when the roster is abundant with talent. Jericho is 45 and wrestles part time, he doesn't have the star power His time of being a big player is over, now he's an enhancement talent that tries to elevate midcard talent to main card.

Would you rather see Jericho's as Owen's manager? lol

At 8/30/16 08:17 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote:

Would you rather see Jericho's as Owen's manager? lol

I'd rather see Jericho doing what he's doing, prepping mid card talent for main card events.