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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-03 20:29:32


I heard that WWE plans on replacing Tiffany (her contract runs out soon), with Tommy Dreamer. I think Tiffany is not that great on the mic, and with somebody like Tommy, he could bring some interesting stuff to ECW.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-03 23:57:02


At 5/3/09 07:30 PM, idiot-buster wrote: The heart and soul of ECW, Tommy Dreamer, may have competed in his final match last night. If it is then he should have some position in WWE

Whoa, let's be clear here, cause this is how dumb rumors start. What Tommy may have completed Tuesday night was his LAST MSG MATCH!! NOT his last match period. Tommy has at least another month or so left on his contract from what I understand. He is NOT done as of yet, but that may the last time he works MSG.

In Dreamer's recent blog, he hinted that last night could have been his final - in front of a jam packed Madison Square Garden crowd. Dreamer promised he would retire if he was unable to capture the ECW title before his WWE contract expired.

Again, his final MSG match. Tommy has a little while to go, unless he signed that new deal.

Dreamer has been overlooked by man, although he was never considered a Ric Flair or Ricky Steamboat, Dreamer has always been a solid and consistent wrestler. The love he has for ECW, despite it turning in to a watered down version, is beyond what anyone would imagine. He lives and breathes the original ECW and the new ECW.

Everything Tommy has in his life, he has because of ECW. He met his wife in ECW, he has his children because of that meeting. ECW gave him the exposure to work for WWE, every oppurtunity Tommy has had in wrestling and because of wrestling in the last 10 years is a direct result of his working for ECW. Tommy is the heart and soul, but moreover he's a very solid worker who they could be getting more out of on a show that is obviously a means for developing their young talents, that is a guy that should be used more prominently, especially as beating him could be a means to really establish young heels as the crowd really loves him and feels a connection with him.

If this is indeed his final match, he will be the final ECW Original to put his heart and soul in to the WWE version of ECW. As a fan of ECW, it does take a little while to fathom that Tommy Dreamer's exit from ECW came without the title.

It's not ECW, and Tommy isn't leaving yet. Seriously, just because it has the letters, it stopped being in any way related to ECW when the December to Dismember went on the air and Paul Heyman was told very clearly to shut up he was just another employee. For me Big Show is the last real ECW champion. Some people will disagree I'm sure and say the relaunch wasn't good or true from the start, but I feel like up until that PPV, it was at least somewhat like ECW.

Where does Tommy go from here? I hope he is offered a job with WWE, whether it be as an agent or in some other fashion. He has put everything in to the WWE and never made any real complaints. It has been said that he would be given a position in WWE if he signs another contract with them.

I know the GM thing has been bandied about, which I do believe he could do, but come on, how much has an ECW GM really done? It's not a show that lends itself to that sort of character since it's pretty much 40 something minutes of action. That spot hasn't mattered since Heyman, so again while I think Tommy can do it, and I'd never begrudge him cashing a check to not take bumps (lord knows the man earned it), but again it just seems like here's a guy that has talents beyond something like that that could be better used. He still has some gas in the tank in the ring, and a desire to be doing that still, he did pretty damn well in talent relations and they looked at him as I recall as somebody who could totally and completely manage the developmental system (and that was back when there were two territories, not one). This is a guy that frankly I think the WORST use of him is giving him a non-wrestling role that really won't matter or see him getting a lot of air time anyway.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-04 09:10:27


At 5/3/09 11:57 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: It's not ECW, and Tommy isn't leaving yet. Seriously, just because it has the letters, it stopped being in any way related to ECW when the December to Dismember went on the air and Paul Heyman was told very clearly to shut up he was just another employee. For me Big Show is the last real ECW champion. Some people will disagree I'm sure and say the relaunch wasn't good or true from the start, but I feel like up until that PPV, it was at least somewhat like ECW.

it was losing the ECW feel then, but when it really died for me was the halloween special, and dreamer himself dressed as heyman, and styles and tazz were forced to pretend that they had no idea who he was dressed as.. i remember not watching ECW for close to a year after that..

I know the GM thing has been bandied about, which I do believe he could do, but come on, how much has an ECW GM really done? It's not a show that lends itself to that sort of character since it's pretty much 40 something minutes of action. That spot hasn't mattered since Heyman, so again while I think Tommy can do it, and I'd never begrudge him cashing a check to not take bumps (lord knows the man earned it), but again it just seems like here's a guy that has talents beyond something like that that could be better used. He still has some gas in the tank in the ring, and a desire to be doing that still, he did pretty damn well in talent relations and they looked at him as I recall as somebody who could totally and completely manage the developmental system (and that was back when there were two territories, not one). This is a guy that frankly I think the WORST use of him is giving him a non-wrestling role that really won't matter or see him getting a lot of air time anyway.

Sure Dreamer would probably never work in the ring again after this but still, having him as a GM, its a plus. In the end of the day, it's still an on-air role so people would still get to see him, he also seems to fit the role very well compared to others. Also i've always like the wrestler/former wrestler as GM, Stone Cold, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, William Regal just to name a few have all stood out as GMs when they were given the role.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-04 16:39:17


Guss what guys i'm going to a live monday night raw tonight out of Buffal Ny. I'm so excited for this, because this is my first show that i'm going to that is televised.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-05 00:26:43


I missed most ofRaw but I just got finished reading the results. So it looks like Shane will be out of the picture for a while. That is a fine way of getting him out of the storyline so the actual wrestlers will get the attention. I'm also guessing that Regal will be gunning for the U.S. Title. Not a bad fued there since both he and MVP are great workers.

Well my work schedual changed so that I'll be working Tuesday nights. Guess I won't be seeing ECW for a long time now. I'll have to make an effort to keep up with it and watch some of the results at the web site.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-05 15:16:52


At 5/5/09 12:26 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I missed most ofRaw but I just got finished reading the results. So it looks like Shane will be out of the picture for a while. That is a fine way of getting him out of the storyline so the actual wrestlers will get the attention.

Agreed, it's well past time to get the Mc's out of this thing again and go back to focusing on the boys.

I'm also guessing that Regal will be gunning for the U.S. Title. Not a bad fued there since both he and MVP are great workers.

They are, but this is CM Punk all over again. MVP is now going from being a peripheral guy in the top storyline to being in a meaningless feud with William Regal for a secondary belt. Just like Punk went from World Champ last year to being in a pretty meaningless feud with Regal for a secondary belt!!! WWE has got to stop elevating guys, then knocking them down, then elevating, then knocking down. This does not help people be seen as stars.

Well my work schedual changed so that I'll be working Tuesday nights. Guess I won't be seeing ECW for a long time now. I'll have to make an effort to keep up with it and watch some of the results at the web site.

You don't have a working VCR? Cause I mean, if you get the channel, why not just tape the show? Or is this one of those "well, it's good if I'm HOME..but if not? Eh..."


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-05 22:19:17


Meh, ECW was meh, lol. I am hopping for a MVP/RKO feud for WWE title to elevate MVP to main event status, but first he should lose the title to Regal (one of the most underrated people in WWE, and one of the best mat wrestlers) first, then go after RKO.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-05 23:40:31


all i saw from ECW was Zach Ryder talking to Tiffany, apparently he's got a match with Finlay on Superstars
i do like that they're really trying to give everyone in the supplemental draft some TV time, even if some of them do job

also it appears that Ryders got a new look, for those of you who havent seen it, just think of a flamboyantly gay version of Kenny Dykstra..


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-06 00:00:49


At 5/5/09 03:16 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: You don't have a working VCR? Cause I mean, if you get the channel, why not just tape the show? Or is this one of those "well, it's good if I'm HOME..but if not? Eh..."

Actually no. I don't have a working VCR nor do I have a DVD player that will also record a show. In fact my DVD player is my PS2. So I really don't have a way of recording the show. Otherwise I would.

So Christian moved right along to Henry in a big hurry. At least Swagger and Dreamer are still in the picture.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-06 00:58:51


At 5/6/09 12:00 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Actually no. I don't have a working VCR nor do I have a DVD player that will also record a show. In fact my DVD player is my PS2. So I really don't have a way of recording the show. Otherwise I would.

you should just watch it on youtube then, you'll find it somewhere on that site


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-07 11:35:27


I agree that WWE should be more consistant with who they push and how they do it. The situation with MVP is exactly like Punk's not that long ago. I didn't realize it until Avie pointed it out, but damn. Same person wanting the mid level belt. At least we'll get some decent matches out of it.

How long do you think it will be before Jessie gets released? I doubt they will give him the time of day without Festus around.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-07 12:18:22


At 5/7/09 11:35 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: How long do you think it will be before Jessie gets released? I doubt they will give him the time of day without Festus around.

I never really liked either of them, aside from there awsome theme song, biscuits and gravy :)
Apparently one of them has a relative in the writting team though so that might play to there advantage.

Also Jericho/Morrison has been announced for tonights edition of Superstars. I don't normally watch ECW or Superstars unless something catches my eye. This certainly did, should be an excellent match.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-07 21:23:24


So as you all know i attended Monday Night Raw at HSBC Arena tonight, and thought it was a pretty good show. What I found funny was that Legacy had to redo their entrance for TV haha. Something went wrong and they had to do it again. Randy, believe it or not, got more pops than jeers.

Speaking of jeers, you think the heat is bad on Vickie when you watch on TV? It is 10 times worse than you think live. It is hilarious. You could not hear a word she was saying.

The dark match was ok too. Batista wanted to take on Legacy 3 on 1. But, he then says he had a partner, so none other than John Cena comes out, fully healed from his altercations with the Big Show in recent weeks, and performs for the fans. It was a great show, I do not want to spoil anything for those of you who did not see it.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-08 00:59:16


At 5/7/09 12:18 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: I never really liked either of them, aside from there awsome theme song, biscuits and gravy :)
Apparently one of them has a relative in the writting team though so that might play to there advantage.

What it is actually is Jesse is the son of Terry Gordy. Gordy was Michael Hayes's tag partner in The Fabulous Freebirds, and Hayes is the head writer on SD!. But in the end if Vince wants the guy gone, he'll be gone, I think it's too early to say whether or not he'll be released yet, we've basically only had "week 1" of our new post-draft rosters.

Also Jericho/Morrison has been announced for tonights edition of Superstars. I don't normally watch ECW or Superstars unless something catches my eye. This certainly did, should be an excellent match.

If they're given time absolutely.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-08 11:46:38


You know, Superstars is quietly becoming a damn good show. Once again, we got a show with some solid wrestling, and a segment that helped push one of the title matches at JD.

The Cutting Edge did a great job of promoting the Edge-Hardy title match, and it made for a nice trip down memory lane as Edge talked about his history with Jeff. Segment ended after Jeff hit a Twist of Fate and a Swanton on Edge.

Santina-Kelly vs Beth-Rosa was much better than it had any right to be. Kelly seems to be improving, and although he has to dress in drag to do it, Santino finally finds himself/herself with a short winning streak. My only problem with the match is that I believe Rosa got pinned, despite the fact that Beth was the legal woman.

Zack Ryder vs Finlay was just puzzling, to be honest. It was a decent match, but why give Ryder a new gimmick, if you're going to job him out in his first match?

Morrison vs Jericho was very good, but not great. Surprisingly, it was Morrison who was in control throughout the majority of the match. Morrison came close to getting the win after hitting Starship Pain (Split-Legged Corkscrew Moonsault) but Jericho managed to get his foot on the ropes. Finish came when Shelton Benjamin's music interrupted the match (With a tron appearance by Shelton), which distract Morrison and allowed Jericho to hit the Codebreaker for the win.

All in all, another solid show for Superstars.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-08 12:19:37


I saw this in one of Matt Hardy's blogs, and it made me chuckle a bit.

The column I will occasionally read when I check out reviews (because the gentleman who writes it "gets it", and speaks about the talent and business with respect and dignity) is the "Looking at a "so and so" edition of whatever TV show he's reviewing." That column is the most accurate and most consistent of any of the "major" sites. It blows most of the other "attempted" reviews away. I have no knowledge of the gentleman's background who writes this column-but I appreciate the fact he has a good grasp on what the WWE does, what pro wrestling is REALLY about, and is respectful of what we do as humans and athletes.

That of course, would be a column on PWinsider. Proving that Avie is right when he talks about how good of a site it is.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-08 20:43:49


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-10 11:07:56


SD was pretty good the other night. They are doing a good job in making Punk seem like a true contender to Edge with him getting the two times in a row. His fued with Umaga will hold him over until WWE is ready for him to cash in the briefcase.

Jeff vs. Jericho was really great too. I'm guessing Jericho might fued with Rey which would provide some really great matches as well.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-11 02:38:11


I really wish we had single brand PPVs still, because I'd totally buy SD! offerings, it's a shame that WWE always seems to give RAW more time on the PPV's while SD! has more depth to the roster at present and producing good, simple to understand feuds.

Hardy/Edge: Edge wants to keep his belt, Hardy wants to win it. Throw in these are two guys who have clawed their way up and been rivals for years and this could be their final chapter.

Punk/Umaga: Umaga has screwed with Punk unprovoked twice now. Punk wants to end it.

Rey/Jericho: Jericho threw that chair at Rey, and Jericho doesn't respect him. Rey wants to shut up Jericho's loud mouth and now firmly has his attention to do so.

Shelton/Morrison: Two guys costing each other matches and wanting to settle the score.

See how easy storytelling can be WWE? You don't need fifty million twists, or these over the top home invasions, trying to destroy whole families, blah blah. Just find simple reasons for 2 guys to hate each other and the wrestling ring is the mechanism whereby the issue is settled. It's so freaking simple and pure and that is the core for wrestling's success. WWE needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just do what they do best.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-11 10:27:38


Yeah sometimes the best fueds are the simple ones. I like what's going on on SD right now as these are rivalries that are competitive and interesting. Compared to Raw it seems much easier to follow. I don't know why WWE feels they need to complicate their storylines, but I can understand their desire to spice things up now and then.

Apparently Mr. Kennedy is back doing some house shows so it shouldn't be too long before he makes an apperance on Raw.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-12 01:29:26


it's nice to see The Brian Kendrick get a win on raw, and against a worthy opponent that is carlito. I'm actually interested in who "THE partner" would be.. i hope it isn't some jobber like chavo or jamie noble..


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-12 12:58:51


At 5/12/09 01:29 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: it's nice to see The Brian Kendrick get a win on raw, and against a worthy opponent that is carlito. I'm actually interested in who "THE partner" would be.. i hope it isn't some jobber like chavo or jamie noble..

Yeah I was glad to see Kendrick get a win too, and it will be good to see Carlito and Primo with some competition in the tag team ranks.

I'm also happy that they didn't totally job Miz to Cena. He got some decent offense in and due to the stipulations of the match he didn't have to be pinned. Now I obviously don't think he will pin Cena anytime soon, but making him look like a legit threat is good booking for once.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-12 15:57:29


At 5/12/09 01:29 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: it's nice to see The Brian Kendrick get a win on raw, and against a worthy opponent that is carlito. I'm actually interested in who "THE partner" would be.. i hope it isn't some jobber like chavo or jamie noble..

At least they remembered Carlito has a partner and all, but again my problem here is that it doesn't so much seem like the tag champs are in a feud, but that Carlito is in a feud and because he has a tag title Primo and whoever Kendricks partner will be are along for the ride. It really sucks what's been done to the tag division, but at least on SD! you could get some good matches out of it, if not have it really be super duper hard pushed.

If you watched RAW last night, you deserve a medal, reading a report and then listening to the post game, this episode just sounded like utter garbage from start to finish. Don't they have a PPV on Sunday they wanted to promote? Also, Vince said that there's a bunch of young talent ready to break out in his conference call, I guess none of that is on RAW right?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-12 23:57:35


its good to finally see DH Smith come back after just over a year absence
it seems he's also stopped abbreviating his name and is now going under the name 'David Hart Smith'

its also good to see that theres a new Hart Foundation in town


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-14 10:15:42


Maybe they could eventually challenge for the tag titles. The thing about the undisputed title thing is that they are allowed to be on any show which should be a handy tool to give the champions exposure, but so farthey have only been seen on Raw and barely at that. WWE needs to utalize this fact to push whoever they have as champs.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-14 10:48:32


At 5/14/09 10:15 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Maybe they could eventually challenge for the tag titles. The thing about the undisputed title thing is that they are allowed to be on any show which should be a handy tool to give the champions exposure, but so farthey have only been seen on Raw and barely at that. WWE needs to utalize this fact to push whoever they have as champs.

i really hope wwe made that decision because of what you said
if they make the champs start to challenge teams for one set of the tag titles, its gonna piss me off


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-15 00:12:42


At 5/14/09 10:48 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: i really hope wwe made that decision because of what you said
if they make the champs start to challenge teams for one set of the tag titles, its gonna piss me off

From what I hear it is a situation where like the Undisputed Title back in the beginning of the brand split, the undisputed tag champs work any show, but once they lose those titles, they become exclusive to the show they were drafted to. So once The Colons drop the belts, they become exclusive to RAW again. I do think there is tremendous opportunity having these belts focused on a bit more they can be a great tool for getting some young talent quick exposure (hey, if they aren't going to really push teams as money drawers, they should look at them more like Miz and Morrison then, a vehicle to get two guys to improve and eventually split to become great singles talents). I like the idea of eventually flipping those belts to this new Hart Foundation.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-16 09:21:54


Smackdown was it's usual brand of excellence last night. The opening tag match in paticular was fantastic and the ending had an old-school feel about it. Take some notes Raw.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-16 11:22:32


At 5/16/09 09:21 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Smackdown was it's usual brand of excellence last night. The opening tag match in paticular was fantastic and the ending had an old-school feel about it. Take some notes Raw.

Yeah SD was really great last night. The opening match was many shades of awesome and I really enjoyed the work of both Edge and Jericho in the main event. It was also good to see R-Truth get a victory as I think he can be a strong player on SD if given the chance. Yeah his enterance is a tad annoying but it pumps up the crowd, which is exactly what its supposed to do.

I really thought CM Punk was going to cash in his briefcase, but he got stopped again. I think he and Umaga are going to have a kickass match on Sunday.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2009-05-16 13:07:38


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