At 1/17/09 06:11 AM, Shoopufzilla wrote: If you wanna go there then I'll stand up and say Stephanie McMahon. But that's a given considering she's the boss's daughter. But she was an active wrestler during the Attitude Era and was even Women's Champion.

haha oh yeh, i can't believe i never thought of that

It's a shame that they had Victoria lose her last match. I wonder why she is retiring now? Maybe she is just burnt out and wants to heal. She's had that leg brace for a long time.

Finally MVP got a win. Yeah it was with the help of HHH but a win is a win.

What happened to Jeff Hardy was messed up. I know its part of the story and all but I'd feel unsafe dealing with those pyrotechnics. My guess is that Hardy will be able to retain despite all that has happened to him to highlight how he can work through the situation. Either that or Christian makes a return. Or perhaps another "accident" happens during the PPV which puts Jeff out of commision.

At 1/17/09 09:41 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: It's a shame that they had Victoria lose her last match. I wonder why she is retiring now? Maybe she is just burnt out and wants to heal. She's had that leg brace for a long time.

The tradition is that you don't win your last, you go out on your back to put the new talent over. It shows a lack of ego and that you're putting the business ahead of yourself by not getting a win off somebody that they can never take back. It sounds like she just got tired of being a star maker and being around only to get the Diva search era girls over with no real reward for herself. She's got some projects outside wrestling, so she doesn't need it and she's accomplished all she can so I don't blame her for getting out. Good luck to her and I'll always appreciate the matches she put on and what she did for women's wrestling.

What happened to Jeff Hardy was messed up. I know its part of the story and all but I'd feel unsafe dealing with those pyrotechnics. My guess is that Hardy will be able to retain despite all that has happened to him to highlight how he can work through the situation. Either that or Christian makes a return. Or perhaps another "accident" happens during the PPV which puts Jeff out of commision.

I still think the best story is Christian shows up to screw Jeff out of the belt and they reveal that all the "accidents" were Christian trying to make sure Hardy was good and softened up for Edge. I think Jeff has way more guts then me here too, because if they came to me with that stunt I think I would have just been like "oh hell no!"

At 1/18/09 12:38 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: I think Jeff has way more guts then me here too, because if they came to me with that stunt I think I would have just been like "oh hell no!"

I saw the replay and when the first one hit him near the face I expected the rest to go off and pretty much miss him while Jeff recovers slightly, falls to the ground and then help arrives. I was shocked when they slowed it right down and you coulld see he was pretty much pelted with pyro from all angles. Credit to him though for going through with it. Always been a big hardy fan and it's nice to see he's hopefully given up the drugs and whatnot and is dedicated to WWE and being involved in some high profile angles and fueds.

Like Avie said, Jeff's got guts for going through with that stunt.

I know most of you don't care about it, but I wonder who else will be inducted to the hall of fame this year?

Tomorrow on Raw we'll be seeing a no DQ IC title match between Regal and Punk. I hope we get the match we have been waiting for.

At 1/18/09 10:17 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Like Avie said, Jeff's got guts for going through with that stunt.

Indeed, that was just nuts >> Not the worste I've seen a wrestler do of cours ebut yeah.

I know most of you don't care about it, but I wonder who else will be inducted to the hall of fame this year?

I care, just hope it's someone good. Or someone I like anyway, can't really say they've added anyone who wasn't good.

At 1/18/09 10:17 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I know most of you don't care about it, but I wonder who else will be inducted to the hall of fame this year?

I'm hoping that both Terry and Dory Funk are inducted (Its in Texas, might as well do it now), as well as Ricky Steamboat and Ted Dibiase (Have Ted Jr. induct him, and it gives The Legacy more reason to brag). I want to see Savage go into the HoF, but I just don't see it happening... EVER!

Tomorrow on Raw we'll be seeing a no DQ IC title match between Regal and Punk. I hope we get the match we have been waiting for.

Don't really have anything to add to this. Just wanted to quote it.

I wish they would induct Owen Hart. They already inducted Bret so why not Owen?

I wonder when Evan Bourne will return? Seems like he's been out for a while.

With Vince returining tonight things are sure to get interesting. Not sure what he's going to do though, maybe he'll agree with what his daughter has done thus far, or maybe he'll reinstate Jericho. Or he could do that but side with Steph and mess with him. It's tough to predict what's going to happen with this situation.

At 1/19/09 08:40 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I wish they would induct Owen Hart. They already inducted Bret so why not Owen?

Because Martha is dead set against it and they've respected her wishes. Same reason you've never gotten an Owen DVD. Martha blames the WWE and the business for taking her husband from her and her children (and rightly so) so she does not want his memory being used to make the Mcmahons any money.

Also I have heard The Funks WILL be inducted this year, I hope that makes the TV special, if it doesn't I guess I'll be needing to buy the Mania DVD this year.

I wonder when Evan Bourne will return? Seems like he's been out for a while.

I think it could be just before or just after Mania if I remember correctly.

With Vince returining tonight things are sure to get interesting. Not sure what he's going to do though, maybe he'll agree with what his daughter has done thus far, or maybe he'll reinstate Jericho. Or he could do that but side with Steph and mess with him. It's tough to predict what's going to happen with this situation.

It does look like we'll have some follow up to him being taken out. I do hope this is the start of a storyline for somebody in need of one, actually, I think they could do something where Vince hires Jericho back to get revenge on Steph because she tried to take him out. The problem with that of course is Jericho would have to turn face and that would really hurt the heel character we've been enjoying (if not kill it). Honestly I hope it does lead to more interesting television, but in this day and age, a McMahon on my TV does not guarantee great television is on the way to this wrestling fan.

PWInsider.com is reporting that following his Intercontinental Title win last night on Raw, CM Punk is now the fastest Triple Crown winner in WWE history, having won the World Heavyweight Title, the IC Title and the Tag Team Titles in 203 days. His first title win came on June 30, 2008 when he won the World Heavyweight Championship on Raw, then went on to win tag gold and finally the IC Title last night. Trailing behind him in second place is Kevin Nash, who won the Triple Crown in 227 days.

Vince seems to have no luck. Orton is going to be in a lot of trouble now.

At 1/20/09 09:09 AM, Outlaw88 wrote:
Vince seems to have no luck. Orton is going to be in a lot of trouble now.

I liked what they did with that angle, mostly because it means Vince will be off TV for a little longer. I'm wondering where this is going to go. My guess is that Stephanie will put a "hit" on Orton during the Rumble and offer a raise to anyone who can eliminate him, so if he does win, it will be even more intense. I'm not saying he will win, but I think he is more than likely to.

Good for Punk, I wish I got tickets to the show. I think Judgement Day is going to be in Chicago, so I might try and go to that.

At 1/20/09 03:06 PM, boloneyman wrote: I liked what they did with that angle, mostly because it means Vince will be off TV for a little longer. I'm wondering where this is going to go. My guess is that Stephanie will put a "hit" on Orton during the Rumble and offer a raise to anyone who can eliminate him, so if he does win, it will be even more intense. I'm not saying he will win, but I think he is more than likely to.

I'm not looking forward to this. Because now the McMahons are firmly faces it seems and when they're faces they tend to be overbearing and emasculate the heels and don't let them get any real heat (they sure as shit made Jericho look foolish), which is gonna hurt the show. We'll see, but unless this is somehow Steph joining Legacy (as some have suggested). this to me is just not gonna be fun times.

Good for Punk, I wish I got tickets to the show. I think Judgement Day is going to be in Chicago, so I might try and go to that.

For that night, they did a great job making the match and the change seem important in my mind. After two false starts, we got some good action here. Now let's see if this push on the belt and it's new champion continues, or if we've reached the high point and it's all down hill from here

I hope they push Punk with the IC title as well. I'm sure he could have a good run as long as they have him booked strongly by being a fighting champion with decent opponents.

Speaking of being booked strong I really hope that we are now past MVP's losing streak.

At 1/21/09 08:41 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I hope they push Punk with the IC title as well. I'm sure he could have a good run as long as they have him booked strongly by being a fighting champion with decent opponents.

Speaking of being booked strong I really hope that we are now past MVP's losing streak.

WWE really needs to bring back prestige to their title belts. I remember the days when the Intercontinental Belt meant something, and this was before the Attitude Era. We also need more focus on the tag divisions.

At 1/20/09 07:15 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I'm not looking forward to this. Because now the McMahons are firmly faces it seems and when they're faces they tend to be overbearing and emasculate the heels and don't let them get any real heat (they sure as shit made Jericho look foolish), which is gonna hurt the show. We'll see, but unless this is somehow Steph joining Legacy (as some have suggested). this to me is just not gonna be fun times.

I expect the face thing to happen more than joining legacy. Could be wrong, and not sure I look forward to ether.
Just if she was going to join legacy I don't see the need for all the fake tears at the end of raw. It may be a fake out... but I just don't see the point of it. McMahon was out cold anyway, if she was going to go legacy it would have made more sense if she showed that at the end of this weeks show rather than it showing up next week or even further on.
But thats just my opinion, and well knowing WWE I wouldn't be overly suprised if she did join legacy next week.

Though I really enjoyed the Jericho part. I'm probebly a minority in this but I never liked Jericho much, no matter what side he's playing.

At 1/21/09 11:27 AM, Ghaleonx5z wrote: I'm probebly a minority in this but I never liked Jericho much, no matter what side he's playing.

O_O

At 1/21/09 11:27 AM, Ghaleonx5z wrote: Though I really enjoyed the Jericho part. I'm probebly a minority in this but I never liked Jericho much, no matter what side he's playing.

You're not totally alone - I've always been a big Jericho fan, and I still find myself cheering him on, even with his heel turn. Unlike Vickie or some others, though, he doesn't get natural heat from the crowd, but luckily, the guy's damn good at making you hate him.

Also, I enjoyed how they seemed to be going on improv with the "ON YOUR KNEES" chants... he and Steph actually seemed to be getting a pretty good kick out of it, lol.

I'm looking forward to seeing if MVP's losing streak is finally at an end. I hope they give him a push to make up for the crappy time he was being put through. It would be great to see him in the MITB match this year.

I also hope they push CM Punk as IC champion. They should book him as a fighting champion who takes on all commers to legitimize both the IC belt and himself. It really is a shame that he fell from the ME level but I think he could get back to the top again with a good run with the IC belt.

I could see Orton and Steph teaming up in a power move to take over Raw. She has done something like that in the past but it was during the horrible InVasion storyline. She does better as a heel so this could be a good move for her character. She and Orton could then focus on Cena and go after the title and could do so by rigging the Rumble or just her giving favors to him and his team.

Speaking of Orton there is an article that features and interview he did not long ago. It features some highlights but has a link to the actual audio interview if you want to check that out here.

I'm looking forward to see who ends up winning the rumble and will get to go to WM. There are some strong choices this year such as HHH, Orton, Big Show, and others. They could even give us a big suprise by having someone we would never guess win the thing like Matt Hardy, R-Truth, or Morrison. Thats why I like the Rumble so much, yeah we all expect one of the top guys to win it and they usually do, but sometimes the person you don't expect comes out on top.

At 1/22/09 08:22 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: yeah we all expect one of the top guys to win it and they usually do

*always do.

At 1/21/09 07:32 PM, Twilight95 wrote: It's easy to predict how this will all unravel if you've watched Steph's actions previously. I flashed back to when she slapped Shane (most recent) for calling her out on her affairs with WWE Superstars. After getting the little scare from when Jericho first announced McMahon was coming back, Steph devised a plan to keep her power, seeing as this is "her" show. So power hungry, willing to sacrifice her father to stay in power. I really, really think that Jericho knew what was going on, and instead of pleading his case was going to reveal the truth. But his plan was foiled when McMahon brought out his daughter, which not only resulted in a humiliating defeat as he was forced to apologize for the truth but he also ended up giving the WWE Universe an apology that they clearly did not deserve. Well, some of them.

That's a really good angle I'd be interested to watch. I'm not sure creative is smart enough to go that route though, but it would be great towards Jericho getting his heel heat back, but at this point it might be better for his headline prospects to turn face and be a key guy feuding with Legacy (who would now easily become the top heels with a Mcalliance).

At 1/22/09 08:22 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I'm looking forward to see who ends up winning the rumble and will get to go to WM. There are some strong choices this year such as HHH, Orton, Big Show, and others. They could even give us a big suprise by having someone we would never guess win the thing like Matt Hardy, R-Truth, or Morrison. Thats why I like the Rumble so much, yeah we all expect one of the top guys to win it and they usually do, but sometimes the person you don't expect comes out on top.

The Brian Kendrick for Royal Rumble 2009 winner! Or like someone mentioned earlier, Kane really is deserving of a good push and usually dominates the Rumble. What better way to solidify is dominance by actually having him win it?

At 1/23/09 04:04 AM, Shoopufzilla wrote: The Brian Kendrick for Royal Rumble 2009 winner! Or like someone mentioned earlier, Kane really is deserving of a good push and usually dominates the Rumble. What better way to solidify is dominance by actually having him win it?

Unless we're going to go with the Rumble winner being able to call in his title shot early again, then you HAVE to have a headliner win because you're talking about setting up a title match for the biggest show of the year. Now is not the time to experiment with putting mid-carders or guys that haven't been booked as super-duper important into winning that match. But I don't have any problem with making either of those two look good throughout the bout before getting tossed.

I would argue that Rey Mysterio was a guy who I did not see winning the Rumble when he did as he was a top mid-card guy at the time. So seeing him beat HHH at the end of that match as well as being the guy who has lasted the longest amount of time in the match itself says that sometimes WWE is willing to give someone new a chance. Sure it was during the time when Eddie passed away and it was more of a gift win and title run, but if that was truly the case they should have pushed Chavo too. Instead they buried him and made him what he is now. A guy who can't win a match and is a "gofer" for Viki and Edge. So it is possible to get a suprise winner but unlikely.

I too would be fine with some of the mid-card guys be booked strongly in the match Kendrick, Kane, R-Truth and MVP could all be made to look good before they get eliminated. I'm not even sure if MVP is in the match. You can see who is confirmed to be in the match by going here.

At 1/23/09 03:47 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I would argue that Rey Mysterio was a guy who I did not see winning the Rumble when he did as he was a top mid-card guy at the time. So seeing him beat HHH at the end of that match as well as being the guy who has lasted the longest amount of time in the match itself says that sometimes WWE is willing to give someone new a chance. Sure it was during the time when Eddie passed away and it was more of a gift win and title run, but if that was truly the case they should have pushed Chavo too. Instead they buried him and made him what he is now. A guy who can't win a match and is a "gofer" for Viki and Edge. So it is possible to get a suprise winner but unlikely.

Rey won because Eddie died and they hoped to continue exploiting Eddie's memory through Rey. The End. That's solely the reason he won, there's nothing like that on any of the lower tier guys this year, so I don't see it happening. The smart money is on Orton, all indicators seem to be on Orton. So the surprise here would be if Orton got eliminated and some other top RAW guy (like Jericho) got the win, or a top SD! guy got the win.

I too would be fine with some of the mid-card guys be booked strongly in the match Kendrick, Kane, R-Truth and MVP could all be made to look good before they get eliminated. I'm not even sure if MVP is in the match. You can see who is confirmed to be in the match by going here.

That's my point, if you pick one or two mid-card guys to toss a big name or two, or start early and hang around till late, then they've gotten a little elevation you can build on. The Mania title match stip guarantees that only a handful of guys can truly win this, but the high profile nature of the match allows you to have one or two lower tier guys that can be built and given a "wow, he was close but no cigar" situation that you can use to help you establish momentum. I think a B or A level show at a different time of the year, or putting the guy in a different position (MITB at Mania leaps to mind) on the card is when you can give a guy a big win to elevate him.

Great predictions as always. This time around I agree with all of them. Of course now that we have said all things point to an Orton victory means that it might not happen since WWE likes to throw swerves at us.

Kane will probably have a good showing as he usually does in the Rumble. With guys like Henry, Big Show, Khali, and Taker in there as well there is going to have to be some team work to eliminate them. Having Shelton eliminate Taker is a good call and I can see HHH eliminating Big Show.

I have a feeling HHH will last for a good long time but in terms of storyline I think he could be eliminated by Kozlov. That and I think the title match for Mania should still involve Edge and Jeff Hardy.

I'll throw in an idea which I think could happen but it really wouldn't make a difference if it did or not. After Morrison pinned Miz on ECW, I can see Miz getting even by throwing Morrison over. I would only be fine with this is is they get a strong showing in the match, and it doesn't effect the tag team at all. Seeing how they won on SD, it really shouldn't.

My pick to win the Royal Rumble is perhaps a long shot, but him winning is entirely possible based on his character. I'm talking about... EDGE!!!

That's right! Edge loses to Jeff Hardy, is put in the Royal Rumble by Vickie Guerrero (And manages to draw a pretty good number), and once again, Edge sneaks out a win and wins his first Royal Rumble.

My other two choices would be Orton or Jericho.

Has anyone seen the threads on here: http://www.wrestlingclique.com
pretty decent wrasslin board.

At 1/24/09 05:22 PM, pepeatumi wrote: That's right! Edge loses to Jeff Hardy, is put in the Royal Rumble by Vickie Guerrero (And manages to draw a pretty good number), and once again, Edge sneaks out a win and wins his first Royal Rumble.

It's an interesting scenario that I don't think anyone would see coming, and I would have to assume WWE has intentionally not named all the participants so they can have a few surprises. I still feel the best thing for WWE to do here is screw Hardy out of the belt and build to him clawing his way into a Mania return shot at the devious Edge, and beating him for it to get a nice run with it. I seem to be in the minority with that but I don't think a short reign here to get a longer reign in another month or so hurts Jeff one tiny bit and will only enhance his situation at Mania actually and I think the rivalry and the story is much better if it's the face Hardy trying to take down the heel Edge. Unless they have something really super awesome better in mind, this is what I think they should do with SD! right now.

My other two choices would be Orton or Jericho.