At 12/23/08 01:14 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: HBK is in an interesting position. I wonder if this is pointing to JBL winning the fatal four way. Because HBK could eliminate Jericho and Orton and lay down for JBL.

I think that's probably the way they'll go, it's basically the way I'd go since at this time of year I'd save something like a Cena/Orton bout for Mania, or at least hold off in case that's where I want to go. The Rumble will draw based off the Rumble match, and the champ I have on SD!, so I can easily use the RAW WHC match to further the JBL-Michaels angle.

But does anyone really want to see another Cena vs JBL match? We've gotten plenty of those over the past couple of years, and they've all been pretty bad.

At 12/24/08 10:12 AM, pepeatumi wrote: But does anyone really want to see another Cena vs JBL match? We've gotten plenty of those over the past couple of years, and they've all been pretty bad.

No not really. Those matches have been bad in the past but I think WWE will want to hold off on Orton/Cena for a little bit.

Happy Holidays everyone!

Surprise entrant to the rumble?

At 12/24/08 10:12 AM, pepeatumi wrote: But does anyone really want to see another Cena vs JBL match? We've gotten plenty of those over the past couple of years, and they've all been pretty bad.

The answer is NO.
JBL sucks and he is NOT a maineventer.
I would rather having Cena vs Y2J again.

At 12/24/08 10:12 AM, pepeatumi wrote: But does anyone really want to see another Cena vs JBL match? We've gotten plenty of those over the past couple of years, and they've all been pretty bad.

Nobody wants to see it, but it'd help the JBL-Michaels angle, and I'm sure we'll get plenty of other good stuff on the PPV to make up for it.

At 12/24/08 11:46 AM, DrDickHead wrote: Surprise entrant to the rumble?

That would be fine with me, though if he did come back then I don't think he would win. If he is back with the company I am eager to see what they do with him. I wonder who he would fued with first, and would be be alligned with Edge?

So with WM getting close, who do you think will be in the MITB match this time around?

At 12/25/08 10:55 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: So with WM getting close, who do you think will be in the MITB match this time around?

I think Benjamin and Punk get in for the workhorse aspect of it. Hmmm, maybe Cody Rhodes. I could see MVP and Jericho also involved if Jericho has no title match commitment. It's probably too soon to tell because if say Jeff Hardy loses the belt anytime soon I am sure they'll throw him into the match (probably not slotted in to win, but he'd at least be there). Punk and Benjamin feel like the only definites to me right now because of their skill set and because I don't see either one as a world champion, or challenging a world champion come Mania.

At 12/25/08 10:55 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: So with WM getting close, who do you think will be in the MITB match this time around?

My guess: MVP, Kennedy, Rey, Evan, Finlay and Kingston.
I hope that MVP wins.

At 12/25/08 05:11 PM, JohnCena423 wrote: money in the bank CM punk Vs Edge Vs john morrison vs Mr. kennedy vs chris jericho vs jeff hardy winner Jeff hardy

Can't see Edge booked into it. He's too big for this match right now. The other picks are good, except for maybe Mr. Kennedy, I think he might wind up on the "lucky if he gets booked" list. I think Evan Bourne if healthy should be booked into it. I think Hardy may be "above it" now too, I could actually see him potentially in the challenger's spot for the WWE title now, if not him still being champion by then.

smackdown vs raw vs ecw MVP. vs rey mysterio vs matt hardy winner rey mysterio

Can't see it.

tommy dreamer vs shelton benjamin last man standing for us title winner tommy dreamer

Now you're just making things up.

mark henry vs kane vs great khali vs big show vs for ecw title winner kane

Dear God why would anyone want to see that?

kofi kingston vs umaga hell in a cell for intercontinental title winner kofi kingstom

Total mismatch, also it ignores that Umaga is on SD! and Punk is going to most likely be the next man to become IC champion. I'd rather Umaga/Taker in this spot.

curt hawkins and zack ryder vs jesse and festus for wwe tag team titles winner jesse and festus

I am really really dismayed at the tag scene on SD! these days. Does anybody even really remember Carlito and Primo are champions? Here are two guys who were having good matches, being entertaining, and they're nowhere. If Miz and Morrison are gonna be on the brand feuding with Jesse and Festus why didn't they flip the WWE tag straps onto them, could have done exactly what they did to flip the belts at the house show, and it would have been much more logical. I do want to see a tag title match again at Mania though. I'm also dismayed at the way the Edgeheads have just totally disappeared from TV and from mattering at all. Decent team, try and develop them WWE!

Randy orton vs batista ladder match for world heavyweight title winner batista but jeff hardy cashes in money in the bank and pins batista winner jeff hardy

Won't happen because Batista is hurt (WWE has confirmed it). More likely we're building to Orton/Cena.

undertaker vs triple h casket match for wwe title

Wouldn't mind getting this bout. But without the stip and the strap. I think they could do a great build of trying to say these are the biggest icons on SD!, they haven't fought in years, and if anyone can truly threaten the streak, it's H. Don't need a stip or a strap here, you just need these two and a good build.

At 12/25/08 04:48 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:

My guess: MVP, Kennedy, Rey, Evan, Finlay and Kingston.
I hope that MVP wins.

I like your line up the best. is MITB still a six man deal, or did they change it to eight? Either way I want to see Morrison or Benjamin in there.

I'd love to see MVP, Kennedy, Morrison of Shelton win. All four of these guys are ready for the main event level, they just need some grooming (a lot for MVP, sadly) and should have been bumped up a LONG time ago. Especially Shelton, since he hasn't violated any rules, or rubbed on anyone the wrong way, unless I missed something.

At 12/25/08 07:32 PM, boloneyman wrote:

At 12/25/08 04:48 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:

My guess: MVP, Kennedy, Rey, Evan, Finlay and Kingston.
I hope that MVP wins.

I like your line up the best. is MITB still a six man deal, or did they change it to eight? Either way I want to see Morrison or Benjamin in there.

If it is eight, add Morrison and Rhodes.
Anyway, MVP for the win.

At 12/25/08 07:32 PM, boloneyman wrote:

I'd love to see MVP, Kennedy, Morrison of Shelton win. All four of these guys are ready for the main event level, they just need some grooming (a lot for MVP, sadly)

Ok, this is where being a mark is fucking with fact (forgive me if I get a little pissy but, I'm a drinkin). Look, do I think all of those guys have talent? Sure, but main eventers? Nope, not yet. Lemme run it down:

MVP: Been jobbed into oblivion, he needs almost to be completely rebuilt here before you give him that big push I think. He's an easier turn around then the others on this list, but I just don't think this is his year for MITB unless they take major steps to turn him around before Mania here.

Kennedy: They've tried, but he's got an achy breaky body. He's proven that, not to mention his occassionally "long on talk, short on brains" faux paus. This guy will be lucky to get a US title run let alone a WWE title run. I'd say he'd have to spend a minimum of 1 to 2 years injury free before they should even consider it again. No way here.

Morrison: Got the talk, got the featured position, I think Morrison may have the best shot out of the group right now at breaking through. Morrison has pretty well established that when he's in there, you are gonna get quality, his promos have been pretty good, but he's still playing off Miz so I'd like to see a few more promos where he stands alone. That's another drawback to him right now, he's so much part of the Miz and Morrison package, he hasn't really broken out as his own man. When you're in a team you really shouldn't, but if they want to elevate him as a single any time soon, they need to start trying. Again to me I don't think you give a guy the guarantee of a title win (which is what Money In The Bank has been established as) if you aren't positive he'd be able to get to that point you want him to get to before you give it to him. I'm not entirely confident Morrison could in fact carry it yet, great talent, a future pillar I think for sure, but right now I am not sure, so I say wait until we are.

and should have been bumped up a LONG time ago. Especially Shelton, since he hasn't violated any rules, or rubbed on anyone the wrong way, unless I missed something.

Shelton has never until very recently shown his personality. Even now he isn't very actively developed. Shelton's problem has always been he's a good worker, and they've given him some big wins, and moments to try and show what he can do as a character, but nothing sustained. At this point he's "just another champion" and has done nothing to really break himself or the US title out to my mind, so again here's a guy that can be there to have a really good performance, but somebody on creative with influence needs to get behind him and want to build him into something important and marketable.

Benjamin would have a good angle to work with as the fact that he's been in every one (I think) and he's never won it. That could be his motivation for winning. Also MVP could be the dark horse since he hasn't won anything in a while.

At 12/26/08 09:42 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Benjamin would have a good angle to work with as the fact that he's been in every one (I think) and he's never won it. That could be his motivation for winning. Also MVP could be the dark horse since he hasn't won anything in a while.

It is way better if a heel wins it. I think that the whole point of the MITB is sneaking upon the champion when he is beaten and weak and winning the title. Of course, a face can do the same thing like Punk did to Edge. But for me, the "cash in when you expect the least" angle works better for heels than faces. I seriously hope that the company builds MVP a little up before Mania so that it will be more believable if he wins it.

I think that the company is trying to build Shelton as a main threat. Look at him kicking off the shinning wizard and beating Helms cleanly.

Speaking of Benjamin, his match with Helms on SD was awesome. There were point in the match where I thought Helms had won it for sure but they kept me on the edge of my seat. I'm really glad Helms is back on TV again. We also found out that Kizarny guy will debut next week and Umaga is going to return soon as well.

Man...Poor MVP. The guys a punchline now. When he was looking depressed before his match, I don't think that was acting.

Looking at Kizarny he kind of reminds me of Droz, he's got a very unique look and depending on what he can do in the ring, I think that they might be able to just have him drop the Carny speak and he'd be ok.

At 12/27/08 02:33 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Looking at Kizarny he kind of reminds me of Droz, he's got a very unique look and depending on what he can do in the ring, I think that they might be able to just have him drop the Carny speak and he'd be ok.

The crowds seem to be dead when the company cut his promo, man...I do not like his gimmick and I doubt that he is going anywhere with it.

At 12/27/08 04:07 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: The crowds seem to be dead when the company cut his promo, man...I do not like his gimmick and I doubt that he is going anywhere with it.

They do, I'm not saying he'll get over with the gimmick he's doing now, but I'm saying if he shows something in the ring, and they drop the incomprehensible promos he might have a chance. Right now all we've seen is their bad character idea, it can be changed. Let's also consider this guy is a close friend of the top heel on the brand (Edge) as well, that sure can't hurt him.

I at least want to see what he can do before I write him off. I'm sure there will have to be some character modifications along the way but at least WWE is trying something different here.

I got the History of the Intercontinental Championship DVD for Chritsmas. I haven't watched it yet but when I do I'll let you guys know how it was. I have a feeling that the first disk is going to be a tougher watch since I'm just not big on old-timey wrestling. But with matches between Machch man and Ricky Steamboat on there it shouldn't be too bad. A good number of matches on here I've never seen before so I'm looking forward to that too.

Well I agree with you about MVP, I said so in my original post. I'm hoping that once 09 starts, the jobbing will stop and he starts picking up important wins. Preferably starting with Khali.

Kennedy gets injured a lot, but doesn't Batista as well?

I think all Morrison needs to do is establish himself as a singles competitor, since he has never been able to do so for any extended period of time. To be honest, he may be more valuable to the WWE as a tag wrestler.

As for Shelton, I agree, I don't think he has found the right angle for himself yet.

I really wouldn't consider myself a mark for any of these guys except Morrison. I am just tired of seeing the same faces in the main event scene and I want to see some fresh blood from the younger roster.

At 12/28/08 01:36 PM, boloneyman wrote: Well I agree with you about MVP, I said so in my original post. I'm hoping that once 09 starts, the jobbing will stop and he starts picking up important wins. Preferably starting with Khali.

Yeah, if you rebuild him, and maybe tweak his character a bit in the doing of it, it could work. But yeah, he gets a few high profile wins and people will forget the punchline he's become.

Kennedy gets injured a lot, but doesn't Batista as well?

Sure, but Batista is a PROVEN draw, and it's been a couple years or so between injuries for him. Kennedy gets hurt or suspended every time they try to start pushing him. That's the difference. You can't sustain a push for him because something happens with him to screw it up.

I think all Morrison needs to do is establish himself as a singles competitor, since he has never been able to do so for any extended period of time. To be honest, he may be more valuable to the WWE as a tag wrestler.

I don't think so, I think he could be a good singles guy too, and it's really in his best interest to do so because tag teams aren't really pushed. But right now he's got a good niche with Miz, and I feel no rush to break that up.

As for Shelton, I agree, I don't think he has found the right angle for himself yet.

Nope, and they've never really shown a commitment to him for an extended period of time. Even his winning the US title seemed more about getting the belt off ECW and back on SD! then it was sustaining a push for him. The R-Truth feud was curbed quick. I'm not sure what'll happen with the thing with Helms. Hopefully Helms jobbed here to help Benjamin get focused on, but who knows?

I really wouldn't consider myself a mark for any of these guys except Morrison. I am just tired of seeing the same faces in the main event scene and I want to see some fresh blood from the younger roster.

I do too, but you can't bring guys up before they're ready to carry the ball or they just fail, potentially never get that shot again, and it just reinforces the idea to management of "oh, we gotta keep the same old guys on top". I think we're seeing more of a focus on that young talent on the undercard, and that will ultimately pay off. Look at Edge, he was a star on the undercard for most of his career, and when he got his moment, he was ready, he was hungry, and now he's one of the biggest stars in the business.

At 12/25/08 05:11 PM, JohnCena423 wrote: undertaker vs triple h casket match for wwe title

That could be a possiblitiy, but i am almost sure this will not happen as shawn michaels has already been giving vince ideas of that he sholud be the one against the undertaker.

At 12/27/08 11:45 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: They do, I'm not saying he'll get over with the gimmick he's doing now, but I'm saying if he shows something in the ring, and they drop the incomprehensible promos he might have a chance. Right now all we've seen is their bad character idea, it can be changed. Let's also consider this guy is a close friend of the top heel on the brand (Edge) as well, that sure can't hurt him.

Well, only time will tell. Is he going to be a face or heel? It is hard to tell at the moment.

At 12/28/08 09:02 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Well, only time will tell. Is he going to be a face or heel? It is hard to tell at the moment.

They should probably wait until his debut and see how the crowd reacts to him (although if they sit on their hands the options to me are make him a heel, or pull the plug).

Fatal Four Way tonight. Will HBK stay with JBL or will a title opporunity be the thing HBK needs? I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. That and it should be a pretty good match anyway despite JBL being in there.

Batista's surgery was a success and will be out for a while. Not sure just how long he will be away but I wish him a speedy recovery.

At 12/29/08 11:56 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Fatal Four Way tonight. Will HBK stay with JBL or will a title opporunity be the thing HBK needs? I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. That and it should be a pretty good match anyway despite JBL being in there.

I doubt jericho or orton will win hbk is the only babyface in the match and it favors him to win it and go against jbl and some how he will make it a triple threat of cena vs hbk vs jbl.

At 12/29/08 11:56 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Fatal Four Way tonight. Will HBK stay with JBL or will a title opporunity be the thing HBK needs? I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. That and it should be a pretty good match anyway despite JBL being in there.

I like the JBL-HBK angle, there is still a lot that can happen with this storyline. If HBK goes for the title opporunity and deserts JBL, it is going to put a damper on the storyline. IMO, HBK is going to do everything he can to help JBL winning the match. Yes, I did predict an Orton victory, but I did not know that Batista was out for WM then, so save Orton/Cena for Mania. I hope that they make Orton strong tonight by having him eliminating a few people.

I finished the first disk of the IC championship DVD today. Man, I'm so not into old time wrestling. It wasn't until Steamboat/Savage that it got good in my opinion. The second one features more of what I'm familiar with so I'm looking forward to that.

Raw was ok, the finish to the fatal four was was done well. Not happy that we have JBL/Cena again but I figured that was coming. The big tag match was fun to watch. I did enjoy Cena and Kofi doing their signature moves at the same time. The situation with team priceless is also interesting.