At 11/27/08 06:32 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: The company does not to push guys who came from the TNA

I really can see them jobbing out Samoa Joe, I know he aint in shape, but that guy is OVER AS FUCK. But I really do see them jobbing to EVERYBODY. Shit, lookit the "invasion" angle. Damn near EVERYONE from WCW jobbed to the WWF guys and I can totally see Vince pimping out TNA piecemeal (wrestler by wrestler) like that.

At 11/28/08 07:09 AM, Shaun wrote: I don't think they are hell bent on destroying him.

Have we seen the same booking? It's WCW all over again! Which is pretty easy to do since all the principles in TNA who have surrounded him are all the same guys that undercut all the young talent in WCW and kept them from getting over. Joe, Styles, and those guys are the now, they are not "the stars of tomorrow" they're the stars of now and TNA needs to get that and treat them like it. But I think they have too many egos and guys who will not accept their time is pretty well done.

Him and Styles will come out looking as strong as ever by the end of the main event mafia angle.

You have a faith in this booking team I long ago lost. I'll leave it there because obviously until it's done I can't say for a fact you're wrong. It's just my belief at this time you will be proven wrong.

That is the whole idea of it.

No, that is SUPPOSED to be the whole idea. But again, there are too many people that were involved in the height of WCW, and the angle that saved then killed it. This right now to me follows storylines like New Blood vs. Millionare's Club, or nWo vs. WCW. The point of these angles is heel group vs. face group. Heel group needs to start out strong sure, they need to Pearl Harbor (sneak attack) the faces, cheat to beat them, and just generally look like a menace at first. That's how their going to build heat and get people to be like "I hate these fucks, but they are tough and when my heroes beat them it'll be something". Then the babyfaces fight back, eventually beating the heels and destroying their alliance or running them off. That's how it's supposed to work, but it hasn't worked around this cast of characters.

New Blood vs. Millionare's was just abruptly dropped when it didn't work (that one is squarely on Russo)

nWo vs. WCW suffered from having no real ending. The heels just lost interest after beating the hell out of WCW and having most of the roster jump because they made WCW seem completely useless or uncool except for a a very small handful of guys (which really only wound up being DDP because he's the only guy I can recall that was in a featured role that didn't eventually join some faction of the nWo). That's terrible booking because they made the faces, and the home banner look utterly worthless, and that is something that Kevin Nash helped play an integral role in.

What this comes down to is with the way TNA is structured, it's like WCW. Unless the members of the Mafia are willing to lose this feud and do the things that are required to get the opponents over and finally establish the power players for TNA of the youth club and then let them do it, it's just not gonna happen. It needs to happen too because the only two ways for TNA to get into the marketplace for real is they need to present a different from WWE product, and bring along new and fresh talents that capture the imagination. Right now it's like a WCW/WWE reunion hybrid show with a lot of resources, and some new guys thrown in, but never really allowed to fully play at the big time level. I don't see that changing either.

And considering that TNA has so many people who were involved with WCW when it died, you would think that they would have learned their lesson and would want to avoid a situation like that, but apparently that is not the case. Thing is TNA does have a shot at being a WWE alternative and they should capitalize on that.

wwe PWNS!!!TNA can bite me

I wonder how Jericho will get back at Cena tonight. Will there be consequences for his actions handed down by Steph, or will they just have him in his match with Kane and nothing else?

We'll also see more of the IC tournament. I think Rey is going up againt Miz, but I'm not sure on that one.

At 12/1/08 07:32 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I wonder how Jericho will get back at Cena tonight. Will there be consequences for his actions handed down by Steph, or will they just have him in his match with Kane and nothing else?

Knowing the creative team, they will make Y2J Cena's little bitch all the way to Armageddon and have him jobbing to Captain Invincible in a 20 minutes match.

We'll also see more of the IC tournament. I think Rey is going up againt Miz, but I'm not sure on that one.

A face is going to win the tournament and face Regal at Armageddon. Since Punk and Kofi are tag team champions already, I see Rey winning the tournament.

At 12/1/08 12:05 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Knowing the creative team, they will make Y2J Cena's little bitch all the way to Armageddon and have him jobbing to Captain Invincible in a 20 minutes match.

That is exactly what Im seeing for Y2J's future, and Im not even psychic ;-D

If he doesnt job continuously up to and including the PPV, Ill eat my hat.

On that note, when RVD stomped cena out and FINALLY got the strap, the most disgusting and BLATANT "FUCK YOU" to the Philly/ECW fans was the joke of a match where Cena made SABU TAP in like 5 seconds. Let me say it again, cus yer prolly still in disbelief... ON WWF, JOHN CENA MADE SABU... THE SABU TAP OUT TO AN STFU WITHIN SECONDS. He didnt even hold on for long. He tapped to the STF fucking U in like 6 seconds. That was the worst WWF match Ive ever seen.

STFU is always short for shut the fuck up in my book. :P

At 12/1/08 12:05 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: A face is going to win the tournament and face Regal at Armageddon. Since Punk and Kofi are tag team champions already, I see Rey winning the tournament.

Punk is winning. Why else would they be having all this time with Punk and Regal staring each other down and what not? It's blindingly obvious.

lol at Santino. He is so damn funny.

Yeah Punk for the win. He and Regal have unfinished buisness from the KOTR and SS, so them going at it for the IC belt will be great.

I liked Jericho's bit at the start of the show, but what really captured my attention was the segment with JBL and HBK. That was the most intense I think I've seen JBL, and I actually liked his promo. It will be an interesting storyline to be sure.

So that Ziggler guy debuted..and lost. At least he got some offense in, but he'll probably be a jobber.

Morrison vs. Finley was my favorite match of the night. Those kicks Morrison landed were sick.

I am actually surprised that Ziggler who failed the drug test in several cases could get some offense against a top maineventing babyface Batista.
I just want to say a big thank you to RKO for all he did to prevent another Cena day.

At 12/2/08 12:59 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: I am actually surprised that Ziggler who failed the drug test in several cases could get some offense against a top maineventing babyface Batista.

They put a lot of time into the guy, and he's only on strike 1, so they really should try and do something with him.

Ziggler looked like he fucked up and legit hurt Batista when he kicked him in the head on the apron. Batistas head was BEET RED the entire time he was in the ring after that. The whole back of his head and his ear were lookin prety bad the rest of that spot. Hope hes alright.

SANTINO IS FUCKING CASH. if they put the strap on him I wouldnt be bummed about it. He is an amazing heel and one of the few "funny" guys whore ACTUALLY FUNNY. Mark my words tho, with so many people starting to like him, I see him and glamerella being babyfaces by Wrestlemania.

Do any of you think Rey got hurt at the end tonight for real? He said something to the ref and they took the match home IMMEDIATELY after that, quicker than a hiccup. If so I hope hes alright.

At 12/2/08 04:01 AM, PantyWipe wrote: SANTINO IS FUCKING CASH. if they put the strap on him I wouldnt be bummed about it. He is an amazing heel and one of the few "funny" guys whore ACTUALLY FUNNY. Mark my words tho, with so many people starting to like him, I see him and glamerella being babyfaces by Wrestlemania.

Santino is sn awesome entertainer. I laughed so hard when he sold perfectly that he hurt his nuts while trying to imposing Melina's ring entrance.

At 12/2/08 04:34 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Santino is sn awesome entertainer. I laughed so hard when he sold perfectly that he hurt his nuts while trying to imposing Melina's ring entrance.

the way he screamed and hobbled away when golddust was rubbin his back... oh man, that guy is a fucking AMAZING wrestler.

Santino is a fantastic character and a testament to a guy that was on a fast boat to nowhere taking an oppurtunity and running with it.

ECW was ok last night. Swagger got the win over Ortiz and MVP continues to be a jobber. Both matches were ok, with the MVP/Hardy bout being the best of the night but I'm really tired of seeing MVP lose. I think the crowd is too as there were both Hardy and MVP chants during the match.

The rivalry between Finley and Henry is also getting a bit interesting. I'll give Mark credit for his improvment and efforts.

At 12/3/08 12:44 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Santino is a fantastic character and a testament to a guy that was on a fast boat to nowhere taking an oppurtunity and running with it.

I hear that, he couldve been EASILY cut from the roster with all of the others this year but he took his screen time and made himself one of the funniest heels I have ever seen. That guy deserves every penny that the WWF pays him.

As i have said before a match of HBK-Taker at WM may just happen, it's not much info on it but it's from a source that i can show you.

''Shawn Michaels has pitched to wrestle Undertaker at WrestleMania 25 in Houston, Texas.''

Well, no Hulkster yet again for our boys in Iraq...

Source: Rajah

-- Vince McMahon contacted Hulk Hogan within the last two months about appearing on WWE's upcoming Tribute to the Troops show in Iraq. Hogan turned down the offer for various reasons. Vince has pitched the idea to Hogan several times over the years and Hogan turns him down every time. One of the main reasons Hogan declined the offer is that his divorce has been described as a "full-time job" for him. (Source: Prowrestling.net)

Hogan's a jerk when it comes to stuff like that. I give a lot of credit to the WWE for doing this tribute to the troops show each year. I'm glad they do it and I'm sure the troops do too.

At 12/4/08 08:35 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Hogan's a jerk when it comes to stuff like that. I give a lot of credit to the WWE for doing this tribute to the troops show each year. I'm glad they do it and I'm sure the troops do too.

You can't call someone a jerk for not wanting to go into a war zone.

At 12/4/08 12:27 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Well if Hogan actually admitted that was the reason for him not going rather than making up some rubbish like how his 'divorce is a full time job', then maybe he'd be a little bit more respected. The vibe he gives off by making up excuses every year just makes him come across as a jerk.

Never a fan of Hulk Hogan, he is arguably the most overpushed guy ever.

Apparently McMahon is pushing hard for DH Smith to return to WWF as a main eventer. Groovy.

At 12/4/08 02:49 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Never a fan of Hulk Hogan, he is arguably the most overpushed guy ever.

Yeah, cause it's not like he ever drew a shit load of money. He never made one red cent on merchandise either. I mean, who even REMEMBERS that has-been at this point? Yeah...

Now back from Bizzaro World, your comment is rubbish. The internet fans may not like him overly much, but to say what you said is just nuts. The dude made the money, drew the houses, so you can't question his push. You can question how he's used it and what he did with the fame and the power, but you can't question that he didn't deserve to be a focal point.

Honestly, with as much drama as Hogan has with the divorce, I can see why he wouldn't want to go overseas, not to mention even though it's much more stable over there now then it has been, a war zone is still a war zone. I don't blame a single person who fears for their safety and what them potentially dying could do to their family and bows out.

But in reality, it's probably a case where Hogan wouldn't get enough cash and with what relations are with Hogan's camp and Vince these days, I tend to think he wasn't really even asked, or if he was it was a very fast phone call that Vince probably knew would result in a negative response.

At 12/4/08 07:27 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Apparently McMahon is pushing hard for DH Smith to return to WWF as a main eventer. Groovy.

Vince doesn't have to push for anything, that's problem one I have with this story. Vince is HEAVILY involved with creative and he's the boss! If he wants somebody brought up, put on tv, and even given the WWE title upon their debut, it'll happen. Do you know why? Because it's his company and he can do that!!

Also I'm of the camp that feels Smith was called up just to be the first to get busted. I think they knew damn well Smith had a problem, or he failed a test in advance and he was brought up solely so that they could have the first public failure be an undercard guy they could punish rather then have it be a main eventer like Jeff Hardy.

I've been hearing Smith and Wilson have been working more regularly and I know the plan initially was for them to be part of a new Hart Foundation with Natalya but then Teddy Hart flamed out (again). I think DH has certainly done his time though and it's time to give the guy a chance, if William Regal can be on strike 2 and IC champ, and Jeff Hardy is on strike 2 and in the thick of the WWE title hunt, there's no reason 1 strike Smith can't be brought back and at least given a chance to see if he can be a productive part of the roster and this was just a youthful indiscretion.

I hear that, Avie. IMO DH deserves to be at the very least at the top of the mid card. The guy is an AMZING wrestler and could have some dynamite matches, especially with guys who are good technical wrestlers.

I love in the little video on the TNA website where they are talking about MEM vs frontline that these new guys deserve a chance because these MEM guys got theirs and kurt goes, "yeah, win a gold a medal"
Bloody hilarious.
Angle is awesome.

I'd be fine with DH Smith getting another chance. We never really got to see what he could do last time. If he is as good as some of you say, then why not have him on the roster. The more talent the better.

It's been a long time since WWE had the Slammy Awards. I am kinda looking forward to it, since the show is going to be 3 hours. Lets just hope for some good matches in between awards.

At 12/5/08 08:31 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: It's been a long time since WWE had the Slammy Awards. I am kinda looking forward to it, since the show is going to be 3 hours. Lets just hope for some good matches in between awards.

It looks pretty loaded in that regard. The Salmmys are outdated to me, it's just dumb gaga that probably will not help the rating at all, and if anything I think it's one of those things that angers the core audience they want to get back. Why didn't the just save the IC title tournament for that night? It seems pretty clear the idea here is to re-establish that title as something important, so what better way then to say "we are going to be devoting a 3 hour show, or at least most of it, to determining a new no. 1 contender"