It would be really awesome/surprising if big show actually squashed Mayweather, although I know that aint happening.

Still, Id job to the brooklyn brawler for 20 million.

At 3/4/08 07:19 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Still, Id job to the brooklyn brawler for 20 million.

That number is such a work. It's completely to protect Mayweather so that when people go "why the hell are you doing fake wrestling when you're a serious athlete?" he can say "Because I'm getting like half of what my De La Hoya fight is paying me". Simple as that.

I only saw the main event on last nights ECW but I read the results so I know what went down. Punk and Chavo put on a very competitive match. I was a bit suprised that Chavo won clean though. At first I thought they were just going to make Chavo a temporary threat or something, but WWE is actually pushing him as a strong champion.

At 3/4/08 07:33 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: What? The Tyson-Austin angle was very well done. Why is it the things you say always come out of hate? D{^:

Well done? I hope that you are not serious...the match itself MAY BE entertaining, but let's see what Tyson did after the "feud". We both know that he became everyone's punch bag since biting off Holyfield's ear. You can argue that jail time ruined Tyson who could be the best boxer of all time, but the lack of proper training is also a factor why Tyson got owned late in his career. Do not tell me that he lost a few fights because he was old and passed his prime. Lewis was still a champion when he was 38. Talent wise, Tyson would own the likes of Holyfield and Lewis. If he concentrated on training and keeping himself in shape, he would not have been a joke in his late career. Sure the Tyson --- Stone Cold feud did bring Tyson cash, but what did those "social activities" do the Tyson's career? Nothing positive. For that single reason, the feud screamed "failure" all over its profile, especially for Tyson.

At 3/5/08 09:57 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I only saw the main event on last nights ECW but I read the results so I know what went down. Punk and Chavo put on a very competitive match. I was a bit suprised that Chavo won clean though. At first I thought they were just going to make Chavo a temporary threat or something, but WWE is actually pushing him as a strong champion.

I just hope that the clean pin will FINALLY put the feud to "sleep", it is time for Kane to get his chance.

I'm so sick and tired of watching matches on ECW that last 5 seconds, or seeing someone they are trying to promote, fight a nobody. ECW was shit last night. The only good match was the tag titles match. I hope to god that the Extreme Rules Match will be good next week. ECW is boring as fuck. They need the extreme shit back and quickly.

Source: Gerweck.net

Dave Meltzer is reporting that next year's Wrestlemania is set for Sunday, April 5, 2009 at Reliant Stadium in Houston, Texas.

Any thoughts?

At 3/5/08 04:42 PM, Black-Lightning wrote: I'm so sick and tired of watching matches on ECW that last 5 seconds, or seeing someone they are trying to promote, fight a nobody. ECW was shit last night. The only good match was the tag titles match. I hope to god that the Extreme Rules Match will be good next week. ECW is boring as fuck. They need the extreme shit back and quickly.

Well...you really cannot and should not expect too much from the C show, right?

At 3/4/08 07:33 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Who are you? I'd job out to Brawler for the experience.

I meant if I were mayweather, id job to him for 20 mil.

At 3/5/08 04:19 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Well done? I hope that you are not serious...

Wow, sometimes dude...that angle made Austin, and catapulted him to the forefront of the company, leading to it's greatest success EVER. It didn't help Tyson but it helped the WWE tremendously.

As far as the Mania 25 announcement, it makes me wonder if perhaps that next year won't be the end for Taker. You know, hold the belt for most of this one, drop it before Mania, retire with a win in his hometown, and a streak and a body of work that will never be equaled in WWE.

At 3/5/08 06:55 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Well...you really cannot and should not expect too much from the C show, right?

What do you mean 'C show?'

At 3/6/08 12:34 AM, Black-Lightning wrote: What do you mean 'C show?'

In terms of priority, WWE has the A show (RAW) the B show (SD!) and the C Show (ECW). Because that line about "all our brands are equally important" is utter horse shit. Utter horse shit.

Hey, is anybody else with a PWInsider Elite account having problems accessing hotlines? Dave said they fixed it, but I'm still having major problems.

Alright, avie decided to finish the rum from Christmas...and got a good buzz going...it's drunken bitching time!!!! Yay drunken bitching time!!! (seriously, somebody requested it, so now you're all going to deal with it).

So I read the other fucking day that there are no plans in the WWE pipeline now to do any further ECW DVD's. There's plans for a best of Starrcade, but not for say, November 2 Remember (for those unaware, that was ECW's signature wrestlemania type event, although there was certainly an abortive effort to make Super Clash the signature show, as the first one was even dubbed "Super Clash 1" which you just don't fucking do unless you expect to have a 2-whatevermothertruckers!!!). At the risk of pissing off any still remaining WCW fans (yes, all 2 of you) what the fucking fuck? Your honestly telling me that something like Starrcade is a better test run for non-WWE anthology type productions then just about any ECW show ever? Are you ribbing me? For real? Fuck you!!!

Look, I got respect for Crockett, I have respect for the NWA and the folks involved and yadda yadda, but let's get fucking real here, how many of us can say we honestly experienced that shit first hand? Really, I want a show of goddamn hands. Most of us are children of WWE, we are, we grew up with that, and we say "oh, but the NWA is so important" because we were TOLD it is. Truly, it was, it was a big deal, but it is not a big deal to US PERSONALLY!!! That's my point here, when someone asks me to describe WCW, I without hesitation say "with the exception of 96-97, when the nWo angle was hot as hell, it was the comatose, dead body of Crockett Promotions on life support". It was a company that had died years ago, being kept alive because Ted Turner liked the ratings wrestling gave him, but had no fucking clue how to make work. But yeah, rambling, and that is off point, plus it's shit you know. You've heard it a thousand times. But THIS is the company we want to test the waters with? Not ECW? Not something that was your SEOND FUCKING HIGHEST SELLING DVD TITLE OF ALL TIME?! Not that? No...you wouldn't if you were WWE would you? Here's two reasons why I think that is:

1. Old ECW footage points out the inferiority of the new: Seriously, if WWE puts out old ECW footage, with the exception of say going "here's an hour of EASTERN Championship Wrestling" all they'll do is point out what a farce the current series is, and how far removed from the original this series is. Or if they put out any Mikey Whipwreck stuff, they'll expose where the hell the Colin Delaney story is going, lolololol. I'm not knocking the kid, and I damn sure ain't knocking Tommy, I really like it, even if it is blatant rip off hour. But yeah, if they say go "hey, here's the episode of Hardcore TV (or the show which became Hardcore TV once the TNN deal was in effect and it was more essential to delineate the national television product from the syndicated product) where Sandman canes the shit out Tommy Dreamer!" you would immediately see the difference. Because with that angle, you have Sandman becoming a giant scumbag, and Dreamer who was this pretty boy can't get over babyface, and they reverse roles. Lemme back up a sec, Sandman was a cool heel, if you go back and watch the TV footage, Sandman beats up his wife, he talks all this shit about Tommy Cairo and goes "hey man, you're eating my food, your drinking my beer, your sleeping in my house, and your fucking my wife, but you haven't PAID for it!!! That's my problem here" and logically, this should make Sandman a shit head. But people ate it up. Two reasons: 1. Sandman was, and is a WAY better promo then he's credited for usually, and 2. When Sandman was coming out then, he's got a black and white camera shooting, he's got the cane, the cigarette, the hot girl (R.I.P Nancy "Woman" Benoit) and what the fuck does Tommy Cairo have? He's ugly as shit, at this point he's out of shape, and just any luster the bastard has is gone. Sandman is somebody representing the south Philly crowd, Cairo wasn't, Dreamer had much of the same problem, although at that point Tommy was very much in shape, marginal worker, but just a fucking pretty boy. He takes TEN cane shots to the back, he bleeds, and he's offered after almost every shot a chance to just say "ok, that's enough, I give" but he won't, he says shit like "more" or "I'm taking it all, I'm a man of my word" or even "Thank you sir! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER??!!!". Sandman, the cool heel, has now just become a pretty much complete heel, Dreamer, the reviled babyface, has become a real face. No way is WWE today capable of that. Which brings us to point 2.

2. WWE is simply AFRAID to air that stuff. I mean, I think they would have to air the stuff that's just blood and hardcore matches because that way they could try to marginalize the product, and not have to compete. Because if they showed more of the stuff I just pointed out above, within the context I just framed it in, it would make them look inept. It would point out how bad this creative team is in making their characters really matter and connect with the core audience. Not to mention it would just make people go "goddamn, this is what wrestling should be...not this crap I'm watching now". Oh, and let's not forget that it'd also pretty clearly show that the Attitude era was, in many cases, a situation of just writers looking at ECW angles and characters and going "ok, just 100% steal that and put it on TV on Monday".

I think it's a shame, but I guess I understand it too. Does a gigantic company like WWE really want to place itself into a position where they're showing very clearly how they ripped off from a promotion who's main home base was converted bingo hall in Philadelphia? No, I don't think they do. But it's a shame for fans, because there is such magic on those shows. There is such a greatness there. A lot of that comes from Philly too I think, I've been there for three straight years for mod meet, and kids, if you haven't gone, you should. I'm not sure I could live there, but it is a great place to visit. Such history, and such beauty in an urbad way...plus, go watch a few old ECW TV episodes, I'm pretty sure PE cut a promo around the area which houses the NG offices currently. Rambling again, but yeah, point is, I think WWE is afraid, and that's why they've gone from willingness to accept ECW's place in wrestling history, to trying to marginalize them, and grind them into the dust.

It's one thing to say "this company was so great and influential" but if you can't be great and influential on your own, then it starts to become jealousy I think, especially when a lot of your success came off that other company's back. If Vince was still the innovator of wrestling and entertainment in general, he'd have no problem showing the best face of any promotion he owns the footage of. But since he isn't, it makes me wonder if perhaps some of these releases where the criticisms I hear tend to be "geez, this lineup is weak" isn't Vince purposely grabbing the worst stuff he can find just so he can send the audience away with that belief of "yeah, WWE really is the best there ever has been". It's a shame, and it's perhaps the best reason there is for at least one company to have survived the wars of the 90's, because with only one company having lived, that company can now write the history of the business, write that history any way they want to.

Hopefully theres at least a few things there that can be used for conversation there, cause at this point as you've probably figured out, I'm far too friggin drunk to tell the difference. Thanks for listening and indulging me guys. It's really really appreciated, I'm so very happy and proud to be able to contribute here, and that's not just drunk talk or drunken bullshit.

Way to vent Avie, you really hit the nail on the head when it comes to these WWE DVD releases and how the current product seems to pale in comparison to the old. I would even go further to say that WWE as a whole is suffering from this, re-using old storylines used by other company's or (themselves) and not being able to make it as good as the first time.

Thing is I wouldn't mind a best of WCW DVD. Why not, they own all the footage, why let it go to waste? Depending on the Starrcade sales they will either do more of it, or go back to something else. I'm sure WWE will make another ECW DVD down the road, it's just a matter of time.

One of the two remaining WCW fans here ^^
Anyway, i'm all for a "Best of Starcade DVD" as well as any other WCW DVD's. I already own Rise & Fall of ECW and Most Extreme Matches as well as a fair few WWE DVD's. Apart from the Monday Night Wars, i don't own any WCW discs, which is a shame as it's the show that first got my interested in Wrestling.

At 3/6/08 01:27 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Hey, is anybody else with a PWInsider Elite account having problems accessing hotlines? Dave said they fixed it, but I'm still having major problems.

The top link doesn't work for me, but the third one down works ok.

At 3/6/08 06:34 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Doubtful. Hometown doesn't mean much of anything to Taker. Thats a "worldy" spice that Taker doesnt really need to add to his matches. Also, I can't see Vince letting anyone retire with a World Belt, not even Taker. That mixed in with the fact that Taker is as good as hes ever been and in great shape (and continues to add to and evolve his work) as well as having the relaxed schedule that he does when hes not on top, I just don't see Taker leaving for at least a few more years.

Dosen't need it, but it could be the way to go if he's considering it. Taker has been working much more lately, had another major injury last year, it makes me wonder. Plus, he has a hot young girlfriend on the roster, so what more does the guy need? I agree he wouldn't get to retire with the belt, he'd probably drop it before Mania I'm saying, get written out of the title program, and just have that final match, but it would be hard to do that I guess.

At 3/6/08 06:34 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Thats exactly why it was well done. The wrestler got over and the boxer played a bit part while resting pretty in the background in the meantime. Also, something tells me DoD thinks the two had a match....which, they never did. Just to clear that up.

Well...I cannot remember what exactly went on between Stone Cold and Tyson ten years ago. But Tyson did become everyone's bitch in his late career though.

I just don't see Taker leaving for at least a few more years.

Hey, Ric Flair is almost 60, (born in 1949, I think...) and he is still wrestling. I cannot see why Taker cannot wrestle another 5 years or so.

At 3/6/08 07:28 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Speaking of ECW, whats next for Punk? After losing clean to Chavo, I can't realistically see him challenging for the TV...er, ECW title again anytime soon. SO what're his options? Money in the Bank? If so, what comes after that? He sure ain't winning the sucker, thats for sure. He could go back to feuding with BDV....Or maybe Benjamin....I dunno, what do you guys think?

I hope WWE doesn't actually leave him off of the WM card (Then again, this is WWE we're talking about). My guess is he'll either get another match against Chavo at WM (Probably Extreme Rules) or he'll qualify and compete in the MITB.

And Avie, I've been meaning to ask this since Monday.... Since you are a mod and everything. Is there any way you could change the title of this threat to the MME Club (Money Mayweather Entertaimnent)? I think its only fitting we pay our respects to the Jet readying, pancake eating, nose and jaw busting GOD that is Floyd "Money" Mayweather.

At 3/6/08 07:56 PM, pepeatumi wrote:

At 3/6/08 07:28 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Speaking of ECW, whats next for Punk? After losing clean to Chavo, I can't realistically see him challenging for the TV...er, ECW title again anytime soon. SO what're his options? Money in the Bank? If so, what comes after that? He sure ain't winning the sucker, thats for sure. He could go back to feuding with BDV....Or maybe Benjamin....I dunno, what do you guys think?

I think at this point it's time to just take him off ECW and move him on up to SD!. Not RAW, they'd kill him there, but I'd like to see him on SD!, especially if Edge drops the belt to Taker, you do one or two rematches, and then you have Punk work Edge to help rebuild Punk, and see if he could viably move into a main event slot. He's done everything he can on ECW, and I think he's really too big for that brand now. If you aren't moving him, why the hell are they basically positioning Chavo as the legit top guy of the brand.

And Avie, I've been meaning to ask this since Monday.... Since you are a mod and everything. Is there any way you could change the title of this threat to the MME Club (Money Mayweather Entertaimnent)? I think its only fitting we pay our respects to the Jet readying, pancake eating, nose and jaw busting GOD that is Floyd "Money" Mayweather.

No, you'd have to repost the thread, sorry, no way to change a topic title once the topics been posted unless James or Ross did some stuff to the forum I'm not aware of.

At 3/6/08 07:56 PM, pepeatumi wrote: The MME Club: I think its only fitting we pay our respects to the Jet readying, pancake eating, nose and jaw busting GOD that is Floyd "Money" Mayweather.

Lol. Even though all the segments suck as will the "match" itself, at least Floyd is fun to watch and listen to. I have no idea what pancakes have to do with being a badass but if thats what makes him so tough then maybe all those years of not eating at Ihop are working against me.

Anyone catch TNA last night? The 6 sides of steel or whatever, I don't watch TNA much, was super good. I was rooting for the guy fighting Angle. It was a really good match.
Curry man looks super fucking dumb, too.

So I'm confused, MVP beats Batista by countout. Fine. Keeps the belt on MVP, and keeps Big Dave strong. But then they book no holds barred next week? I mean, when the hell do we get Matt Hardy back to work that? This almost makes it seem like Batista is gonna end MVP's title reign and that Hardy MVP will just be a grudge feud, which I think is dumb because you could get more mileage out of those two trading the belt and thereby elevating it instead of putting it on Batista who will probably just squash people and it'd just be an excuse to try and say "he's a champion, he's important" even if the belt isn't.

Smackdown made no sense last night. So they bury both guys in the Noble/Palumbo feud, and have Batista lose by countout in the EXACT same way he lost a match a short while ago.
And I mean exact. He went out of the ring to drag his opponent back in the ring, and loses by count out. It implies to me that Batista is fucking stupid and can't work out how to lug himself back to a ring before 10.
Also, we have a four week women's competition, which will no doubt involve more prancing around a ring than anything interesting. As if that wasn't exciting enough, the prize for winning this contest is a MOTORBIKE. OMG, who do we know who likes motorbikes? Maybe Chuck Palumbo, and who is he involved with? Michelle McCool. I wonder who will win.
And I didn't know that Edge had the authority to suspend Vince's decision to make Flair retire the next time he loses.

At 3/8/08 09:30 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Either that or Flair wins somehow.

Man, Taker got pinned clean this week. I can't imagine Flair would fare much better.
Unless Taker interferes as revenge. I can see the lights going out, and Flair being out of the cage when they come back on,r all the opposition being layed out, implying that Taker somehow got in the cage.

At 3/8/08 10:11 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: ... well that certainly blows my idea out of the water.
Man, I've come up with some shit ideas today.

I would like to see Hardy return next week. If he comes back and beats MVP up all around the arena, then the match would probably go to a no contest anyway.
I don't even see why Batista is feuding with MVP when he's supposed to be preparing for a match with Umaga at Mania.
Though maybe Umaga could interrupt next week, then Hardy makes the save on Batista. But like any of this is going to happen, the way it's going seems like Hardy will never return.

At 3/8/08 12:26 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: So I'm confused, MVP beats Batista by countout. Fine. Keeps the belt on MVP, and keeps Big Dave strong. But then they book no holds barred next week? I mean, when the hell do we get Matt Hardy back to work that? This almost makes it seem like Batista is gonna end MVP's title reign and that Hardy MVP will just be a grudge feud, which I think is dumb because you could get more mileage out of those two trading the belt and thereby elevating it instead of putting it on Batista who will probably just squash people and it'd just be an excuse to try and say "he's a champion, he's important" even if the belt isn't.

The Matt/MVP fued was based around the US title. Them not going at it for the belt is very stupid. I don't know why WWE is doing this since they have that fued all ready to go. Quite honestly I can't figure it out, why haven't they brought Hardy back yet? Sometimes I think the creative staff is run by monkeys with typewriters.. Except that can't be true since we all know that method is too advanced for WWE.

We also got a blow off of the Palumbo/Noble fued, with no one getting the girl, or a win for that matter. Nothing against Kane, but if you are going to go through the effort to turn a guy into an asshole heel, you don't have him lose right after he gets established as such.

Based on that.. Sd got an "eh" rating from me. Though to be honest until the count out part I did enjoy the MVP/Batista match.

At 3/8/08 12:13 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Sometimes I think the creative staff is run by monkeys with typewriters.. Except that can't be true since we all know that method is too advanced for WWE.

Too true, even monkeys would eventually type Shakespeare if you put enough of them in a room together.

At 3/8/08 10:18 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Though maybe Umaga could interrupt next week, then Hardy makes the save on Batista. But like any of this is going to happen, the way it's going seems like Hardy will never return.

I like the idea of Umaga interrupting, and the finish to Flair/Edge. Go write for WWE please? Just get some fake hollywood credentials, and claim ignorance of wrestling so you get in.

That's the only thing that makes sense though, Batista gets cost the belt by Umaga, then when they brawl out of there, Hardy comes back and blindsides MVP. Boom, set up get.

Who won the match between Randy Orton and John Cena in the no way out tournament and who were the other winners?