At 12/15/07 11:34 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I still hate this storyline too..

I agree. Atleast it's only on Smackdown. Raw's where it's at, really. It has the Jericho/Orton thing going on, it has has HHH/Jeff Hardy going 1 on 1 at Armaggedon for a shot at the title (which, in my opinion, HHH will win) and it has just recently had it's 15th year anniversary.

What MORE could you possibly want??

At 12/16/07 03:10 AM, StudenTeacheRelation wrote: What MORE could you possibly want??

Angles that don't suck and actual wrestling for a freakin start.

At 12/16/07 03:20 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 12/16/07 03:10 AM, StudenTeacheRelation wrote: What MORE could you possibly want??

Angles that don't suck and actual wrestling for a freakin start.

Well...yeah, there's that.

Although, the ladder match between Jeff Hardy and Carlito was pretty sweet. As was the 6 man tag match, Batista, HHH and Flair vs Umaga, Orton and Edge.

I do think, though, that WWE killed the franchise when they incorperated Umaga, Khali and Big Daddy V into the shows. Umaga, granted, had a good rivalry with Cena, but that's about it. Big Daddy V did nothing, nor did Khali. Which sucks. :/

I cant wait to watch armmaggedon....Im going to have fun

As much as I'd like Jericho to win, I do agree that its unlikel. But not for too much longer. I think once we get past Mania there is a good chance for a new champion. Who that is depends on who wins between Jeff Hardy and HHH. If HHH wins its a good bet that it will be on him until Cena comes back.
Either that or they will keep the belt on Orton so they can pick up his fued with Cena from where it left off.

I'm just gonna give some short thoughts on how I'd like Armageddon to go.
Jericho should beat Orton for the WWE title, leaving Orton open to a feud with Hornswoggle, where he belongs.
Then Jeff Hardy will beat Triple H to become number one contender, but not before Jeff hardy turns on Triple H, in a surprising swerve. Jeff then talks about how much of a pussy Matt is for getting injured, and how Jeff is sick of carrying any partner he is paired with, not restricted to, but including, Triple H.
Now I just have to bide my time and wait to see if I'm right.

At 12/16/07 12:58 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Orton retains, without a doubt. I believe Jericho is moving on to a new program, most likely with Umaga and/or Kennedy (with Michaels involved) as Orton builds to his defense at mania against Trips.

Will Jericho be pinned cleanly though, or will it be a screwy victory?

Awesome stuff Red! I can agree with the ones that won.

I think the best thing for the Orton/Jericho match is to maybe give Y2J the win via DQ since Orton is such a cheater. This helps keep Jericho looking strong and to make us continue to hate Orton.

I pretty much agree with everything you just said, which is why I didn't really make any nominations. (Except for Jesse & Festus for Rookie of the Year, but it is best for MVP to have that honor).

At 12/16/07 09:38 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Holy crap, Hardy went over.

I had a post a few days ago saying that Hardy might upset HHH. It is a good choice to push Jeff Hardy to the ME level, he worked hard and deserved the chance. But HBK went over Kennedy, wtf was that? As much as I respect HBK, he really does not need the win at this point of his career. On the other hand, wasn't Mr. Kennedy supposed to be the next big star? So much for drafting him to RAW and jobbing him like a bitch. I hate you, Vince!

Also, Edge is the new WHC which means that Batista will not be the champ again anytime soon. Give me Edge vs Taker at WM!!!!!!!

Jeff has worked really damn hard, the kid deserves a shot at the title. However, I don't think he'll win. But hey, it's WWE, suprises happen. :D

At 12/13/07 01:19 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Just to add a bit more to the Edge thing... He's such a great heel that he managed to get people to cheer for Cena during their feud. Not even the almighty HHH was able to pull that off.

Triple H pulled it off when he faced Cena at wrestlemania in chicago.

At 12/17/07 12:32 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: So Edge won.
Two words: Fuck yes.

and Jericho lost.
Two words: Fuck no.

At 12/17/07 12:33 PM, PantyWipe wrote:

At 12/17/07 12:32 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: So Edge won.
Two words: Fuck yes.

and Jericho lost.
Two words: Fuck no.

We're not TNA, I don't think the WWE would've been wise to put it on Y2J quite yet, no matter how much all the fans want it.
Also, fuck yes that Edge won. Now we just have to sit through six more months of "THE LAST TITLE SHOT EVER EVER THAT BATISTA WILL EVER GET" and we'll get a new contender.

At 12/17/07 12:57 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote:

At 12/17/07 12:33 PM, PantyWipe wrote:

At 12/17/07 12:32 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: So Edge won.
Two words: Fuck yes.

and Jericho lost.
Two words: Fuck no.

Actually that result is better in the long run, in my opinion.

Yea, but... I want instant gratification.

Jericho losing isn't really the problem to me, Jericho losing and feuding with JBL is the crime here...do I even need to point out all the reasons this is wrong? I don't? Oh good.

I really like the idea of The Majors going with Edge. Edge has heat like no one else in the company right now, the Majors were going nowhere despite having the tools (in my mind), this is absolutely the right call and reminds me a lot of Team Angle under Heyman. Where you have the top heel taking two young heels under their wing and giving them some of that rub and seeing what they can do with it. I hope they hit a grand slam with it.

Also, big w00t to Edge leading SD! again, this should be fun as fuck for people who like watching an awesome heel on top.

At 12/17/07 07:56 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: and reminds me a lot of Team Angle under Heyman. Where you have the top heel taking two young heels under their wing and giving them some of that rub and seeing what they can do with it. I hope they hit a grand slam with it.

Just like with the Cabinet when JBL took The Bashams and.... oh, wait, nevermind.

At 12/17/07 12:57 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: We're not TNA, I don't think the WWE would've been wise to put it on Y2J quite yet, no matter how much all the fans want it.
Also, fuck yes that Edge won. Now we just have to sit through six more months of "THE LAST TITLE SHOT EVER EVER THAT BAIf VincTISTA WILL EVER GET" and we'll get a new contender.

If Vince has not lost all of his memory, then he will remember that Batista could not get a title shot as long as Edge was on top, the company had better remember that!

At 12/17/07 08:53 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: If Vince has not lost all of his memory, then he will remember that Batista could not get a title shot as long as Edge was on top, the company had better remember that!

I thought it was just as long as he had the title during that particular reign, and it's not the WWE would remember something like that. Fingers crossed though.

At 12/17/07 09:12 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I thought it was just as long as he had the title during that particular reign, and it's not the WWE would remember something like that. Fingers crossed though.

That's always been my interpretation when such a ruling is handed down, yes. It only counts for the that particular reign, all bets are off when a new reign begins. I see Batista getting a couple of return bouts just to keep Edge and Taker apart till Mania. Like I say, now is the time you do the whole "Taker isn't getting a shot" storyline, then he wins the Rumble (cause it looks like an SD! guy will be taking it) to get his undeniable Mania shot, with Edge trying to thwart him until the big dance when Taker mows him down.

It should be fun in the meanwhile though :)

At 12/17/07 09:12 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote:

At 12/17/07 08:53 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: If Vince has not lost all of his memory, then he will remember that Batista could not get a title shot as long as Edge was on top, the company had better remember that!

I thought it was just as long as he had the title during that particular reign, and it's not the WWE would remember something like that. Fingers crossed though.

Wait, how many times did Batista challenge Booker T for the WHC before he finally won it back? Like 100000 times?

At 12/17/07 11:40 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Wait, how many times did Batista challenge Booker T for the WHC before he finally won it back? Like 100000 times?

But there's Mania to think of now, and I believe we're getting Edge/Taker for the belt. Batista is most probably going to do something else, an early rumor is Orton. But let me stress it's an early rumor. They are leaving the options wide open

A quick question, why is NYR 2008 cancelled? Any answers?

I missed Raw but read teh results. Not too bad of a show from the written perspective. No idea how it actually looked.

it's pretty awesome that Jeff is the no. 1 contender. We can expect some cool matches in the future for that. Who do you think will get the IC title? Usually when they have a guy gunning for the top belt he drops the one he currenty has. Not automatically obviously, but you get what I'm saying. Mr. Kennedy maybe? Back to Umaga?

Why the hell are they putting Jericho in a fued with JBL of all people? That just sucks.

Also.. Yay for Edge!

*In the following comments, when I say 'tonight', I mean last night, as it is now Tuesday as I type this. (I had it taped on my neighbor's cable recorder.)*

I didn't see Armaggeddon beyond the bit of the commercial I saw, but it looks like lots of screwy & interesting shit went down. :P Especially HHH letting Jeff go over him; he must really like him for some reason. Even better, tonight he cleanly pinned Orton. Future WWE Champ? It's quite possible, and it would be a great decision on Creative's part. Oh, wait, they're bad at that.

HBK apparently busted Kennedy's left hand, and tonight they just continued where they left off. :P

Umaga proved that he CAN be stopped.....if he runs into something. WOOOOOOOOO! Now, though, we have Flair up against HHH, which should prove to be worth watching.

I wonder how long Carlito will put up with Santino's botching of the English language - and his catchphrase. :P

Coachman got Pedigree'd. Merry X-Mas, asshole. ^_^ Although Regal proved that he still has fuel in the ol' gas tank.

Look, I don't care if Jericho gets stuck feuding with, as he said it, "a wrestling afterthought" (Best. Line. Ever.), as long as JBL gets creamed. And on top of that if he can finally wrestle again, that means that LOTS of people can kick his ass, just like old times. :P

At 12/17/07 11:40 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: It has been revealed the The Major Brothers were the fake-Edges from last night. I think that its a really cool and interesting twistm but lets just see if the boys can run with it now.

Well, it isn't as if those two were really going anywhere currently. And they were the best candidates for the job - the long blonde hair was hard to distinguish since it all seemed to go so fast.

JBL is a jackass, he's a mark with a lot of power and I doubt the Jericho feud will be about Jericho smacking JBL around to look good, and more about JBL getting to look good again. He's been good as an announcer when he isn't putting himself over, and some of the defiency with Jericho I think is Jericho himself is not doing much new, he's back with the same old bag fans have seen before, and that isn't cutting it, but definitely Orton and creative did him no favors. For Jericho to not even try going for a title rematch though tells everyone that Jericho isn't worthy, and no matter what JBL had transitioned into an announcer's role, and to most fans this is a huge step down as now Jericho is feuding with a guy who they don't see as a wrestler anymore, and when he retired, he was a mid-card level act.

Meh, JBL's definitely no worse than Orton. At least JBL can talk on the mic.

JBL didn't draw, and he was boring as champ. Nobody wanted to see him as champ except Vince, he could NOT hold onto a main event position. Just because you like the guy Red dosen't change history and suddenly make a dud an awesome heel.

Granted there aren't that many great heels for Jericho to work, but again, the guy is fighting an announcer now, why don't you either move him off RAW, or take advantage of the whole "all shows cooperate" deal to bring somebody from SD! or ECW in to feud with him and maybe get some rub? I dunno, stuff like this just shows how devoid this company really is of top quality talent, and how they squander it when they get it.

At 12/18/07 06:03 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: JBL didn't draw, and he was boring as champ. Nobody wanted to see him as champ except Vince,
Granted there aren't that many great heels for Jericho to work, but again, the guy is fighting an announcer now, why don't you either move him off RAW, or take advantage of the whole "all shows cooperate" deal to bring somebody from SD! or ECW in to feud with him and maybe get some rub? I dunno, stuff like this just shows how devoid this company really is of top quality talent, and how they squander it when they get it.

Totally agree, beating a retired wrestler is not going to make Y2J better. I thought that the company was going to throw Umaga to him since Umaga has nothing to do right now. Also, can anyone tell me why NYR is cancelled this year?