Damn is SD getting the worst of this. Sandman to Raw is an interesting pick. For me it's kinda good since I can now have a chance to see Sandman again.

Visera to ECW... I guess to fill the vacant monster role.

At 6/17/07 01:05 PM, pepeatumi wrote: ECW got Viscera, but who cares about that?

The next pick by RAW was... The Sandman! I wonder how Avie feels about this?

That is pure Bullshit. I cant believe they are going to thrust him on Raw to be jobbed out. Or atleast thats what I think they are doing. Who knows, they might hand him in the IC Belt.

No 5: Bob Holly to Smackdown. Could be a good US title candidate when he comes back.
It seems to me like WWE is trying to get people out of a sinking ship on ECW. Or perhaps they're getting rid of all the older people and actually going for the younger person show.

At 6/17/07 01:23 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: No 5: Bob Holly to Smackdown. Could be a good US title candidate when he comes back.
It seems to me like WWE is trying to get people out of a sinking ship on ECW. Or perhaps they're getting rid of all the older people and actually going for the younger person show.

This is a good move. They are losing some contenders, but he can certainly make the US title look legit. I think they should move Mysterio to ECW. Make the brand Legit.

ECW is saved!!!

They drafted... The Miz!! Can I get a hoo-rah? Hoo- *Gets shot*.

The 6th pick is : The Miz

The Miz? What can he do for the brand? Honestly. I will say that this is a fresh beggining and maybe he can start a decent program.

Smackdown gets raped again, losing the Miz xD
Maybe ECW is coming off worse in this thing.

The 7th pick is: Davari to Raw?

What is this? How will this help? Well, he will be a contender for the IC title. Maybe Sandman can beat him around a bit.

SD got the Major Brothers... Good pick, they have potential and can replace London and Kendrick. Could it be they're trying to rebuild the tag-team division?

A MAJOR draft for Smackdown, as ECWs Major Brothers depart the motherland. Never seen these guys, seldom heard of them. Are they any good?

OMG I can't believe people out there still think Vince is dead. Those people should learn how to find out about these things with help from the internet. Also, I find this to be the worst draft in history. The first one that they did in 2002 was the best. They should go back to actual picks by the GM's but I guess since lately, the GM's and brands haven't really been warring with one another that wouldn't make much sense.

Yep, WWECW getting raped again, same with SD! once again they build up RAW, and harm the other shows. I assume Sandman's move is because they've just completely destroyed the Originals in ECW, if he gets a push on RAW, great, Sandman has been working hard, he's cleaned up his act and is really trying to be a star, so he deserves exposure and a push. It really does look like ECW is being treated like a sinking ship again here, which is sad because like I said last week, if you build the brand around Benoit and give him some guys to fight other then Punk, Burke, and Cor Von every week.

So in short, if they push Sandman, great, if this was just to relegate him to Heat, then why the fuck move him and show people yet again that hard work gets you nowhere in WWE.

So far this supplemental draft is even less helpful then the one last Monday. They should have just left things as they were really, except for the Benoit/Lashley exchange, that was a good one.

To make matters worse. Raw got William Regal, SD got Victoria, and WWECW apparently has no more picks.

The last four picks have been for RAW and SD.. The only thing I can think of is WWECW drafting a big name like Rey Mysterio.

people have been getting tricked with the nonsense.

Also SD got raped bad with the draft picks, Ecw isn't doing to bad, and Raw is doing great.

ECW got Johnny Nitro as the final pick in the draft. Like the Benoit pick, this is excellent news for ECW as they get another young and capable worker they can begin immediately using on the shows. But will they?

To me, Miz, Boogey, and Vis should just be treated as the new Job Squad on this brand, or made into a group centered around Kevin Thorne to try and up his name even more. I think you could get something interesting with Thorne wrestling, and those two guys acting as his henchmen, let's face it those two guys are crap in the ring, but Boogey has an interesting gimmick and look, and Vis has impressive size, they can absolutely be used to make Thorne look like more of a player if he's portrayed as the man who has cult like power over these two guys, and can make them do whatever he wants.

Nitro should be in the main event picture, this is the guy that I have feuding with CM Punk or a face turned Cor Von, probably a face turned Cor Von at this point to help him continue to improve. Burke and Punk can fight each other, or bits of the new job squad, I think a win or two on Vis could help work for CM Punk on the idea of "look at Punk! He's beating a man much bigger then he is!" it's not worth a full fledged program, just a week or two on TV.

Miz is worthless, shoot him now. But at least there's a guy that even the remaining Originals (which at this point is Balls and Dreamer) can get victories over.

Also, for those trivia buffs, Vis has a connection to the original ECW as he worked the 1998 November to Remember jobbing to Little Spike Dudley.

Victoria is one of the few wrestlers that give the woman's division any form of creditability. So why did they send her to SD where there is only divas?

At 6/17/07 04:28 PM, boloneyman wrote: Victoria is one of the few wrestlers that give the woman's division any form of creditability. So why did they send her to SD where there is only divas?

SD needed somthing to hold on, but that draft was shit.

Im bored. Lets rundown the draft picks.

First pick of the day: Paul London & Brian Kendrick have been drafted to the Raw brand.

Maybe the best if not the second best pick of the draft. Its pretty much set that Matt Hardy is moving to Raw, why waste a pick, and they have the Raw tag titles. I cant wait to see this matchup

- Second pick of the day: Kenny Dykstra has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.
This is good for him. He can actually have a program and move up here. Maybe contend for the US title.
- Third pick of the day: Viscera has been drafted to the ECW brand.
Throwaway pick. He will job out in ECW. I think WWE liked what the saw at the battle royal and figured they could make something interesting.
- Fourth pick of the day: The Sandman has been drafted to the Raw brand.
I dont think they would push him on Raw just to put him on Heat. He is an iffy. He could be jobbed out, or he could get a push.
- Fifth pick of the day: Hardcore Holly has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.
A really nice pick. He could turn face and start a program with MVP for the US title. That would be interesting.
- Sixth pick of the day: The Miz has been drafted to the ECW brand.
What a waste. Though, like some above me said, maybe they will put him in a stable and make him a henchman. That would spice things up a bit.
- Seventh pick of the day: Daivari has been drafted to the Raw brand.
I really dont see this doing much for him. I think he's filling a spot. And the only spot Raw has to fill, is a jobber spot.
- Eighth pick of the day: The Major Brothers have been drafted to the Smackdown brand.
This is interesting. Maybe they arent going to completely destroy the Smackdown tag division
- Ninth pick of the day: William Regal has been drafted to the Raw brand.
Im really lost on this one. Im not sure if he could contend for the IC title. With them pushing the current IC champ so heavily from Italy, and the push Regal's British gimmick, who knows.
- Tenth pick of the day: Victoria has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.
I think she is on the way out. Lets throw her on Smackdown
- Eleventh pick of the day: Jillian Hall has been drafted to the Raw brand.
She has showed "some" improvment. The womens division sucks right now.
- Twelfth pick of the day: Eugene has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.
Could be a jobber. Or they might finally change his shitty gimmick
- Thirteenth pick of the day: Johnny Nitro has been drafted to the ECW brand.
The best pick of the Secondary draft. He is young and certainly can contend for the title. CM Punk vs Nitro will be nice.

Aww fuck. Sorry Avi.

Im bored. Lets rundown the draft picks.

First pick of the day: Paul London & Brian Kendrick have been drafted to the Raw brand.

Maybe the best if not the second best pick of the draft. Its pretty much set that Matt Hardy is moving to Raw, why waste a pick, and they have the Raw tag titles. I cant wait to see this matchup

- Second pick of the day: Kenny Dykstra has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.

This is good for him. He can actually have a program and move up here. Maybe contend for the US title.

- Third pick of the day: Viscera has been drafted to the ECW brand.

Throwaway pick. He will job out in ECW. I think WWE liked what the saw at the battle royal and figured they could make something interesting.

- Fourth pick of the day: The Sandman has been drafted to the Raw brand.

I dont think they would push him on Raw just to put him on Heat. He is an iffy. He could be jobbed out, or he could get a push.

- Fifth pick of the day: Hardcore Holly has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.

A really nice pick. He could turn face and start a program with MVP for the US title. That would be interesting.

- Sixth pick of the day: The Miz has been drafted to the ECW brand.

What a waste. Though, like some above me said, maybe they will put him in a stable and make him a henchman. That would spice things up a bit.

- Seventh pick of the day: Daivari has been drafted to the Raw brand.

I really dont see this doing much for him. I think he's filling a spot. And the only spot Raw has to fill, is a jobber spot.

- Eighth pick of the day: The Major Brothers have been drafted to the Smackdown brand.

This is interesting. Maybe they arent going to completely destroy the Smackdown tag division

- Ninth pick of the day: William Regal has been drafted to the Raw brand.

Im really lost on this one. Im not sure if he could contend for the IC title. With them pushing the current IC champ so heavily from Italy, and the push Regal's British gimmick, who knows.

- Tenth pick of the day: Victoria has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.

I think she is on the way out. Lets throw her on Smackdown

- Eleventh pick of the day: Jillian Hall has been drafted to the Raw brand.

She has showed "some" improvment. The womens division sucks right now.

- Twelfth pick of the day: Eugene has been drafted to the Smackdown brand.

Could be a jobber. Or they might finally change his shitty gimmick

- Thirteenth pick of the day: Johnny Nitro has been drafted to the ECW brand.

The best pick of the Secondary draft. He is young and certainly can contend for the title. CM Punk vs Nitro will be nice.

At 6/17/07 07:12 PM, JohnCena423 wrote: Supplemental Draft results

Paul London & Brian Kendrick Drafted To Raw

Raw is the best now

Kenny Dykstra Drafted To Smackdown

Not a popular draft.

Viscera Drafted To ECW

Ecw will spank now

Sandman Drafted To Raw

Great draft raw will have the ups now

Hardcore Holly Drafted To Smackdown

I wish that didn't happen

The Miz Drafted To ECW

He's gonna get killed.

The Major Bros. Drafted To Smackdown
Wiliam Regal Drafted To Raw

Haha i fell on the ground and died literaly

Victoria Drafted To Smackdown

No one cares all the ladies are on SD.

Jilian Drafted To Raw

Don't care.

Eugene Drafted To Smackdown

Hehe great draft.

Johnny Nitro Drafted To ECW

This draft was horribly.

hey who won the John Cena VS Great Kahli match?

Despite what avie says I kinda like the Miz. He may not be the best wrestler in the world, but at least he has personality. Thats a lot more than many of the current guys can claim.

Yeah SD got a horrible deal this time around.

At 6/17/07 04:28 PM, boloneyman wrote: Victoria is one of the few wrestlers that give the woman's division any form of creditability. So why did they send her to SD where there is only divas?

Because Victoria was jobbing on RAW (to Mickie and Candice) anyway. Apparently, Vince does not know how to use someone who can wrestle. Moving her to SD! was not half way bad.

At 6/18/07 12:48 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Despite what avie says I kinda like the Miz. He may not be the best wrestler in the world, but at least he has personality. Thats a lot more than many of the current guys can claim.

Yeah SD got a horrible deal this time around.

If Miz wants to make some impact on ECW, he needs a new gimmick. His reality show star gimmick has failed because nobody is taking him seriously.

At 6/18/07 05:37 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: If Miz wants to make some impact on ECW, he needs a new gimmick. His reality show star gimmick has failed because nobody is taking him seriously.

He was starting to change his persona though. They were saying he was being more intense, and he looked more serious coming out to the ring. Not eating monkey brains might help his career at this point though.

At 6/18/07 05:46 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote:

At 6/18/07 05:37 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: If Miz wants to make some impact on ECW, he needs a new gimmick. His reality show star gimmick has failed because nobody is taking him seriously.

He was starting to change his persona though. They were saying he was being more intense, and he looked more serious coming out to the ring. Not eating monkey brains might help his career at this point though.

He was doing good but then he got his ass beat. Hopefully he get his winning streak back.

Raw will be interesting tonight. I'm looking forward to how they handle Sandman and London/Kendrick. I just hope they don't become jobbers.

You know, two hours from RAW, a supplemental website draft, the Slammiversary PPV yesterday, you'd think a topic about wrestling would be all abuzz today and yet it isn't. I think it's pretty telling about the state of things when even the die-hards don't get jazzed anymore.

I'm very interested to see how RAW is handled tonight, and what the final numbers are, WWE is hoping the Mcmahon angle will give them a big rating, not to mention they loaded RAW up in the draft because USA is not super happy with the declining numbers or the sponsorships they're subsequently getting. RAW brings in more revenue then SD! which is why they were willing to decimate that roster to beef up the A show. But like PWInsider said, it's the booking and storylines that need to be fixed, not the roster. WWE needs to learn from companies like ECW, or even what they themselves were doing during the Attitude era and when they kept pushing the idea of the "new generation" of stars where they were taking guys who were nobodies or mid-carders and turning them into stars with compelling storylines that people cared about. You can have the strongest roster on earth and still be dirt and eventually fold (WCW) or you can have a fairly weak and/or green roster, and when properly utilized, they can become stars (ECW)

At 6/18/07 07:10 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: You know, two hours from RAW, a supplemental website draft, the Slammiversary PPV yesterday, you'd think a topic about wrestling would be all abuzz today and yet it isn't. I think it's pretty telling about the state of things when even the die-hards don't get jazzed anymore.

That's pretty much it. I watch all the wrestling shows, but I watch them out of habit and not really because of the quality of the product.

Slammiveray was a solid if unspectacular PPV, none of the matches were bad, but not them were all that great. It seems that Kurt Angle is FINALLY a heel (though you can never tell in TNA) and even if he's a former WWE star, I think it was the right move giving him the title. Now they have to build up Joe once again and let him and Angle feud until Bound For Glory, where Joe should win the belt.

As far as the WWE is concerned, I had no problem with Vince angle... Until Ms. Martel passed away. Now what, they start with a pictue saying RIP Sherri Martel (who really died) and then they go to fottage of Vince's fake death?

That was my only fear with the angle, what if someone died during the angle, and even worse, what if Vinny Mac himself dies for real during the angle?

And of course, there's the "draft" also known as that moment in time in which SD was raped repeatedly. SD lost:

Chris Benoit
Booker T
London and Kendrick
The Miz
Mr Kennedy.....
Daivari
William Regal

All but Benoit and Miz went to RAW. RAW also got Lashley who was arguably WWECW's biggest star. By the way, SD got:

The Major Brothers
Eugene
Torrie
Chris Masters
Victoria
The Great Khali
Kenny Dykstra
Hardcore Holly

I'm far from a smart guy, but its safe to say that SD got the short end of that deal.

So while Avie is absolutely right, a lot of thngs happened in the wrestling world. None of them were really that great (except the Benoit/NItro move) and the rest just pissed me off. So that's why I've decided not to talk about this week so much.

... KENNEDY!!!!

Yeah, a double post, sorry.

They shouldn't have left SD, but I have to admit I'm happy to see London and Kendrick get a win their first time out on RAW, these kids have the potential to be BIG, dare I say bigger than the Hardys if their used right.

By the way, this is the reason that Lawler suspects London about the Vince thing, lool at London's smile!!

Ban the 450, I'll blow you up!