At 4/3/05 04:43 AM, AnzRage wrote: Yes Angle better win, I'm a huge Angle Fan. Tap out or submit! The 3 i’s. The angle slam! lol I like Angle as the wwe champion with that jacket thingy with the hoddy. This match is scheduled for one fall. Making this way to the ring, from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, weight at uh 237 pounds he's the WWE Champion Kurt Angle!!

You forgot "He's the only Olympic Gold Medalist in the WWE."

And you call yourself an Angle fan. Did you watch the 1996 Olympics when he won that gold medal that year? :P

I never really knew all that much about Credible, thanks :)

I'd like edge to win.. You know what, screw it, let Christian win. He deserves it too.

At 4/3/05 03:04 PM, ShadowBaofu wrote:
And you call yourself an Angle fan. Did you watch the 1996 Olympics when he won that gold medal that year? :P

All I remember from the 1996 olympic was the shrapnel bomb.

I like the ensemble Cena wore to the hall of fame induction ceremony.

At 4/3/05 03:05 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I never really knew all that much about Credible, thanks :)

Neither did I. And I've STILL got to get the ECW DVD, it's A MUST! And the RVD one as well.

At 4/3/05 07:50 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Yes, I did. Long live the only true athlete in Sports and Entertainment today!

Heh, when the Olymipics came to Atlanta, I went to them. :D I saw Kurt Angle win his gold medal, but I never would've though he would turn into the super star he is today. Too bad I turned down the chacne to get my picture with him and signed. : (

Well, whoever is watching the damned thing, (I can't...so pissed), keep us posted as the matches happen. I gots to know who won >: (

Hey, I'm in the same boat as you, so give me one of those paddles will ya?

At 4/3/05 10:51 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Wm results

Yep thats pretty much what happened. I was cheering when Angle won but the rest of the bar was rooting for HBK

Batista defeats Triple H.....well I'll be damned

Ha you should of see batista block the pedigree. When HHH locks the arms Batista unlocks his arm then gets a vicious sit-out powerbomb. Guarntee to be match of the year based on previous wrestlemania face title win.

Well I got 5-8 overall 33/54 damn how could I vote for christy. I am glad Taker remaines undefeated now he can retire with the best WM record.

I thought Mania was top to bottom a damn good show, and WWE accomplished everything they needed to accomplish with it, and built some great momentum up to take to TV this week. The Cena and Batista matches worry me a bit since honestly? They seemed sort of "blah" and just designed to get them over (although Batista and H really turned in a damn fine performance), it could just be that anything having to follow HBK vs. Angle was going to pale in comparison to that (and what a spectacular bout they had), but it just felt to me like a glorified handing off of the belts to the new guys. I'm glad though, we need fresh faces, I'm also encouraged that Edge won the ladder match, which gives Batista a ready made initial feud after he settles with Triple H (who I think should take some much needed time away from TV after putting Big Dave over once more), Cena on the other hand is more problematic, the obvious program is a rematch feud with JBL, but beyond that, Smackdown! needs to either build, or import (and really, importing is probably the only solid option for them right now) some main event heels pretty quick for Cena to work against.

At 4/4/05 03:27 AM, The_Redangleprince wrote:
Or they could always give it to Angle and let him fend off the numerous faces. Who's with me?! :)

I will jion you.

As much as I'd like for that to happen, I know they really have to start breeding some fresh heel talent. They could always go with Booker T, but I'm tired of seeing him switch back and forth from heel to face. They could also go BACK to Big Show as heel...again,.....damn, this roster is really stale.

They have nShow a main event push, then he goes to midcard helps innocent sluts, gets injuried and repeat.
Then what about Eddie he's main event material but how can he be an affect heel.

My gosh, post wresltemania syndrome! Whats next for our heros?! :O

For Cena >:( a short title reign for Batista a long title reign.

that battle royal was done last night but not aired. It will be featured only on the dvd release. greedy bastards.

At 4/3/05 10:21 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: One Word.....Library :*)

My library isn't that cool. :'(

Y-you.....son of a bitch! I ENVY YOU >: (

:D It would be ever worse if I DID get my picture taken with him and signed, now wouldn't it?

aboot.

rofl

At 4/4/05 03:27 AM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Or they could always give it to Angle and let him fend off the numerous faces. Who's with me?! :)

Crusade! :O

damn, this roster is really stale.

One word : Cruiserwieghts. SD! has tons of them right? They could mantle an army of these little buggers up, no one would beable to get in their way with their high flying moves and speed.

HOPEFULLY the draft will work to Smackdowns favor. Maybe bring in Jericho as a heel, let him carry the title again, or perhaps Christian could get the push...

If anything Jericho. Christion IMO is just another whiny little bitch boy. Urgh, just his name makes my skin crawl.

As far as real heels go, there aren't too many at the championship level on either show. In fact, Triple H and Angle are the only two TRUE heels.

Well, you do have Snitsky, he's not so bad. A bit of a nutter, but not too bad at that either.

Kane's old....Benoit needs to do something....as does Jericho and Michaels now that I think about em....

If Hogan is still doing it, so can the rest of these fogeys.

My gosh, post wresltemania syndrome! Whats next for our heros?! :O

Crap, loads and loads of c-r-a-p, because that's what they are going to get now.

At 4/4/05 07:59 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: that battle royal was done last night but not aired. It will be featured only on the dvd release. greedy bastards.

Aw man, well that sucks. Another company trying to purge it's fan base by making them pay for extra footage.

here it is mofo's:
this is the list of participants and the winner
From Raw:
- Simon Dean
- William Regal
- Yoshihiro Tajiri
- La Resistance
- Gene Snitsky
- Hurricane
- Rosey
- Chris Masters
- Viscera
- Rhyno
- Val Venis
- Tyson Tomko
- Maven

From Smackdown:
- Booker T (winner)
- Paul London
- Heidenreich
- Spike Dudley
- Nunzio
- Sho Funaki
- Doug Basham
- Danny Basham
- Orlando Jordan
- Mark Jindrak
- Luther Reigns
- Scotty 2 Hotty
- Hardcore Holly
- Charlie Haas
- Akio

an Edge/Batista fued sounds good to me.

At 4/3/05 10:51 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: These results and reports are all confirmed

Rey Mysterio defeats Eddie. The match ended with them shaking hands

Edge wins the Ladder Match

Hogan returns with an adssault on Hassan

Undertaker remians undefeated at Wresltemania despite interference from Cowboy bob Orton. Orton will be out with an injury for the next 4-6 months.

Trish retains title, Christy fucks up in the ring.

"Kurt Angle is able to get an Ankle Lock in and HBK has nowhere to go. He screams in pain and can't even reverse Angle's hold. It's a fantastic spot with Angle refusing to let go of HBK's angles despite all the rollover attempts. HBK also does a fantastic job of selling the pain.

Angle drops down on his back to increase his leverage and HBK screams as he cannot seem to get near the ropes. He begins to motion towards a tap, but he refuses to hit the mat. Eventually, however, he has no choice but to submit.

Winner: Kurt Angle"

....It brings a tear to the eye :*)

Akebono defeats the Big Show...via a tossing. Whoa nelly!

John Cena defeats JBL

Batista defeats Triple H.....well I'll be damned

I said Eddie would win, and he lost.

I said Kane would win, and he lost.

I said Randy Orton would win, and he lost. DAMN IT! Who cares if The Undertaker is a huge fan favorite, kill off Undertaker's undefeated streak damnit. Now he's 13-0 at WM.

I said Christy would win, and she lost.

I said Kurt Angle would win, and he does. Finally I get a win out of my predictions.

I said Big Show would win, and he lost.

I said I hope John Cena wins...and he does.

I said Triple H would win...and he doesn't...WTF!? DUDE...THAT'S MESSED UP! Maybe tonight, Triple H will get his title back from Batista, and if that doesn't happen, Orton will get the title...then again maybe Triple H and Orton might not face Batista and Edge might use his "Money In The Bank" to challenge Batista.

Last note...all these matches were hard to call, John Cena vs. JBL, Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme, and The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton especially, because if you look at my prediction post I used words for their matches like "hope" and "probably", so technically, if you don't count the John Cena match (match I used hope) I would be one and seven, but then again, if you don't count the Christy and Undertaker matches (matches I used hope and probably) I would be three and and five, but since we are counting them, I am two and six...eeech.

At 4/4/05 01:40 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: From Raw:
- Simon Dean

The Nova guy? That's really, REALLY bizzare.

- William Regal
- Yoshihiro Tajiri

Somewhat of a surprise.

- La Resistance
- Gene Snitsky
- Rosey
- Viscera
- Rhyno
- Tyson Tomko

No surprises here, just general knowledge. Am a bit about Rosey, but he's a big man, maybe the next Viscera?

- Maven

Is he still playing the heel?

From Smackdown:
- Booker T (winner)
- Paul London
- Heidenreich
- Spike Dudley
- Nunzio
- Sho Funaki
- Doug Basham
- Danny Basham
- Orlando Jordan
- Mark Jindrak
- Luther Reigns

Somewhat predictable. I didn't think Spike would be, kinda the same with Nuzio, but hey, he's an FBI, a Full blodded italian! EEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

- Scotty 2 Hotty

What the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck.

an Edge/Batista fued sounds good to me.

Indeed. Even though I'm an Edge fan, I like to see him take a beating every now and then.

At 4/4/05 03:24 PM, frogman0123 wrote: I said Eddie would win, and he lost.
I said Kane would win, and he lost.
I said Randy Orton would win, and he lost.
I said Christy would win, and she lost.
I said Big Show would win, and he lost.

*ouch* Tough break man. A few of mine came to pass, some didn't, but overall I was happy with WMXXIs turn out.

I said Kurt Angle would win, and he does. Finally I get a win out of my predictions.

Of course, it's only general knowledge that Kurt owns serious ass.

I said I hope John Cena wins...and he does.

lol I was going for JBL. I was on the mindset of Orlando fucking something up for Cena

I said Triple H would win...and he doesn't...WTF!? DUDE...THAT'S MESSED UP! Maybe tonight, Triple H will get his title back from Batista, and if that doesn't happen, Orton will get the title...then again maybe Triple H and Orton might not face Batista and Edge might use his "Money In The Bank" to challenge Batista.

Yeah, I'm sure HHH will used his clause to go against Batista. And even if HHH looses and Batista faces Orton, there is no chance in hell Batista will loose. He'll win it all costs. And I think it would be a great thing if Edge ever gets it though. I'd love to see him face Batista. >: )

DAMN IT! Who cares if The Undertaker is a huge fan favorite, kill off Undertaker's undefeated streak damnit. Now he's 13-0 at WM.

I'm sure he'll either loose when he's 15-0, or at WMXXV. That's my predictions.

At 4/4/05 03:57 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: I know :)
I would have hunted you down and commited justifiable homicide.
We have a 3-man army...but we need more.

I hate you and your stupid library.
You would never find me in this forest.
And yes, we need more men![ not in that way though, feg ]

They already have enough of those buggers flying around. The only thing they could do now would be to add Tajiri and Hurricane to SD!

HAHAHAHA! Indeed. But I think Tajiri will stay on Raw as long as Rhyno is there, and The Hurricane is with Roesy, plus they work Heat half of the time, so they'll be where they're at for a while.

Christian is every bit as good as Edge or Jericho. He just doesn't get the recognition he deserves for some odd reason.

Argh, he just bitches too much for me. Alls I ever hear coming out of his mouth is bitching followed by more of it about how he's not 'champ of this' or 'why don't I have the gold' etc etc.... He just whines too much overall.

He's not championship level now is he?

He could be in time. For now he's crazy level, possibly psyco.

Someone should kill Hogan.

Hey, I liked some of his movies from the 90's. I still wanna see him play as a nanny.

Maybe, maybe not. We'll find out tonight.

Yeah, you guys with cable will, TVs for that matter. :/

At 4/4/05 03:57 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote:

Crusade! :O

We have a 3-man army...but we need more.

what are we crusading about? if it's cool, I'm in.

Can't wait for Raw. I'm really hoping the draft gets underway. maybe not stared tonight, but at least a heads-up.

At 4/4/05 04:56 PM, Master_Inuyasha wrote:

At 4/4/05 01:40 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: - Maven

Is he still playing the heel?

Yes and he tagged up with Nova before. btw heel Maven sucks more than when he was a face.

From Smackdown:
- Scotty 2 Hotty

What the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck.

Um its a 30man battle royal they always have jobbers in the match only time they dont is Royal Rumble.

I'm sure he'll either loose when he's 15-0, or at WMXXV. That's my predictions.

Isnt he retiring soon. I think it would be great because the legend of the Undertaker will live on like hulkamania.

Yeah, you guys with cable will, TVs for that matter. :/

I be sure to write an indepth review, not really, just assume Batista will celabrate his win, Trips will make an excuse of why he lost and convice us the he is still that damn good. Edge will keep his money in the bank contract and use it someday in the future maybe when a weaker face has the title.

At 4/4/05 05:56 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Jealousy!

AEINGERH! >: (

we'll see about that

<:O Please don't hurt me Mr. Man, sir, please?

Thats his character persona. It doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a chance.

He may have a chance if he shut the fuck up once in a while. >: \

Thas like saying Heidenriech is champioship level

Hey, anything can happen. If they can hire Christy, who knows what will.

He's a worse actor then the rock.

That's what makes them so funny though. :D

Happy Kurt Angle Day!

OH YEAH!

At 4/4/05 06:15 PM, Iscrulz wrote: Yes and he tagged up with Nova before. btw heel Maven sucks more than when he was a face.

Geez? He did? Man, that is lame. He sucked as a face, he sucks as a heel, I've come to the genearl conclusion that he just sucks overall.

Um its a 30man battle royal they always have jobbers in the match only time they dont is Royal Rumble.

But still, he doesn't stand the slightest of chances.

Isnt he retiring soon. I think it would be great because the legend of the Undertaker will live on like hulkamania.

Yeah, I think he is. Too bad Flair didn't do the same instead of making himself look silly. Allthough I do congratulate him on beating King on his birthday match. It was like Flair litteraly kicked King in the balls.

I be sure to write an indepth review, not really, just assume Batista will celabrate his win, Trips will make an excuse of why he lost and convice us the he is still that damn good. Edge will keep his money in the bank contract and use it someday in the future maybe when a weaker face has the title.

Cool, I'd greatly appreciate it. And yeah, I'm ridding on all of that coming to play tonight. I'll have to check the WWF site for good clips and such.

I'll join

Happy Kurt Angle day.

At 4/4/05 06:49 PM, Master_Inuyasha wrote: Geez? He did? Man, that is lame. He sucked as a face, he sucks as a heel, I've come to the genearl conclusion that he just sucks overall.

Here here!

But still, he doesn't stand the slightest of chances.

Ok I understand what your saying.

Cool, I'd greatly appreciate it. And yeah, I'm ridding on all of that coming to play tonight. I'll have to check the WWF site for good clips and such.

Ok I will try but I am not taking notes like my impact reviews.

At 4/4/05 07:51 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote:

At 4/4/05 07:46 PM, FaceMe wrote: I'll join

And come jion the crusades to.

Happy Kurt Angle Day! And welcome to the WWE club. Hopefully you'll stick around. We have maybe 5 regulars and thats it :/

Lolz that about right and lots of vargants.

At 4/4/05 08:42 PM, Iscrulz wrote: Ok I understand what your saying.

Yeah, I mean, if I was in that ring with him, I'd take him out just because he's breathing. IMO, he's one of the lamest wrestlers ever. Wiggers don't make good wrestlers.

Ok I will try but I am not taking notes like my impact reviews.

Naw, nothing like that, just a who wrestled who and the outcome. That's all I really want to know. It's hard not having TV for all of this. :/

And come jion the crusades to.

Indeed.

Lolz that about right and lots of vargants.

Yeah. I mean what, we've got over 120 members and only 5 of us are really active, quite strange. And you'd figure Dobio would come by here now and then you know. :/

Triple threat match. Y2J vs. Shelton vs. Christian a great match. Shelton and Jericho both gained up on Christian then Christian caught a break when Jericho and Benjamin started to fight each. Lots of close falls in the match. Towards the end Tomko clotheslines Shelton while Jericho eventually gets the walls of Jericho on Christian. Shelton runs to the top rope and bulldogs Jericho. Winner Shelton

>Edge says no to Bischoff assuming he wants to exercise his title match tonight.

>Orton goes on a rant about his shoulder giving way when he was about to tombstone Taker, He is mad at Batista and demanded a match. Bischoff says all right you got it.

Trish vs. Christy w/ Lita. Trish chick-kicks Christy before the match she gets knocked out. Lita attempts to attack Trish but she goes after Lita knee. No contest

>A clip of Hogan is shown from Wrestlemania.

>HBK comes to the ring (selling the anglelock, beautiful) and says hey what about a rematch. I say yes at survivor series how long can HBK survive the anglelock. Hassan interrupts and calls the showstopper a loser Hassan gets slapped, but Daivari attacks the injured leg. Followed by downward spiral and a camel clutch with kicks to the head. JR is going frantic “Damn it to hell this isn’t right”.

Edge vs. Benoit Well Benoit had an injured arm and Edge would go after it. Benoit tried fending off Edge with chops and germans but failed. The King calls Benoit a coward and J.R. gets ticked. Edge goes to the top rope but Benoit chops and head butts edge then superplex him. They both get up but Benoit gets sharpshooter in Edge gets to the ropes. Later a crossface but Edge gets his arm lose. Edge goes for the spear and misses and hits the turnbuckle rollup by Benoit. Edge gets mad over the lost and gets a chair and hits the injured arm. Winner Benoit (Booo)

Nova is in the ring. Promoting his simon system. Maven is the new model of the patented simon system. The Rattle Snake is On Raw. Nova and Austin make a deal if Simon drinks a beer Austin will drink one of simons weight loss shake. Austin makes Nova do push-ups and crap. Later Simon spills his weight loss shake after Maven patted him on the back over Austin. Austin throws Nova out of the ring attacks him, throws him back in spews beer in his face and stuns him. Maven gets a double middle finger and gets stunned also.

Randy Orton vs. the new whc Batista. Um it wasn’t hard to see. In the mean time Orton gets his shoulder injured. HHH comes to the ring nothing happen HHH just makes the title is mine gesture. Winner of course Batista.

At 4/4/05 11:17 PM, Iscrulz wrote: Triple threat match. Y2J vs. Shelton vs. Christian a great match. Shelton and Jericho both gained up on Christian then Christian caught a break when Jericho and Benjamin started to fight each. Lots of close falls in the match. Towards the end Tomko clotheslines Shelton while Jericho eventually gets the walls of Jericho on Christian. Shelton runs to the top rope and bulldogs Jericho. Winner Shelton

Not sure what this match really accomplished, other then another win for Shelton, think he probably should have lost it and then they had him go after the winner, create some interest in him and the belt.

>Edge says no to Bischoff assuming he wants to exercise his title match tonight.

Oh well that was just a fucking duh moment...although I'll give them points for being somewhat logical in the assumption that if a guy like Edge, who has bitching and whining for a shot forever gets one, that he would probably want to exercise it immediately.

>Orton goes on a rant about his shoulder giving way when he was about to tombstone Taker, He is mad at Batista and demanded a match. Bischoff says all right you got it.

Wow, that is sooooo very dumb, even though Orton will be out awhile, why in the name of Jesus Tap Dancing Christ do you put such a money bout onto free TV?

Trish vs. Christy w/ Lita. Trish chick-kicks Christy before the match she gets knocked out. Lita attempts to attack Trish but she goes after Lita knee. No contest

I don't care, I really really don't care about any of this shit. All this is just a hold off until Lita gets back from her injury to fight Trish, but to me, without a Women's Division to send somebody new in after this feud ends, they may as well just retire the fucking belt again.

>A clip of Hogan is shown from Wrestlemania.

At first I was like, "what the hell? Don't give away things I payed for last night" but then I saw it set up the next segment.

>HBK comes to the ring (selling the anglelock, beautiful) and says hey what about a rematch. I say yes at survivor series how long can HBK survive the anglelock. Hassan interrupts and calls the showstopper a loser Hassan gets slapped, but Daivari attacks the injured leg. Followed by downward spiral and a camel clutch with kicks to the head. JR is going frantic “Damn it to hell this isn’t right”.

So Hassan vs. Michaels...yeah, that's the only fucking way Hassan is having a good match any time this decade, Michaels is really going to be tested trying to make this sack of shit look good.

Edge vs. Benoit Well Benoit had an injured arm and Edge would go after it. Benoit tried fending off Edge with chops and germans but failed. The King calls Benoit a coward and J.R. gets ticked. Edge goes to the top rope but Benoit chops and head butts edge then superplex him. They both get up but Benoit gets sharpshooter in Edge gets to the ropes. Later a crossface but Edge gets his arm lose. Edge goes for the spear and misses and hits the turnbuckle rollup by Benoit. Edge gets mad over the lost and gets a chair and hits the injured arm. Winner Benoit (Booo)

Pretty good matchup here, although this RAW already has the feeling of "blah" to me, I'm not sure why, it's just a mixed bag of a show.

Nova is in the ring. Promoting his simon system. Maven is the new model of the patented simon system. The Rattle Snake is On Raw. Nova and Austin make a deal if Simon drinks a beer Austin will drink one of simons weight loss shake. Austin makes Nova do push-ups and crap. Later Simon spills his weight loss shake after Maven patted him on the back over Austin. Austin throws Nova out of the ring attacks him, throws him back in spews beer in his face and stuns him. Maven gets a double middle finger and gets stunned also.

Would have liked this if it was anyone but Nova he was victimizing, every time I see Nova on my TV in this stupid character, I don't know whether to cry, or try and knock myself out so I don't have to see this shit. The fact that this was ECW on ECW crime didn't help my enjoyment of this segment much more either.

Randy Orton vs. the new whc Batista. Um it wasn’t hard to see. In the mean time Orton gets his shoulder injured. HHH comes to the ring nothing happen HHH just makes the title is mine gesture. Winner of course Batista.

WHAT IN FUCK?! The only thing dumber then booking this bout, is booking this bout and letting Batista win clean. I realize Batista should look strong in his first defense, but my god, he and Orton is money down the road, which they are now pissing all over with this. I don't give a damn how long Orton is on the shelf for, they should never have put him into a match with Batista, or when they did, they should have had H run in after Orton's injury. I know this gives them a storyline explanation, but this was just insanely dumb booking from where I sit. Put Orton on SD! or something when he gets back, because the RAW writers (or is it a certain RAW wrestler?) seem determined to kill any momentum he achieves.

At 4/4/05 11:36 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote:
Let me get this straight....HBK is challenging Kurt to a re-match at Survivor Series? WHOA NELLY!

Let me reexplain it. Hbk asks the fans if they would like a rematch, the crowd cheers. I thought if the rematch was really going to happen it would be at a joint ppv. I could have said summerslam but I couldn't use that lame pun. I am going to guess agian and say Angle will decline the offer.

I'll join the crusade to get angel to the top! Whooo

Raw was decent last night with the exception of the main event. felt like it was a waste. The IC match was great and so was the edge/benoit match.

At 4/4/05 07:46 PM, FaceMe wrote: I'll join

FaceMe you are # 123. Welcome to the Club!

Haha! I wish I could help Angle get to the top, but I don't want a mid-carder at the top!
There's about like 10 guys better then him. There's batista, who looks like he could really has potential, there's HHH, Who may not be good be he bring fans is. There's Shawn Michaels, Who defiently puts fans into the seat, same with Cena. One again, JBL has some talent but mostly brings fans into the seat. Undertaker defiently packs them ni, but also one of the greatest wrestlers (favorite match: Inferno Match agains Kane. greatest match). Kane's better, someone who the WWE is pushing. The whole F'N show is better, RVD, A guy who used to headline ECW, no jobs to most guys in the lineup. (Wah) Rey's better, he can do some crazy ass things(not as good as RVD but eh.) I could name a lot more but I'm way too lazy. No one goes to Smackdown and goes "i'm here to watch Kurt Angle" If you do your considered retarded.

P.S. Wrestlemania was better then the last 2 previous ones it's just that most matches were blah. Especially the JBL vs. Cena Match, where there was huge hype and then it blew chunks. Same with HHH vs batista. My favourite part was defiently when Stone Cold came back, who was also on raw yesturday.

At 4/5/05 12:36 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote:

At 4/5/05 12:24 PM, luigigreen wrote: Haha! I wish I could help Angle get to the top, but I don't want a mid-carder at the top!
There's about like 10 guys better then him. There's batista, who looks like he could really has potential, there's HHH, Who may not be good be he bring fans is. There's Shawn Michaels, Who defiently puts fans into the seat, same with Cena. One again, JBL has some talent but mostly brings fans into the seat. Undertaker defiently packs them ni, but also one of the greatest wrestlers (favorite match: Inferno Match agains Kane. greatest match). Kane's better, someone who the WWE is pushing. The whole F'N show is better, RVD, A guy who used to headline ECW, no jobs to most guys in the lineup. (Wah) Rey's better, he can do some crazy ass things(not as good as RVD but eh.) I could name a lot more but I'm way too lazy. No one goes to Smackdown and goes "i'm here to watch Kurt Angle" If you do your considered retarded.

Oh my god, my head almost exploded from the idiocy! Kane? Cena? Since when did these losers get any talent? RVD? He's injured and will never get the push his talent calls for because of hic character. Batista? Triple H? Hard hitters, definitly top of the business. But Kurt Angle has made them both tap (and if you don't remember Reverend D-Von, then you won't recall Batista tapping) Shawn Michaels is a has been despite his ability to still go at it full throtle. He can barely do some of the things that made him famous. And besides, who won the wrestlemania match?

Wait, are you rubbing it in my face that Angle won. Scripted buddy. It's fuckin scripted. I hate both of them, but Shawn Michaels bring both of them in. Kane and Cena bring fans in, Cena more then Kane, Haven't you seen his crappy "Chain gang thing" I do remember revrend d-von and I do remember Batistia tapping. Once again, SCRIPTED. The only reason RVD is not being pushed is because he dosen't want to be champion and because he dosen't play the political game like HHH. He whines and complaines in the back about the state of the company and other shit. HHH is also a heavy hitter, because he has been the champ ten times, which is the same number as your i.q. because he played the political gam fro some many years.

Kurt Angle is an Olmypic Gold Medalist, A king of the Ring, former Tag team, European, Intercontinental, WWE heavyweight, and World Heavyweight Champion. He has headlined wrestlemania after wrestlemania with superior and classic matches, and he's always there to put the next guy over.

Wow You know how to watch Kurt angle's slef promo video, good for you. 1 more thing, you do know that WWE is scripted, so he won because the writers made him win dumbass.

I watch Smackdown to see Kurt Angle. And if it weren't for Kurt Angle, Smackdown! Would have already tanked.

P.S. Wrestlemania was better then the last 2 previous ones it's just that most matches were blah. Especially the JBL vs. Cena Match, where there was huge hype and then it blew chunks. Same with HHH vs batista. My favourite part was defiently when Stone Cold came back, who was also on raw yesturday.

I'm sensing a face fan. Yes, my sensors on right on the mark! FACE FAN AHOY!

O man, next time you call someone a face fan, shut up and learn how to read. Did I ever say they had any skill. I said they brought people into the seats, dumshit. I know most of them have no skill. How the hell am i fan face, you dipshit. I like Stone cold because of his promo skills, he was hilarous at WM 21 and on raw. I hate eddie, I hate ray, I hate a lot of crusier weights. So next time you think your maiking a good point on how Kurt Angle made everyone tap, remember, WRESTLING IS SCRIPTED!

Can I join?

Thank you red. That argument you just had was...weird. I can't put my finger on it but something seemd off. eh whatever.

At 4/5/05 12:36 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Oh my god, my head almost exploded from the idiocy! Kane? Cena? Since when did these losers get any talent? RVD? He's injured and will never get the push his talent calls for because of hic character.

No, he'll never get a push because Vince didn't create him, Vince dosen't control how over or not over he is. All these things SHOULD tell Vince that he should at least make the attempt of giving RVD the ball, and seeing where he can go with it, yet Vince will not because of his ego. RVD's character is fine, that's the character he played in ECW as well, and you know what? Would have been Heavyweight Champ if he hadn't broken his ankle. Oh, and I REALLY don't want to hear the "ECW was minor league" bullshit arguement. ECW drew fans and money until the end, ECW kept the WWF in business, as it pulled out of it's bankruptcy thanks to taking stars ECW made, or got ready for the big time (Steve Austin anyone?) and took ideas whole, or in parts, for themselves. They also helped WCW get to a point it had never been at before when they took the Cruiserweight division, and played with the idea of Hardcore, to help reinforce the very popular nWo angle.

Batista? Triple H? Hard hitters, definitly top of the business. But Kurt Angle has made them both tap (and if you don't remember Reverend D-Von, then you won't recall Batista tapping) Shawn Michaels is a has been despite his ability to still go at it full throtle. He can barely do some of the things that made him famous. And besides, who won the wrestlemania match?

Batista is a star of the future, love his work or not, people are definitely behind him at the moment, so it falls to WWE to keep that going. The H has meant a lot to the company, still can, but he needs to stop allowing himself (see that? I am not maligning the man or saying that the rumors about his political manipulations are true, I'm just observing the problem as it presents itself based on facts I know) to be booked as the most dominant person on the brand, and the perenial champion. He sits in there on booking meetings, his opinions are listened to, he's not another grunt that gets told "this is your storyline, now get to work" he could very easily say "you know Vince, I think it's better if I'm used more sparingly, and if I help get a few more guys ready so that we can elevate them, and elevate the current champ to the level we need him to be at". The fact that he isn't, seems to most definitely cast a negative shadow on him, his lack of respect for the opinions of a segment of the fan base also alienate him. But more over, he's just got "get off my tv" X-Pac like heat right now, that's not heel heat, that's the sort of hate that makes a fan change the channel every time they see him, and that's something I hear out of every fan I talk to anymore. So I think H should put over Batista at Backlash, and then probably take a month off, help out behind the scenes, come back, and maybe align himself with Batista's next opponent, and put whatever rub he can give that individual out there. He did good with Batista and Orton, now he needs to do that again.

Also, Michael's is playing the role of Elder Statesmen these days, making up for his past, he's always having great matches, and trying to elevate new people, to put him down for that is criminal.

Kurt Angle is an Olmypic Gold Medalist, A king of the Ring, former Tag team, European, Intercontinental, WWE heavyweight, and World Heavyweight Champion. He has headlined wrestlemania after wrestlemania with superior and classic matches, and he's always there to put the next guy over.

Yeah, but he's also got a severe neck injury, hence why the company protected him for months before they let him go balls out at Mania. Whether that was justified or not, Angle's Hometown Challenge gimmick is played out, he's talking about staying another three years, but unless they can figure out a way to use him effectively, and keep his neck intake, he needs to start thinking about a lighter schedule, or just stepping away almost completely.

I watch Smackdown to see Kurt Angle. And if it weren't for Kurt Angle, Smackdown! Would have already tanked.

As I mentioned with the Hometown Challenge, and his time as GM, some would argue Kurt Angle has contributed to the problems on SD! these days more then he's helped. Paul Heyman for GM! Who's with me?

P.S. Wrestlemania was better then the last 2 previous ones it's just that most matches were blah. Especially the JBL vs. Cena Match, where there was huge hype and then it blew chunks. Same with HHH vs batista. My favourite part was defiently when Stone Cold came back, who was also on raw yesturday.

The two title switches were a bit lackluster and anti-climactic, but that was partially the booking. Hopefully as they get to work less jakked up cards, they'll be able to have better matches, and grow into their new spots more.

At 4/5/05 01:50 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote:

Outlaw said something was off about Red's arguement, I agree, it's not based in reality, Red's letting his own leanings effect how he perceives things.

First, I'll dismantle your statement. Kane brings people in....BULLSHIT. That guy couldn't goad a fan into watching a match of his over any other former wwe champion. Hell, I'd rather watch the Big Show because at least Big Show has improved his repitoire over the years whilst Kane does the same shit day in and day out. Kane is stuck as a mid-card wreslter because of his LACK of talent, and LACK of the ability to bring anyone in.

No arguement there, Kane's time has totally passed, and at this point, he should be happy he's still getting any sort of meaningful use, on occassion they find some story to do with him, because hey, the guy has a decent amount of acting range, not a lot, but for the stuff they give him, he's fine. But yeah, this guy never was, and never will be main event level talent, he's just somebody you use in that position in an emergency.

Cena on the other hand, Cena can draw people in. But this burst of popularity will end in time, because Cena doesn't have the in-ring talent to keep even the most faithful fans intrested for long.

Well, I won't disagree here with your assesment of Cena's in-ring ability, he isn't horribly good, but neither was Rock, and he got by on exactly what Cena is getting by on, two big moves, and a character and promo style people really like. Although Rock had really good opponents to carry him, Cena is going to have a problem with that, so he probably does need to step it up very fast, or he's going to die on the vine.

RVD will never be champion because he's a liability. He's always getting himself injured with that 'extreme' mind-set. so how can he even get the chance? Would you give the title to a man who is injury-prone? I don't think so.

What the...? Do you not read? Did you not read my RVD bio? The man worked for ECW for let's see...96-00 injury free would be about 3 or 4 years, yes? INJURY FREE! There are guys in the WWE now who can't go two or three months without some sort of injury. RVD has a whole routine designed so he can do the spots he does, and not become seriously injured, but yeah, I'll agree, you can't do that style without paying a price, RVD is paying it right now. But fact of the matter is, RVD worked with the injury he's rehabbing now for 4 FUCKING YEARS NO TIME OFF, AND NO LOSS OF PERFORMANCE! None, his match quality did not go down because of the injury, he was still having excellent matches, if anything, his "extreme" mindset, which he learned in ECW to work through injury and keep going, has given us all more hours of enjoyment. ECW built guys tough, that's a fact, now let me ask you: why do you hate RVD so much that you want to make this kind of groundless stuff up?

Triple H has been World Champion 10 times because he fucking deserves it. Igf you haven't noticed, he's the reason people still buy Raw PPV's. We want to see him get his ass kick so badly that we pay to see it. Besides that, Triple H continues to improve himself, and also he is willing to put guys over. Being able to put guys over in a convincing fashion as he does is an invaluable ability.

I don't buy RAW PPV's SPECIFICALLY because I am sick of Triple H chasing Flair's record, I hate Triple H all over my TV, and I hate that Ric Flair has been made his toadie, I can name at least three other people I know of who would echo my statements, and much of the internet segment of the fan base would say the same, so your statement about H being the only reason people buy RAW shows is, in fact, the opinion of a Triple H mark with nothing to back it up. I want the guy off my TV, and will actually be more inclined to buy RAW brand PPV's, when I know he is no longer in the title picture.

Kurt Angle. There's a reason he got the victory at Wresltmania. When you win a big time match like that, the company is basically saying, "Hey, you're the guy we need to get people to watch us. You're the guy. keep up the good work" Kurt Angle has been carrying Smackdown! Single handidly for over 3 years. Tell me he can't bring people in you moron.

Single-handedly? Oh come on, he's had help, the tag division when it was hot, The Undertaker, Paul E. as GM. Angle has worked hard and long, no doubt, but he isn't the be all end all you're making him out to be.

The point YOU are missing is that there is a REASON he wins. He's got talent, he can talk the mic, he puts people in the seats and he can put guys over. Try to keep up.

No arguements here.

You like Stone Cold........thats it. I can't do it. Arguing with a Stone Cold punk is not worth my time.

There's a reason Austin got over, he brawls sure, but brawling don't mean you suck, he also knows psychology, it's real easy to write Austin off as just a man with a great gimmick, but he was more.

Do me a favor. Learn a bit about the business before coming in here and running your mouth again.

One could say the same to you.

Right so Red agreed with what I said in the first post...which makes me look sort of like an ass in the second. Although I stand by that I think most of what Red said was not really fact based, I do rescend the nastier comments that were made in retort.