Raven- He's a wrestler who has been around for a while, I'm pretty sure he originated from ECW. He had a stint with WCW and WWE and is right now with TNA. Red or Aveiw can give ya better detail.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Widow's peak is a nasty move.

I was not at all impressed with Chris Masters. I hope he didn't break Stevie's nose.

I am really rooting for Batista. You are right, best ending for Raw in a long while.

So sad to see Nova job like that. He can do so much more but his current character doesn't allow him to.

WWE IS STUPID ITS ALL FAKE. UFC IS AWESOME CUZ ITS REAL!!!

At 2/21/05 11:21 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Widow's peak is a nasty move.

Molly sold it very well it looked vicous

I was not at all impressed with Chris Masters. I hope he didn't break Stevie's nose.

Me too, A fucking fullnelson as a finisher No just No.

I am really rooting for Batista. You are right, best ending for Raw in a long while.

Batista the new fan favorite. When he set Hunter up for the powerbomb I was cmon do it through table.

So sad to see Nova job like that. He can do so much more but his current character doesn't allow him to.

At least he had a match, unlike getting punched in the nuts by playboy covergirl.

Okay, I'm seeing all of this talk about RAW, hows about a review? Or I'm guessing Izcrulz is making one. :/

At 2/21/05 11:46 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: stuffs

yeah i think i remember him vaguely cuz i watched from like 99 to early 01.... thanks, man

At 2/21/05 11:53 PM, Master_Inuyasha wrote: Okay, I'm seeing all of this talk about RAW, hows about a review? Or I'm guessing Izcrulz is making one. :/

sorry I never consider them to be reviews more like my thoughts and what nots.
Besides the ending. Shelton had a rematch with snitskky. Shelton was ticked off he had most of the offense. Agian snitsky gets a chair...Shelton nail him in the face and his goatee starts to bleed OMFG Its ALIVE.

Blink and You'd miss Ok, Hbk gave Otron an inspiration speech about taking oppurnities blah blah, he says to bischoff no The playa Dawg I want a match at WM againist Kurt. Thats it. nothing else.

Another E&C unoffical reunion agianst the legend killer and the legend(HBK). I say it was a good match forgot most of it. After the match. That new interview chick asks Shawn you won the match comments please and edge flips out and assaults hbk.

Send Masters to OVW.

Better late then never Cmon and jump on the batista bandwagon if you'ven't

Raven, real name Scott Levy, is a true journeyman wrestler. He got started in the wanning days of the territories (mid to late 80's) and had his first really notable run in WCW under the name Scotty Flamingo (wore a ridicolous jacket and shades and shit, had a decent match with RVD that you can see on the new DVD) where his career highlight (at that time anyway) was winning the WCW Lightheavyweight Championship. Levy left WCW (not sure why, but knowing WCW, probably had something to do with him not being used properly and deciding he'd rather be happy then rich), and resurfaced in the then WWF in 93 as Johnny Polo, basically, a preppy heel manager who wore a stupid hat, and carried a polo stick (I'm sure some of you are familiar with him). His most notable clients were the Quebecors who he managed to 2 or 3 tag title wins. Again, Levy was underappreciated, and moved on.

He would next resurface in Paul Heyman's Extreme Championship wrestling, and his career would be changed forever. Under Heyman, Levy was transformed into Raven, a grungey slacker type who recruited weaker minded misfits such as Stevie Richards (now Steven Richards) Blue Meanie (owner of 3PW), and Supernova (Now Simon Dean), were his most notable. Others included Brian Lee (most famous to most of you I'm sure as Ted Dibiase's "Underfaker" of 94). This group was dubbed "The Nest" and would constantly interfere in Raven's matches and just be his general lackeys and hangers on, this group also was the first appearance of notable ECW manager "The Queen of Extreme" Francine, as Stevie Richards girlfriend, and Beulah Mcguilicuty as Raven's girlfriend. Beulah is mentioned since she helped lead to one of Raven's most notable feuds period, the fight with Tommy Dreamer. As the story went, Dreamer and Raven had been childhood friends, they attended the same summer camp, and were friends with a fat girl named Beulah Mcguilicuty. But now, years later, Raven hated Dreamer, saying that Tommy was always the "pretty boy, popular kid" (which worked well since Dreamer had that rep at the time, and Paul E. wanted to dispell it). The war they waged was a bitter one, as Dreamer would attempt over and over to secure a victory over Raven, but would be foiled by Raven, or his stooges, each and every time.

The tide would however turn one fateful night at the ECW Arena. Joey Styles had Beulah and Stevie out for an interview segment, and Stevie wanted a kiss from Beulah. I will now qoute the interview as best as I can recall it:

Richards: Why won't you kiss me? What, because you're Raven's girl?

Beulah: No you idiot, it's because I'm PREGNANT!

Raven storms the ring, sliding under the bottom rope in a run, gets in Beulahs face, grabs the mic:

Raven: YOU STUPID BITCH!! IT'S REAL EASY TO READ THE LABEL AND TAKE THE PILL!!! HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?!

Beulah: WHAT ARE YOU SO MAD ABOUT?! IT'S NOT EVEN YOURS!!! *lowered voice* ...it's Tommy's

Joey Styles: IT'S TOMMY'S!

Dreamer storms the ring and pummels both Raven and Richards, hugs and kisses Beulah and they depart.

This really changed the dimension of the feud. Tommy had now stolen something from Raven, and the demented genius wasn't happy about it. Not to mention that Dreamer and Beulah became, to my eyes, ECW's "first couple" Beulah was very talented on the mic, not just a pretty face like some of the "divas" of today, and damn, she could fight too, her feud with Bill Alfonso produced perhaps the bloodiest match of all time. Raven tried to get Beulah back, and when he couldn't...he decided to take Beulah out. Beulah legitimately decided to leave ECW to pursue her education, so there needed to be an angle to get her out, but help further the Dreamer/Raven feud...the finish they came up with would be one of the most infamous moments in ECW history.

Just a quick time out to talk about how much Dreamer and Raven's feud meant to ECW. These guys really tore into each other, they brawled all over, and produced moments that would never be forgotten. One was the "Chairshot Heard Around The World" Dreamer had Raven handcuffed to a cage and gave him the most vicious, hard, and unprotected chairshot I have ever seen. It was on ECW's opening video for years afterwards. Not only did they kill each other, but they brought other people into the feud. Mic Foley's biggest contribution to ECW was as a stooge of Raven, railing against hardcore, his addition would help propel Tommy Dreamer to the next level, and Raven as well, Dreamer brought Terry Funk in on his end, and the violence and mayhem just escalated. Now, back to the main story.

Raven payed off The Dudley Boys to do his dirty work. The Dudley's attacked Dreamer, handcuffing him to the ring rope and then forcing him to watch as they gave 3D to the woman he loved. Beulah's neck was "broken" and she retired immediately afterwards. I just recently found out that Tommy and Beulah are now married, I was really happy to hear that since they make a wonderful couple. Dreamer was incensed, but still, he could not beat Raven, he could not avenge this loss. It wouldn't be until Wrestlepalooza 97 and Raven's last match in ECW (he had at this point accepted an offer to go to WCW saying that he felt he was being booked as scenery in ECW, despite having just come off a run as World Champion, and decided if he was going to be a bit player, he may as well get a better paycheck for it), that Dreamer would have his revenge. After fending off all manner of interference, Dreamer positioned Raven for his patented DDT over a road sign, and screaming "EC FUCKING W!" drilled his hated enemy down onto the sign, and finally scored the pinfall victory over Raven, he had sought for two long years. This match appears on The Rise and Fall of ECW, and a DVD was put out of the complete Wrestlepalooza 97 show, still in stores by the way.

Raven's other most notable feud, was with The Hardcore Icon, and mascot of ECW (not to mention the guy Austin ripped a lot of his Stone Cold gimmick off from), The Sandman. Raven hated The Sandman, the story was that Sandman reminded him of his drunk and abusive father, so Raven set out to take The Sandman's life apart. Raven quickly realized that fighting The Sandman wasn't going to get the job done...so Raven struck at The Sandman's most vulnerable point...his family. In an angle which is still controversial, Raven began a relationship with The Sandman's ex-wife, Lori Fullington, and brainwashed the Sandman's 7 year old son Tyler against his father. Raven would bludgeon The Sandman in front of Tyler, and Tyler would berate his father publicly, saying that he loved only Raven, and hated The Sandman because he was a drunk. Raven would use Tyler as a shield in matches, or when confronting The Sandman publicly, knowing that no matter how much he hated Raven, The Sandman would never strike his son. Raven would also dangle the carrot of Tyler wanting to finally reunite with his father in front of The Sandman, and then just as Tyler would be about to embrace his father, he'd sneak in from behind and viciously bludgeon The Sandman. The culmination of the feud, which was already wildly controversial, came with the "Crucifixion" of The Sandman. Raven and his lackers beat The Sandman and then tied him to a make shift cross with barbed wire which they then propped up in the ring. Many fans were offended, and Kurt Angle, who was in attendance doing color commentary with Joey Styles in contemplation of taking a full-time position with the company, was so offended he walked to the back, and told Paul E. he wanted his money, and that he had better not see or hear himself on tv, or on the audio track in connection with the angle, or he would sue Heyman. Raven came out a few minutes later and apologized to those he had offended.

Raven now set his sights on taking away the only thing The Sandman still had left that mattered to him: The ECW World Heavyweight Championship. In a barbed wire matchup, Raven was successful in capturing the title, after having traded it with The Sandman once before. The Sandman would ultimately regain his family, and beat down Raven, and thus Raven left ECW after this title reign. He also held the Tag Titles a time or two with partner and stooge, Stevie Richards

When Raven entered WCW, he was basically playing a slightly more toned down version of his ECW character. He recruitted a larger group of misfits, and dubbed them "The Flock", the only two members of note were former ECW World Tag Champion Perry Saturn, who had also defected due to unhappiness as part of the successful tag team The Eliminators with partner John Kronus (who he reportedly hated since Kronus did not have the same work ethic as Saturn), and Billy Kidman, who went on to Cruiserweight stardom. Raven would fight all of his matches under "Raven's Rules" (which was ECW style, no count out, no DQ, anything goes). He went on to have a feud with DDP, with both men trading the WCW United States Championship back and forth. Raven then went on to feud with Saturn who had left his Flock, and decided to try and win the freedom of the rest of the group. Raven lost, and the group was freed. Some of them disappeared outright, other's just floated around the company in various roles until either being released, or the company folded (Hulk Hogan's nephew Horace was around till the end I think on a per appearance deal). Raven drifted around the company for awhile, hooking up with Kanyon at one point, and I believe holding a tag title with him. He also fought Hardcore Hak (The Sandman in his infamously unsuccessful ECW run) in the beginnings of WCW's Hardcore division. Though the feud was dropped when a porno tape surfaced involving Hak's manager Chastity, and she was fired, and Bam Bam Bigelow was selected to lead the division. They then made the really bad decision of turning Raven face by exposing that the slacker gimmick was just to piss off his uptight rich mother and the rest of his family. Didn't really last long. Then he hooked up with Page and Bigelow as part of the Jersey Triad, and held a tag title with Page I believe, but was jumped out of the group to install Kanyon. His last WCW appearances were doing a sort of goth gimmick with Vampiro and the ICP as part of the "Deadpool" faction. Eric Bischoff at this point then held a secret meeting with all the wrestlers and said that anyone who wanted a release just needed to say so and walk out the door. Raven took him up on the offer.

The Dudley Boys were leaving ECW for the WWE in 1999, on their last appearance on ECW on TNN, they challenged Tag Champs Balls Mahoney and Little Spike Dudley to one last title match. The Dudley's won the match, and were now 8 time ECW tag champions. This was a nightmare since the Dudleys could not walk out of the company with the belts, and made clear that that was they're intention. That they would now leave with the belts, and place them on Vince McMahon's desk. They called out anyone in the company to try and take the belts back, and Tommy Dreamer answered the call. Paul Heyman then made a rare public appearance pleading with Dreamer not to go through with it due to the fact he was working with two herniated discs in his back, and if he fought The Dudleys alone, they would destroy him. The Dudley's goaded Dreamer and played on his sense of loyalty talking about how they would disgrace the belts, while Paul E told Tommy "I don't care! I don't care! Just please don't do this!" But Dreamer's loyalty won out. He hit the ring and attacked the Dudleys, Dreamer was quickly knocked out and in a surprise move no one saw coming, Raven snuck in the back door and took out D-Von, Evenflow DDT'ed Bubba, and covered him, making Tommy and Raven new tag team champions. When Dreamer came too, it was a nightmare visual, Raven had returned, and as he handed Tommy his half of the tag titles, Dreamer sank to his knees...Tommy Dreamer had won his first title...but had to share it, with his most hated enemy.

Raven did a series of vignettes in which he talked about how this was part of a master plan to destroy Dreamer, that Dreamer would have to share the titles with Raven, and Raven would not allow Dreamer to lose them. Tommy did a series of vignettes also, doing the only thing he could in that situation...pleading with Raven to let the past go, and to become a true partner to Dreamer "Do the right thing Raven, do the right thing" became Dreamer's mantra. Slowly but surely, Raven began to trust Dreamer, and they became a pretty good tag team, Raven was "doing the right thing", then at the beginning of November...another man made his shocking return. The Sandman had come home to ECW, and he hadn't forgotten a damn thing Raven had done to him, and Raven hadn't forgotten about The Sandman. Dreamer was friends with The Sandman, and now had a friendship with Raven, he was caught in the middle, and trying to mend fences. It wouldn't work, The Sandman beat Raven up after the November to Remember PPV six man match that all three men were involved in. Raven's fragile psyche was in turmoil as he was seen on ECW's weekly TV show on TNN muttering "I did the right thing Tommy! Why'd you let the drunk beat me?" over and over...then abruptly changing his words, to what was REALLY torturing him, and had tortured him for so many years: "I did the right thing mommy! Why'd you let the drunk beat me?" Raven and Dreamer lost the tag titles shortly thereafter to the Impact Players, Lance Storm and Justin Credible. Won them back, then lost them again. Raven then turned on Dreamer and took Francine with him. Raven then began teaming with Mike Awesome, with "The Sinister Minister" Jim Mitchell hovering around and trying to recruit Raven. It never really panned out as Raven had only signed a one year deal with ECW, and because of personal problems he was having with alcohol at the time, was not putting forth his best effort, and was using the company as a stepping stone to rehabbing, and going to WWE. It was a sore spot between Raven and Paul Heyman until they both came to work for Vince, and reportedly had everything out, and came to an understanding (basically, Raven apologized for his behavior, and for using the man who had given him so much).

Raven's time in WWE was pretty uneventful. Like in WCW, management just didn't know what to do with the character. He won a tag championship with Tazz (my god, I could go on for so long about how they wasted a golden oppurtunity with that duo), and was primarily working as a Hardcore champion or contender for the belt (he is near the top of my all time best hardcore champions list). There was an angle in which he had a woman dressed as a ninja helping him win matches, but after it was revealed that Tori was the ninja, the angle was abruptly dropped, and Raven changed his look with no explanation. He bounced around as a job guy pretty much, gaining one last Hardcore title reign to bring the belt to RAW just after the brand extension, and then promptly lost it only four days after winning it to Bubba Ray Dudley. From there, Raven wasn't used much. He would have one last match with Tommy Dreamer, in a "loser leaves RAW match", Raven lost, and was then relegated to Heat. Raven claimed this wasn't neccessarily a bad thing, because he would make Heat his "personal playground" but nothing ever came of it (according to Raven, he had pitched an angle to Vince, Vince had liked it, and told Raven they would pull the trigger on it and do it. But that because Raven did not get along with Lead RAW Writer Brian Gerwitz, the angle was never done, even though it had Vince's approval). Raven worked on Heat for a a couple more months, and then received his release.

He floated on the indies for awhile (making good money as he is a favorite of the net, and the indy fans), until NWA: TNA opened and Raven got a deal there. Now would be the point that a TNA fan should pick up because I really don't watch TNA, I only know that he shaved his head or something (WTF?!) and received a shot or two at Jarrett's title.

This by the way, is not swiped from any site, I sat here for about two hours racking my brain and typing all this up myself, so hopefully a few of you will take the time to read it, since I worked so hard on it.

At 2/22/05 04:04 AM, The_Redangleprince wrote: In fact, I think they're STILL feuding.

Maybe but probably not. I never knew what happened to Sabu just by watching tna., but he hasnt been on impacted for while. aview should know why elohel more pressure.

By the way....DDP is going up against Jarret for the title soon. I just found this out so it may be old news already.

No, not that old. I am surpised someone mentioned tna I thought about doing an Impact review but it would go unappericated/ignored. And Jarret is going to win agian for the millionth time. Seriously whats his goal to have the longest title regin EVAR!!!!!

I had to read aview's raven story.

At 2/22/05 04:50 AM, The_Redangleprince wrote:

For the record, I would appreciate a review seeing as how I can;t get TNA anymore >_<

Ok either I will do one on friday afternoon or somtimes I like to save it for saturday night(to fill the void of having to watch SD at midnight to see it.

damn, aveiw really is the prof around here. He kicks my ass in that area any day. They should make a Raven DVD to highlight his career. Surprisingly enough I knew most of that, with the exception of a lot of his WCW stuff. I just could not stand to watch WCW. I knew of some of it though, like the Flock, but other than that.. I had always thought they should have had a Raven stable in WWE when he was there.

major props to aview. that was crazy, bro.

i know WWE storylines are actually storylines, but did the same go for ECW? it sounds like they had a lot more freedom, both in the ring and out.

and it sounds like half of TNA is old wrestlers with no place else to go haha

At 2/22/05 12:05 PM, MrCarmine wrote: and it sounds like half of TNA is old wrestlers with no place else to go haha

That is somewhat true. Tna has got some of the most washed up wrestlers around, but all their young talent is really good. A.J styles is great.

At 2/22/05 12:34 PM, Dark0 wrote:
That is somewhat true. Tna has got some of the most washed up :wrestlers around, but all their young talent is really good. A.J styles is :great.

figures...

also, i don't think anyone else said it so far and i'll feel retarded (again) if someone has, but beulah mcgillicutty (mcgillislutty?) is in the WWE now as dawn marie and i think she had the name dawn marie in ECW, too, before she left. and i think she was tammy lynn bytch in ECW, too.

At 2/22/05 03:20 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: This by the way, is not swiped from any site, I sat here for about two hours racking my brain and typing all this up myself, so hopefully a few of you will take the time to read it, since I worked so hard on it.

And props to you my friend. That was awesome. I really enjoyed the ecw days and just talking about some of the people was great. Justin credible, Mike awesome... I haven't thought about those people in ages.

Great work Avie.

At 2/22/05 12:55 PM, MrCarmine wrote: also, i don't think anyone else said it so far and i'll feel retarded (again) if someone has, but beulah mcgillicutty (mcgillislutty?) is in the WWE now as dawn marie and i think she had the name dawn marie in ECW, too, before she left. and i think she was tammy lynn bytch in ECW, too.

No, Beulah is a different person then Dawn. When Beulah had her neck "broken" that was it, she has not appeared in wrestling since. She called into Byte This during the ECW edition after the DVD had come out, and that's where we found out she and Tommy Dreamer had gotten married. Dawn made her start in ECW as Tammy Lynn Bytch, B-Y-T-C-H, as part of a feud the now heel Lance Storm was in with former partner Chris Candido because Storm made an unsuccessful play for Candido's fiancee Tammy Lynn Sytch. So no, they are two different people.

Sabu has been out due to his mounting injuries and a financial crisis in which he has had issues paying his medical bills. There have been a few shows designed to help raise money for Sabu so he can pay his bills, and perhaps get back to work.

The ECW style was very loose. Paul Heyman would give guys a basic outline of where he wanted a match or storyline to go, and then he would let the guys basically ad-libbed the promo, and call their own spots in the matches. It was not like WWE where everybody is basically scripted as to what to do, Paul E. trusted his guys. That's one of the reasons why a lot of guys preferred working for Paul, then working for Vince.

Thanks for all the praise, I'm a big mark for ECW, and for Raven, so I wanted to do both things justice with that write up. Think I covered everybody's questions right? I typed part of this before I went to school, and the rest when I got home

Can i join???

Man, you guys SUCK! There really isn't one soul in this club that can make the RAW review? Are you all really THIS lazy? I mean, crap!

Aview, AMAZING report on Raven. No... That was a fucking bio of the man. Really spot-on, but there was only ONE little mistake with it. Tommy Dreamer couldn't beat Raven for 3 years, not 2. At least that's what Tommy said in the ECW DVD. And, quite frankly, that's all. Everything else was right on the money. You're going to work for the business one day, man.

TNA actually has some of the best damn wrestling I've seen in a LONG time. That Ironman match AJ Styles and Chris Daniels had was the best damn thing I've seen in a while. And Jeff Hardy isn't sucking anymore. Right now, TNA has the best wrestling, but until they can get national like WWE (Jarrett, if you're reading this for some MIRACLE, USA Network), they will never challenge, nay, bring down WWE.

Those are my 2 cents. I'm gonna go play with my made-up fed in Smackdown vs. RAW. Later.

At 2/23/05 01:08 AM, Kraidle wrote: Aview, AMAZING report on Raven. No... That was a fucking bio of the man. Really spot-on, but there was only ONE little mistake with it. Tommy Dreamer couldn't beat Raven for 3 years, not 2. At least that's what Tommy said in the ECW DVD. And, quite frankly, that's all. Everything else was right on the money. You're going to work for the business one day, man.

Thanks for the praise, 3 years huh? Hmmm, don't know where I got 2 from then. I thought that match had the worst commentary though because Coach wanted to do schtick, and Dreamer was kind of forced to go along.

At 2/22/05 05:43 PM, stunt296 wrote: Can i join???

yes you can. When I get home I'll give you a number.

I have been missing TNA. I should really start watching it again.

stunt296 you are # 119. Good to have you.

aview, you are the man. i got my info from this german website -- www.cagematch.de... i guess they're wrong? a lot of their shit is reliable, though. if you can figure how to get where (i took german for three years lol)

and did i ever get a number? lol

# 120. you have one now :)

At 2/23/05 03:09 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Then I won't be eighty whatever :D

*gasp* Why are you talking about? Then we'd have to do that in the AAH, the FFC, and all the other clubs that are active. It just wouldn't be fair. Just deal with the fact that 20 or so n00bs have a lower number than yours. >:P

Damn, why do yopu guys have to post so much. I spent hours catching up on all of this stuff man. Im tired, and its only 10 pm.
I just saw raw today. Dam, was i happy when Batista nailed HHH and bombed him through the table.
Great bio on Raven there aview. Yo make it sound as if those storylines were actually no scripted. was that stuff aout Raven and dreamer in the summer camp thing true, or are you just really good at describing things. Anyway, that kept me reading, well done.
I think an mpact review would be cool, since i dont get to see TNA. I look forward to one.

I thought Simon Dean looked Familuar. He is that super Nova guy. I knew something was up with him, and I would have never knew intill I read avie's thing.

Thats creepy.

At 2/23/05 03:09 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote:

Hey Outlaw, just a suggestion, but how about obliterating those who don't post here anymore or never did in the first place? Do what the anime club and remove those who don't post after 2 months.

While the thought is tempting I really don't think i'm going to do that. For one thing there is always the chance on them coming back. Take Rhino here, he hasn't been here in a while and now he's back again. The other reason is I just made it to keep a record for the club. Just to see who's been here and stuff. I might change my mind later down the road, but as of right now I like the way it stands.

your actually # 73 :)

At 2/23/05 05:11 PM, -Rhino- wrote: Great bio on Raven there aview. Yo make it sound as if those storylines were actually no scripted. was that stuff aout Raven and dreamer in the summer camp thing true, or are you just really good at describing things. Anyway, that kept me reading, well done.

That's just me describing things, all of that stuff was a work, but a damn good one, and just further proof that Vince is leaving tons of money on the table by not letting Paul E. handle the book in WWE. I tried to pattern the ECW portions of the review after the way I've heard Joey Styles or Paul Heyman narrate the feuds Raven had in ECW, so I don't think I quite deserve all the credit if those were you're favorite parts, glad I could enlighten you, I'm a huge ECW mark and love to spread the Gospel of The Extreme to anyone who will listen. ECW can never die as long as fans like myself keep it alive in our hearts and minds and spread the legend.

Dark0: I thought Simon Dean looked Familuar. He is that super Nova guy. I knew something was up with him, and I would have never knew intill I read avie's thing.

Really? Yeah, I guess he has changed quite a bit, plus, his offense is pitiful and non-existent in WWE.

Thats creepy.

It's sad is more like it, to abuse someone with that kind of talent, when they could be a huge Cruiserweight star if they were just sent to Smackdown and allowed to play something close to their original gimmick is just appalling to me.