At 8/14/10 10:51 AM, CheppZanoff wrote: Okay I return from my weeks of playing BlazBlue: Continuum Shift

I've been completely addicted to it for the past month. It makes me really want to try out the Guilty Gear games, hopefully they'll release one on the PS3 in the near future.

Also, I really need to invest in a fight stick.

At 8/14/10 01:06 PM, Kisuke wrote: God damn, after five times of trying to kill him the normal way I said 'Fuck this' and used my White Bow +1 on him. Took an ass ton of arrows to down that guy.

I fought him mano e mano with my barbarian, with a fucking Keel Smasher

Also I was actually playing just a few minutes ago and Maneater fucking cheated right before I killed him to win.

Anyway, I've been watching Ergo Proxy a bit, it's alright so far, the scenes with the 'Proxy's' are really intense and cool.

At 8/14/10 10:40 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: Light was a massmurdering tyrant. I'm pretty sure crime was low in the third reich, too.

Light started Chaotic Good for like 2 episodes then went to Lawful Evil. Because he killed people who got in his way, who were innocent. As soon as he killed Ray Penbar, fucking Lawful Evil.

At 8/14/10 04:33 AM, brian321 wrote: how many times r we going to have this conversation i thank Light did the right thing

how anybody could possibly believe this is beyond me. He played god, which is already bad, and he murdered countless people, because he decided they deserved it, which, as a human being, is not his place. So I guess no fellow human can be rehabilitated or redeem themselves ever no matter what, right? They should just die. Plus, we don't even know how many of those people were actually innocent and wrongfully accused. Oh yeah, and there's the people we KNOW were innocent he killed in order to protect himself. If he really stuck to his principles, he would have written his own name in the book. He's a hypocritical, egotistical, mass-murder.

At 8/14/10 10:32 PM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: Because he killed people who got in his way, who were innocent. As soon as he killed Ray Penbar, fucking Lawful Evil.

bottom line right there. I can't even bring myself to view this as a matter of opinion. Some can argue vigilantism isn't always bad, but this isn't one of those cases. Light was wrong, bad, evil, etc. the end.

At 8/14/10 06:35 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: Anyway, I've been watching Ergo Proxy a bit, it's alright so far, the scenes with the 'Proxy's' are really intense and cool.

Yeah, I've watched the first two episodes so far. Seems okay. Love paranoid android at the end :3

Ergo Proxy is very cool. I gotta restart that and finish it this time.

At 8/15/10 08:14 PM, LaForge wrote: Like someone above me said, he started out good, but his power corrupted him.

I wouldn't really say he was ever good. A lot of the people that he was killing were already in jail or did crimes unworthy of death. I personally don't believe in the death penalty, so it's hard for me to side with someone who uses death as a punishment.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective, I'm sure there are some people that will argue that L was the evil one and not Light.

While I agree that L was perhaps as bad as light and shouldn't really be considered good for the reasons posted about torturing etc, it's worth pointing out that while light's first victim was someone who did something that could potentially end in them dying anyway (if shot by swat during siege, it's hard to imagine a society that would commit him to death if he didn't kill any of the hostages), the second murder was simply of some-one who was groping a girl if I remember correctly..... what? Sexual harassment should be a matter of months in prison, not death.

So it's debatable he ever was a chaotic good. He was always commiting evil deeds right from the off so yeah. Just because they're slightly less evil (or more specifically, they're just as evil as murders of innocents, but they're done to evil characters) doesn't mean that's its OK for a chaotic good to do them.

that said i'm not the most hot guy on the definitions of chaotic/netural/lawful etc goods and stuff so don't playa hate if i said something retarded just now

What do i have to do to Join? Sorry, i just bumped in into page 2005th.

At 8/16/10 07:26 PM, Sindread wrote: What do i have to do to Join? Sorry, i just bumped in into page 2005th.

You never really have to ask to join

Just post whenever

Light may have good intentions, what with killing criminals that really deserved to die for their crimes, but at the point where he started killing FBI and police detectives is where the power went to his head, and no one could do a thing until Light started to slip up and got caught by Matsuda. As for L, he wasn't much better, considering he did exploit Misa to a higher degree than what Light did to her, and he stood around the sidelines eating candy while everyone else was in the proverbial crossfire of Kira.

You really have to feel sorry for Misa, considering she was obiviously exploited and tortured by both sides to their benefit. Even though she had a Death Note, she wasn't as hellbent for justice like Light or even L was, she had her reasons.

It didn't matter if he killed more criminals than Texas, the power corrupts even the most noble of intentions.

At 8/16/10 10:56 PM, orangebomb wrote: Light may have good intentions, what with killing criminals that really deserved to die for their crimes, but at the point where he started killing FBI and police detectives...

No. No. No.

The people he killed were already in jail. They were already being punished for their crimes, and being rehabilitted to society. Believe it or not, it works. He didn't just kill people on death row, he killed criminals, period. While the show does say the crime rate drops, I would say it relaly wouldn't, except maybe out of fear, and instead of a society where you have to fear crime, you llive in a society where you live in fear of a supernatural avenger that can kill you when and whereever he wants.

Following on from wang's post, let's say in Light's dystopia someone doesn't like you. All they have to do is frame you for any kind of semi-serious crime, make sure people hear about it, and boom, you're dead. No chance to explain yourself, no fair trial, just death as soon as Kira hears about it. That's not the perfect society, that's shit.
So yeah there was never any merit in Light's indiscriminate killings. Or even his discriminate ones.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know how long it typically takes in Japan for a feature-length cinema release to get a DVD release?

Fuck you haruhi

At 8/16/10 04:52 PM, Cootie wrote: he tortured Misa until the point that she tried to kill herself and he still wouldn't let her go.

Yeah, but Misa kind of had it coming...

Seriously, I think we all secretly wanted to see her get tortured. She wasn't annyoing in the manga, but she drove me insane in the anime.

At 8/16/10 11:23 PM, Mendou wrote: Geeze, this is like the 2nd/3rd time we've discussed Death Note and Light in not even the last 2 months, 'sup with that?

It's not really as good of an anime that most people put it out to be, but it's really interesting to talk about. I guess it can simply be a way for us to express our political beliefs without the typical slandering that comes with these types of discussions.

At 8/16/10 11:23 PM, Mendou wrote: Geeze, this is like the 2nd/3rd time we've discussed Death Note and Light in not even the last 2 months, 'sup with that?

There's nothing to talk about around here.
The anime industry is in ruins, so all we ever do is reminisce about how it used to be and discuss whatever shit we're catching up on.
Speaking of which, I have to finish Haruhi and Mermaid Melody.

At 8/16/10 10:56 PM, orangebomb wrote: deserved to die

How do you decide who deserves to die?

I just watched the first arc of Heroman, and it's awesome~~~

At 8/17/10 09:42 AM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: The anime industry is in ruins,

You know I keep saying people saying this, but they never have any evidence or figures. Probably because it's a bunch of bullshit.

At 8/17/10 01:09 PM, SomaGuye wrote: You know I keep seeing people saying this, but they never have any evidence or figures. Probably because it's a bunch of bullshit.

Yes that makes much more sense grammatically.

At 8/17/10 01:09 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 8/17/10 09:42 AM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: The anime industry is in ruins,

You know I keep saying people saying this, but they never have any evidence or figures. Probably because it's a bunch of bullshit.

It's probably because of the amount of Moe~ series today.

At 8/17/10 01:13 PM, Maverick-Alex wrote: It's probably because of the amount of Moe~ series today.

Name 5.

At 8/17/10 01:37 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Name 5.

Now, I wouldn't know, I am just saying this is what the people complain about.

I watched Paprika recently

It was really interesting and visually it's like nothing I'd ever seen before.

At 8/17/10 01:59 PM, Maverick-Alex wrote:

At 8/17/10 01:37 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Name 5.

Now, I wouldn't know, I am just saying this is what the people complain about.

Fair enough, although I'd like to see someone who feels strongly about this try and name 5.

At 8/17/10 02:14 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: I watched Paprika recently

It was really interesting and visually it's like nothing I'd ever seen before.

So they didn't ban it after the release of Inception?

At 8/17/10 01:37 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 8/17/10 01:13 PM, Maverick-Alex wrote: It's probably because of the amount of Moe~ series today.

Name 5.

K-on!, Kanon, Card Captor Sakura, Spice and Wolf, Strike Witches etc. etc.

Sure, many of those are a bit obscure, but Moe is very prominent. And even outside these Moe series, a lot of shows have the obligatory Moe characters.

At 8/17/10 04:02 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 8/17/10 01:37 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 8/17/10 01:13 PM, Maverick-Alex wrote: It's probably because of the amount of Moe~ series today.

Name 5.

K-on!, Kanon, Card Captor Sakura, Spice and Wolf, Strike Witches etc. etc.

Sure, many of those are a bit obscure, but Moe is very prominent. And even outside these Moe series, a lot of shows have the obligatory Moe characters.

Out of those only K-ON and Strike Witches are moe. Even then the only other recent anime that could be called moe is Lucky Star, so 3 popular series in the last 5 years apparently means the industry is ruined.

At 8/17/10 05:14 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Out of those only K-ON and Strike Witches are moe. Even then the only other recent anime that could be called moe is Lucky Star, so 3 popular series in the last 5 years apparently means the industry is ruined.

I've seen the other three called moe series as well, at least they are sold highly on the moe premise. Or do you really think peoople watch Spice and Wolf for the economics and Strike Witches for the WWII military history?

Also, it's not just shows that are Moe based, there are also the obligatory Moe elements in every series, the obligatory little girl with the cute antics and verbal tick.

But in other news, Durarara is awesome. Best series of 2010 unles something more awesome pops up.

At 8/17/10 02:14 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: I watched Paprika recently

It was really interesting and visually it's like nothing I'd ever seen before.

love that movie, and everything by Satoshi Kon. I just have to see Millenium Actress.

At 8/17/10 03:53 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: So they didn't ban it after the release of Inception?

what? Why would it be banned?

At 8/17/10 07:10 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 8/17/10 03:53 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: So they didn't ban it after the release of Inception?

what? Why would it be banned?

like clearly leonardo di caprio went into satashi kon's dreams and planted the idea to make a movie about that shit or something.

cos they're like pretty fucking similar when it boils down to it.

A LOT OF DREAMS AND COOL SFX.... WHO KNOWS IF IT'S REAL OR NOT?